I know there have been a million comments/thoughts on Flowers and his performance this past Sunday, but Geoff Schwartz's recent tweet/gif really struck me:
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“Next time I know what type of player I’m against, he’s not really a speed guy, so next time I won’t jump out so fast." Not knowing that Calais Campbell is a “not really a speed guy” is peak IDGAF
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Apparently that is a real quote from Flowers? Basically indicates this dude saw no film, did no prep, and thought he could simply show up the day of and physically outmatch Campbell...
After we drafted him the immediate criticism was that his footwork was off, but something that could be "coached up."
This simply may be a case of a lack of drive and motivation. I'd hope Giants staff/veteran offensive lineman can create a more rigid preparation structure for him, but at this point maybe it's too late?
This is the GIF (click play when it opens) that Schwartz was referencing:
https://twitter.com/FBLRave/status/1039488752832397316 
I think they would.
I think they would.
Yes, true. But what can the team be doing week to week to at least ensure that he's prepared about who he's facing? This seems basic...
Come on coaches I’m sure you can find a parking lot attendant to do just as well as him...
From what I have gathered, his preparation is not the issue. Its just when the bullets are flying it all goes out the window.
While each week during the season entails new opponents to prepare for, the first game of the season he had weeks to prepare and scout the opponents. With Fowler being suspended, his field of opponents is narrowed to Calais and Yannick. Now, granted both of them are far greater players than Flowers could ever dream of being, but still he has weeks to prepare and study his 2 main opponents. Instead, he apparently prepared by binge watching Karate Kid to master his best roundhouse kick.
I think they would.
I'd agree if the problem was just a lack of talent.
But DG and PS have been pretty consistent in describing the type of player they want. That quote shows Flowers does not meet that standard.
Sometimes you have to take a hit that sends a message in order to move the bigger picture forward.
Bench EF and tell him he had better show more dedication in practice or Wheeler or a new vet will play ahead of him for the rest of his contract. (Try to hook up with another team in 2019 with THAT on your record.)
- Yes, I knew he had speed but was hoping nobody would notice the comment I just made to the media
- Yes, I know tripping is illegal but I was hoping the ref was blind
- Yes, I know everybody including the ref would see it but I did it anyway because I got nothing else....
Giants will cut him faster than shit through a goose this offseason. Another fucking year that will be sabotaged by not just a subpar player, no no, can’t have that, he needs to be fucking god awful. Because that’s how the giants roll.
I get it with his play and all and the huge lapses of competency, but he is a human being. These guys aren't commodities where basic human dignity doesn't apply.
A bag of stinking hot garbage?
Yes, it's a bad quote, and is revealing of a lack of prep. But players shouldn't be referred to this way
- Yes, I knew he had speed but was hoping nobody would notice the comment I just made to the media
- Yes, I know tripping is illegal but I was hoping the ref was blind
- Yes, I know everybody including the ref would see it but I did it anyway because I got nothing else....
I don’t think he prepares as much as other players do. Matter of fact I’m all but convinced.
From what I have gathered, his preparation is not the issue. Its just when the bullets are flying it all goes out the window.
His fundamentals go out the window and he reverts back to poor technique. He got beat badly and so he reacted and did something to slow the progress of the defender. What did you want him to do? Give the guy a free shot at Eli!?
- Yes, I knew he had speed but was hoping nobody would notice the comment I just made to the media
- Yes, I know tripping is illegal but I was hoping the ref was blind
- Yes, I know everybody including the ref would see it but I did it anyway because I got nothing else....
Or - Yes, I don't give a shit. I've already made $14MM more than most other working slobs will in their lifetime.
From what I have gathered, his preparation is not the issue. Its just when the bullets are flying it all goes out the window.
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Flowers has a talent problem.
“His work ethic, the way he goes about his business, the way that he has put it behind him, he’s just doing his thing,” Solder said during Giants minicamp. “He’s trying hard and he cares, and he’s asking questions. He is doing everything that you would want a guy to do.”
Like I said above, I don't think his work ethic is his problem. Although his checking out for week 17 last year gives me some pause there.
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It was a bad pick and they need to cut bait the second they find someone just as bad.
He’s going to take his millions and we will never hear from this guy again after this year.
Flowers is awful but atleast he suits up...something Schwartz failed to do. Schwartz pretty much stole from the Giants. The guy is a loudmouth clown. Soft as tissue paper.
“His work ethic, the way he goes about his business, the way that he has put it behind him, he’s just doing his thing,” Solder said during Giants minicamp. “He’s trying hard and he cares, and he’s asking questions. He is doing everything that you would want a guy to do.”
Like I said above, I don't think his work ethic is his problem. Although his checking out for week 17 last year gives me some pause there. Link - ( New Window )
Solder said that, not Shurmur
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“His work ethic, the way he goes about his business, the way that he has put it behind him, he’s just doing his thing,” Solder said during Giants minicamp. “He’s trying hard and he cares, and he’s asking questions. He is doing everything that you would want a guy to do.”
Like I said above, I don't think his work ethic is his problem. Although his checking out for week 17 last year gives me some pause there. Link - ( New Window )
Solder said that, not Shurmur
you are correct - my bad
But, how is pointing out what someone said being out to get the guy? I mean if he said that is what he felt Flowers did then that would be one thing. But, these are Flowers own words. Sorry but this guy sucks about as bad as I have seen a 1st RD olinemen suck. He negates his one big strength, size by just being so fucking off balance and out position. Being slow is one thing, being out of position and being out muscled because you just refuse to use proper technique (or just can't grasp what that technique would be) is something else entirely.
His own quote states in summary that he was expecting Calais to be a speed guy. He jumped too far out expecting the speed and had to compensate with the trip.
Now, Calais has been in the league for years so if he had prepared and scouted his opponent, then he would have known that Calais is not known as a speed rusher.
From what I have gathered, his preparation is not the issue. Its just when the bullets are flying it all goes out the window.
Well then he's an idiot because he doesn't realize how that would come off.
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but I’m curious how anyone knows he doesn’t care or didn’t prepare. Many of you sound like idiots. Shocking.
His own quote states in summary that he was expecting Calais to be a speed guy. He jumped too far out expecting the speed and had to compensate with the trip.
Now, Calais has been in the league for years so if he had prepared and scouted his opponent, then he would have known that Calais is not known as a speed rusher.
Maybe according to your information. Maybe what he coaches see on tape in 2018 is different. Maybe Flowers mid spoke. Who knows.
Under the new regime I’d expect a player that’s lazy and doesn’t prepare to not play at all regardless of he lack of depth. Maybe I’m being naive but the precedence they with all the cuts tells me otherwise.
From what I have gathered, his preparation is not the issue. Its just when the bullets are flying it all goes out the window.
I think this is 100% right. The rumblings were of the dreaded "uncoachable" label around the draft and he's lived up to it. He can't function when the lights are on. That's why you see nothing resembling professional offensive line technique in pass-rush situations, especially against quality competition. He has absolutely zero confidence in his technique, and after four years in this business, it ain't gonna change.
As for his quote, I get the impression the guy is dumber than rocks. He can barely speak at the level of a 5th grader. I don't say that to knock him personally... I just don't think he has the aptitude to process coaching, apply technique and learn his craft.
Can we stop pretending this is a normal user account please?
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that he did the appropriate amount of film work and was just grasping at straws for excuses for a bad play.
From what I have gathered, his preparation is not the issue. Its just when the bullets are flying it all goes out the window.
Well then he's an idiot because he doesn't realize how that would come off.
yeah, I don't think he has a career in public relations in his future.
Give the kid a break. He’s trying his best but he’s completely overmatched and his confidence is blown.
Passion ...? Where ...?
Passion ...? Where ...?
Because someone probably told him he had enough physical ability to get by long enough to get him an NFL contract. Fake it a few years, become a millionaire and then retire. Hey, maybe he’s not so dumb after all!
He tried to trip the guy that beat him clean. I think he's the same person.
The problem can't be that the player just doesn't have the necessary skills, it's just that he's lazy or doesn't care or the coaches are using him wrong, etc.
The problem can't be that the player just doesn't have the necessary skills, it's just that he's lazy or doesn't care or the coaches are using him wrong, etc.
They sound worse, the lazy label wouldn't be tossed around if he was drafted from Rutgers and named Joey Romano.
We all are giant fans Does this guy seem like a “NYG type of player?”
Look at the film from Game 1. How many times did the incompetence of Flowers come into play? If it hadn't been for his poor play we probably score at least another TD on the pass to Beckham where Eli is bum rushed. How many yards did he cost us in penalties, has to be at least 60-70? Then a failed assignment costs us a pick 6.
If nothing else we are better with nothing at RT, at least nothing wouldn't get us negative yardage.
The experiment is over ! Trade for a competent replacement !
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a bunch of parents at a Pop Warner game.
The problem can't be that the player just doesn't have the necessary skills, it's just that he's lazy or doesn't care or the coaches are using him wrong, etc.
They sound worse, the lazy label wouldn't be tossed around if he was drafted from Rutgers and named Joey Romano.
Yep, obviously, it's because he's black. What else could it be?
Even if a trade doesnt occur there are guys on the street who are better than Flowers. Jhari Eans & Luke Joekel are out there somewhere, at least bring them in for work outs.
Flowers doesn't learn, there is no way to fix that issue no matter how big&strong you are.
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it's personal. Not sure why but basically it's to the point where you need to discount anything he says on the guy. Bad look for someone who obviously is looking for an analyst gig. And just because a player looks bad doesn't mean he's lazy or stupid. He might just not be good enough.
Flowers is awful but atleast he suits up...something Schwartz failed to do. Schwartz pretty much stole from the Giants. The guy is a loudmouth clown. Soft as tissue paper.
This. As much as I rag on Flowers, because he's a horrific player, he's given the Giants more than Schwartz ever did.
The weird thing is his hurt rookie year was his best year - he actually looked like a NFL player. Nothing special, but I'd take that Flowers over this one.
Cutler had ability...Flowers not so much...
From what I have gathered, his preparation is not the issue. Its just when the bullets are flying it all goes out the window.
This seems far more likely to me. I think that it is probably more likely that Flowers struggled to answer questions on the fly than it is that the coaching staff did not have him prepared.
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I would rather have a struggling Wheeler than Flowers. At least I know Wheeler will play hard every play and give it his all.
I get it with his play and all and the huge lapses of competency, but he is a human being. These guys aren't commodities where basic human dignity doesn't apply.
A bag of stinking hot garbage?
Yes, it's a bad quote, and is revealing of a lack of prep. But players shouldn't be referred to this way
This is from a football player perspective not. It has nothing to do with him as a person.
Flowers has been awful, but it's likely not due to his preparation or work ethic. He's on a new set of coaches, and they've praised his work ethic, when they could just as easily use it to disclaim his difficulties and make life easier on themselves. Besides, something basic like that would be just as much on the OL coach as it would be on Flowers, and I doubt they'd make such a huge error.
He stinks, but it's likely not related to how hard he works at it.
The experiment is over ! Trade for a competent replacement !
Yeah, because there are teams out there that are eagerly awaiting a call from somebody so they can trade their starting RT. Starting caliber RTs are everywhere. Just go get one.
close to ejections imo
Tuck was badly injured and that face mask to me is about
as dirty as it gets . I was friggen irate gonna break the
guys neck because he is by you fuck that ass hole .
Flowers is on thin ice period ..
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Flowers incompetence severely limits what the offense can do.
The experiment is over ! Trade for a competent replacement !
Yeah, because there are teams out there that are eagerly awaiting a call from somebody so they can trade their starting RT. Starting caliber RTs are everywhere. Just go get one.
We don't need their starting RT. We need a player that is aspiring to be a starting RT. Because that is an upgrade to what we have now.
Not that Richburg is anything special... Just sayin', it's not like this hasn't been suggested before by insiders.
Not that Richburg is anything special... Just sayin', it's not like this hasn't been suggested before by insiders.
I don't think so. Rich burg made some comment that all the OL should be attending the Bentley? training regimen that he (and I think hart) attended
Unless you are referencing something else.
There was a comment that he doesn't hang out with the other OL in their off time.
As for Flowers himself, it only took one game at RT for me to be convinced he simply cannot play in the NFL. Too many athletic and mental limitations that cannot be overcome. Throw Wheeler in there and put one of the blocking TEs on that side until he's comfortable. And whack Flowers!
As for Flowers himself, it only took one game at RT for me to be convinced he simply cannot play in the NFL. Too many athletic and mental limitations that cannot be overcome. Throw Wheeler in there and put one of the blocking TEs on that side until he's comfortable. And whack Flowers!
Um, what?! Taylor Decker was taken in a completely separate draft than Flowers. And only played in 8 games last year. No All Pro at all