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WeekendLife56 : 9/10/2018 10:44 pm
Not an Eli bash thread please....Who are the guys I should pay attention to..
Grier, Herbert...
Fair  
Anakim : 9/10/2018 10:52 pm : link
Herbert is my QB1
Grier is my QB2
Drew Lock of Missouri is my QB3


And as far as other guys to pay attention to, Stidham of Auburn, Finley of NC State, Thorson of Northwestern, Shea Patterson of Michigan, Brian Lewerke of Michigan State, Daniel Jones of Duke...


You could also pay attention to Jake Bentley of South Carolina
I’m not a Herbert guy...  
bw in dc : 9/10/2018 11:02 pm : link
I think Grier is a player for sure. A real playmaker.

Watched Finley against JMU and he looked very solid with his mechanics. Granted, JMU is 1-AA but they are a 1-AA powerhouse and have pro prospects on that team. Two undrafted seniors last year made NFL rosters for this NFL season.

Lock is talented and can really sling it around. Want to see how he does against Georgia and Alabama in October. Will be a great gauge.

I’m fond of Stidham, too. In very good hands with Gus M and had been productive in big SEC games. This is a big year for him.

Look, he’s small but you’ve got to love McSorley. Guy is just tough and always makes plays. If he was 6’2” he’d be a first rounder...

Grier  
Breeze_94 : 9/10/2018 11:06 pm : link
hands down. Looks like an Aaron Rodgers clone although that air raid offense worries me a bit.

Love the way he can make any throw and fit the ball into a a 6 inch window. Plus he has a great ability to extend the play but he never looks to run.

I went to WVU so I might be biased, but this guy is also better than any QB I've seen there, and it's by a long shot.
RE: Grier  
bw in dc : 9/10/2018 11:10 pm : link
In comment 14070829 Breeze_94 said:
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hands down. Looks like an Aaron Rodgers clone although that air raid offense worries me a bit.

Love the way he can make any throw and fit the ball into a a 6 inch window. Plus he has a great ability to extend the play but he never looks to run.

I went to WVU so I might be biased, but this guy is also better than any QB I've seen there, and it's by a long shot.


Good WR prospect in Jennings, too.
RE: RE: Grier  
Breeze_94 : 9/10/2018 11:15 pm : link
In comment 14070838 bw in dc said:
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In comment 14070829 Breeze_94 said:


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hands down. Looks like an Aaron Rodgers clone although that air raid offense worries me a bit.

Love the way he can make any throw and fit the ball into a a 6 inch window. Plus he has a great ability to extend the play but he never looks to run.

I went to WVU so I might be biased, but this guy is also better than any QB I've seen there, and it's by a long shot.



Good WR prospect in Jennings, too.


Sills as well. They also have a couple guys behind them who will be talked about in 2019.
RE: Grier  
GoBlue6599 : 9/10/2018 11:20 pm : link
In comment 14070829 Breeze_94 said:
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hands down. Looks like an Aaron Rodgers clone although that air raid offense worries me a bit.

Love the way he can make any throw and fit the ball into a a 6 inch window. Plus he has a great ability to extend the play but he never looks to run.

I went to WVU so I might be biased, but this guy is also better than any QB I've seen there, and it's by a long shot.
Caught the 2nd half of WV play UT man that Grier was impressive his accuracy and mobility are top notch
Tyree Jackson  
KWhite2250 : 9/10/2018 11:28 pm : link
Buffalo....dual threat...big boy.
RE: Tyree Jackson  
Anakim : 9/11/2018 12:21 am : link
In comment 14070862 KWhite2250 said:
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Buffalo....dual threat...big boy.


He's an interesting prospect for sure, as his WR Anthony Johnson
That's pretty good  
SB 42 and 46 and ? : 9/11/2018 1:26 am : link
Giants will show everyone why they drafted Barkley instead of a QB in the last draft by coming up with the 2nd pick again next year.
if the OL  
Giants : 9/11/2018 1:34 am : link
does not turn around. Giants might be drafting OL in round one and two
No they  
NikkiMac : 9/11/2018 4:43 am : link
Will be drafting a QB number 1 and OT number 2 I would think
Herbert  
jeff57 : 9/11/2018 6:16 am : link
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RE: Grier  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 9/11/2018 6:29 am : link
In comment 14070829 Breeze_94 said:
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hands down. Looks like an Aaron Rodgers clone although that air raid offense worries me a bit.

Love the way he can make any throw and fit the ball into a a 6 inch window. Plus he has a great ability to extend the play but he never looks to run.

I went to WVU so I might be biased, but this guy is also better than any QB I've seen there, and it's by a long shot.


Better than Jeff Hostetler?
Better Options  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 9/11/2018 6:31 am : link
I think I want to wait for Tua or Trevor Lawrence. Build the Ol first.
RE: Herbert  
Big Rick in FL : 9/11/2018 6:38 am : link
In comment 14070934 jeff57 said:
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Him or Grier. As of now it looks like a pretty strong QB class.

Herbert, Grier, Lewerke, Stidham, Lock & Finley.

Even Kyle Shurmur has looked really good this year. He's completing 68% of his passes with 4 TDs and 0 INTs. Probably should have 6-7 TDs if it wasn't for his receivers.
Here’s the best QB option:  
The_Boss : 9/11/2018 6:52 am : link
Wait until 2020 and 2021.

When we are in the top 10 again next spring, draft the best available pass rusher, OL, or CB.
After months of hoping for  
joeinpa : 9/11/2018 7:01 am : link
Best draft position possible to secure Sam Darnold; I don't have it in me to even consider whom they might draft as a quarterback next draft.

After last night those who convinced themselves none of the quarterbacks were worth the second pick, mostly because they were all in on Eli, will begin to have second thoughts.

It already began during the Jets game thread last night.
3 threads on college QB’s..  
Sean : 9/11/2018 7:02 am : link
my fear is the Giants overreach now for a franchise QB.
If we finish 8-8 it's not likely we have a shot at one  
Blue21 : 9/11/2018 7:17 am : link
of the top QB's in the draft. I can't even think about it.
Sean  
joeinpa : 9/11/2018 7:29 am : link
Bingo.
From what I saw last year  
UberAlias : 9/11/2018 8:14 am : link
They weren't going to draft a QB unless a perfect candidate was there (do they even exist?). Unless the thinking has changes, they'll find flaws in these guys too and talk themselves out.. Eli still has years left, etc.
Only Grier, the others, as far as Hebert and Lock,  
barens : 9/11/2018 8:32 am : link
would be majorly disappointed if either of those guys were our first round picks. I'd like to see Lock actually beat a decent SEC team first, Hebert can't stay healthy, and there's not nearly enough of a sample size for him(how many big games has he played in).

It's amazing, I thought this past year was an amazing QB draft, and for anyone pining for a first round pick QB next year, the cub bard is going to be bare.
RE: After months of hoping for  
barens : 9/11/2018 8:34 am : link
In comment 14070948 joeinpa said:
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Best draft position possible to secure Sam Darnold; I don't have it in me to even consider whom they might draft as a quarterback next draft.

After last night those who convinced themselves none of the quarterbacks were worth the second pick, mostly because they were all in on Eli, will begin to have second thoughts.

It already began during the Jets game thread last night.


It wasn't that they were all in on Eli, I think that the Giants brass convinced themselves that the QB crop just wasn't up to snuff. After watching Barkley tho, we did get a special player, can't argue that.
I'm not sure if he is coming out just yet...  
BronxBombers : 9/11/2018 11:47 am : link
but D. Haskins, Ohio State QB1 looks pretty great. i played Muirfield Village friday with a WR from about 20 years ago, said OSU finally has a pro style QB..and on the radio today, i heard them saying he has his team at the line of scrimmage ready to hike 20 seconds after the previous play ends...they are playing quick and in a pro offense...we will see after he plays TCU this weekend...

Grier wasnt amazing at FL, and he has beat 2 trash teams so far, I will wait and see with him after he plays a few good teams...and I am a Tennessee fan, we are garbage.
RE: I'm not sure if he is coming out just yet...  
barens : 9/11/2018 12:05 pm : link
In comment 14071313 BronxBombers said:
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but D. Haskins, Ohio State QB1 looks pretty great. i played Muirfield Village friday with a WR from about 20 years ago, said OSU finally has a pro style QB..and on the radio today, i heard them saying he has his team at the line of scrimmage ready to hike 20 seconds after the previous play ends...they are playing quick and in a pro offense...we will see after he plays TCU this weekend...

Grier wasnt amazing at FL, and he has beat 2 trash teams so far, I will wait and see with him after he plays a few good teams...and I am a Tennessee fan, we are garbage.


Grier was actually very good at Florida, and they ended up looking so much worse without him.

I don't care how bad you think Tennessee is, for West Virginia to put a beatdown on them is impressive. They are still an SEC team with NFL talent, and Grier looked like he belonged.
RE: I'm not sure if he is coming out just yet...  
bw in dc : 9/11/2018 12:14 pm : link
In comment 14071313 BronxBombers said:
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but D. Haskins, Ohio State QB1 looks pretty great. i played Muirfield Village friday with a WR from about 20 years ago, said OSU finally has a pro style QB..and on the radio today, i heard them saying he has his team at the line of scrimmage ready to hike 20 seconds after the previous play ends...they are playing quick and in a pro offense...we will see after he plays TCU this weekend...



I saw Haskins play at the Bullis School in Potomac, MD. We were considering sending our son there a two years ago. So we went to watch the football team play. Bullis play a spread offense and Haskins really looked the part. Athletic kid but very capable in the pocket. I think he's going to be the best pure passer Meyer has ever had.

So I think you are more than right in tabbing him as a future prospect...
RE: I'm not sure if he is coming out just yet...  
bw in dc : 9/11/2018 12:15 pm : link
In comment 14071313 BronxBombers said:
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but D. Haskins, Ohio State QB1 looks pretty great. i played Muirfield Village friday with a WR from about 20 years ago, said OSU finally has a pro style QB..and on the radio today, i heard them saying he has his team at the line of scrimmage ready to hike 20 seconds after the previous play ends...they are playing quick and in a pro offense...we will see after he plays TCU this weekend...



I saw Haskins play at the Bullis School in Potomac, MD. We were considering sending our son there a two years ago. So we went to watch the football team play. Bullis play a spread offense and Haskins really looked the part. Athletic kid but very capable in the pocket. I think he's going to be the best pure passer Meyer has ever had.

So I think you are more than right in tabbing him as a future prospect...
It’s not so simple  
lax counsel : 9/11/2018 4:14 pm : link
There will not be a worthy top 5 talent in the 2019 draft. Herbert and Froer May go round 1 simply out of positional value, but these guys are not on the level of talent as Darnold/Rosen/Mayfield/Allen. Finley and lock have NFL bust/backup written all over them and both are likely to be mid round picks.

Here’s the thing, it’s not easy to get your next franchise impacting qb under center. The Giants could have to wait many years, or heck even decades to get that guy. There are a myriad of teams that have gone through it. Even if the Giants tank a season, there may not be a guy worthy of a pick, like in 2013 and 2019. If the Giants go the way I believe- perpetual mediocrity- then they’ll have to find a willing trade partner to get up to the top of the draft, which may not be possible giving that there may not be a willing partner. Additionally, teams that have their qb tend not to be picking top 3.

It’s not a given that you snap your fingers and the next guy just appears. And no, it’s unlikely that the Giants will find a guy in the mid rounds, for those of you that haven’t learned your lesson from Nassib and Webb. This is the reason many of us wanted Sam Darnold. Think about how monumentally bad the Giants were to be in position to draft Eli in 2004 and have a shot at Darnold in 2018. That’s not happening again for a very long time, and both of those years aligned with drafts that may have produced multiple franchise qbs.

The reality that most fans need to face, and I think more are awakening to it, is simply that the Giants could very well be in a Brown/Graham/Kanell/Maddox type lull for many years, at which point OBJ and Barkley’s careers are likely on the downside if not long over.

By desparetely avoiding qb hell, DG May have placed the Giants smack dab in the middle. This team is not immune from qb purgatory.
Lax..  
bw in dc : 9/11/2018 4:25 pm : link
I'm telling you right now, don't sleep on Grier. He is the absolute real deal. If he stays on his current trajectory, he's going to be a legit top 5 pick and, IMV, more talented than Mayfield.
RE: Fair  
Scott in Montreal : 9/11/2018 4:27 pm : link
In comment 14070814 Anakim said:
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Thorson of Northwestern,



I am a huge Northwestern fan. Thorson is not the same since the injury. He does not look very good. He is not very mobile anymore and his play has been very hesitant. He looked terrible in the loss to Duke this past weekend.

Maybe he gets some confidence back but until then, it is a big no.

The next QB with some serious potential that will come out of Northwestern is Hunter Johnson is a few years.
Still not seeing a no-brainer QB in this class  
JonC : 9/11/2018 4:29 pm : link
no prospect of the caliber of Darnold et al. Grier has some Mayfield in him, but not enough to overdraft him. Fromm and Herbert have to back up their pedigree and are still youngsters.
RE: Still not seeing a no-brainer QB in this class  
bw in dc : 9/11/2018 4:32 pm : link
In comment 14071724 JonC said:
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no prospect of the caliber of Darnold et al. Grier has some Mayfield in him, but not enough to overdraft him. Fromm and Herbert have to back up their pedigree and are still youngsters.


FYI - Fromm will be eligible for the 2020 draft.
RE: It’s not so simple  
Strahan91 : 9/11/2018 5:00 pm : link
In comment 14071702 lax counsel said:
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There will not be a worthy top 5 talent in the 2019 draft. Herbert and Froer May go round 1 simply out of positional value, but these guys are not on the level of talent as Darnold/Rosen/Mayfield/Allen. Finley and lock have NFL bust/backup written all over them and both are likely to be mid round picks.

Here’s the thing, it’s not easy to get your next franchise impacting qb under center. The Giants could have to wait many years, or heck even decades to get that guy. There are a myriad of teams that have gone through it. Even if the Giants tank a season, there may not be a guy worthy of a pick, like in 2013 and 2019. If the Giants go the way I believe- perpetual mediocrity- then they’ll have to find a willing trade partner to get up to the top of the draft, which may not be possible giving that there may not be a willing partner. Additionally, teams that have their qb tend not to be picking top 3.

It’s not a given that you snap your fingers and the next guy just appears. And no, it’s unlikely that the Giants will find a guy in the mid rounds, for those of you that haven’t learned your lesson from Nassib and Webb. This is the reason many of us wanted Sam Darnold. Think about how monumentally bad the Giants were to be in position to draft Eli in 2004 and have a shot at Darnold in 2018. That’s not happening again for a very long time, and both of those years aligned with drafts that may have produced multiple franchise qbs.

The reality that most fans need to face, and I think more are awakening to it, is simply that the Giants could very well be in a Brown/Graham/Kanell/Maddox type lull for many years, at which point OBJ and Barkley’s careers are likely on the downside if not long over.

By desparetely avoiding qb hell, DG May have placed the Giants smack dab in the middle. This team is not immune from qb purgatory.


Not necessarily. Mahomes went 10th, Watson 12th, Allen 7th and Rosen 10th. Jury is still out on all, especially in this past class but Mahomes and Watson both look like the real deal. In the last 5 years the Giants picked 12, 9, 10, 23 and 2. And that's not just throwing out great QB's who didn't go in the first round where teams can get lucky either.

I don't see why people get all worked up about this. I wanted Darnold and posted about it on numerous occasions but the fact of the matter is Darnold hasn't yet proven that he's a superstar QB and the Giants haven't tried and failed to secure their qb of the future.
We need to look at this too...  
EricJ : 9/11/2018 6:18 pm : link
what teams do we think will have a top 10 pick next season? Then.. how many of them already recently drafted their franchise QB?

If are sitting in the 12th slot for example, we will not be dealing with 10 teams ahead of us who want a QB
RE: We need to look at this too...  
Sean : 9/11/2018 6:36 pm : link
In comment 14071830 EricJ said:
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what teams do we think will have a top 10 pick next season? Then.. how many of them already recently drafted their franchise QB?

If are sitting in the 12th slot for example, we will not be dealing with 10 teams ahead of us who want a QB


But you will also have other teams trying to leap frog to take their desired QB.
I do wonder if Kyler Murray will make himself eligible for  
barens : 9/12/2018 7:50 am : link
NFL Draft. I know he's got a baseball future ahead of him, but if he ends up looking like the best QB in college football, that could throw a wrench into everything. He's a like a faster Russell Wilson.

Clearly dreaming here, but Murray, Barkley and Beckum would be pretty sick.
RE: I do wonder if Kyler Murray will make himself eligible for  
YAJ2112 : 9/12/2018 10:00 am : link
In comment 14072204 barens said:
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NFL Draft. I know he's got a baseball future ahead of him, but if he ends up looking like the best QB in college football, that could throw a wrench into everything. He's a like a faster Russell Wilson.

Clearly dreaming here, but Murray, Barkley and Beckum would be pretty sick.


We resigned Travis Beckum?
RE: RE: I do wonder if Kyler Murray will make himself eligible for  
barens : 9/12/2018 10:54 am : link
In comment 14072406 YAJ2112 said:
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In comment 14072204 barens said:


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NFL Draft. I know he's got a baseball future ahead of him, but if he ends up looking like the best QB in college football, that could throw a wrench into everything. He's a like a faster Russell Wilson.

Clearly dreaming here, but Murray, Barkley and Beckum would be pretty sick.



We resigned Travis Beckum?


What can I tell you, brain fart.
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