Todd Gurley is twice as explosive as Bell, and two years younger. Gurley is worth every penny of that 45 million dollar contract guarantee he got.
The Steelers have estimated Bell correctly. He's not worth what Gurley got, he should be happy with 33 million guarantee.
Gurley's 40 yard time 4.40
Bell 40 yard time 4.60
If I'm the steelers, I'm not budging, sorry you're not worth that. Keep holding out, your just hurting yourself. You don't believe me watch these highlights, in the link below.
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They're getting big production from a running back with Bell sitting at home.
Shhhh. Don't let facts get in the way of his "research".
does conner attract the attention of the defense and free up brown?
Not impressed with Carr whatsoever.
we do miss his realness.
They're getting big production from a running back with Bell sitting at home.
Production because of an insane number of touches. Pittsburgh likes to run their RB’s into the ground knowing how fungible they can be. Bell just doesn’t want 36 touches per game for 16 games.
But robbie, he did the research. Look, he even has their 40 yard dash times. 4.40 is definitely faster than 4.60!
Good look just replacing borderline WR1 production out of Bell. And that’s why he’s worth more than Gurley. The only argument that can be made is age and the strikes he’s accrued via suspensions.
Ummmm, huh?
Did you hear the comments from the team on him? you do not think that plays into any of this at all now?
Bell is doing what he has to do. He will get his huge deal in the offseason. Pittsburgh tried playing games, not Bell.
Bell is doing what he has to do. He will get his huge deal in the offseason. Pittsburgh tried playing games, not Bell.
I agree that Bell is a top back. I also agree with Uconn's prior statement about disagreeing with Sy on this. To say Bell is not a top 5 back is stretching it quite a bit.
The thing is that Bell may be worth the salary this year, but I would hesitate to sign him to a deal that is still paying him at this level three years from now. Not unless there is a clause that removes the guarantees if he gets another substance suspension.
Holy shitballs. Either someone hacked Sy’s account or it is officially time for him to retire. That’s one of the absolute worst player evaluations I’ve ever seen on a player.
Fantasy football? Wtf?
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the best back in the league...arguably never even top 5. But because his fantasy numbers are so good....fans get confused. He isn't worth the Gurley money
Not arguing, but name 5 that have been continually better
Yeah, I mean......he's not Top 5????
But I’m curious about this top 5 list. I really need to see who these guys are that are better.
He probably suspects that with the franchise tag, Pittsburgh will, pun intended, run him into the ground and discard him like trash.
There was no weakness. He’s was excellent at every aspect of the game including playing in the slot which added even more value.
Last year, he looked slower so I get the Steelers not wanting to give a monster deal. RBs age fast. I think we saw some evidence of it last year.
Steelers should have traded him. He’ll come back for 4 games and he’s on another team next year.
Charles - 2013
Gurley - 2017
David Johnson - 2016
In 2016 he played in only 12 games but had 250+ carries. Add 75 receptions plus playoffs. That's a crazy high workload, especially considering the other weapons on that team (and a good backup like Deangelo Williams). No wonder his YPC went down.
that id what makes him great...
In 2016 he played in only 12 games but had 250+ carries. Add 75 receptions plus playoffs. That's a crazy high workload, especially considering the other weapons on that team (and a good backup like Deangelo Williams). No wonder his YPC went down.
He also had 400+ touches (excluding postseason) last season. And that's why he's holding out. He knows they'd give him another 400+ this season.
1) Steelers dont want to pay a 29 year old back that they routinely run into the ground big money.
2) Bell doesn't want another 400 touch season without having a secure long contract.
3) Bell is screwing over his teammates at a very real chance to get to the Super Bowl.
On another note, HARD disagree with Sy' on his evaluation of Bell. I am usually a fan of his evaluations as well, but I think this one is off base. If you have Gurley, David Johnson, and maybe Elliot above him (disagree), I can see that. But who else? Kamara? I cant even begin to think of the 5th person you would have.
1) Steelers dont want to pay a 29 year old back that they routinely run into the ground big money.
2) Bell doesn't want another 400 touch season without having a secure long contract.
3) Bell is screwing over his teammates at a very real chance to get to the Super Bowl.
On another note, HARD disagree with Sy' on his evaluation of Bell. I am usually a fan of his evaluations as well, but I think this one is off base. If you have Gurley, David Johnson, and maybe Elliot above him (disagree), I can see that. But who else? Kamara? I cant even begin to think of the 5th person you would have.
unless you are saying at end of the contract but bell is 26
2013: 405k salary 1.3m signing bonus
2014: 495k salary; 97.3k roster bonus
2015: 687k salary; 43k incentive
2016: 863k salary
2017: 12.1m salary
Total 16.03m 3.2m per year.
Say what you want, the Steelers got a deal it would be nice to see them pay him
Total yards: 2 behind McCoy
Total TDs: 3 behind Murray, McCoy
rush yards: 3 behind McCoy, Murray
rush TDs: 5 behind Murray, Blount, McCoy, Lynch
rec. yards: 1
rec TDs: 12
Guys like Lynch, Charles, Forte all fell off the cliff after 2014 so I don't know the 5 that are out in front of him. Murray, McCoy, and Bell are leagues above their peers in that timespan.
He's not only a top 5 back but I think he'd be a top 10 WR if he was moved exclusively to that position.
But I'll bite - who are your top 5?
Zeke, Gurley, Johnson, McCoy, Gordon?
That said, let's not go overboard here with saying Bell is overrated. From everything I've heard from actual defensive players, Bell is the hardest guy to tackle in the league, has outstanding vision and instincts, oh and he can catch by the way. He has a deadly set of skills.
Bell is phenomenal and should be the highest paid RB in the league - in my view. He is THE swiss army knife of RBs. So I have zero problem with him going going down this path. The salary cap in the NFL is just the worst sort of economic bullsh-t that simply puts more money in the owners' pockets and less in pockets of players.
On the other hand, because of the economics, I hate paying premium cap dollars for a RB. They are a largely a commodity and one of the most fungible positions in the NFL. They grow on trees...
Bell is phenomenal and should be the highest paid RB in the league - in my view. He is THE swiss army knife of RBs. So I have zero problem with him going going down this path. The salary cap in the NFL is just the worst sort of economic bullsh-t that simply puts more money in the owners' pockets and less in pockets of players.
On the other hand, because of the economics, I hate paying premium cap dollars for a RB. They are a largely a commodity and one of the most fungible positions in the NFL. They grow on trees...
Agreed. The Steelers should have done right by him though. He's given them everything and he's gotten paid very little in comparison to other stars. Their offer was very weak and they did it because they knew that they had him for the FT. They should have traded him so he can get his.
Why not just play this final season and fake injury?
Why not just play this final season and fake injury?
LOL, there is so much wrong with everything you wrote, but just to clarify. Him sitting out and protecting his body is going to hurt his chances of getting big money, but he should pretend to be hurt to get more money?
Why not just play this final season and fake injury?
Raiders and Jets will have a ton of cap and both would love him. He has a bigger market than many on here want to think, and in the end he’s making a business decision which I’m sure GMs realize - it’s not like he’s simply refusing to play for the fuck of it.
He’s going to get paid more than Gurley barring any injuries when he does report.
Why not just play this final season and fake injury?
Team player? What does that mean these days? Are you naive enough to think owners are "team players"? They have the ability to cut players at will knowing a fair portion of most players' contracts are not guaranteed. They largely treat players as mercenaries and have out-negotiated the stupidest union on the planet to have almost all the leverage. Give me a f-ckin break.
Here's an idea - applaud Bell for fighting city hall.
And let me guess - you also think there is loyalty in the NFL...
As for Bell, I don't think Bell has been that abused. He's a freak of nature with this uncanny ability - very much like Emmitt Smith in this regard - to avoid heavy, direct hits. If it's not here on the perimeter, for example, he'll just step out of bounds. He's a very heady player.
Bell is making the smart move here. Limit your injury risk. Come back late and play well. Get paid big & guaranteed money. That's what he should do.
Somebody said Bell and Steelers are right here. Its true. Steelers looking out for their interests and so is Bell. Nothing wrong there.
Who isn't right? The asshole teammates bitching about the guy trying to get his money.
Someone is offering to trade me Fournette for Bell. Possibly even Rodgers for Bell (this is a 2 QB league).