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Drop by Shepard on last drive

PetesHereNow : 9/10/2018 11:22 am
Anyone have a replay/GIF of it? Interested to know if he a) makes first down, b) possibly scores. I’m talking about the first down pass at the JAX 40.
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it was right in front me  
nygiants16 : 9/10/2018 11:23 am : link
he gets the first easy, he had engram in front of him, i thjnk he had 2 guys to beat to the end zone..he had a lot of room to run
was sitting endzone....  
BillKo : 9/10/2018 11:24 am : link
...I think he picks up the first, or comes close, but Jax seemed to be closing in.

Also, the pass was bit out in front, but those are the catches he's paid to make...........
Makes it worse  
PetesHereNow : 9/10/2018 11:25 am : link
Score there and we take the lead with 2 minutes to go. Could have been a much better Monday.
I'm sure I'l get reamed for this....  
Tesla : 9/10/2018 11:26 am : link
but it was a bad throw by Eli. Watch it again...it was way out in front of him and he extended but it was off his fingertips. Catchable but a tough catch...but the throw was off the mark to be sure.
RE: Makes it worse  
nygiants16 : 9/10/2018 11:26 am : link
In comment 14069341 PetesHereNow said:
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Score there and we take the lead with 2 minutes to go. Could have been a much better Monday.


also that 2 ppint conversion was even bigger, could of kicked a field goal there and would of been tied..
RE: I'm sure I'l get reamed for this....  
dep026 : 9/10/2018 11:28 am : link
In comment 14069343 Tesla said:
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but it was a bad throw by Eli. Watch it again...it was way out in front of him and he extended but it was off his fingertips. Catchable but a tough catch...but the throw was off the mark to be sure.


Looked the like the ball was right in his lap.
RE: I'm sure I'l get reamed for this....  
PetesHereNow : 9/10/2018 11:28 am : link
In comment 14069343 Tesla said:
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but it was a bad throw by Eli. Watch it again...it was way out in front of him and he extended but it was off his fingertips. Catchable but a tough catch...but the throw was off the mark to be sure.


I think Eli was expecting him to accelerate forward. I would very much like to see it again as I think it’s a play that kinda got lost in all the analysis of yesterday.
he seems to have an easy drop every other game  
GiantsFan84 : 9/10/2018 11:29 am : link
i'm very tired of hearing how good he is. he hasn't proven shit. same with engram
Tesla  
GiantNatty : 9/10/2018 11:30 am : link
HAHA! I thought the same thing but figured why even post it here? I'll get lambasted (even more - go read the Eli excuses thread).

The throw was a little low and a little too far out front. Should Shepard have caught it? Absolutely. Does a more efficient QB make that easy throw and hit Shepard in stride? Absolutely. Routinely.

It is yet another example of the small things a winning quarterback does that Eli hasn't done in five years.
RE: RE: I'm sure I'l get reamed for this....  
Tesla : 9/10/2018 11:31 am : link
In comment 14069351 dep026 said:
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but it was a bad throw by Eli. Watch it again...it was way out in front of him and he extended but it was off his fingertips. Catchable but a tough catch...but the throw was off the mark to be sure.



Looked the like the ball was right in his lap.


I'd suggest you watch it again (if possible) and see if you still believe that.
RE: RE: Makes it worse  
PetesHereNow : 9/10/2018 11:31 am : link
In comment 14069345 nygiants16 said:
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Score there and we take the lead with 2 minutes to go. Could have been a much better Monday.



also that 2 ppint conversion was even bigger, could of kicked a field goal there and would of been tied..


I know he almost scored. But everyone and their mother knows we run the halfback out of the shotgun on those tries. Would like to see something a bit different there.
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dep026 : 9/10/2018 11:32 am : link
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but it was a bad throw by Eli. Watch it again...it was way out in front of him and he extended but it was off his fingertips. Catchable but a tough catch...but the throw was off the mark to be sure.



Looked the like the ball was right in his lap.



I'd suggest you watch it again (if possible) and see if you still believe that.


Again, I was at the game and only saw it live and a replay - so if you have a video of it- Ill love to see it.
RE: Tesla  
PetesHereNow : 9/10/2018 11:33 am : link
In comment 14069356 GiantNatty said:
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HAHA! I thought the same thing but figured why even post it here? I'll get lambasted (even more - go read the Eli excuses thread).

The throw was a little low and a little too far out front. Should Shepard have caught it? Absolutely. Does a more efficient QB make that easy throw and hit Shepard in stride? Absolutely. Routinely.

It is yet another example of the small things a winning quarterback does that Eli hasn't done in five years.


It definitely wasn’t low. He may have had to reach for it. I’m willing to look at a replay but I haven’t seen it anywhere.
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BillKo : 9/10/2018 11:38 am : link
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but it was a bad throw by Eli. Watch it again...it was way out in front of him and he extended but it was off his fingertips. Catchable but a tough catch...but the throw was off the mark to be sure.



Looked the like the ball was right in his lap.



I'd suggest you watch it again (if possible) and see if you still believe that.



Again, I was at the game and only saw it live and a replay - so if you have a video of it- Ill love to see it.


I was sitting endzone where they were driving...ball was out in front A BIT.......not in the numbers but SS needs to catch that ball, every time.

Every throw isn't perfect.
Lol  
AJ23 : 9/10/2018 11:48 am : link
The ball was right in his hands.
It Wasn't a Perfect Throw...  
Jim in Tampa : 9/10/2018 11:55 am : link
But it was VERY catchable. He's just got to make that catch in that spot.
It was not an easy catch, it was out in front  
barens : 9/10/2018 11:55 am : link
Of him.
RE: It was not an easy catch, it was out in front  
BillKo : 9/10/2018 11:57 am : link
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Of him.


It's easy for a professional who knows he'll have open space in front of him.

Did you see OBJ catch a ball behind him on a rollout by Eli........

Again, every pass isn't perfect. Receivers need to make plays.
Jesus..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/10/2018 12:01 pm : link
look at the replay.

The ball actually hit both of his palms with his hands not even extended out that far!!

Objectivity would be welcome here...
And some of you..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/10/2018 12:05 pm : link
put Eli in a no-win situation constantly. If he hits Shep in the hip, you'd bitch that he wasn't hit in stride. When he hits him in stride, the pass is too far out in front.

We have a thread titles "Eli excuses", but the opposite happens here a lot more than the other way around.
You sure Fats?  
Tesla : 9/10/2018 12:06 pm : link
His arms weren't even extended that far?

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Dinger : 9/10/2018 12:07 pm : link
In comment 14069364 dep026 said:
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but it was a bad throw by Eli. Watch it again...it was way out in front of him and he extended but it was off his fingertips. Catchable but a tough catch...but the throw was off the mark to be sure.



Looked the like the ball was right in his lap.



I'd suggest you watch it again (if possible) and see if you still believe that.



Again, I was at the game and only saw it live and a replay - so if you have a video of it- Ill love to see it.


I watched it a couple of times and while it was out in front of him I'd say it was a catch he has to make and was a catchable ball. By far not Eli's worst pass of the day and I think Sheppard was hearing footsteps.
Looks  
crick n NC : 9/10/2018 12:07 pm : link
Textbook to me
Pull..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/10/2018 12:07 pm : link
that shot another quarter second and the ball is right on his hands. I'll try and find a better view.
He has to catch  
jvm52106 : 9/10/2018 12:08 pm : link
that pass. There is no other answer. Catch the damn ball.
RE: You sure Fats?  
giants#1 : 9/10/2018 12:08 pm : link
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His arms weren't even extended that far?



You think that image shows it's Eli's fault? His arms are extended, but that's a catch a starting WR needs to make 99 out of 100 times.
Looked very catchable to me  
ZogZerg : 9/10/2018 12:08 pm : link
Need to see replay again.

Top receivers need to catch those critical passes.
Tesla  
dep026 : 9/10/2018 12:08 pm : link
1. The throw certainly wasnt low. I think we can agree with that.
2. It is a little in front of him, which I agree.

But come on now, that is an easy catch.
And if..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/10/2018 12:09 pm : link
that pass isn't hitting him in stride, I'm not sure what pass is
RE: You sure Fats?  
jvm52106 : 9/10/2018 12:09 pm : link
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His arms weren't even extended that far?



Is the ball hitting his palm?? Yep...
RE: Pull..  
Tesla : 9/10/2018 12:10 pm : link
In comment 14069455 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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that shot another quarter second and the ball is right on his hands. I'll try and find a better view.


LOL...it's not. But can you at least admit you were full of shit when you said his arms weren't even extended?
I didn't..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/10/2018 12:11 pm : link
say his arms weren't extended. I said they weren't extended that far. Hell, the ball hits the palm of his hand and the arm is slightly bent.

He actually has pretty good form for reaching for the pass.
he shouldn't be hearing footsteps....  
BillKo : 9/10/2018 12:15 pm : link
....SS should realize he's in man defense.

Make the catch and get YAC.....................
ask Sterling Shepard  
Capt. Don : 9/10/2018 12:16 pm : link
I bet he says he shouldve made that catch.

RE: ask Sterling Shepard  
Tesla : 9/10/2018 12:18 pm : link
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I bet he says he shouldve made that catch.


Yes, as I said above it's a catch he should make....but it was also an errant throw...both things can be true.
There are times with  
10thAve : 9/10/2018 12:22 pm : link
both Shepard and Engram where they don’t appear to have soft hands. Sometimes the ball just bounces right off their hands, like this one with Shepard. Whereas Barkley and Beckham seem to absorb the ball with their hands when they make the catch (even when Beckham drops passes its more due to taking his eye off the ball and not necessarily his hands).

Either way, Shepard needs to catch that.
You can get in to troubled debating how far his arms  
Dinger : 9/10/2018 12:22 pm : link
were extended, but the ball was basically where they teach a QB to throw to a receiver from day 1. He was leading him, he was in stride, and both hands touched the ball. That was on Sheppard. Its tough to get on him though because he makes a lot of difficult plays and he has laid his body out there and taken the tough shots. With that one being pretty damn important and arguably extending that drive we need someone to blame.....
Sheppard = JAG  
arniefez : 9/10/2018 12:23 pm : link
Engram has to get better to be JAG.
Why is this even being debated? The ball hit him ...  
Boy Cord : 9/10/2018 12:36 pm : link
... in the hands. There wasn’t a defender on him. He has to make that catch.
RE: And some of you..  
Rjanyg : 9/10/2018 12:44 pm : link
In comment 14069447 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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put Eli in a no-win situation constantly. If he hits Shep in the hip, you'd bitch that he wasn't hit in stride. When he hits him in stride, the pass is too far out in front.

We have a thread titles "Eli excuses", but the opposite happens here a lot more than the other way around.


This. Shep needs to catch that ball, even if he falls to the ground. The ball hit both hands.
Hands are too far apart  
Eli Wilson : 9/10/2018 12:50 pm : link
Probably why he dropped it. Those hands need to be closer together.
When I started the thread  
PetesHereNow : 9/10/2018 12:51 pm : link
I wasn’t even thinking it was going to be debated that it was anything less than a drop. I know he should have caught it. But my question was more would he have made the first or scored?

Kinda speaks to the standards some hold Eli to.
Tesla and Giant Natty  
JCin332 : 9/10/2018 12:54 pm : link
probable dupes...
RE: You sure Fats?  
Scuzzlebutt : 9/10/2018 12:59 pm : link
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His arms weren't even extended that far?



That looks like a good pass to me as Shep is moving left to right in the pic. Looks to me that it will hit him square in the hands a millisecond later.
For God's Sake, It Was a Catchable Ball,  
clatterbuck : 9/10/2018 12:59 pm : link
he dropped it. Attempts to make everything Eli's fault is maddening. It was a drop. Was it a "perfect" throw? Who cares? It was a good throw. The ball hit Shepard in stride, he reached it, it hit his hands, he dropped it.
It’s insane  
WillVAB : 9/10/2018 1:00 pm : link
The lengths people will go to try to criticize the QB.
RE: You sure Fats?  
Scuzzlebutt : 9/10/2018 1:01 pm : link
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His arms weren't even extended that far?



That pass looks good to me. Looks about one millisecond away from hitting Shep in the hands.
Every QB  
bluesince56 : 9/10/2018 1:13 pm : link
in the league make bad throws every game. Brees, Brady, Rodgers etc at times does not throw the perfect pass. Watch all the games yesterday where you will see WRs make great catches and help their QB. Our TE had three drops on his own. Please stop this bashing of our QB.
RE: RE: ask Sterling Shepard  
Mike from Ohio : 9/10/2018 1:13 pm : link
In comment 14069483 Tesla said:
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I bet he says he shouldve made that catch.




Yes, as I said above it's a catch he should make....but it was also an errant throw...both things can be true.


If you define an "errant throw" as any throw that is not perfectly placed, then yes it was an errant throw. If you define an errant throw as a ball that is very difficult if not impossible to catch, then no it wasn't. An NFL receiver should not need the ball placed perfectly in order to catch it.

That is a fairly routine catch for most NFL receivers. Shepard should have caught it.
Catch the dam  
joeinpa : 9/10/2018 1:43 pm : link
Ball
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