For a Jets fan, this must be "bust out the champagne" time.
What else do you guys have but occasional good regular season games? Not much else.
Wait.... For a 450 post thread, admittedly I didn't watch the game, all of this is over a 16 completion, 200 yard passing performance? That started with a pick 6?
Sanchez started his first regular season NFL game against the Houston Texans on September 13, 2009, throwing his first touchdown pass, a 30-yard reception, to wide receiver Chansi Stuckey. Sanchez and the Jets won the game 247, with Sanchez throwing for 272 yards, a touchdown, and an interception.
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In his first regular season game against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Smith completed 24-of-38 passes for 256 yards and a touchdown. With only a few seconds left in the fourth quarter, Smith was hit out of bounds by Lavonte David, which drew a late hit penalty and the Jets went on to score the game-winning field goal.
The Jets faced the Atlanta Falcons on Monday Night Football in Week 5; Smith completed 16 of his 20 passes for 199 yards and three touchdowns.[72] He completed all four of his passes on the Jets' final drive
We don't know, and we won't know, for awhile. The hype this guy gets, on this board (a GIANTS board), is crazy right now.
I get it, you (figuratively) wanted him. Are we really going to do this every week until he either fulfills your prophecy or busts and makes you (figuratively) shut up about it?
We don't know, and we won't know, for awhile. The hype this guy gets, on this board (a GIANTS board), is crazy right now.
I get it, you (figuratively) wanted him. Are we really going to do this every week until he either fulfills your prophecy or busts and makes you (figuratively) shut up about it?
I think 2 things can exist:
1. Barkley looks to have HOF potential & I cant aaif to watch him play each week.
2. Darnold looks the part.
Sam Darnold was very impressive in his rookie debut...
...he was agile, mobile, threw with accuracy and authority, and he seemed very much in command.
Even his ill-advised pick six toss was impressive for how he escaped danger to get himself in position to throw that ball in the first place.
My only question is: Why are there BBIers who must view the Darnold/Barkley Draft as a zero sum game?
I personally believe the right strategic move was to draft Darnold.
But who gives a shit?
The Giants made their choice and -- if nothing else -- we should all enjoy the amazing running back we have in Saquon Barkley. He is going to make the unbelievable rather mundane.
He is that good... and he will win ball games for us!
And people are were concerned about the I told you so
Yeah, it's only one game, but he looks and acts the part. No one really believed that with Sanchez and definitely not Gino.
Darnold will certainly struggle in games this year, but you can see that he can be a real good NFL QB.
People poo pooing his performance and his potential already have their minds made up on him. The bottom line is - there is a Very good chance Giants passed on a Franchise QB.
RE: And people are were concerned about the I told you so
Confident, strong arm, doesn't panic, escapability, but the ability to find space and keep his eyes down field. You can stick your head in the sand or look at the box score and try to rationalize it in your head all you want, he had a really, really good game. 21 year old baby and he had complete control. Darnold is legit. Not saying a word about Barkley or who we should have drafted or anythign else, just stating what everyone who actually watched, saw.
last night was the pick six. He instantly had adversity, and on the road.
From their he showed some real moxy and made plays. It was a very auspicious start. Obviously the next step is parlaying this into consistency.
On the other hand, he was very fortunate that his team scored a special teams TD and a defensive TD. And the D created another three turnovers. A lot went right...
last night was the pick six. He instantly had adversity, and on the road.
From their he showed some real moxy and made plays. It was a very auspicious start. Obviously the next step is parlaying this into consistency.
On the other hand, he was very fortunate that his team scored a special teams TD and a defensive TD. And the D created another three turnovers. A lot went right...
Yep, and a lot went wrong...for Detroit. He's not going to have it that easy most weeks. Detroit looked lost and terrible. He's going to hit a rough patch at some point, but there is no denying that this kid has what it takes.
Confident, strong arm, doesn't panic, escapability, but the ability to find space and keep his eyes down field. You can stick your head in the sand or look at the box score and try to rationalize it in your head all you want, he had a really, really good game. 21 year old baby and he had complete control. Darnold is legit. Not saying a word about Barkley or who we should have drafted or anythign else, just stating what everyone who actually watched, saw.
Legit to me means he was worth the 3rd overall pick. I don't think that has been proven yet, at least to me. Now legit may mean something different to you and that is fine of course.
Confident, strong arm, doesn't panic, escapability, but the ability to find space and keep his eyes down field. You can stick your head in the sand or look at the box score and try to rationalize it in your head all you want, he had a really, really good game. 21 year old baby and he had complete control. Darnold is legit. Not saying a word about Barkley or who we should have drafted or anythign else, just stating what everyone who actually watched, saw.
Legit to me means he was worth the 3rd overall pick. I don't think that has been proven yet, at least to me. Now legit may mean something different to you and that is fine of course.
Legit to me that Darnold was worth the 3rd overall pick was based on his college performance and the general consensus of scouting reports. His first game against Detroit did nothing to change that consensus; if anything, it just solidified it another notch.
Confident, strong arm, doesn't panic, escapability, but the ability to find space and keep his eyes down field. You can stick your head in the sand or look at the box score and try to rationalize it in your head all you want, he had a really, really good game. 21 year old baby and he had complete control. Darnold is legit. Not saying a word about Barkley or who we should have drafted or anythign else, just stating what everyone who actually watched, saw.
Legit to me means he was worth the 3rd overall pick. I don't think that has been proven yet, at least to me. Now legit may mean something different to you and that is fine of course.
I understand where you are coming from and I understand a lot can happen and will happen with Darnold. We have to let his career unfold, but my comment is that he belongs. As of right now, he's proven that he was worth the #3 pick. He's shown that he has everything you want in a young QB.
Think about how many QB's have a good game or two, or 6, then drop off. Hell Josh Freeman had a decent year. Just because he threw for 198 yds against a horrible Lions team doesn't tell everything. Lets see in a few years if he's another USC Sanchez or another Eli.
And by the way, Barkley just rushed for 108 yds and a TD against the best defense in football.
Darnold is good. Barkley is good. Both players are very good and have 1 NFL game under their belts.
I wanted Barkley but would not have been upset with Darnold. I am and Eli Manning apologist. I wanted Eli to be our QB for the rest of his career and I am willing to take whatever comes our way in terms of wins and losses because of it. I believe the whole NY Giants organization feels the same way or they wouldn't have drafted Barkley.
For the record, I was very happy with our 2018 draft: Barkley, Hernandez, Carter and Lauletta were all guys I was hoping the Giants would draft and they did.
I am on record. Have a good day.
People are acting like we are talking about a 10 year vet or
This was Darnold's first regular season game of his CAREER. For that, it was a VERY impressive outing no matter which way you slice it. People said that pre-season games don't count. Fine. Now, the regular season games don't count, too?
Uh huh.
It was a very good first outing. This will be talked about for years. But there's nothing wrong with pointing out this was a very good first outing for a 21 year old rookie on the road in primetime.
I wanted Barkley but would not have been upset with Darnold. I am and Eli Manning apologist. I wanted Eli to be our QB for the rest of his career and I am willing to take whatever comes our way in terms of wins and losses because of it.
Congratulations - this is a big step. Admitting you have a problem. It's the first step to recovery. More of your ilk - and believe me a lot of them are here in this thread - should take notice of your courage and follow in your path.
You should be an inspiration for all the Eli addicts! :)
Think about how many QB's have a good game or two, or 6, then drop off. Hell Josh Freeman had a decent year. Just because he threw for 198 yds against a horrible Lions team doesn't tell everything. Lets see in a few years if he's another USC Sanchez or another Eli.
And by the way, Barkley just rushed for 108 yds and a TD against the best defense in football.
If I had a nickle for every move, draft pick we didn't take, unsigned free agent, or cut that was going to "come back and haunt us" over the years, I wouldn't need winning lottery numbers.
In regards to quarterback only? Josh Freeman, RG3, Dak Prescott, all guys that were going to be hall of famers and murder us after one season. Even Andrew Luck to an extent, the sure fire first ballot HOF'er before he ever played a snap. The list is long.
I wanted Barkley but would not have been upset with Darnold. I am and Eli Manning apologist. I wanted Eli to be our QB for the rest of his career and I am willing to take whatever comes our way in terms of wins and losses because of it.
Congratulations - this is a big step. Admitting you have a problem. It's the first step to recovery. More of your ilk - and believe me a lot of them are here in this thread - should take notice of your courage and follow in your path.
You should be an inspiration for all the Eli addicts! :)
FWIW, a lot of the people here who are Eli supporters wanted to draft Darnold over Barkley so your fucking snide comment has no merit like usual.
and ability to create plays on the run was much better than I thought. He managed to create quite a few plays last night after the play broke down. I think we're going to see more and more of that in QB play in the future. Not that you have to be Michael Vick, but certainly the ability to extend the play, which this kid apparently has.
To me, how well Darnold or Barkley plays in no indictment on the Giants. Picking a QB is a crapshoot, no one knows. Barkley was universally considered the best player in the draft. The issue is Eli, we said a statistical outlier game was evidence the Eli still has "it". Eli needs to be more than a game manager for neglecting to draft a QB last year to be acceptable.I was encouraged by what I saw from Eli yesterday. However, I need to see him make a game winning throw, one we can point to and say..."Yeah, that throw was money, Eli doesn't make that throw we lose that game" That was winnable game on Sunday.
The Jaguars were number 2 in the NFL for opposing QB rating of 72.7 in 2017, their D looks to be better this year. This is why I was encouraged. Encouraged does not equal sold. The game against Dallas is going to tell us much. We need to win this game, Eli needs to deliver.
The Jaguars were number 2 in the NFL for opposing QB rating of 72.7 in 2017, their D looks to be better this year. This is why I was encouraged. Encouraged does not equal sold. The game against Dallas is going to tell us much. We need to win this game, Eli needs to deliver.
Agree, as does EE, the O line, and the coaches to someway get Barkley the ball in a little space
I wanted Barkley but would not have been upset with Darnold. I am and Eli Manning apologist. I wanted Eli to be our QB for the rest of his career and I am willing to take whatever comes our way in terms of wins and losses because of it.
Congratulations - this is a big step. Admitting you have a problem. It's the first step to recovery. More of your ilk - and believe me a lot of them are here in this thread - should take notice of your courage and follow in your path.
You should be an inspiration for all the Eli addicts! :)
bw,
I have been a Giants fan for 42 years. I have seen some bad teams, including last years team. This years team will be much better and I believe Eli has good football left in him. He does need a supporting cast, like a decent O line. The line needs to play much better if NYG is going to compete. Eli made some very nice throws on Sunday. He missed on a couple and was hurried on quite a few including the batted ball/ INT and the one where OBJ was open in the endzone down on the goalline.
I will agree that Eli will bear much of the blame for losses but I will say that our O line, like last year, was the main reason we lost that game.
I agree - the line absolutely was the main reason for the loss. That's part of what makes going forward with Eli a vexing decision.
Behind a good offensive line Eli can absolutely play at a high level. But this line isn't good. The math doesn't compute - it hasn't computed all offseason.
The Jaguars were number 2 in the NFL for opposing QB rating of 72.7 in 2017, their D looks to be better this year. This is why I was encouraged. Encouraged does not equal sold. The game against Dallas is going to tell us much. We need to win this game, Eli needs to deliver.
Oddly, I don't think Eli needs to be great to be the Cowboys. Just steady. Dallas has a legit D for sure, but they will concede yardage and aren't great at corner. So take what they give us, score a TD, add a FG or two and take the W.
And I have little doubt the pedestrian Dallas O - and that's being generous - will struggle to even get FG attempts in this game. They are putrid on that side of the ball...
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Worth the second overall pick for sure...
Well that didn't age well
since...
16/20, 198 yards, 2 touchdowns 48-17 Jets
For a Jets fan, this must be "bust out the champagne" time.
What else do you guys have but occasional good regular season games? Not much else.
Wait.... For a 450 post thread, admittedly I didn't watch the game, all of this is over a 16 completion, 200 yard passing performance? That started with a pick 6?
Were those the final numbers?
The Jets faced the Atlanta Falcons on Monday Night Football in Week 5; Smith completed 16 of his 20 passes for 199 yards and three touchdowns.[72] He completed all four of his passes on the Jets' final drive
The way he recovered after that pick 6 was very Eli like. His demeanor was very impressive. How he handled the pocket was very impressive.
He looks the part.
We don't know, and we won't know, for awhile. The hype this guy gets, on this board (a GIANTS board), is crazy right now.
I get it, you (figuratively) wanted him. Are we really going to do this every week until he either fulfills your prophecy or busts and makes you (figuratively) shut up about it?
We don't know, and we won't know, for awhile. The hype this guy gets, on this board (a GIANTS board), is crazy right now.
I get it, you (figuratively) wanted him. Are we really going to do this every week until he either fulfills your prophecy or busts and makes you (figuratively) shut up about it?
I think 2 things can exist:
1. Barkley looks to have HOF potential & I cant aaif to watch him play each week.
2. Darnold looks the part.
...he was agile, mobile, threw with accuracy and authority, and he seemed very much in command.
Even his ill-advised pick six toss was impressive for how he escaped danger to get himself in position to throw that ball in the first place.
My only question is: Why are there BBIers who must view the Darnold/Barkley Draft as a zero sum game?
I personally believe the right strategic move was to draft Darnold.
But who gives a shit?
The Giants made their choice and -- if nothing else -- we should all enjoy the amazing running back we have in Saquon Barkley. He is going to make the unbelievable rather mundane.
He is that good... and he will win ball games for us!
Yep
Btw, JStweart is averaging 4ypc. I told you he wasn't finished! 😄
Right?
Many of us preferred Darnold, others Rosen, etc...
Giants pick was hardly a shocker and clearly not a knee jerk decision. Odds are, Barkley has a higher HOF likelihood than other players picked.
It's done. If you're a Giant fan, not worth bitching over. We knew the warts on each QB.
Adding to a negative atmosphere helps the Giants, how?
Darnold will certainly struggle in games this year, but you can see that he can be a real good NFL QB.
People poo pooing his performance and his potential already have their minds made up on him. The bottom line is - there is a Very good chance Giants passed on a Franchise QB.
Is that to me? Eli had a pretty damned good game yesterday. You seen an I told you so from me?
Barkley had a franchise record debut. Heard I told you so from me?
No. I'm just watching and letting it all play out. I'm encouraged. That's it.
And now he is causing a RB controversy over who should start...
The tape will now begin growing on Sammy so lets see if he has a strong learning curve...
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comments? I think that goes both ways...
Is that to me? Eli had a pretty damned good game yesterday. You seen an I told you so from me?
Barkley had a franchise record debut. Heard I told you so from me?
No. I'm just watching and letting it all play out. I'm encouraged. That's it.
Hmm "pretty damn good game" no tds and pick 6 to end game....wouldnt say a damn good game ..mediocre more like.
Sounds like the entire Jets team had a pretty good game, too. Five INT's is a lot. 3 Defensive and Special Teams TD's. 170 rushing yards.
A bit defensive this am?? It wasnt you but not hard to find the defenders of the faithful. They show up every day...
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comments? I think that goes both ways...
Is that to me? Eli had a pretty damned good game yesterday. You seen an I told you so from me?
Barkley had a franchise record debut. Heard I told you so from me?
No. I'm just watching and letting it all play out. I'm encouraged. That's it.
Hmm "pretty damn good game" no tds and pick 6 to end game....wouldnt say a damn good game ..mediocre more like.
Give it a rest already. Not getting into it with you. You have your opinion of it and I have mine. Not worth it.
E.X.A.C.T.L.Y.
From their he showed some real moxy and made plays. It was a very auspicious start. Obviously the next step is parlaying this into consistency.
On the other hand, he was very fortunate that his team scored a special teams TD and a defensive TD. And the D created another three turnovers. A lot went right...
From their he showed some real moxy and made plays. It was a very auspicious start. Obviously the next step is parlaying this into consistency.
On the other hand, he was very fortunate that his team scored a special teams TD and a defensive TD. And the D created another three turnovers. A lot went right...
Yep, and a lot went wrong...for Detroit. He's not going to have it that easy most weeks. Detroit looked lost and terrible. He's going to hit a rough patch at some point, but there is no denying that this kid has what it takes.
Legit to me means he was worth the 3rd overall pick. I don't think that has been proven yet, at least to me. Now legit may mean something different to you and that is fine of course.
Of course, Jax is a very talented team and the Lions are trash, so there's not much to get from that first outing.
Of course, Jax is a very talented team and the Lions are trash, so there's not much to get from that first outing.
👍
As you said, a first game is a first game for both rooks.
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Confident, strong arm, doesn't panic, escapability, but the ability to find space and keep his eyes down field. You can stick your head in the sand or look at the box score and try to rationalize it in your head all you want, he had a really, really good game. 21 year old baby and he had complete control. Darnold is legit. Not saying a word about Barkley or who we should have drafted or anythign else, just stating what everyone who actually watched, saw.
Legit to me means he was worth the 3rd overall pick. I don't think that has been proven yet, at least to me. Now legit may mean something different to you and that is fine of course.
Legit to me that Darnold was worth the 3rd overall pick was based on his college performance and the general consensus of scouting reports. His first game against Detroit did nothing to change that consensus; if anything, it just solidified it another notch.
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Confident, strong arm, doesn't panic, escapability, but the ability to find space and keep his eyes down field. You can stick your head in the sand or look at the box score and try to rationalize it in your head all you want, he had a really, really good game. 21 year old baby and he had complete control. Darnold is legit. Not saying a word about Barkley or who we should have drafted or anythign else, just stating what everyone who actually watched, saw.
Legit to me means he was worth the 3rd overall pick. I don't think that has been proven yet, at least to me. Now legit may mean something different to you and that is fine of course.
I understand where you are coming from and I understand a lot can happen and will happen with Darnold. We have to let his career unfold, but my comment is that he belongs. As of right now, he's proven that he was worth the #3 pick. He's shown that he has everything you want in a young QB.
And by the way, Barkley just rushed for 108 yds and a TD against the best defense in football.
Darnold is good. Barkley is good. Both players are very good and have 1 NFL game under their belts.
I wanted Barkley but would not have been upset with Darnold. I am and Eli Manning apologist. I wanted Eli to be our QB for the rest of his career and I am willing to take whatever comes our way in terms of wins and losses because of it. I believe the whole NY Giants organization feels the same way or they wouldn't have drafted Barkley.
For the record, I was very happy with our 2018 draft: Barkley, Hernandez, Carter and Lauletta were all guys I was hoping the Giants would draft and they did.
I am on record. Have a good day.
This was Darnold's first regular season game of his CAREER. For that, it was a VERY impressive outing no matter which way you slice it. People said that pre-season games don't count. Fine. Now, the regular season games don't count, too?
Uh huh.
It was a very good first outing. This will be talked about for years. But there's nothing wrong with pointing out this was a very good first outing for a 21 year old rookie on the road in primetime.
I wanted Barkley but would not have been upset with Darnold. I am and Eli Manning apologist. I wanted Eli to be our QB for the rest of his career and I am willing to take whatever comes our way in terms of wins and losses because of it.
Congratulations - this is a big step. Admitting you have a problem. It's the first step to recovery. More of your ilk - and believe me a lot of them are here in this thread - should take notice of your courage and follow in your path.
You should be an inspiration for all the Eli addicts! :)
And by the way, Barkley just rushed for 108 yds and a TD against the best defense in football.
If I had a nickle for every move, draft pick we didn't take, unsigned free agent, or cut that was going to "come back and haunt us" over the years, I wouldn't need winning lottery numbers.
In regards to quarterback only? Josh Freeman, RG3, Dak Prescott, all guys that were going to be hall of famers and murder us after one season. Even Andrew Luck to an extent, the sure fire first ballot HOF'er before he ever played a snap. The list is long.
Cool the jets.
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I wanted Barkley but would not have been upset with Darnold. I am and Eli Manning apologist. I wanted Eli to be our QB for the rest of his career and I am willing to take whatever comes our way in terms of wins and losses because of it.
Congratulations - this is a big step. Admitting you have a problem. It's the first step to recovery. More of your ilk - and believe me a lot of them are here in this thread - should take notice of your courage and follow in your path.
You should be an inspiration for all the Eli addicts! :)
FWIW, a lot of the people here who are Eli supporters wanted to draft Darnold over Barkley so your fucking snide comment has no merit like usual.
Eli Manning: 37 years old, $45M cap hit over the next 2 years
Sam Darnold: 21 years old, $30M cap hit over the next 4 years
Objectively, the Jets have a better QB situation than the Giants do - not next year or the year after, but right at this moment.
And Eli did not play well Sunday. He left points on the board and we lost. Our standards have really dropped after 5 years of dogshit football.
Agree, as does EE, the O line, and the coaches to someway get Barkley the ball in a little space
Jet's or Giants
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I wanted Barkley but would not have been upset with Darnold. I am and Eli Manning apologist. I wanted Eli to be our QB for the rest of his career and I am willing to take whatever comes our way in terms of wins and losses because of it.
Congratulations - this is a big step. Admitting you have a problem. It's the first step to recovery. More of your ilk - and believe me a lot of them are here in this thread - should take notice of your courage and follow in your path.
You should be an inspiration for all the Eli addicts! :)
bw,
I have been a Giants fan for 42 years. I have seen some bad teams, including last years team. This years team will be much better and I believe Eli has good football left in him. He does need a supporting cast, like a decent O line. The line needs to play much better if NYG is going to compete. Eli made some very nice throws on Sunday. He missed on a couple and was hurried on quite a few including the batted ball/ INT and the one where OBJ was open in the endzone down on the goalline.
I will agree that Eli will bear much of the blame for losses but I will say that our O line, like last year, was the main reason we lost that game.
Behind a good offensive line Eli can absolutely play at a high level. But this line isn't good. The math doesn't compute - it hasn't computed all offseason.
Oddly, I don't think Eli needs to be great to be the Cowboys. Just steady. Dallas has a legit D for sure, but they will concede yardage and aren't great at corner. So take what they give us, score a TD, add a FG or two and take the W.
And I have little doubt the pedestrian Dallas O - and that's being generous - will struggle to even get FG attempts in this game. They are putrid on that side of the ball...