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Erik Flowers and Lack of Preparation

Anando : 9/11/2018 1:53 pm
I know there have been a million comments/thoughts on Flowers and his performance this past Sunday, but Geoff Schwartz's recent tweet/gif really struck me:

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Geoff Schwartz
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@geoffschwartz

Next time I know what type of player Im against, hes not really a speed guy, so next time I wont jump out so fast." Not knowing that Calais Campbell is a not really a speed guy is peak IDGAF



Apparently that is a real quote from Flowers? Basically indicates this dude saw no film, did no prep, and thought he could simply show up the day of and physically outmatch Campbell...

After we drafted him the immediate criticism was that his footwork was off, but something that could be "coached up."

This simply may be a case of a lack of drive and motivation. I'd hope Giants staff/veteran offensive lineman can create a more rigid preparation structure for him, but at this point maybe it's too late?

This is the GIF (click play when it opens) that Schwartz was referencing:

https://twitter.com/FBLRave/status/1039488752832397316
I did a double take when I saw that too..  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/11/2018 1:55 pm : link
How do you not know that? It's your freaking job. That's why you go to meetings, watch tape, & practice. It's basically admitting you didn't prepare at all.
How many more games does this clown start?  
terz22 : 9/11/2018 1:56 pm : link
That quote is damning.
Yeah,  
Gman11 : 9/11/2018 1:58 pm : link
let's burn the guy at the stake to make it easier for Shurmur. If the guy is burnt to a crisp, they'll have to replace him.
LAZY  
MotownGIANTS : 9/11/2018 1:59 pm : link
and UNCOACHABLE is accurate!
Flowers is a bag of stinking hot garbage.  
superspynyg : 9/11/2018 2:03 pm : link
I would rather have a struggling Wheeler than Flowers. At least I know Wheeler will play hard every play and give it his all.
Don't you think...  
Rong5611 : 9/11/2018 2:05 pm : link
If they had a better alternative, they'd start that person.

I think they would.
RE: Don't you think...  
Anando : 9/11/2018 2:07 pm : link
In comment 14071512 Rong5611 said:
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If they had a better alternative, they'd start that person.

I think they would.


Yes, true. But what can the team be doing week to week to at least ensure that he's prepared about who he's facing? This seems basic...
I've got the torches and pitchforks  
Gman11 : 9/11/2018 2:08 pm : link
WHO'S WITH ME????
Flowers played very hard on Sunday  
Jimmy Googs : 9/11/2018 2:09 pm : link
he even used a 3rd limb to help pass protect...
Not gonna lie,  
exiled : 9/11/2018 2:13 pm : link
As much as I *hate* watching Eli trying to perform behind this line, I feel bad for the guy. Hes been over his head since Day 1.
Tripping  
Adirondack GMen : 9/11/2018 2:13 pm : link
That film clip brought back my years of watching PeeWee football. If a player got past a linemen they would stick out their foot or do just Flowers did. We pay him a NFL salary to use things that would have gotten him spoke to in PeeWee or PopWarner football. Give me a freakin break. How can the front office and management accept the comment next time Ill know who Im facing and if he is a speed rusher that popped my brain when I read that.
Come on coaches Im sure you can find a parking lot attendant to do just as well as him...
Its entirely possible  
ron mexico : 9/11/2018 2:15 pm : link
that he did the appropriate amount of film work and was just grasping at straws for excuses for a bad play.

From what I have gathered, his preparation is not the issue. Its just when the bullets are flying it all goes out the window.

When I read that in his transcript,  
Diver_Down : 9/11/2018 2:21 pm : link
it spoke volumes as to how serious he takes his profession. Here is a guy that failed at his prior position forcing a new GM to find the best available replacement. He is now playing a new position with no certain future. You would think that would be all the motivation he needs to prepare and play to the best of his ability. If he is able to put enough tape together demonstrating competency, then he'll have an opportunity to continue in this profession. He literally is faced with millions in motivation at stake.

While each week during the season entails new opponents to prepare for, the first game of the season he had weeks to prepare and scout the opponents. With Fowler being suspended, his field of opponents is narrowed to Calais and Yannick. Now, granted both of them are far greater players than Flowers could ever dream of being, but still he has weeks to prepare and study his 2 main opponents. Instead, he apparently prepared by binge watching Karate Kid to master his best roundhouse kick.
Schwartz obvisously hates Flowers  
bluepepper : 9/11/2018 2:22 pm : link
it's personal. Not sure why but basically it's to the point where you need to discount anything he says on the guy. Bad look for someone who obviously is looking for an analyst gig. And just because a player looks bad doesn't mean he's lazy or stupid. He might just not be good enough.
In the Title,  
Doomster : 9/11/2018 2:22 pm : link
change preparation to talent....
RE: Don't you think...  
KeoweeFan : 9/11/2018 2:25 pm : link
In comment 14071512 Rong5611 said:
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If they had a better alternative, they'd start that person.

I think they would.

I'd agree if the problem was just a lack of talent.

But DG and PS have been pretty consistent in describing the type of player they want. That quote shows Flowers does not meet that standard.

Sometimes you have to take a hit that sends a message in order to move the bigger picture forward.

Bench EF and tell him he had better show more dedication in practice or Wheeler or a new vet will play ahead of him for the rest of his contract. (Try to hook up with another team in 2019 with THAT on your record.)
Maybe some of you would be happy with the honest approach...  
Jimmy Googs : 9/11/2018 2:26 pm : link
- Yes, I prepared for my opposition but I still suck
- Yes, I knew he had speed but was hoping nobody would notice the comment I just made to the media
- Yes, I know tripping is illegal but I was hoping the ref was blind
- Yes, I know everybody including the ref would see it but I did it anyway because I got nothing else....
Flowers is fucking garbage  
djm : 9/11/2018 2:27 pm : link
Hes only here because the backups are even more dangerous.

Giants will cut him faster than shit through a goose this offseason. Another fucking year that will be sabotaged by not just a subpar player, no no, cant have that, he needs to be fucking god awful. Because thats how the giants roll.
RE: Flowers is a bag of stinking hot garbage.  
allstarjim : 9/11/2018 2:28 pm : link
In comment 14071502 superspynyg said:
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I would rather have a struggling Wheeler than Flowers. At least I know Wheeler will play hard every play and give it his all.


I get it with his play and all and the huge lapses of competency, but he is a human being. These guys aren't commodities where basic human dignity doesn't apply.

A bag of stinking hot garbage?

Yes, it's a bad quote, and is revealing of a lack of prep. But players shouldn't be referred to this way
RE: Maybe some of you would be happy with the honest approach...  
djm : 9/11/2018 2:28 pm : link
In comment 14071559 Jimmy Googs said:
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- Yes, I prepared for my opposition but I still suck
- Yes, I knew he had speed but was hoping nobody would notice the comment I just made to the media
- Yes, I know tripping is illegal but I was hoping the ref was blind
- Yes, I know everybody including the ref would see it but I did it anyway because I got nothing else....


I dont think he prepares as much as other players do. Matter of fact Im all but convinced.
RE: Its entirely possible  
Simms11 : 9/11/2018 2:29 pm : link
In comment 14071540 ron mexico said:
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that he did the appropriate amount of film work and was just grasping at straws for excuses for a bad play.

From what I have gathered, his preparation is not the issue. Its just when the bullets are flying it all goes out the window.


His fundamentals go out the window and he reverts back to poor technique. He got beat badly and so he reacted and did something to slow the progress of the defender. What did you want him to do? Give the guy a free shot at Eli!?
RE: Maybe some of you would be happy with the honest approach...  
Diver_Down : 9/11/2018 2:29 pm : link
In comment 14071559 Jimmy Googs said:
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- Yes, I prepared for my opposition but I still suck
- Yes, I knew he had speed but was hoping nobody would notice the comment I just made to the media
- Yes, I know tripping is illegal but I was hoping the ref was blind
- Yes, I know everybody including the ref would see it but I did it anyway because I got nothing else....


Or - Yes, I don't give a shit. I've already made $14MM more than most other working slobs will in their lifetime.
RE: Its entirely possible  
crick n NC : 9/11/2018 2:30 pm : link
In comment 14071540 ron mexico said:
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that he did the appropriate amount of film work and was just grasping at straws for excuses for a bad play.

From what I have gathered, his preparation is not the issue. Its just when the bullets are flying it all goes out the window.


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my problem  
cjac : 9/11/2018 2:33 pm : link
with they interception play, is that when that player faked the blitz inside, thats not his assignment. that player was responsible for covering Barkley, because they were in man coverage. if that player comes on a blitz, and Flowers blocks his man, Eli will dump the ball to barkley who would have been uncovered. He's in his 4th year, he should know to just take care of his assignment.
I suppose nobody here ever  
section125 : 9/11/2018 2:35 pm : link
prepped for something and reality was different than what was perceived..

Flowers has a talent problem.
This is what Shurmur said on his work ethic  
ron mexico : 9/11/2018 2:35 pm : link

His work ethic, the way he goes about his business, the way that he has put it behind him, hes just doing his thing, Solder said during Giants minicamp. Hes trying hard and he cares, and hes asking questions. He is doing everything that you would want a guy to do.

Like I said above, I don't think his work ethic is his problem. Although his checking out for week 17 last year gives me some pause there.
Link - ( New Window )
This seems more damning to the coaches than Flowers..  
Thunderstruck27 : 9/11/2018 2:39 pm : link
at any point during the game did a coach not approach Flowers and tell him what adjustments he should try to make?
He simply doesnt care  
BigBlue4You09 : 9/11/2018 2:40 pm : link
He knows hes playing for a contract and still doesnt care. And even if he did he doesnt have the intelligence to improve anyway.

It was a bad pick and they need to cut bait the second they find someone just as bad.

Hes going to take his millions and we will never hear from this guy again after this year.
He sucks  
UConn4523 : 9/11/2018 2:43 pm : link
but Im curious how anyone knows he doesnt care or didnt prepare. Many of you sound like idiots. Shocking.
Mcadoo was bang on  
Les in TO : 9/11/2018 2:44 pm : link
You can run around flowers on the right side just like you can on the left. Dude cant bend. Combined with his cry baby attitude after missing minicamp and apparent cluelessness about his opponent, hes one of the most unlikeable Giants Ive ever watched. Right there with Cant Cover Brown and Turnover Tommy Maddox
I despise Flowers  
giants#1 : 9/11/2018 2:44 pm : link
but I took his comments more along the lines of "he's quicker than his tape shows..."
RE: Schwartz obvisously hates Flowers  
TyreeHelmet : 9/11/2018 2:44 pm : link
In comment 14071554 bluepepper said:
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it's personal. Not sure why but basically it's to the point where you need to discount anything he says on the guy. Bad look for someone who obviously is looking for an analyst gig. And just because a player looks bad doesn't mean he's lazy or stupid. He might just not be good enough.


Flowers is awful but atleast he suits up...something Schwartz failed to do. Schwartz pretty much stole from the Giants. The guy is a loudmouth clown. Soft as tissue paper.
RE: This is what Shurmur said on his work ethic  
cjac : 9/11/2018 2:46 pm : link
In comment 14071580 ron mexico said:
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His work ethic, the way he goes about his business, the way that he has put it behind him, hes just doing his thing, Solder said during Giants minicamp. Hes trying hard and he cares, and hes asking questions. He is doing everything that you would want a guy to do.

Like I said above, I don't think his work ethic is his problem. Although his checking out for week 17 last year gives me some pause there. Link - ( New Window )


Solder said that, not Shurmur
RE: RE: This is what Shurmur said on his work ethic  
ron mexico : 9/11/2018 2:50 pm : link
In comment 14071594 cjac said:
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In comment 14071580 ron mexico said:


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His work ethic, the way he goes about his business, the way that he has put it behind him, hes just doing his thing, Solder said during Giants minicamp. Hes trying hard and he cares, and hes asking questions. He is doing everything that you would want a guy to do.

Like I said above, I don't think his work ethic is his problem. Although his checking out for week 17 last year gives me some pause there. Link - ( New Window )



Solder said that, not Shurmur


you are correct - my bad
RE: Schwartz obvisously hates Flowers  
jvm52106 : 9/11/2018 2:51 pm : link
In comment 14071554 bluepepper said:
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it's personal. Not sure why but basically it's to the point where you need to discount anything he says on the guy. Bad look for someone who obviously is looking for an analyst gig. And just because a player looks bad doesn't mean he's lazy or stupid. He might just not be good enough.


But, how is pointing out what someone said being out to get the guy? I mean if he said that is what he felt Flowers did then that would be one thing. But, these are Flowers own words. Sorry but this guy sucks about as bad as I have seen a 1st RD olinemen suck. He negates his one big strength, size by just being so fucking off balance and out position. Being slow is one thing, being out of position and being out muscled because you just refuse to use proper technique (or just can't grasp what that technique would be) is something else entirely.
RE: He sucks  
Diver_Down : 9/11/2018 2:53 pm : link
In comment 14071587 UConn4523 said:
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but Im curious how anyone knows he doesnt care or didnt prepare. Many of you sound like idiots. Shocking.


His own quote states in summary that he was expecting Calais to be a speed guy. He jumped too far out expecting the speed and had to compensate with the trip.

Now, Calais has been in the league for years so if he had prepared and scouted his opponent, then he would have known that Calais is not known as a speed rusher.
RE: Its entirely possible  
BestFeature : 9/11/2018 2:57 pm : link
In comment 14071540 ron mexico said:
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that he did the appropriate amount of film work and was just grasping at straws for excuses for a bad play.

From what I have gathered, his preparation is not the issue. Its just when the bullets are flying it all goes out the window.


Well then he's an idiot because he doesn't realize how that would come off.
RE: RE: He sucks  
UConn4523 : 9/11/2018 3:10 pm : link
In comment 14071604 Diver_Down said:
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In comment 14071587 UConn4523 said:


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but Im curious how anyone knows he doesnt care or didnt prepare. Many of you sound like idiots. Shocking.



His own quote states in summary that he was expecting Calais to be a speed guy. He jumped too far out expecting the speed and had to compensate with the trip.

Now, Calais has been in the league for years so if he had prepared and scouted his opponent, then he would have known that Calais is not known as a speed rusher.


Maybe according to your information. Maybe what he coaches see on tape in 2018 is different. Maybe Flowers mid spoke. Who knows.

Under the new regime Id expect a player thats lazy and doesnt prepare to not play at all regardless of he lack of depth. Maybe Im being naive but the precedence they with all the cuts tells me otherwise.
He's a lazy slug and  
RottenApple : 9/11/2018 3:10 pm : link
has been since college. You can't change laziness, which is why this puke is a pile of dog shit.
He sucks and its indisputable. What difference does why make?  
Jimmy Googs : 9/11/2018 3:20 pm : link
Unless you think he can quickly & easily improve and then I would say you suck...
RE: Its entirely possible  
regulator : 9/11/2018 3:22 pm : link
In comment 14071540 ron mexico said:
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that he did the appropriate amount of film work and was just grasping at straws for excuses for a bad play.

From what I have gathered, his preparation is not the issue. Its just when the bullets are flying it all goes out the window.


I think this is 100% right. The rumblings were of the dreaded "uncoachable" label around the draft and he's lived up to it. He can't function when the lights are on. That's why you see nothing resembling professional offensive line technique in pass-rush situations, especially against quality competition. He has absolutely zero confidence in his technique, and after four years in this business, it ain't gonna change.

As for his quote, I get the impression the guy is dumber than rocks. He can barely speak at the level of a 5th grader. I don't say that to knock him personally... I just don't think he has the aptitude to process coaching, apply technique and learn his craft.
RE: He's a lazy slug and  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/11/2018 3:25 pm : link
In comment 14071625 RottenApple said:
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has been since college. You can't change laziness, which is why this puke is a pile of dog shit.


Can we stop pretending this is a normal user account please?
He's not signed for next season  
Chip : 9/11/2018 3:27 pm : link
He will be gone. Just another failed draft pick. It makes Gettlemans job easier all he has is Collins to sign who can be franchised. They do have to free up cap space for next season after obj signing. I would assume some of OBJ contract will be bonused out to free up cap space.
RE: RE: Its entirely possible  
ron mexico : 9/11/2018 3:30 pm : link
In comment 14071609 BestFeature said:
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In comment 14071540 ron mexico said:


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that he did the appropriate amount of film work and was just grasping at straws for excuses for a bad play.

From what I have gathered, his preparation is not the issue. Its just when the bullets are flying it all goes out the window.




Well then he's an idiot because he doesn't realize how that would come off.


yeah, I don't think he has a career in public relations in his future.

He's the Jay Cutler  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 9/11/2018 3:30 pm : link
Of tackles.
Nothing to do with laziness or preparation  
ArlingtonMike : 9/11/2018 3:31 pm : link
He doesnt have the skills required for the position. Thats it. Hes put in the work and then some, according to his teammates.

Give the kid a break. Hes trying his best but hes completely overmatched and his confidence is blown.

UNCOACHABLE is right  
SHO'NUFF : 9/11/2018 3:41 pm : link
how many line coaches has he had throughout his career, and they still can't fix him?
I am beginning to wonder ....  
short lease : 9/11/2018 3:43 pm : link
why this guy ever started playing football at all ... he does not seem to enjoy the game at all?

Passion ...? Where ...?
RE: I am beginning to wonder ....  
BigBlue4You09 : 9/11/2018 3:50 pm : link
In comment 14071660 short lease said:
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why this guy ever started playing football at all ... he does not seem to enjoy the game at all?

Passion ...? Where ...?


Because someone probably told him he had enough physical ability to get by long enough to get him an NFL contract. Fake it a few years, become a millionaire and then retire. Hey, maybe hes not so dumb after all!
Flowers  
TyreeHelmet : 9/11/2018 3:59 pm : link
Am I misrembering but didn't Flowers have much more of a mean streak his rookie year? I know he played hurt and technique wasn't there, but he seemed to play with more pride and nastiness. Am I remembering wrong?
RE: Flowers  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/11/2018 4:05 pm : link
In comment 14071679 TyreeHelmet said:
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Am I misrembering but didn't Flowers have much more of a mean streak his rookie year? I know he played hurt and technique wasn't there, but he seemed to play with more pride and nastiness. Am I remembering wrong?


He tried to trip the guy that beat him clean. I think he's the same person.
People on here sound like  
Gman11 : 9/11/2018 4:06 pm : link
a bunch of parents at a Pop Warner game.

The problem can't be that the player just doesn't have the necessary skills, it's just that he's lazy or doesn't care or the coaches are using him wrong, etc.
RE: People on here sound like  
Default : 9/11/2018 4:10 pm : link
In comment 14071692 Gman11 said:
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a bunch of parents at a Pop Warner game.

The problem can't be that the player just doesn't have the necessary skills, it's just that he's lazy or doesn't care or the coaches are using him wrong, etc.


They sound worse, the lazy label wouldn't be tossed around if he was drafted from Rutgers and named Joey Romano.
Schwartz has never really hidden his disdain for Flowers  
Mike from SI : 9/11/2018 4:14 pm : link
once he started doing the media thing. And it's clear Pugh and Richburg didn't like him either. Say what you want about those 3, but they've had much more successful careers.
Flowers is worthless as a football player  
rdt288 : 9/11/2018 4:25 pm : link
-one of THE sorriest and lamest Giants Ive ever seen. Pitiful Poor effort. Poor technique. When a guy cant handle the things that are within his control, doesnt bode well ever

We all are giant fans Does this guy seem like a NYG type of player?
We have to trade for a RT  
Koffman : 9/11/2018 4:27 pm : link
Flowers incompetence severely limits what the offense can do. He has been given enough chances to prove himself at two different positions, and it appears he can't play LT or RT.

Look at the film from Game 1. How many times did the incompetence of Flowers come into play? If it hadn't been for his poor play we probably score at least another TD on the pass to Beckham where Eli is bum rushed. How many yards did he cost us in penalties, has to be at least 60-70? Then a failed assignment costs us a pick 6.

If nothing else we are better with nothing at RT, at least nothing wouldn't get us negative yardage.

The experiment is over ! Trade for a competent replacement !
Trade  
TyreeHelmet : 9/11/2018 4:37 pm : link
What team is trading a competent right tackle? It's just not happening. It should have been addressed in the offseason and flowers should be playing RG or cut. And Wheeler is not the answer.
RE: RE: People on here sound like  
BestFeature : 9/11/2018 4:41 pm : link
In comment 14071697 Default said:
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In comment 14071692 Gman11 said:


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a bunch of parents at a Pop Warner game.

The problem can't be that the player just doesn't have the necessary skills, it's just that he's lazy or doesn't care or the coaches are using him wrong, etc.



They sound worse, the lazy label wouldn't be tossed around if he was drafted from Rutgers and named Joey Romano.


Yep, obviously, it's because he's black. What else could it be?
RE: Trade  
Koffman : 9/11/2018 4:59 pm : link
In comment 14071736 TyreeHelmet said:
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What team is trading a competent right tackle? It's just not happening. It should have been addressed in the offseason and flowers should be playing RG or cut. And Wheeler is not the answer.


Even if a trade doesnt occur there are guys on the street who are better than Flowers. Jhari Eans & Luke Joekel are out there somewhere, at least bring them in for work outs.
The lack of effort is there, lazy  
WinterIsComing : 9/11/2018 5:25 pm : link
I noticed multiple times that Flowers was also the last person off the field.

Flowers doesn't learn, there is no way to fix that issue no matter how big&strong you are.
awesome  
japanhead : 9/11/2018 5:29 pm : link
so when the giants play the jaguars again in 4 years, flowers will be ready..
Didn't  
phil in arizona : 9/11/2018 5:43 pm : link
Omameh play some RT?
When the issue is technique, there is an expectation the player  
baadbill : 9/11/2018 6:06 pm : link
will get better with reps. But when the issue is attitude, my experience is that is something that almost never changes and you are always better off the sooner you can move on from those with character deficits.
RE: RE: Schwartz obvisously hates Flowers  
FStubbs : 9/11/2018 6:19 pm : link
In comment 14071591 TyreeHelmet said:
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In comment 14071554 bluepepper said:


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it's personal. Not sure why but basically it's to the point where you need to discount anything he says on the guy. Bad look for someone who obviously is looking for an analyst gig. And just because a player looks bad doesn't mean he's lazy or stupid. He might just not be good enough.



Flowers is awful but atleast he suits up...something Schwartz failed to do. Schwartz pretty much stole from the Giants. The guy is a loudmouth clown. Soft as tissue paper.


This. As much as I rag on Flowers, because he's a horrific player, he's given the Giants more than Schwartz ever did.
RE: Flowers  
FStubbs : 9/11/2018 6:21 pm : link
In comment 14071679 TyreeHelmet said:
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Am I misrembering but didn't Flowers have much more of a mean streak his rookie year? I know he played hurt and technique wasn't there, but he seemed to play with more pride and nastiness. Am I remembering wrong?


The weird thing is his hurt rookie year was his best year - he actually looked like a NFL player. Nothing special, but I'd take that Flowers over this one.
RE: He's the Jay Cutler  
gmenatlarge : 9/11/2018 6:47 pm : link
In comment 14071648 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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Of tackles.


Cutler had ability...Flowers not so much...
He is single-handedly  
gmenatlarge : 9/11/2018 6:51 pm : link
Dragging the entire offense down and needs to be replaced now,
RE: Its entirely possible  
Rick5 : 9/11/2018 6:53 pm : link
In comment 14071540 ron mexico said:
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that he did the appropriate amount of film work and was just grasping at straws for excuses for a bad play.

From what I have gathered, his preparation is not the issue. Its just when the bullets are flying it all goes out the window.

This seems far more likely to me. I think that it is probably more likely that Flowers struggled to answer questions on the fly than it is that the coaching staff did not have him prepared.
I didn't read this entire thread  
Ryan in Albany : 9/11/2018 7:00 pm : link
so if someone already said this forgive me but, throw Wheeler in there. Even if he is worse than Flowers. At least we know he'd put more of an effort into his job. JFC, what an embarrassment Flowers is.
RE: RE: Flowers is a bag of stinking hot garbage.  
superspynyg : 9/11/2018 8:04 pm : link
In comment 14071565 allstarjim said:
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In comment 14071502 superspynyg said:


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I would rather have a struggling Wheeler than Flowers. At least I know Wheeler will play hard every play and give it his all.



I get it with his play and all and the huge lapses of competency, but he is a human being. These guys aren't commodities where basic human dignity doesn't apply.

A bag of stinking hot garbage?

Yes, it's a bad quote, and is revealing of a lack of prep. But players shouldn't be referred to this way


This is from a football player perspective not. It has nothing to do with him as a person.
Geoff Schwartz shouldn't be an authority on anything  
jcn56 : 9/11/2018 8:10 pm : link
but being injured and collecting a paycheck.

Flowers has been awful, but it's likely not due to his preparation or work ethic. He's on a new set of coaches, and they've praised his work ethic, when they could just as easily use it to disclaim his difficulties and make life easier on themselves. Besides, something basic like that would be just as much on the OL coach as it would be on Flowers, and I doubt they'd make such a huge error.

He stinks, but it's likely not related to how hard he works at it.
RE: We have to trade for a RT  
Gman11 : 9/11/2018 8:37 pm : link
In comment 14071721 Koffman said:
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Flowers incompetence severely limits what the offense can do.

The experiment is over ! Trade for a competent replacement !


Yeah, because there are teams out there that are eagerly awaiting a call from somebody so they can trade their starting RT. Starting caliber RTs are everywhere. Just go get one.
That Trip .....  
Bluesbreaker : 9/11/2018 8:49 pm : link
was just as bad as the Face mask on Barkley both could be
close to ejections imo
Tuck was badly injured and that face mask to me is about
as dirty as it gets . I was friggen irate gonna break the
guys neck because he is by you fuck that ass hole .
Flowers is on thin ice period ..
RE: RE: We have to trade for a RT  
Jimmy Googs : 9/11/2018 11:24 pm : link
In comment 14072000 Gman11 said:
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In comment 14071721 Koffman said:


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Flowers incompetence severely limits what the offense can do.

The experiment is over ! Trade for a competent replacement !



Yeah, because there are teams out there that are eagerly awaiting a call from somebody so they can trade their starting RT. Starting caliber RTs are everywhere. Just go get one.


We don't need their starting RT. We need a player that is aspiring to be a starting RT. Because that is an upgrade to what we have now.
Geoff Schwartz was a good player in the league for several years  
Mike from SI : 9/11/2018 11:46 pm : link
and unfortunately kept getting injured when he was here. Was it his fault he got injured? Unless Flowers turns it around quickly, Schwartz will have had a much better career than him.
ridiculous over-reaction!!!  
xtian : 9/12/2018 4:56 pm : link
has to be a poor explanation from flowers. there is no way he did not know what type of player[s] he was up against. even if he didn't study film on his own--which i doubt--he was in tons of meetings, and the coaches and the players would have brought up all the ins-n-outs of each defensive player, especially a pro-bowler. geez, peeps!
Didn't Richburg suggest that Flowers  
.McL. : 9/12/2018 5:15 pm : link
did not prepare well enough?

Not that Richburg is anything special... Just sayin', it's not like this hasn't been suggested before by insiders.
On the interception  
.McL. : 9/12/2018 5:17 pm : link
He bit on the fake blitz by the LB. But if that LB blitzed, he was still 1v1 on the end, Omameh has to pick it up and Halapio has to slide over to get the tackle.
RE: Didn't Richburg suggest that Flowers  
ron mexico : 9/12/2018 6:12 pm : link
In comment 14073045 .McL. said:
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did not prepare well enough?

Not that Richburg is anything special... Just sayin', it's not like this hasn't been suggested before by insiders.


I don't think so. Rich burg made some comment that all the OL should be attending the Bentley? training regimen that he (and I think hart) attended

Unless you are referencing something else.

There was a comment that he doesn't hang out with the other OL in their off time.
Ereck Flowers  
johnboyw : 9/12/2018 8:16 pm : link
Do we need any more data to prove that Reese and Ross had no clue how to evaluate players? I'm constantly reminded that All Pro tackle Taylor Decker was drafted 4 or 5 picks after Flowers. Nice job fellas.
As for Flowers himself, it only took one game at RT for me to be convinced he simply cannot play in the NFL. Too many athletic and mental limitations that cannot be overcome. Throw Wheeler in there and put one of the blocking TEs on that side until he's comfortable. And whack Flowers!
RE: Ereck Flowers  
BigBlue4You09 : 9/13/2018 1:08 am : link
In comment 14073156 johnboyw said:
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Do we need any more data to prove that Reese and Ross had no clue how to evaluate players? I'm constantly reminded that All Pro tackle Taylor Decker was drafted 4 or 5 picks after Flowers. Nice job fellas.
As for Flowers himself, it only took one game at RT for me to be convinced he simply cannot play in the NFL. Too many athletic and mental limitations that cannot be overcome. Throw Wheeler in there and put one of the blocking TEs on that side until he's comfortable. And whack Flowers!


Um, what?! Taylor Decker was taken in a completely separate draft than Flowers. And only played in 8 games last year. No All Pro at all
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