Two plays that really hurt us

even if the communication wasn't working he could have just run a play.

In comment 14070145 markky said:

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even if the communication wasn't working he could have just run a play.

Or even taken the five yards if he had to.

It doesn't seem to matter who the coach is...TC, BM or now Shurmur. The Giants (Eli?) seem to have one of these moments almost every game.

It cost us 7 points.

The biggest play of the game was Flowers getting completely bullrushed into Eli forcing him to step up where the ball got tipped. Game, set, match.

In comment 14070148 giantstock said:

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It cost us 7 points.

I was just making a point that these two plays I mentioned haven’t really been discussed

Flowers and the INT have been discussed plenty

the Giants got the punt back after that drive on their own 15 yard line and proceeded to drive it back to midfield.

The plays that hurt the giants were the non-conversions for first downs when there were makable plays to be made. Shepard drop on 1st down. Barkley not extending the football when Shurmur went for it on 4th down. Engram drops. Bad throw and non call DPI on 4th down (close call but could have gone either way).

Yes it would have been great to hit some big plays downfield, but to be a good offense you need to consistently convert first downs with the easy plays - especially in those conditions against a great D. This offense has more talent than to just hit a few big plays to Barkley/OBJ a couple times a game. If they clean up the sloppy mistakes they should be very tough to get off the field.

I know it was discussed that Saquon was given the ball for the 2pt conversion after sprinting 68 yards. However, why open the next drive she. You have momentum with Stewart in for the first two downs?

In comment 14070156 Reeses Pieces said:

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I know it was discussed that Saquon was given the ball for the 2pt conversion after sprinting 68 yards. However, why open the next drive she. You have momentum with Stewart in for the first two downs?

What bothers me most about that play was that Engram and not Ellison was the man blocking Campbell.

In comment 14070153 Eric on Li said:

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the Giants got the punt back after that drive on their own 15 yard line and proceeded to drive it back to midfield. The plays that hurt the giants were the non-conversions for first downs when there were makable plays to be made. Shepard drop on 1st down. Barkley not extending the football when Shurmur went for it on 4th down. Engram drops. Bad throw and non call DPI on 4th down (close call but could have gone either way). When you are as offensively challenged as the Giants, field position is huge! The percentages of a long drive this team as of now is pretty low, anytime they can shorten the field it is going to improve their chance of scoring considerably, Yes it would have been great to hit some big plays downfield, but to be a good offense you need to consistently convert first downs with the easy plays - especially in those conditions against a great D. This offense has more talent than to just hit a few big plays to Barkley/OBJ a couple times a game. If they clean up the sloppy mistakes they should be very tough to get off the field.

Broke that one down here, Collins slipping was the real issue
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In comment 14070153 Eric on Li said:

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the Giants got the punt back after that drive on their own 15 yard line and proceeded to drive it back to midfield. The plays that hurt the giants were the non-conversions for first downs when there were makable plays to be made. Shepard drop on 1st down. Barkley not extending the football when Shurmur went for it on 4th down. Engram drops. Bad throw and non call DPI on 4th down (close call but could have gone either way). The Giants got the ball back but it was a major change in field position Yes it would have been great to hit some big plays downfield, but to be a good offense you need to consistently convert first downs with the easy plays - especially in those conditions against a great D. This offense has more talent than to just hit a few big plays to Barkley/OBJ a couple times a game. If they clean up the sloppy mistakes they should be very tough to get off the field.

We would have had a minute and twenty seconds left when our punt returner fumbled rather than :50?

option/boot whatever you want to call them. Remember how bad we looked in the last preseason game on that long Patriot run.

Teams do this, and not just teams with Cam Newton-like qb's. Fitzgerald ran several yesterday.

Players always need to be ready for this

In comment 14070180 Britt in VA said:

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We would have had a minute and twenty seconds left when our punt returner fumbled rather than :50?

Not to be difficult but the returner did fumble it ... so it really didn't matter. Jags run out the clock either way. Right?

In comment 14070185 USAF NYG Fan said:

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In comment 14070180 Britt in VA said: Quote: We would have had a minute and twenty seconds left when our punt returner fumbled rather than :50? Not to be difficult but the returner did fumble it ... so it really didn't matter. Jags run out the clock either way. Right?

Nevermind. I missed the second question mark. I agree.
Sorry.

In comment 14070185 USAF NYG Fan said:

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In comment 14070180 Britt in VA said: Quote: We would have had a minute and twenty seconds left when our punt returner fumbled rather than :50? Not to be difficult but the returner did fumble it ... so it really didn't matter. Jags run out the clock either way. Right?

That's what I was saying. In response to the op's 2nd point.

I kind of thought the two missed opportunities to Beckham in the end zone and the pick 6 were kinda of big, but that s just me.

Timeouts are part of clock management, and clock management is a major factor in winning games. You're better off losing 5 yards than you are burning a timeout in a close game. I wish the Shurmur had a hard and fast rule about not burning timeouts in those kinds of situations. They are gold.

we may have approached that last possession differently. The option to kick a quick field goal to get it to 20-18 may have been viable.

Attention to detail wins and loses games. To me, blowing a timeout there is a failure of both Eli and the offensive coaching staff.

Attention to detail.

SS 4qt drop that killed the drive

In comment 14070152 Earl the goat said:

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In comment 14070148 giantstock said: Quote: It cost us 7 points. I was just making a point that these two plays I mentioned haven’t really been discussed Flowers and the INT have been discussed plenty

No pick-6 no Barkley TD run.

And those EE and SS dropped passes were brutal drive killers. Having receivers who can't catch is like having a RB who can't run and trips over himself or a kicker who whiffs on kicks.