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Drop by Shepard on last drive

PetesHereNow : 9/10/2018 11:22 am
Anyone have a replay/GIF of it? Interested to know if he a) makes first down, b) possibly scores. Im talking about the first down pass at the JAX 40.
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RE: RE: RE: RE: I'm sure I'l get reamed for this....  
Dinger : 9/10/2018 12:07 pm : link
In comment 14069364 dep026 said:
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but it was a bad throw by Eli. Watch it again...it was way out in front of him and he extended but it was off his fingertips. Catchable but a tough catch...but the throw was off the mark to be sure.



Looked the like the ball was right in his lap.



I'd suggest you watch it again (if possible) and see if you still believe that.



Again, I was at the game and only saw it live and a replay - so if you have a video of it- Ill love to see it.


I watched it a couple of times and while it was out in front of him I'd say it was a catch he has to make and was a catchable ball. By far not Eli's worst pass of the day and I think Sheppard was hearing footsteps.
Looks  
crick n NC : 9/10/2018 12:07 pm : link
Textbook to me
Pull..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/10/2018 12:07 pm : link
that shot another quarter second and the ball is right on his hands. I'll try and find a better view.
He has to catch  
jvm52106 : 9/10/2018 12:08 pm : link
that pass. There is no other answer. Catch the damn ball.
RE: You sure Fats?  
giants#1 : 9/10/2018 12:08 pm : link
In comment 14069450 Tesla said:
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His arms weren't even extended that far?



You think that image shows it's Eli's fault? His arms are extended, but that's a catch a starting WR needs to make 99 out of 100 times.
Looked very catchable to me  
ZogZerg : 9/10/2018 12:08 pm : link
Need to see replay again.

Top receivers need to catch those critical passes.
Tesla  
dep026 : 9/10/2018 12:08 pm : link
1. The throw certainly wasnt low. I think we can agree with that.
2. It is a little in front of him, which I agree.

But come on now, that is an easy catch.
And if..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/10/2018 12:09 pm : link
that pass isn't hitting him in stride, I'm not sure what pass is
RE: You sure Fats?  
jvm52106 : 9/10/2018 12:09 pm : link
In comment 14069450 Tesla said:
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His arms weren't even extended that far?



Is the ball hitting his palm?? Yep...
RE: Pull..  
Tesla : 9/10/2018 12:10 pm : link
In comment 14069455 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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that shot another quarter second and the ball is right on his hands. I'll try and find a better view.


LOL...it's not. But can you at least admit you were full of shit when you said his arms weren't even extended?
I didn't..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/10/2018 12:11 pm : link
say his arms weren't extended. I said they weren't extended that far. Hell, the ball hits the palm of his hand and the arm is slightly bent.

He actually has pretty good form for reaching for the pass.
he shouldn't be hearing footsteps....  
BillKo : 9/10/2018 12:15 pm : link
....SS should realize he's in man defense.

Make the catch and get YAC.....................
ask Sterling Shepard  
Capt. Don : 9/10/2018 12:16 pm : link
I bet he says he shouldve made that catch.

RE: ask Sterling Shepard  
Tesla : 9/10/2018 12:18 pm : link
In comment 14069479 Capt. Don said:
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I bet he says he shouldve made that catch.


Yes, as I said above it's a catch he should make....but it was also an errant throw...both things can be true.
There are times with  
10thAve : 9/10/2018 12:22 pm : link
both Shepard and Engram where they dont appear to have soft hands. Sometimes the ball just bounces right off their hands, like this one with Shepard. Whereas Barkley and Beckham seem to absorb the ball with their hands when they make the catch (even when Beckham drops passes its more due to taking his eye off the ball and not necessarily his hands).

Either way, Shepard needs to catch that.
You can get in to troubled debating how far his arms  
Dinger : 9/10/2018 12:22 pm : link
were extended, but the ball was basically where they teach a QB to throw to a receiver from day 1. He was leading him, he was in stride, and both hands touched the ball. That was on Sheppard. Its tough to get on him though because he makes a lot of difficult plays and he has laid his body out there and taken the tough shots. With that one being pretty damn important and arguably extending that drive we need someone to blame.....
Sheppard = JAG  
arniefez : 9/10/2018 12:23 pm : link
Engram has to get better to be JAG.
Why is this even being debated? The ball hit him ...  
Boy Cord : 9/10/2018 12:36 pm : link
... in the hands. There wasnt a defender on him. He has to make that catch.
RE: And some of you..  
Rjanyg : 9/10/2018 12:44 pm : link
In comment 14069447 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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put Eli in a no-win situation constantly. If he hits Shep in the hip, you'd bitch that he wasn't hit in stride. When he hits him in stride, the pass is too far out in front.

We have a thread titles "Eli excuses", but the opposite happens here a lot more than the other way around.


This. Shep needs to catch that ball, even if he falls to the ground. The ball hit both hands.
Hands are too far apart  
Eli Wilson : 9/10/2018 12:50 pm : link
Probably why he dropped it. Those hands need to be closer together.
When I started the thread  
PetesHereNow : 9/10/2018 12:51 pm : link
I wasnt even thinking it was going to be debated that it was anything less than a drop. I know he should have caught it. But my question was more would he have made the first or scored?

Kinda speaks to the standards some hold Eli to.
Tesla and Giant Natty  
JCin332 : 9/10/2018 12:54 pm : link
probable dupes...
RE: You sure Fats?  
Scuzzlebutt : 9/10/2018 12:59 pm : link
In comment 14069450 Tesla said:
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His arms weren't even extended that far?



That looks like a good pass to me as Shep is moving left to right in the pic. Looks to me that it will hit him square in the hands a millisecond later.
For God's Sake, It Was a Catchable Ball,  
clatterbuck : 9/10/2018 12:59 pm : link
he dropped it. Attempts to make everything Eli's fault is maddening. It was a drop. Was it a "perfect" throw? Who cares? It was a good throw. The ball hit Shepard in stride, he reached it, it hit his hands, he dropped it.
Its insane  
WillVAB : 9/10/2018 1:00 pm : link
The lengths people will go to try to criticize the QB.
RE: You sure Fats?  
Scuzzlebutt : 9/10/2018 1:01 pm : link
In comment 14069450 Tesla said:
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His arms weren't even extended that far?



That pass looks good to me. Looks about one millisecond away from hitting Shep in the hands.
Every QB  
bluesince56 : 9/10/2018 1:13 pm : link
in the league make bad throws every game. Brees, Brady, Rodgers etc at times does not throw the perfect pass. Watch all the games yesterday where you will see WRs make great catches and help their QB. Our TE had three drops on his own. Please stop this bashing of our QB.
RE: RE: ask Sterling Shepard  
Mike from Ohio : 9/10/2018 1:13 pm : link
In comment 14069483 Tesla said:
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I bet he says he shouldve made that catch.




Yes, as I said above it's a catch he should make....but it was also an errant throw...both things can be true.


If you define an "errant throw" as any throw that is not perfectly placed, then yes it was an errant throw. If you define an errant throw as a ball that is very difficult if not impossible to catch, then no it wasn't. An NFL receiver should not need the ball placed perfectly in order to catch it.

That is a fairly routine catch for most NFL receivers. Shepard should have caught it.
Catch the dam  
joeinpa : 9/10/2018 1:43 pm : link
Ball
We know Eli is not the most accurate passer...  
EricJ : 9/10/2018 2:18 pm : link
but yesterday he was throwing the ball well. Did he miss OBJ in the end zone twice? Sure, but so do other QBs. Eli played well enough for us to win yesterday.
Even the announcers  
mrvax : 9/10/2018 2:25 pm : link
said the ball was catchable. They said SS may have heard the Jax defenders closing in.
Shep needs to bring that one in...case closed  
Jimmy Googs : 9/10/2018 2:25 pm : link
don't make this an Eli-debate.

Save that one for the TD pass he overthrow to OBJ....

:-)

Lets just say it was a play we should...  
Crispino : 9/10/2018 2:31 pm : link
have connected on, and didnt. Probably not a great throw, probably should have been caught anyway.
See if I can get this gif to work here...  
Dan in the Springs : 9/10/2018 3:04 pm : link
drop by SS  
LG in NYC : 9/10/2018 3:09 pm : link
not a bad throw by Eli
that gif is pretty clear -  
Del Shofner : 9/10/2018 3:13 pm : link
he had to reach for it a little but it was very catchable, and you could say he had it and dropped it.
Eli  
SgtDog : 9/10/2018 4:12 pm : link
He gets paid to make those catches but Eli gets paid more to make those throws. Eli was behind, wide, low, high on many passes all day yesterday. This pass was 5-7 yards. If Eli puts it in closer to Shep's body he is able to run and and potentially make some moves to get passed a defender.
There are two issues not being addressed  
sxdxca : 9/10/2018 5:06 pm : link
#1 It was raining, the ball was slippery.

#2 It did not hit in the palms of his hands. The ball was heading downward, at the middle to the end of the fingertips. His arms were fully extended, the ball being slippery, slipped out.

#3 The rain also affected Eli's accuracy, cuz its not dry, but slippery. If you look at the full play, this was a very routine throw. The rain affects everything.
RE: There are two issues not being addressed  
dep026 : 9/10/2018 5:08 pm : link
In comment 14070067 sxdxca said:
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#1 It was raining, the ball was slippery.

#2 It did not hit in the palms of his hands. The ball was heading downward, at the middle to the end of the fingertips. His arms were fully extended, the ball being slippery, slipped out.

#3 The rain also affected Eli's accuracy, cuz its not dry, but slippery. If you look at the full play, this was a very routine throw. The rain affects everything.


Only if Davis Webb threw it, right?
A clear example of the issues many people have with confirmation bias  
JustaDiscussion : 9/10/2018 7:38 pm : link
and hyperbole. Fans of one side see it and remember it their way. Fans of the other side see and remember the opposite. While the truth is often somewhere in the middle. When the actual play is posted for all to see what really happened, the thread dies because everybody realizes that they were wrong in some way. In this case, it could have been a more accurate pass but it is possible that it could have been caught anyway.

I know it will never happen, but it'd be nice if people would use things like this to realize that most situations are nuanced not binary and our memories can be unreliable. People should be open to opposing viewpoints which often help us learn and grow by seeing things in a new light. A healthy back and forth of ideas is so much more interesting then childish name calling without verifying the facts.
Way I look at it  
Marty866b : 9/10/2018 7:46 pm : link
The throw could have been better but it could or should have been caught.
RE: Jesus..  
barens : 9/11/2018 10:04 am : link
In comment 14069440 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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look at the replay.

The ball actually hit both of his palms with his hands not even extended out that far!!

Objectivity would be welcome here...


So, the pass was right on the money? I think there's plenty of objectivity here. He could have made a really tough catch, but it was hardly a great pass in my eyes.
I didn't think Eli had a great game.  
Keith : 9/11/2018 10:14 am : link
He made some mistakes and I think the INT is absolutely on him....but are we really getting on him for this throw?? Was it perfect? No, but it was plenty damn good and catchable. It hit both of his hands, he didn't have to dive for it, he just had to extend his arms. That ball has to be caught and shouldn't even be remotely on Eli.
RE: I'm sure I'l get reamed for this....  
NoGainDayne : 9/11/2018 10:25 am : link
In comment 14069343 Tesla said:
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but it was a bad throw by Eli. Watch it again...it was way out in front of him and he extended but it was off his fingertips. Catchable but a tough catch...but the throw was off the mark to be sure.


Dear god. Bad throw? Bad??? The lengths some people will go to insult Eli is astounding.

This is the NFL. If you can get two hands on the ball and

1) The sideline isn't a factor
2) The ground isn't a factor
3) You aren't getting hit
4) The ball isn't behind your stride

You should fucking catch the ball.


A QBs job is to give you the opportunity to get two hands on the ball while limiting the affect of the above factors. A QB has to do so much. Insulting a QB when none of the 4 things listed above are issues is lunacy.
This is  
dorgan : 9/11/2018 10:31 am : link
hilarious.
The lengths some of you will go to either blame someone or excuse someone is astonishing.

That ball should be caught by an NFL receiver.
The slant to OBJ in the end zone was an overthrow.
Yes,Eli was under pressure but he should have made that pass just like Shep should have caught the one in this discussion.

The long pass to OBJ that was incomplete is iffy. That one might have been perfect had he not been impeded.
That one is hard to tell because it's hard to tell how much he was slowed by the contact.





Eli missed throws  
dep026 : 9/11/2018 10:43 am : link
The deep one to OBJ was his worst. The missed throw at the end of the 2nd was thrown before OBJ broke because we couldnt pickup a simple A gap blitz.

The ball to Shepard has to be caught. Jesus its not like he had to slide jump or reach back.
RE: Way I look at it  
RinR : 9/11/2018 10:58 am : link
In comment 14070277 Marty866b said:
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The throw could have been better but it could or should have been caught.


^^^This
Technically  
King Quis : 9/12/2018 3:03 am : link
The throw was off but youd like to see Shep make that catch especially for him to be mentioned as a good player as much as he is. Good players make that play
RE: This is  
crick n NC : 9/12/2018 6:33 am : link
In comment 14071200 dorgan said:
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hilarious.
The lengths some of you will go to either blame someone or excuse someone is astonishing.

That ball should be caught by an NFL receiver.
The slant to OBJ in the end zone was an overthrow.
Yes,Eli was under pressure but he should have made that pass just like Shep should have caught the one in this discussion.

The long pass to OBJ that was incomplete is iffy. That one might have been perfect had he not been impeded.
That one is hard to tell because it's hard to tell how much he was slowed by the contact.






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RE: Sheppard = JAG  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/14/2018 9:55 pm : link
In comment 14069496 arniefez said:
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Engram has to get better to be JAG.

You're a waste of bandwidth.
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