but it was a bad throw by Eli. Watch it again...it was way out in front of him and he extended but it was off his fingertips. Catchable but a tough catch...but the throw was off the mark to be sure.
Looked the like the ball was right in his lap.
I'd suggest you watch it again (if possible) and see if you still believe that.
Again, I was at the game and only saw it live and a replay - so if you have a video of it- Ill love to see it.
I watched it a couple of times and while it was out in front of him I'd say it was a catch he has to make and was a catchable ball. By far not Eli's worst pass of the day and I think Sheppard was hearing footsteps.
both Shepard and Engram where they dont appear to have soft hands. Sometimes the ball just bounces right off their hands, like this one with Shepard. Whereas Barkley and Beckham seem to absorb the ball with their hands when they make the catch (even when Beckham drops passes its more due to taking his eye off the ball and not necessarily his hands).
Either way, Shepard needs to catch that.
You can get in to troubled debating how far his arms
were extended, but the ball was basically where they teach a QB to throw to a receiver from day 1. He was leading him, he was in stride, and both hands touched the ball. That was on Sheppard. Its tough to get on him though because he makes a lot of difficult plays and he has laid his body out there and taken the tough shots. With that one being pretty damn important and arguably extending that drive we need someone to blame.....
put Eli in a no-win situation constantly. If he hits Shep in the hip, you'd bitch that he wasn't hit in stride. When he hits him in stride, the pass is too far out in front.
We have a thread titles "Eli excuses", but the opposite happens here a lot more than the other way around.
This. Shep needs to catch that ball, even if he falls to the ground. The ball hit both hands.
I wasnt even thinking it was going to be debated that it was anything less than a drop. I know he should have caught it. But my question was more would he have made the first or scored?
That looks like a good pass to me as Shep is moving left to right in the pic. Looks to me that it will hit him square in the hands a millisecond later.
he dropped it. Attempts to make everything Eli's fault is maddening. It was a drop. Was it a "perfect" throw? Who cares? It was a good throw. The ball hit Shepard in stride, he reached it, it hit his hands, he dropped it.
in the league make bad throws every game. Brees, Brady, Rodgers etc at times does not throw the perfect pass. Watch all the games yesterday where you will see WRs make great catches and help their QB. Our TE had three drops on his own. Please stop this bashing of our QB.
Yes, as I said above it's a catch he should make....but it was also an errant throw...both things can be true.
If you define an "errant throw" as any throw that is not perfectly placed, then yes it was an errant throw. If you define an errant throw as a ball that is very difficult if not impossible to catch, then no it wasn't. An NFL receiver should not need the ball placed perfectly in order to catch it.
That is a fairly routine catch for most NFL receivers. Shepard should have caught it.
but yesterday he was throwing the ball well. Did he miss OBJ in the end zone twice? Sure, but so do other QBs. Eli played well enough for us to win yesterday.
He gets paid to make those catches but Eli gets paid more to make those throws. Eli was behind, wide, low, high on many passes all day yesterday. This pass was 5-7 yards. If Eli puts it in closer to Shep's body he is able to run and and potentially make some moves to get passed a defender.
#2 It did not hit in the palms of his hands. The ball was heading downward, at the middle to the end of the fingertips. His arms were fully extended, the ball being slippery, slipped out.
#3 The rain also affected Eli's accuracy, cuz its not dry, but slippery. If you look at the full play, this was a very routine throw. The rain affects everything.
#2 It did not hit in the palms of his hands. The ball was heading downward, at the middle to the end of the fingertips. His arms were fully extended, the ball being slippery, slipped out.
#3 The rain also affected Eli's accuracy, cuz its not dry, but slippery. If you look at the full play, this was a very routine throw. The rain affects everything.
Only if Davis Webb threw it, right?
A clear example of the issues many people have with confirmation bias
and hyperbole. Fans of one side see it and remember it their way. Fans of the other side see and remember the opposite. While the truth is often somewhere in the middle. When the actual play is posted for all to see what really happened, the thread dies because everybody realizes that they were wrong in some way. In this case, it could have been a more accurate pass but it is possible that it could have been caught anyway.
I know it will never happen, but it'd be nice if people would use things like this to realize that most situations are nuanced not binary and our memories can be unreliable. People should be open to opposing viewpoints which often help us learn and grow by seeing things in a new light. A healthy back and forth of ideas is so much more interesting then childish name calling without verifying the facts.
The ball actually hit both of his palms with his hands not even extended out that far!!
Objectivity would be welcome here...
So, the pass was right on the money? I think there's plenty of objectivity here. He could have made a really tough catch, but it was hardly a great pass in my eyes.
He made some mistakes and I think the INT is absolutely on him....but are we really getting on him for this throw?? Was it perfect? No, but it was plenty damn good and catchable. It hit both of his hands, he didn't have to dive for it, he just had to extend his arms. That ball has to be caught and shouldn't even be remotely on Eli.
but it was a bad throw by Eli. Watch it again...it was way out in front of him and he extended but it was off his fingertips. Catchable but a tough catch...but the throw was off the mark to be sure.
Dear god. Bad throw? Bad??? The lengths some people will go to insult Eli is astounding.
This is the NFL. If you can get two hands on the ball and
1) The sideline isn't a factor
2) The ground isn't a factor
3) You aren't getting hit
4) The ball isn't behind your stride
You should fucking catch the ball.
A QBs job is to give you the opportunity to get two hands on the ball while limiting the affect of the above factors. A QB has to do so much. Insulting a QB when none of the 4 things listed above are issues is lunacy.
hilarious.
The lengths some of you will go to either blame someone or excuse someone is astonishing.
That ball should be caught by an NFL receiver.
The slant to OBJ in the end zone was an overthrow.
Yes,Eli was under pressure but he should have made that pass just like Shep should have caught the one in this discussion.
The long pass to OBJ that was incomplete is iffy. That one might have been perfect had he not been impeded.
That one is hard to tell because it's hard to tell how much he was slowed by the contact.
The throw was off but youd like to see Shep make that catch especially for him to be mentioned as a good player as much as he is. Good players make that play
hilarious.
The lengths some of you will go to either blame someone or excuse someone is astonishing.
That ball should be caught by an NFL receiver.
The slant to OBJ in the end zone was an overthrow.
Yes,Eli was under pressure but he should have made that pass just like Shep should have caught the one in this discussion.
The long pass to OBJ that was incomplete is iffy. That one might have been perfect had he not been impeded.
That one is hard to tell because it's hard to tell how much he was slowed by the contact.
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but it was a bad throw by Eli. Watch it again...it was way out in front of him and he extended but it was off his fingertips. Catchable but a tough catch...but the throw was off the mark to be sure.
Looked the like the ball was right in his lap.
I'd suggest you watch it again (if possible) and see if you still believe that.
Again, I was at the game and only saw it live and a replay - so if you have a video of it- Ill love to see it.
I watched it a couple of times and while it was out in front of him I'd say it was a catch he has to make and was a catchable ball. By far not Eli's worst pass of the day and I think Sheppard was hearing footsteps.
You think that image shows it's Eli's fault? His arms are extended, but that's a catch a starting WR needs to make 99 out of 100 times.
Top receivers need to catch those critical passes.
2. It is a little in front of him, which I agree.
But come on now, that is an easy catch.
Is the ball hitting his palm?? Yep...
LOL...it's not. But can you at least admit you were full of shit when you said his arms weren't even extended?
He actually has pretty good form for reaching for the pass.
Make the catch and get YAC.....................
Yes, as I said above it's a catch he should make....but it was also an errant throw...both things can be true.
Either way, Shepard needs to catch that.
We have a thread titles "Eli excuses", but the opposite happens here a lot more than the other way around.
This. Shep needs to catch that ball, even if he falls to the ground. The ball hit both hands.
Kinda speaks to the standards some hold Eli to.
That looks like a good pass to me as Shep is moving left to right in the pic. Looks to me that it will hit him square in the hands a millisecond later.
That pass looks good to me. Looks about one millisecond away from hitting Shep in the hands.
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I bet he says he shouldve made that catch.
Yes, as I said above it's a catch he should make....but it was also an errant throw...both things can be true.
If you define an "errant throw" as any throw that is not perfectly placed, then yes it was an errant throw. If you define an errant throw as a ball that is very difficult if not impossible to catch, then no it wasn't. An NFL receiver should not need the ball placed perfectly in order to catch it.
That is a fairly routine catch for most NFL receivers. Shepard should have caught it.
Save that one for the TD pass he overthrow to OBJ....
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#2 It did not hit in the palms of his hands. The ball was heading downward, at the middle to the end of the fingertips. His arms were fully extended, the ball being slippery, slipped out.
#3 The rain also affected Eli's accuracy, cuz its not dry, but slippery. If you look at the full play, this was a very routine throw. The rain affects everything.
#2 It did not hit in the palms of his hands. The ball was heading downward, at the middle to the end of the fingertips. His arms were fully extended, the ball being slippery, slipped out.
#3 The rain also affected Eli's accuracy, cuz its not dry, but slippery. If you look at the full play, this was a very routine throw. The rain affects everything.
Only if Davis Webb threw it, right?
I know it will never happen, but it'd be nice if people would use things like this to realize that most situations are nuanced not binary and our memories can be unreliable. People should be open to opposing viewpoints which often help us learn and grow by seeing things in a new light. A healthy back and forth of ideas is so much more interesting then childish name calling without verifying the facts.
The ball actually hit both of his palms with his hands not even extended out that far!!
Objectivity would be welcome here...
So, the pass was right on the money? I think there's plenty of objectivity here. He could have made a really tough catch, but it was hardly a great pass in my eyes.
Dear god. Bad throw? Bad??? The lengths some people will go to insult Eli is astounding.
This is the NFL. If you can get two hands on the ball and
1) The sideline isn't a factor
2) The ground isn't a factor
3) You aren't getting hit
4) The ball isn't behind your stride
You should fucking catch the ball.
A QBs job is to give you the opportunity to get two hands on the ball while limiting the affect of the above factors. A QB has to do so much. Insulting a QB when none of the 4 things listed above are issues is lunacy.
The lengths some of you will go to either blame someone or excuse someone is astonishing.
That ball should be caught by an NFL receiver.
The slant to OBJ in the end zone was an overthrow.
Yes,Eli was under pressure but he should have made that pass just like Shep should have caught the one in this discussion.
The long pass to OBJ that was incomplete is iffy. That one might have been perfect had he not been impeded.
That one is hard to tell because it's hard to tell how much he was slowed by the contact.
The ball to Shepard has to be caught. Jesus its not like he had to slide jump or reach back.
^^^This
The lengths some of you will go to either blame someone or excuse someone is astonishing.
That ball should be caught by an NFL receiver.
The slant to OBJ in the end zone was an overthrow.
Yes,Eli was under pressure but he should have made that pass just like Shep should have caught the one in this discussion.
The long pass to OBJ that was incomplete is iffy. That one might have been perfect had he not been impeded.
That one is hard to tell because it's hard to tell how much he was slowed by the contact.
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You're a waste of bandwidth.