Chad Wheeler

But the coaches see these guys every day. Do you really think they'd start Flowers if they thought Wheeler was the better player.

played Flowers while there was a better player on the bench, then that is not Flowers fault. I think the guy is terrible, but, apparently there is not a better player on the team. It's not Flowers fault. That's the GM/coach's fault. If they get fired, it's their own fault for not acquiring/developing a better RT.

he won't get himself in front of Flowers for games.

the coaching staff, who sees these guys on a daily basis, thinks Flowers is better. Who am I to arguing?

And if Flowers is better, Wheeler must really suck.

By the end of the season, we had a different group of starters, and they seemed to play better.

I went to the final game last year. All 5 offensive lineman were different. We ran the ball, and Eli had time. On BBI we were why didn't the coaches see that earlier?

In the limited game action he saw last year and he sucked in preseason games too... pretty sure they'd play him if they thought he'd do better, no?

which will help Flowers, and is his strong suite along with the RG (I can't spell his name).

JAX has too good of a run D and forced us to pass more often then we would like.

See the second linked article.

It is night and day with him on the left side and right side. He is basically here if Solder misses time. He is not a Flowers replacement.

In comment 14071498 GiantsRage2007 said:

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In the limited game action he saw last year and he sucked in preseason games too... pretty sure they'd play him if they thought he'd do better, no?

Truth, I don't understand the Wheeler love, other than he's not Flowers. Wheeler sucks too

his pass pro ability was solid, tho he is susceptible to the speed rush. He gets handled in the run game tho.

they must not trust Wheeler very much if they keep tottering Flowers out there.

Omameh has been worse, if you can imagine that?! That whole right side is struggling IMO. I'd consider Greco over Omameh at this point and possibly Wheeler over Flowers. I' fairly certain that PS won't make any changes for a while however. I think he wants to see hi starting unit gel.

but he (and engram)got barkley killed on the goaline. I'll trust the coaches if they think he's behind Flowers

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Omameh has been worse, if you can imagine that?! That whole right side is struggling IMO. I'd consider Greco over Omameh at this point and possibly Wheeler over Flowers. I' fairly certain that PS won't make any changes for a while however. I think he wants to see hi starting unit gel.

I have no idea how you can say Omameh has been worse. I'm not saying he is good but Flowers basically singlehandedly lost the game last week.

wasn't drafted......

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wasn't drafted......

So how do you reconcile Flowers was?

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In comment 14071541 Simms11 said: Quote: Omameh has been worse, if you can imagine that?! That whole right side is struggling IMO. I'd consider Greco over Omameh at this point and possibly Wheeler over Flowers. I' fairly certain that PS won't make any changes for a while however. I think he wants to see hi starting unit gel. I have no idea how you can say Omameh has been worse. I'm not saying he is good but Flowers basically singlehandedly lost the game last week.

Using PFF grades, he was worse. I know there's more to it then how they grade, however, he's been pretty bad as well.

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In comment 14071560 Doomster said: Quote: wasn't drafted...... So how do you reconcile Flowers was?

It takes 32 teams passing on 7 rounds of opportunities to no get drafted. It only takes one stupid ass team to draft a bust.

Now Flowers would have been drafted but god knows how much further down the line it would have been.

In comment 14071483 BillT said:

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But the coaches see these guys every day. Do you really think they'd start Flowers if they thought Wheeler was the better player.

Bill stop it! You're speaking with reason. We the casual fans are the talent experts.

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wasn't drafted......

Actually there were two reasons he wasn't drafted.

1. There were character concerns based on an incident in 2015...

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Los Angeles officers responded to a man at around 8:45 a.m. PT (11:45 a.m. ET) who was possibly under the influence of drugs or alcohol, punching walls and windows, and injuring his hands inside an apartment in South Los Angeles near the USC campus, said the law enforcement sources close to the investigation. The man was identified as Chad Wheeler, a junior and an offensive lineman at USC. He ran out of the apartment after hitting at the walls and windows, the sources said. Wheeler was confronted by officers, got into an altercation with them, and was hit with bean bag rounds. The sources did not go into detail about the exact nature of what led police to use bean bag rounds, a less lethal form of force. He was not arrested, but was transported to a local hospital and is being held under protective custody for psychiatric evaluation.

2. A long history of injuries at the high school and college level.

As for reason #1, there has been nothing since that incident to cause concern about his character. No whispers or anything like that. And so far so good on the injury front, but that could change on a dime.

There's also a third issue--he is much more of a pure left tackle than someone who would be ideal on the right side--but that didn't affect his draft status.

From Drew Boylhart...

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CONCERNS Chad is not perfect; his techniques when run blocking are not as good as they should be. He comes off the snap too high, getting into his man with his body and losing leverage. His leg strength needs to improve but the truth is…you’re not paying a left tackle because they are great run blockers…you’re paying them the big bucks to pass block and protect your quarterback. When Chad puts his mind to it he can be an excellent run blocker because he has excellent athleticism. UPDATE; Chad’s Medical history is the only issue that I think could affect Chad’s draft status. His history of injuries and operations are extensive and has to be taken into account. I think it would be very difficult for teams to select Chad early in this draft. BOTTOM LINE Chad is the real deal and should be considered as a top player to select in this draft very early except for his history of operations. Chad is just a very good player and one of the few pure left tackles in this draft. If he can get stronger and healthier there could be pro bowls in his future.

This sort of comment always gets me.

How can you know this? Do you have some kind of mystical power that enables you to see all possible outcomes of a situation?

Its actually quite literally possible that he could be worse. Which is probably why he's not on the field and Flowers is.

Have stuck with Flowers over Wheeler...not one but two. That has to tell you something. There might be a solution at RT, but that solution is likely not on the Giants roster right now.

Also, I'm not expecting much from Flowers, but let's keep in mind that he went up against Calais Campbell. It's rare to be matched up with an All Pro at RT. He managed to be serviceable for stretches last year, so I'm hoping we see the same this year when he's not facing last year's defensive player of the year runner-up.

Wheeler is like a Bobby Hart analogue - subpar NFL athlete who has great length and decent hand technique but plays tall with slow feet, and has less functional strength than Flowers. Would you start Bobby Hart over Flowers?

Than the right though .....

I suppose Wheeler could draw flags on the first three consecutive offensive plays instead of just two out of three as Flowers did, but I think that's unlikely. :-)

Seriously, Wheeler got great press last year, and he played well when given the chance. Maybe he is a pure LT, and maybe he's not as good of a run blocker. These are the only justifications I see for sticking with the Flowers disaster.

In comment 14071483 BillT said:

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But the coaches see these guys every day. Do you really think they'd start Flowers if they thought Wheeler was the better player.

sure because every coach wants to play his worst guys

If Wheeler can't get himself ahead of Flowers, then it will be Flowers. Players earn coaches confidence, opportunities, and game reps in practice.

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I suppose Wheeler could draw flags on the first three consecutive offensive plays instead of just two out of three as Flowers did, but I think that's unlikely. :-) Seriously, Wheeler got great press last year, and he played well when given the chance. Maybe he is a pure LT, and maybe he's not as good of a run blocker. These are the only justifications I see for sticking with the Flowers disaster.

Your justifications are based only what you see during the game. That's 1 day out of the other five or six that the coaches spend with these players. Do you really believe that you know something they don't?

Look, I get it. Flowers is effing brutal. We all know it. We all want him gone. But the hard reality is that there just isn't another solution. We are stuck with him.

People are clamoring for Chad Wheeler and Austin Howard and some guy on some other teams practice squad simply because these players AREN'T Ereck Flowers, not because they're better.

Wheeler is a left tackle. He only played left tackle at USC and he is not comfortable on the right side.

was brutal except for Collins

we passed on Gurley to take flowers LMAO

Weaknesses Pass protection needs plenty of work. Footwork gets sloppy and undisciplined, causing base to narrow. Ducks head into contact and is a leaner in pass pro, creating balance problems. Rarely flat-footed upon initial hand contact. Throws hands rather than firing authoritative punch. Hands ride too high and too wide. Content to become grabby around framework of defender. Flagged for six holding penalties over last two seasons. Slow to secure and climb on combo blocks and is often lacking balance on the way to target. Doesn't bring feet under him to sustain second-level blocks. Knocked off balance by smaller pass rushers due to poor balance. Hips looked tight and struggled to gain ground when asked to pass set in combine drills.

Draft Projection Round 1
NFL Comparison Jack Mewhort

Bottom Line Flowers has good size and short area foot quickness, but he also features some lower body tightness and struggles to get proper depth quickly to consistently meet edge rushers. Some of Flowers' pass protection issue may be difficult to overcome. On the hand, his strength as a run blocker and ability to uproot his man and get them turned is undeniable.

Flowers may be drafted as a tackle, but his best position could end up being as a guard where I would put a draft grade on him of 6.12.

has shown better at LT than RT, thus he's not playing RT.

and won't be on the team as soon as we take the time to find someone to replace him. A turnstyle who has shown absolutely nothing. Can't beat out stiffs like Hart (before he got the axe) and the awful Flowers. The opening is right there, and Wheeler hasn't come close to taking it. I won't be shocked when he gets released.

Wheeler looks much better on the left side than the right. He still appears to need another year to get stronger. He did not take the step forward that I was hoping for this season but I haven't given up on him yet. The good news is that he is working his butt off and he has stayed out of trouble off the field.

to favor Flowers over Wheeler, so I think the reason for the current pecking order should be obvious.

Quinn's photo album.

Jax defensive line is one of the best. This week v. Dallas should be much easier for Flowers. Here’s hoping....

the coaches started Brandon Stokley over Victor Cruz in 2011 too. There were rumors of Cruz being cut after dropping a 3rd down pass in a game against Washington. Stokley gets hurt and they HAD to play Cruz - what does that tell you???

If guys play better in practice, but fail on game day, what good is it? If Flowers is screing up early against Dallas, put the backup in - really not rocket science.

is a big key to this season. Depending on his play, he can make or break this offense.

In comment 14072893 mrvax said:

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is a big key to this season. Depending on his play, he can make or break this offense.

If he can just give the Giants league average play at RT then that will be a huge boost to the offense.

Out of Flowers , if he can at least be average we will be
in decent shape . That said he is gonna need some help with
Lawrence in certain situations .
I kept thinking most of his issues are mental but people that
watch the replay and analyze his play would no better
if in fact he has yet to correct the same issues knee bend hand placement ect ..
There has to be someone they can aquire to replace if he
just blows up in big D