Confident, strong arm, doesn't panic, escapability, but the ability to find space and keep his eyes down field. You can stick your head in the sand or look at the box score and try to rationalize it in your head all you want, he had a really, really good game. 21 year old baby and he had complete control. Darnold is legit. Not saying a word about Barkley or who we should have drafted or anythign else, just stating what everyone who actually watched, saw.
Legit to me means he was worth the 3rd overall pick. I don't think that has been proven yet, at least to me. Now legit may mean something different to you and that is fine of course.
Legit to me that Darnold was worth the 3rd overall pick was based on his college performance and the general consensus of scouting reports. His first game against Detroit did nothing to change that consensus; if anything, it just solidified it another notch.
Confident, strong arm, doesn't panic, escapability, but the ability to find space and keep his eyes down field. You can stick your head in the sand or look at the box score and try to rationalize it in your head all you want, he had a really, really good game. 21 year old baby and he had complete control. Darnold is legit. Not saying a word about Barkley or who we should have drafted or anythign else, just stating what everyone who actually watched, saw.
Legit to me means he was worth the 3rd overall pick. I don't think that has been proven yet, at least to me. Now legit may mean something different to you and that is fine of course.
I understand where you are coming from and I understand a lot can happen and will happen with Darnold. We have to let his career unfold, but my comment is that he belongs. As of right now, he's proven that he was worth the #3 pick. He's shown that he has everything you want in a young QB.
Think about how many QB's have a good game or two, or 6, then drop off. Hell Josh Freeman had a decent year. Just because he threw for 198 yds against a horrible Lions team doesn't tell everything. Lets see in a few years if he's another USC Sanchez or another Eli.
And by the way, Barkley just rushed for 108 yds and a TD against the best defense in football.
Darnold is good. Barkley is good. Both players are very good and have 1 NFL game under their belts.
I wanted Barkley but would not have been upset with Darnold. I am and Eli Manning apologist. I wanted Eli to be our QB for the rest of his career and I am willing to take whatever comes our way in terms of wins and losses because of it. I believe the whole NY Giants organization feels the same way or they wouldn't have drafted Barkley.
For the record, I was very happy with our 2018 draft: Barkley, Hernandez, Carter and Lauletta were all guys I was hoping the Giants would draft and they did.
I am on record. Have a good day.
People are acting like we are talking about a 10 year vet or
This was Darnold's first regular season game of his CAREER. For that, it was a VERY impressive outing no matter which way you slice it. People said that pre-season games don't count. Fine. Now, the regular season games don't count, too?
Uh huh.
It was a very good first outing. This will be talked about for years. But there's nothing wrong with pointing out this was a very good first outing for a 21 year old rookie on the road in primetime.
I wanted Barkley but would not have been upset with Darnold. I am and Eli Manning apologist. I wanted Eli to be our QB for the rest of his career and I am willing to take whatever comes our way in terms of wins and losses because of it.
Congratulations - this is a big step. Admitting you have a problem. It's the first step to recovery. More of your ilk - and believe me a lot of them are here in this thread - should take notice of your courage and follow in your path.
You should be an inspiration for all the Eli addicts! :)
Think about how many QB's have a good game or two, or 6, then drop off. Hell Josh Freeman had a decent year. Just because he threw for 198 yds against a horrible Lions team doesn't tell everything. Lets see in a few years if he's another USC Sanchez or another Eli.
And by the way, Barkley just rushed for 108 yds and a TD against the best defense in football.
If I had a nickle for every move, draft pick we didn't take, unsigned free agent, or cut that was going to "come back and haunt us" over the years, I wouldn't need winning lottery numbers.
In regards to quarterback only? Josh Freeman, RG3, Dak Prescott, all guys that were going to be hall of famers and murder us after one season. Even Andrew Luck to an extent, the sure fire first ballot HOF'er before he ever played a snap. The list is long.
I wanted Barkley but would not have been upset with Darnold. I am and Eli Manning apologist. I wanted Eli to be our QB for the rest of his career and I am willing to take whatever comes our way in terms of wins and losses because of it.
Congratulations - this is a big step. Admitting you have a problem. It's the first step to recovery. More of your ilk - and believe me a lot of them are here in this thread - should take notice of your courage and follow in your path.
You should be an inspiration for all the Eli addicts! :)
FWIW, a lot of the people here who are Eli supporters wanted to draft Darnold over Barkley so your fucking snide comment has no merit like usual.
and ability to create plays on the run was much better than I thought. He managed to create quite a few plays last night after the play broke down. I think we're going to see more and more of that in QB play in the future. Not that you have to be Michael Vick, but certainly the ability to extend the play, which this kid apparently has.
To me, how well Darnold or Barkley plays in no indictment on the Giants. Picking a QB is a crapshoot, no one knows. Barkley was universally considered the best player in the draft. The issue is Eli, we said a statistical outlier game was evidence the Eli still has "it". Eli needs to be more than a game manager for neglecting to draft a QB last year to be acceptable.I was encouraged by what I saw from Eli yesterday. However, I need to see him make a game winning throw, one we can point to and say..."Yeah, that throw was money, Eli doesn't make that throw we lose that game" That was winnable game on Sunday.
The Jaguars were number 2 in the NFL for opposing QB rating of 72.7 in 2017, their D looks to be better this year. This is why I was encouraged. Encouraged does not equal sold. The game against Dallas is going to tell us much. We need to win this game, Eli needs to deliver.
The Jaguars were number 2 in the NFL for opposing QB rating of 72.7 in 2017, their D looks to be better this year. This is why I was encouraged. Encouraged does not equal sold. The game against Dallas is going to tell us much. We need to win this game, Eli needs to deliver.
Agree, as does EE, the O line, and the coaches to someway get Barkley the ball in a little space
I wanted Barkley but would not have been upset with Darnold. I am and Eli Manning apologist. I wanted Eli to be our QB for the rest of his career and I am willing to take whatever comes our way in terms of wins and losses because of it.
Congratulations - this is a big step. Admitting you have a problem. It's the first step to recovery. More of your ilk - and believe me a lot of them are here in this thread - should take notice of your courage and follow in your path.
You should be an inspiration for all the Eli addicts! :)
bw,
I have been a Giants fan for 42 years. I have seen some bad teams, including last years team. This years team will be much better and I believe Eli has good football left in him. He does need a supporting cast, like a decent O line. The line needs to play much better if NYG is going to compete. Eli made some very nice throws on Sunday. He missed on a couple and was hurried on quite a few including the batted ball/ INT and the one where OBJ was open in the endzone down on the goalline.
I will agree that Eli will bear much of the blame for losses but I will say that our O line, like last year, was the main reason we lost that game.
I agree - the line absolutely was the main reason for the loss. That's part of what makes going forward with Eli a vexing decision.
Behind a good offensive line Eli can absolutely play at a high level. But this line isn't good. The math doesn't compute - it hasn't computed all offseason.
The Jaguars were number 2 in the NFL for opposing QB rating of 72.7 in 2017, their D looks to be better this year. This is why I was encouraged. Encouraged does not equal sold. The game against Dallas is going to tell us much. We need to win this game, Eli needs to deliver.
Oddly, I don't think Eli needs to be great to be the Cowboys. Just steady. Dallas has a legit D for sure, but they will concede yardage and aren't great at corner. So take what they give us, score a TD, add a FG or two and take the W.
And I have little doubt the pedestrian Dallas O - and that's being generous - will struggle to even get FG attempts in this game. They are putrid on that side of the ball...
everyone hates all the quarterbacks because every weakness - real or perceived - has been dissected every day for several months. Darnold was not your run-of-the-mill hyped QB prospect. Had he entered the draft a year earlier, he would've been the #1 pick. Had he stayed at USC one more year, he would've been the #1 pick next year. He easily could have - and perhaps should have - been the #1 pick this year. He's going to be an excellent NFL quarterback.
Eli Manning: 37 years old, $45M cap hit over the next 2 years
Sam Darnold: 21 years old, $30M cap hit over the next 4 years
Objectively, the Jets have a better QB situation than the Giants do - not next year or the year after, but right at this moment.
And Eli did not play well Sunday. He left points on the board and we lost. Our standards have really dropped after 5 years of dogshit football.
I think 'didn't play well' is overstating it a bit.
It's really more like 'didn't play like a 20m QB'. He played OK, missed a few throws he should have hit, made a few nice plays. IMO, where he struggled was with placement, it seems like if a few of his throws had been better thrown there would have been bigger gains, in addition to a few completions.
That would be nitpicking with most QBs in the league, but Eli's paid better than most QBs. The same spotlight is thrown onto Stafford, Ryan and other QBs who play OK but don't merit their paycheck on a regular basis.
...but I am having a hard time accepting that the Jets may have found their answer. Dave In Hoboken - for some reason I thought it was you but it might have been another "Dave" who used to joke with me about my wife's family. They live in this Jet bubble that quite frankly shouldn't annoy me but man does it irk me when they are successful. A 43 year old man should not live with such distaste. I wish I can be happy for these guys but the Fireman Ed crap and just my environment in general. Ugh! with a capital "U".
Anyway, let's see what the season brings because if this is an indicator of things to come, I can't relive 2009-10 with these clowns.
But on a more Giant related topic - I thought the Hernandez pick supplemented the Barkley pick after my initial "we made a mistake" reaction. I have an 11 year old son who loves Eli Manning and the Giants so I do enjoy his innocence when rooting for Eli, Odell and his favorite players but I still get nervous with Eli under center.
I also think the stakes seem higher for the Giants. You have the Jets with Darnold with low expectations as far as record goes and is playing loose (I do agree with Dave in Hoboken that he was impressive as a rookie starting in prime time on the road). The Giants have a window that is small with Eli. However, they have Odell and Sequon long term so maybe the thinking with Dave Gettlemen and Shurmur is if this doesn't work out, the next QB has some potential great weapons. (Sheppard, Engram not bad as well). Continue building the o-line and we will see. If the Giants operated as the only team in the city, I would be patient but that other team is irritating.
I might be nitpicking, and I love Eli, but I'm just tired of rationalizing for this team.
We had a rare, but realistic, opportunity to completely blow up the roster and start a new project. It's what I would have done, but the front office opted not to. That's fine, but if I'm going to accept it I want to win now. No more excuses, no more rationalizations.
If we're going to go 8-8 with this team, we could just as easily have accomplished something similar with a younger team better situation for the long term. The route the front office chose - 8-8 isn't good enough.
I might be nitpicking, and I love Eli, but I'm just tired of rationalizing for this team.
We had a rare, but realistic, opportunity to completely blow up the roster and start a new project. It's what I would have done, but the front office opted not to. That's fine, but if I'm going to accept it I want to win now. No more excuses, no more rationalizations.
If we're going to go 8-8 with this team, we could just as easily have accomplished something similar with a younger team better situation for the long term. The route the front office chose - 8-8 isn't good enough.
I might be nitpicking, and I love Eli, but I'm just tired of rationalizing for this team.
We had a rare, but realistic, opportunity to completely blow up the roster and start a new project. It's what I would have done, but the front office opted not to. That's fine, but if I'm going to accept it I want to win now. No more excuses, no more rationalizations.
If we're going to go 8-8 with this team, we could just as easily have accomplished something similar with a younger team better situation for the long term. The route the front office chose - 8-8 isn't good enough.
I wanted a QB for this reason at the time but I just think that the constant "told you so's" are too early both for Darnold and Barkley and for the Giants QB situation in general. Maybe they wind up with one of the top QB's in this year's draft or the following and that player turns out to be better than Darnold. It's certainly plausible but we'll have to wait and see.
I might be nitpicking, and I love Eli, but I'm just tired of rationalizing for this team.
We had a rare, but realistic, opportunity to completely blow up the roster and start a new project. It's what I would have done, but the front office opted not to. That's fine, but if I'm going to accept it I want to win now. No more excuses, no more rationalizations.
If we're going to go 8-8 with this team, we could just as easily have accomplished something similar with a younger team better situation for the long term. The route the front office chose - 8-8 isn't good enough.
Sticky this.
I second this. Post of the Year.
RE: Even the majority of the board that actually wanted Darnold...
This post was started by someone intending to make fun of Darnold for poor play. When that backfired we get the whining about why are we talking about Darnold everyones tired of it.
This is the youngest starting QB in the NFL of the 50+ year Super Bowl era.
He was on the road.
On Monday Night Football.
An initially raucous crowd (until he silenced them)
Vs a team that was 9-7 last season with a defense that delivered 5 sacks and 8 QB hits vs the Giants last year and has an excellent pass rusher in Ziggy Ansha (Lions actually had 2 early sacks- 1 by Ansah)
He is on an untalented offense and a team that went 4-12 last season
He opens with a pick 6 (on a designed play, not his decision) and a crazy crowd
Then he delivers that performance.
It was incredibly impressive.
He made plays with his feet, his arm, his head. He looked like a veteran QB. He was composed, unrattled and in command.
His team just didnt make plays for him, he led that comeback. The turnovers, the special teams etc started happening in the 3rd after Darnold delivered 11 of 14 and 2 TD drives including his 40+ yard bomb. Those big plays by others made it a rout and piled on.
This is after Darnold walked into the preseason and played so well and beat out a very good Teddy Bridgewater, that the league had a lot of interest in and McCown to earn that starting job. They traded Bridgewater out of their confidence in Darnold and all that he did in preseason and not just the games.
To compare: Eli Mannings 1st start was at the age of 23, in week 11, so had weeks to learn, on a 5-4 team with Tiki Barber, Amani Toomer & Jeremy Shockey. He was at home. He was vs Atlanta.
He was 17 of 37 for 162 yards and 1 TD and 2 INT in a 14-10 loss.
Roethlisbergers 1st start was a 12 for 20 176 yard 2 TD 2 INT in a 30-13 loss to the Ravens.
Peyton was a 21 of 37 for 302 yards with a TD and 3 INT game in a 25-15 loss to Miami at home.
Rodgers was in his 3rd year iat 24 n week 13 of 10-2 team and he was 18 of 26 for 201 yards and a TD and took 3 sacks in a 37-27 loss to Dallas.
Darnold was impressive, but man there's a ton of shit in that rambling post about the Lions being good because of their record last year and the Jets being untalented.
The Jets have Robbie Anderson who has a very high ceiling. They also have Crowell and Powell at RB who make up one oft he better tandems in the league.They aren't a star-studded team, but they aren't untalented either.
On the flip side, many analysts speculated that the Lions would struggle this year. 10 out of the top 12 season predictions had them last in the division this year. They are weak in the secondary and outside of Ansah, they struggle to rush the passer.
Using the way they played against the Giants last year means dick. Heck, you are basically using last year to say that the Lions will be good and the Jets bad.
This is the youngest starting QB in the NFL of the 50+ year Super Bowl era.
He was on the road.
On Monday Night Football.
An initially raucous crowd (until he silenced them)
Vs a team that was 9-7 last season with a defense that delivered 5 sacks and 8 QB hits vs the Giants last year and has an excellent pass rusher in Ziggy Ansha (Lions actually had 2 early sacks- 1 by Ansah)
He is on an untalented offense and a team that went 4-12 last season
He opens with a pick 6 (on a designed play, not his decision) and a crazy crowd
Then he delivers that performance.
It was incredibly impressive.
He made plays with his feet, his arm, his head. He looked like a veteran QB. He was composed, unrattled and in command.
His team just didnt make plays for him, he led that comeback. The turnovers, the special teams etc started happening in the 3rd after Darnold delivered 11 of 14 and 2 TD drives including his 40+ yard bomb. Those big plays by others made it a rout and piled on.
This is after Darnold walked into the preseason and played so well and beat out a very good Teddy Bridgewater, that the league had a lot of interest in and McCown to earn that starting job. They traded Bridgewater out of their confidence in Darnold and all that he did in preseason and not just the games.
To compare: Eli Mannings 1st start was at the age of 23, in week 11, so had weeks to learn, on a 5-4 team with Tiki Barber, Amani Toomer & Jeremy Shockey. He was at home. He was vs Atlanta.
He was 17 of 37 for 162 yards and 1 TD and 2 INT in a 14-10 loss.
Roethlisbergers 1st start was a 12 for 20 176 yard 2 TD 2 INT in a 30-13 loss to the Ravens.
Peyton was a 21 of 37 for 302 yards with a TD and 3 INT game in a 25-15 loss to Miami at home.
Rodgers was in his 3rd year iat 24 n week 13 of 10-2 team and he was 18 of 26 for 201 yards and a TD and took 3 sacks in a 37-27 loss to Dallas.
This is the youngest starting QB in the NFL of the 50+ year Super Bowl era.
He was on the road.
On Monday Night Football.
An initially raucous crowd (until he silenced them)
Vs a team that was 9-7 last season with a defense that delivered 5 sacks and 8 QB hits vs the Giants last year and has an excellent pass rusher in Ziggy Ansha (Lions actually had 2 early sacks- 1 by Ansah)
He is on an untalented offense and a team that went 4-12 last season
He opens with a pick 6 (on a designed play, not his decision) and a crazy crowd
Then he delivers that performance.
It was incredibly impressive.
He made plays with his feet, his arm, his head. He looked like a veteran QB. He was composed, unrattled and in command.
His team just didnt make plays for him, he led that comeback. The turnovers, the special teams etc started happening in the 3rd after Darnold delivered 11 of 14 and 2 TD drives including his 40+ yard bomb. Those big plays by others made it a rout and piled on.
You have to be a bit fairer here, and I desperately wanted a QB with the #2 pick, because the Jets just played an outstanding team game for a team W. When you get a defensive pick six and a special teams TD, your team wins well over 90% of the games. Those are immense game breakers...
The key to the game was this - after the pick six, the Jets held the Lions to a 3 and out. That led to the 55 yard punt return by Martin. Darnold made a key third and six, which led to a first and goal 6 yard TD run by Crowell. That was an adrenaline shot for the entire team. And from there they just played faster, quicker, and more urgently than the Lions...
I might be nitpicking, and I love Eli, but I'm just tired of rationalizing for this team.
We had a rare, but realistic, opportunity to completely blow up the roster and start a new project. It's what I would have done, but the front office opted not to. That's fine, but if I'm going to accept it I want to win now. No more excuses, no more rationalizations.
If we're going to go 8-8 with this team, we could just as easily have accomplished something similar with a younger team better situation for the long term. The route the front office chose - 8-8 isn't good enough.
Yes, agree here. I would say, we need to see a team that can contend, for the playoffs, for the division and yes the ring. I have seen Superbowl or bust from Eli homers, but thats the type of black/white nonsense you have to filter out. If the Giants are passing up the QB at #2 it shouldn't be to be mediocre, it should be to contend for the playoffs.
I called that one during the game. He won't last two seasons there.
Patricia may not be long for that team, but the players there have got a lot of balls bitching about culture coming off three years where they haven't won 10 games, and considering none of them has even won a playoff game there.
The culture there is a losing one. Patricia should be trying to change it.
Darnold had already looked excellent long before those plays ever occurred.
Eh... when the Jets were up 41-17, their offense had crossed midfield on a scoring drive a grand total of ONE time. Darnold played a solid game, but all facets of the Lions played abominably.
Darnold had already looked excellent long before those plays ever occurred.
It was still a team win. The Jets returned a punt over 40 yards which set up their first TD (rushing one), then Stafford proceeded to throw ints on their next two possessions. The Jets punted on their next one and then the 40 td put them up 17-7. That ball was underthrown and should've been intercepted. I'm not sure how anyone could dispute that.
The first drive in the second half was the best one imo. After that Stafford threw a pick 6, went 3 and out and the Jets returned the punt for a TD so it's safe to say the game was over at that point.
Darnold played well and was poised and in control especially for a rookie qb making his first ever start but reading this thread you'd think he threw for 400+ yards like Cam Newton did in his debut. He had some very good moments and also some not so good ones. He got away with one on the long TD pass and one or two other times where he threw behind guys (there was a dropped int in the first half as well if i remember correctly). If that ball was picked the narrative completely changes despite the final score. Here it is:
He also got a lot of help in the form of a running game that before the Crowell TD was averaging nearly 6 ypc and he had 3.26 seconds to throw the ball which was good for 2nd amongst starting qbs in week 1. It was a dominant performance from the Jets and the Lions looked like they didn't want to be there.
That was actually a really good play by darnold. He looked off the safety and pumped the ball short to ensure single coverage and gave his guy a chance to make a play. The throw wasnt perfect, but it didnt need to be. That was a vet-esque play. He also slid to the left to avoid pressure.
That was actually a really good play by darnold. He looked off the safety and pumped the ball short to ensure single coverage and gave his guy a chance to make a play. The throw wasnt perfect, but it didnt need to be. That was a vet-esque play. He also slid to the left to avoid pressure.
I know what you're referring to and the safety had no shot at catching up to Anderson at that point. The throw didn't need to be perfect because the defender couldn't track the ball and turned his head too late. I mean it literally went through his hands.
I don't know what pressure you're referring to. They were rushing 3, none of which got any push at all for the 6 seconds he had to throw and while he did a nice job other times of avoiding pressure, he didn't there (and didn't need to). And for what it's worth, that was the only tight window throw he made all game and it should've at the very least been an easy pbu.
We will see in the coming weeks though. Unless the Jets line suddenly turned into a healthy Dallas, he'll have to make those tight window throws against Jax, Denver, Minny and Chicago.
you have propped them up as being a "near playoff" team last year and referred to their record last year as indication that Darnold was playing a pretty tough team.
Like I said above, Darnold was impressive, but using Detroit's 2017 season as an indication isn't doing any favors to anyone.
you have propped them up as being a "near playoff" team last year and referred to their record last year as indication that Darnold was playing a pretty tough team.
Like I said above, Darnold was impressive, but using Detroit's 2017 season as an indication isn't doing any favors to anyone.
Like I said, a rookie QBs first ever game at 21 on tbe road in the home opener on prime time as an underdog vs a team that was good last year
Thats what he was up against. Its damn impressive to play the wAy he did
Of course, Jax is a very talented team and the Lions are trash, so there's not much to get from that first outing.
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As you said, a first game is a first game for both rooks.
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Confident, strong arm, doesn't panic, escapability, but the ability to find space and keep his eyes down field. You can stick your head in the sand or look at the box score and try to rationalize it in your head all you want, he had a really, really good game. 21 year old baby and he had complete control. Darnold is legit. Not saying a word about Barkley or who we should have drafted or anythign else, just stating what everyone who actually watched, saw.
Legit to me means he was worth the 3rd overall pick. I don't think that has been proven yet, at least to me. Now legit may mean something different to you and that is fine of course.
Legit to me that Darnold was worth the 3rd overall pick was based on his college performance and the general consensus of scouting reports. His first game against Detroit did nothing to change that consensus; if anything, it just solidified it another notch.
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Confident, strong arm, doesn't panic, escapability, but the ability to find space and keep his eyes down field. You can stick your head in the sand or look at the box score and try to rationalize it in your head all you want, he had a really, really good game. 21 year old baby and he had complete control. Darnold is legit. Not saying a word about Barkley or who we should have drafted or anythign else, just stating what everyone who actually watched, saw.
Legit to me means he was worth the 3rd overall pick. I don't think that has been proven yet, at least to me. Now legit may mean something different to you and that is fine of course.
I understand where you are coming from and I understand a lot can happen and will happen with Darnold. We have to let his career unfold, but my comment is that he belongs. As of right now, he's proven that he was worth the #3 pick. He's shown that he has everything you want in a young QB.
And by the way, Barkley just rushed for 108 yds and a TD against the best defense in football.
Darnold is good. Barkley is good. Both players are very good and have 1 NFL game under their belts.
I wanted Barkley but would not have been upset with Darnold. I am and Eli Manning apologist. I wanted Eli to be our QB for the rest of his career and I am willing to take whatever comes our way in terms of wins and losses because of it. I believe the whole NY Giants organization feels the same way or they wouldn't have drafted Barkley.
For the record, I was very happy with our 2018 draft: Barkley, Hernandez, Carter and Lauletta were all guys I was hoping the Giants would draft and they did.
I am on record. Have a good day.
This was Darnold's first regular season game of his CAREER. For that, it was a VERY impressive outing no matter which way you slice it. People said that pre-season games don't count. Fine. Now, the regular season games don't count, too?
Uh huh.
It was a very good first outing. This will be talked about for years. But there's nothing wrong with pointing out this was a very good first outing for a 21 year old rookie on the road in primetime.
I wanted Barkley but would not have been upset with Darnold. I am and Eli Manning apologist. I wanted Eli to be our QB for the rest of his career and I am willing to take whatever comes our way in terms of wins and losses because of it.
Congratulations - this is a big step. Admitting you have a problem. It's the first step to recovery. More of your ilk - and believe me a lot of them are here in this thread - should take notice of your courage and follow in your path.
You should be an inspiration for all the Eli addicts! :)
And by the way, Barkley just rushed for 108 yds and a TD against the best defense in football.
If I had a nickle for every move, draft pick we didn't take, unsigned free agent, or cut that was going to "come back and haunt us" over the years, I wouldn't need winning lottery numbers.
In regards to quarterback only? Josh Freeman, RG3, Dak Prescott, all guys that were going to be hall of famers and murder us after one season. Even Andrew Luck to an extent, the sure fire first ballot HOF'er before he ever played a snap. The list is long.
Cool the jets.
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I wanted Barkley but would not have been upset with Darnold. I am and Eli Manning apologist. I wanted Eli to be our QB for the rest of his career and I am willing to take whatever comes our way in terms of wins and losses because of it.
Congratulations - this is a big step. Admitting you have a problem. It's the first step to recovery. More of your ilk - and believe me a lot of them are here in this thread - should take notice of your courage and follow in your path.
You should be an inspiration for all the Eli addicts! :)
FWIW, a lot of the people here who are Eli supporters wanted to draft Darnold over Barkley so your fucking snide comment has no merit like usual.
Eli Manning: 37 years old, $45M cap hit over the next 2 years
Sam Darnold: 21 years old, $30M cap hit over the next 4 years
Objectively, the Jets have a better QB situation than the Giants do - not next year or the year after, but right at this moment.
And Eli did not play well Sunday. He left points on the board and we lost. Our standards have really dropped after 5 years of dogshit football.
Agree, as does EE, the O line, and the coaches to someway get Barkley the ball in a little space
Jet's or Giants
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I wanted Barkley but would not have been upset with Darnold. I am and Eli Manning apologist. I wanted Eli to be our QB for the rest of his career and I am willing to take whatever comes our way in terms of wins and losses because of it.
Congratulations - this is a big step. Admitting you have a problem. It's the first step to recovery. More of your ilk - and believe me a lot of them are here in this thread - should take notice of your courage and follow in your path.
You should be an inspiration for all the Eli addicts! :)
bw,
I have been a Giants fan for 42 years. I have seen some bad teams, including last years team. This years team will be much better and I believe Eli has good football left in him. He does need a supporting cast, like a decent O line. The line needs to play much better if NYG is going to compete. Eli made some very nice throws on Sunday. He missed on a couple and was hurried on quite a few including the batted ball/ INT and the one where OBJ was open in the endzone down on the goalline.
I will agree that Eli will bear much of the blame for losses but I will say that our O line, like last year, was the main reason we lost that game.
Behind a good offensive line Eli can absolutely play at a high level. But this line isn't good. The math doesn't compute - it hasn't computed all offseason.
Oddly, I don't think Eli needs to be great to be the Cowboys. Just steady. Dallas has a legit D for sure, but they will concede yardage and aren't great at corner. So take what they give us, score a TD, add a FG or two and take the W.
And I have little doubt the pedestrian Dallas O - and that's being generous - will struggle to even get FG attempts in this game. They are putrid on that side of the ball...
Quite a few folks here said he'll be out of the league in a few years.
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Who said Darnold doesn't belong?
Quite a few folks here said he'll be out of the league in a few years.
Alright, I don't feel like going all the way back through the thread. Thanks for the response.
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Who said Darnold doesn't belong?
Quite a few folks here said he'll be out of the league in a few years.
Alright, I don't feel like going all the way back through the thread. Thanks for the response.
I'm not talking about this thread. I'm talking about posts from some leading into the draft this past offseason.
Eli Manning: 37 years old, $45M cap hit over the next 2 years
Sam Darnold: 21 years old, $30M cap hit over the next 4 years
Objectively, the Jets have a better QB situation than the Giants do - not next year or the year after, but right at this moment.
And Eli did not play well Sunday. He left points on the board and we lost. Our standards have really dropped after 5 years of dogshit football.
I think 'didn't play well' is overstating it a bit.
It's really more like 'didn't play like a 20m QB'. He played OK, missed a few throws he should have hit, made a few nice plays. IMO, where he struggled was with placement, it seems like if a few of his throws had been better thrown there would have been bigger gains, in addition to a few completions.
That would be nitpicking with most QBs in the league, but Eli's paid better than most QBs. The same spotlight is thrown onto Stafford, Ryan and other QBs who play OK but don't merit their paycheck on a regular basis.
Anyway, let's see what the season brings because if this is an indicator of things to come, I can't relive 2009-10 with these clowns.
But on a more Giant related topic - I thought the Hernandez pick supplemented the Barkley pick after my initial "we made a mistake" reaction. I have an 11 year old son who loves Eli Manning and the Giants so I do enjoy his innocence when rooting for Eli, Odell and his favorite players but I still get nervous with Eli under center.
I also think the stakes seem higher for the Giants. You have the Jets with Darnold with low expectations as far as record goes and is playing loose (I do agree with Dave in Hoboken that he was impressive as a rookie starting in prime time on the road). The Giants have a window that is small with Eli. However, they have Odell and Sequon long term so maybe the thinking with Dave Gettlemen and Shurmur is if this doesn't work out, the next QB has some potential great weapons. (Sheppard, Engram not bad as well). Continue building the o-line and we will see. If the Giants operated as the only team in the city, I would be patient but that other team is irritating.
We had a rare, but realistic, opportunity to completely blow up the roster and start a new project. It's what I would have done, but the front office opted not to. That's fine, but if I'm going to accept it I want to win now. No more excuses, no more rationalizations.
If we're going to go 8-8 with this team, we could just as easily have accomplished something similar with a younger team better situation for the long term. The route the front office chose - 8-8 isn't good enough.
We had a rare, but realistic, opportunity to completely blow up the roster and start a new project. It's what I would have done, but the front office opted not to. That's fine, but if I'm going to accept it I want to win now. No more excuses, no more rationalizations.
If we're going to go 8-8 with this team, we could just as easily have accomplished something similar with a younger team better situation for the long term. The route the front office chose - 8-8 isn't good enough.
Sticky this.
We had a rare, but realistic, opportunity to completely blow up the roster and start a new project. It's what I would have done, but the front office opted not to. That's fine, but if I'm going to accept it I want to win now. No more excuses, no more rationalizations.
If we're going to go 8-8 with this team, we could just as easily have accomplished something similar with a younger team better situation for the long term. The route the front office chose - 8-8 isn't good enough.
I wanted a QB for this reason at the time but I just think that the constant "told you so's" are too early both for Darnold and Barkley and for the Giants QB situation in general. Maybe they wind up with one of the top QB's in this year's draft or the following and that player turns out to be better than Darnold. It's certainly plausible but we'll have to wait and see.
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I might be nitpicking, and I love Eli, but I'm just tired of rationalizing for this team.
We had a rare, but realistic, opportunity to completely blow up the roster and start a new project. It's what I would have done, but the front office opted not to. That's fine, but if I'm going to accept it I want to win now. No more excuses, no more rationalizations.
If we're going to go 8-8 with this team, we could just as easily have accomplished something similar with a younger team better situation for the long term. The route the front office chose - 8-8 isn't good enough.
Sticky this.
I second this. Post of the Year.
This post was started by someone intending to make fun of Darnold for poor play. When that backfired we get the whining about why are we talking about Darnold everyones tired of it.
He was on the road.
On Monday Night Football.
An initially raucous crowd (until he silenced them)
Vs a team that was 9-7 last season with a defense that delivered 5 sacks and 8 QB hits vs the Giants last year and has an excellent pass rusher in Ziggy Ansha (Lions actually had 2 early sacks- 1 by Ansah)
He is on an untalented offense and a team that went 4-12 last season
He opens with a pick 6 (on a designed play, not his decision) and a crazy crowd
Then he delivers that performance.
It was incredibly impressive.
He made plays with his feet, his arm, his head. He looked like a veteran QB. He was composed, unrattled and in command.
His team just didnt make plays for him, he led that comeback. The turnovers, the special teams etc started happening in the 3rd after Darnold delivered 11 of 14 and 2 TD drives including his 40+ yard bomb. Those big plays by others made it a rout and piled on.
This is after Darnold walked into the preseason and played so well and beat out a very good Teddy Bridgewater, that the league had a lot of interest in and McCown to earn that starting job. They traded Bridgewater out of their confidence in Darnold and all that he did in preseason and not just the games.
To compare: Eli Mannings 1st start was at the age of 23, in week 11, so had weeks to learn, on a 5-4 team with Tiki Barber, Amani Toomer & Jeremy Shockey. He was at home. He was vs Atlanta.
He was 17 of 37 for 162 yards and 1 TD and 2 INT in a 14-10 loss.
Roethlisbergers 1st start was a 12 for 20 176 yard 2 TD 2 INT in a 30-13 loss to the Ravens.
Peyton was a 21 of 37 for 302 yards with a TD and 3 INT game in a 25-15 loss to Miami at home.
Rodgers was in his 3rd year iat 24 n week 13 of 10-2 team and he was 18 of 26 for 201 yards and a TD and took 3 sacks in a 37-27 loss to Dallas.
This is not easy for any QB in their first game.
What Darnold did was extraordinarily impressive.
The Jets have Robbie Anderson who has a very high ceiling. They also have Crowell and Powell at RB who make up one oft he better tandems in the league.They aren't a star-studded team, but they aren't untalented either.
On the flip side, many analysts speculated that the Lions would struggle this year. 10 out of the top 12 season predictions had them last in the division this year. They are weak in the secondary and outside of Ansah, they struggle to rush the passer.
Using the way they played against the Giants last year means dick. Heck, you are basically using last year to say that the Lions will be good and the Jets bad.
He was on the road.
On Monday Night Football.
An initially raucous crowd (until he silenced them)
Vs a team that was 9-7 last season with a defense that delivered 5 sacks and 8 QB hits vs the Giants last year and has an excellent pass rusher in Ziggy Ansha (Lions actually had 2 early sacks- 1 by Ansah)
He is on an untalented offense and a team that went 4-12 last season
He opens with a pick 6 (on a designed play, not his decision) and a crazy crowd
Then he delivers that performance.
It was incredibly impressive.
He made plays with his feet, his arm, his head. He looked like a veteran QB. He was composed, unrattled and in command.
His team just didnt make plays for him, he led that comeback. The turnovers, the special teams etc started happening in the 3rd after Darnold delivered 11 of 14 and 2 TD drives including his 40+ yard bomb. Those big plays by others made it a rout and piled on.
This is after Darnold walked into the preseason and played so well and beat out a very good Teddy Bridgewater, that the league had a lot of interest in and McCown to earn that starting job. They traded Bridgewater out of their confidence in Darnold and all that he did in preseason and not just the games.
To compare: Eli Mannings 1st start was at the age of 23, in week 11, so had weeks to learn, on a 5-4 team with Tiki Barber, Amani Toomer & Jeremy Shockey. He was at home. He was vs Atlanta.
He was 17 of 37 for 162 yards and 1 TD and 2 INT in a 14-10 loss.
Roethlisbergers 1st start was a 12 for 20 176 yard 2 TD 2 INT in a 30-13 loss to the Ravens.
Peyton was a 21 of 37 for 302 yards with a TD and 3 INT game in a 25-15 loss to Miami at home.
Rodgers was in his 3rd year iat 24 n week 13 of 10-2 team and he was 18 of 26 for 201 yards and a TD and took 3 sacks in a 37-27 loss to Dallas.
This is not easy for any QB in their first game.
What Darnold did was extraordinarily impressive.
Great post.
You read this thread and people are acting like Darnold had world beaters going in and everyone knows the Lions are worst team ever
That wasnt the case.
In fact a few weeks ago BBI was pretty overjoyed at Davis Webbs performance against this near playoff team last year.
I was even called out on pointing out how Ogletree got toasted on coverage but dont worry because Riddick is so awesome.
The point is- going in- this was a tough spot for a 1st ever game
He was on the road.
On Monday Night Football.
An initially raucous crowd (until he silenced them)
Vs a team that was 9-7 last season with a defense that delivered 5 sacks and 8 QB hits vs the Giants last year and has an excellent pass rusher in Ziggy Ansha (Lions actually had 2 early sacks- 1 by Ansah)
He is on an untalented offense and a team that went 4-12 last season
He opens with a pick 6 (on a designed play, not his decision) and a crazy crowd
Then he delivers that performance.
It was incredibly impressive.
He made plays with his feet, his arm, his head. He looked like a veteran QB. He was composed, unrattled and in command.
His team just didnt make plays for him, he led that comeback. The turnovers, the special teams etc started happening in the 3rd after Darnold delivered 11 of 14 and 2 TD drives including his 40+ yard bomb. Those big plays by others made it a rout and piled on.
You have to be a bit fairer here, and I desperately wanted a QB with the #2 pick, because the Jets just played an outstanding team game for a team W. When you get a defensive pick six and a special teams TD, your team wins well over 90% of the games. Those are immense game breakers...
The key to the game was this - after the pick six, the Jets held the Lions to a 3 and out. That led to the 55 yard punt return by Martin. Darnold made a key third and six, which led to a first and goal 6 yard TD run by Crowell. That was an adrenaline shot for the entire team. And from there they just played faster, quicker, and more urgently than the Lions...
We had a rare, but realistic, opportunity to completely blow up the roster and start a new project. It's what I would have done, but the front office opted not to. That's fine, but if I'm going to accept it I want to win now. No more excuses, no more rationalizations.
If we're going to go 8-8 with this team, we could just as easily have accomplished something similar with a younger team better situation for the long term. The route the front office chose - 8-8 isn't good enough.
Yes, agree here. I would say, we need to see a team that can contend, for the playoffs, for the division and yes the ring. I have seen Superbowl or bust from Eli homers, but thats the type of black/white nonsense you have to filter out. If the Giants are passing up the QB at #2 it shouldn't be to be mediocre, it should be to contend for the playoffs.
Darnold had already looked excellent long before those plays ever occurred.
Patricia may not be long for that team, but the players there have got a lot of balls bitching about culture coming off three years where they haven't won 10 games, and considering none of them has even won a playoff game there.
The culture there is a losing one. Patricia should be trying to change it.
Darnold had already looked excellent long before those plays ever occurred.
Eh... when the Jets were up 41-17, their offense had crossed midfield on a scoring drive a grand total of ONE time. Darnold played a solid game, but all facets of the Lions played abominably.
Darnold had already looked excellent long before those plays ever occurred.
It was still a team win. The Jets returned a punt over 40 yards which set up their first TD (rushing one), then Stafford proceeded to throw ints on their next two possessions. The Jets punted on their next one and then the 40 td put them up 17-7. That ball was underthrown and should've been intercepted. I'm not sure how anyone could dispute that.
The first drive in the second half was the best one imo. After that Stafford threw a pick 6, went 3 and out and the Jets returned the punt for a TD so it's safe to say the game was over at that point.
Darnold played well and was poised and in control especially for a rookie qb making his first ever start but reading this thread you'd think he threw for 400+ yards like Cam Newton did in his debut. He had some very good moments and also some not so good ones. He got away with one on the long TD pass and one or two other times where he threw behind guys (there was a dropped int in the first half as well if i remember correctly). If that ball was picked the narrative completely changes despite the final score. Here it is:
He also got a lot of help in the form of a running game that before the Crowell TD was averaging nearly 6 ypc and he had 3.26 seconds to throw the ball which was good for 2nd amongst starting qbs in week 1. It was a dominant performance from the Jets and the Lions looked like they didn't want to be there.
I know what you're referring to and the safety had no shot at catching up to Anderson at that point. The throw didn't need to be perfect because the defender couldn't track the ball and turned his head too late. I mean it literally went through his hands.
I don't know what pressure you're referring to. They were rushing 3, none of which got any push at all for the 6 seconds he had to throw and while he did a nice job other times of avoiding pressure, he didn't there (and didn't need to). And for what it's worth, that was the only tight window throw he made all game and it should've at the very least been an easy pbu.
We will see in the coming weeks though. Unless the Jets line suddenly turned into a healthy Dallas, he'll have to make those tight window throws against Jax, Denver, Minny and Chicago.
Now people acting like they are the 0-16 Browns
Like I said above, Darnold was impressive, but using Detroit's 2017 season as an indication isn't doing any favors to anyone.
Like I said above, Darnold was impressive, but using Detroit's 2017 season as an indication isn't doing any favors to anyone.
Like I said, a rookie QBs first ever game at 21 on tbe road in the home opener on prime time as an underdog vs a team that was good last year
Thats what he was up against. Its damn impressive to play the wAy he did