Pat Shurmur as a play caller

So not good. But let's see what happens when we're not playing the Jax defense.

knee jerk reactions to 1 week will lead you to believe the Giants are awful and the Jets are going to the Super Bowl.

don't understand why this isn't a bigger issue

how can you be head coach and manage the game
and also be managing the offense

mcadoo did the same thing
and we never got scored more than 30 points in a game

is on the money. I thought he called a lot of plays to get Eli moved out of teh pocket and he seemed to have a better feel for situations than Mac did.

That being said, hopefully he doesn't get too cute in the red zone. No reverses when the defense is bunched in a 10 yard area please.

In comment 14071746 giantfan2000 said:

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don't understand why this isn't a bigger issue how can you be head coach and manage the game and also be managing the offense mcadoo did the same thing and we never got scored more than 30 points in a game

Just because McAdoo failed at something doesn't mean someone else will. That wasn't the reason we couldn't score 30 points in a game.

and to do that would be so stupid. First game, new parts, OL sucks, best defense in the league.

Look at it this way, last year's offense would have been shut out.

on the subject. We played the best D in the land and hung in there. Verdict is still out.

In comment 14071749 BestFeature said:

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In comment 14071746 giantfan2000 said: Quote: don't understand why this isn't a bigger issue how can you be head coach and manage the game and also be managing the offense mcadoo did the same thing and we never got scored more than 30 points in a game Just because McAdoo failed at something doesn't mean someone else will. That wasn't the reason we couldn't score 30 points in a game.

This. Payton, McCarthy, McVay, Pederson, Reid, and O'Brien all call plays as the head coach. It's not impossible because McAdoo couldn't do it. Those are some of the league's best offenses

he did a good job getting the ball to his playmakers all over the field (2/3's of the plays he called went to OBJ or SB), but at the same time he also involved gave his secondary options chances to make plays downfield (especially Engram). Overall he took a lot of shots downfield that were close to connecting and any 1 of them would have changed the dynamic of the game. Pass/run stayed pretty balanced. He used a bunch of formations/personnel groupings. He tried to hide his weakness (OL) with backs/TE's chipping. His decision to go on 4th down was a good one as were his decisions to kick FG's. I thought there were a lot of positives.

The offense no doubt left points on the field for a variety of sloppy reasons like penalties, drops, overthrows, missed assignments - but 1st game of the year against a good opponent in wet conditions certainly played a part in that as well.

In comment 14071746 giantfan2000 said:

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how can you be head coach and manage the game and also be managing the offense

You should ask Sean Payton. I'd say he's done a pretty good job.

I didn't like some of the calls, but he was not predictable at all, which is great to see. There were players open all over the field, if only Eli had more time to find them. I think he is still learning his personnel as well, so it will only get better with time (and facing easier defenses).

Plus I'm sure he wasn't going to show all our tricks in the first game with a non division opponent.

They also probably have a lot of new plays they are working on that are too raw to use in a game yet.

Dropped passes and overthrown balls and interception and missed blocks were the problem.

Engram makes some plays and if Sheppard did not drop the ball we could have won.

run/pass balance
getting the ball to playmakers
scheming to help OL
decision making
shots downfield

the reverse on third down in the red zone?

Two point play was stupid too, but that was an audible built into the system according to Eli.

on third down was really unimpressive. Run that on first or second down, or inside the five.

Barkley needs more catches, plain and simple. I have to guess that will happen much more.

In comment 14071777 rocco8112 said:

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the reverse on third down in the red zone? Two point play was stupid too, but that was an audible built into the system according to Eli.

Agree on the reverse. And I agree it’s much too soon to judge.

I do like how he stuck with the run despite getting stuffed early.

Let’s see how he’s able to adapt after losing a tough draw against Jax

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Some questionable decisions by Shurmur.

the execution sucked. 15 points on offense is not on the playcaller.

Having said that I also agree that it is too early to be conclusive.

I don't agree that it is impossible to be a head coach and a play caller. I've no preference, as long as the team is able to score points offensively and win games.

Some bizarre calls on Sunday but who knows how execution impacted the outcome. My problem is with the playcalling on the 2 point conversion attempt in the second half when it was obvious that the running game was not going to get anywhere up the middle.

I generally liked that there was a clear effort to get the ball into Beckham's and Barkley's hands.

I didn't like it as much down by the goal line. I don't think we should be trying to run the ball with 7 or 8 blockers on our offensive line. To me it makes more sense to spread the field with our weapons and make the defense make a choice between singling Beckham/Engram or giving Barkley a friendly run look.

...to make a determination on play calling after one game.

Based on what I saw, I thought his play calling was good. The players sucked, IMO.

Eli missed on some key throws to OBJ, and Shepard had a crucial drop.

And moving the QB in the pocket was a welcome sight.

3rd and 6 under 2 mins left

We load 4 WRs including Barkley & Odell on right side

On Flowers side

So once Flowers gets beaten by his one man and blows up play

Eli cant throw to right

You have allowed Flowers guy to take out 5 people including our 2 best playmakers and 4 options

Eli only choice is his one guy to the left.

We essentially went all in on Flowers for games biggest play

In comment 14071825 Go Terps said:

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I generally liked that there was a clear effort to get the ball into Beckham's and Barkley's hands. I didn't like it as much down by the goal line. I don't think we should be trying to run the ball with 7 or 8 blockers on our offensive line. To me it makes more sense to spread the field with our weapons and make the defense make a choice between singling Beckham/Engram or giving Barkley a friendly run look.

I think he knew quick passes in the RZ against the speed of their back 8 was a recipe for trouble. He definitely got conservative in the RZ, but I think he foresaw them have rangy guys like Smith/Jack jumping short passes. I think the idea was to create space by getting the heavier guys close to the LOS. Also I believe that trip in the RZ was earlier in the game so I think he was just generally being conservative in what was a defensive game.

In comment 14071928 Eric on Li said:

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In comment 14071825 Go Terps said: Quote: I generally liked that there was a clear effort to get the ball into Beckham's and Barkley's hands. I didn't like it as much down by the goal line. I don't think we should be trying to run the ball with 7 or 8 blockers on our offensive line. To me it makes more sense to spread the field with our weapons and make the defense make a choice between singling Beckham/Engram or giving Barkley a friendly run look. I think he knew quick passes in the RZ against the speed of their back 8 was a recipe for trouble. He definitely got conservative in the RZ, but I think he foresaw them have rangy guys like Smith/Jack jumping short passes. I think the idea was to create space by getting the heavier guys close to the LOS. Also I believe that trip in the RZ was earlier in the game so I think he was just generally being conservative in what was a defensive game.

I'm thinking more fades/jump balls to the back corner. There's no way even Jack or Gipson can play both the run and a quick pass to the sideline. They'd have to commit pre-snap to one or the other. We've got two guys that excel at catching contested balls - let's throw them the ball in 1-on-1 situations.

would have been a relatively low risk play. Especially if he schemed one of those rub routes to try to get some separation. He was definitely overly conservative on that particular possession to not take a single shot in the end zone.

I am completely fine with 4 consecutive jump balls to Beckham and/or Engram in single coverage against anyone in the league. These are the guys we're living and dying with; it's how the team is built.

What I don't want to do is count on anyone on the offensive line to get a push.

I agree it was conservative to run him again on 2nd down and that it was even more conservative to run again on 3rd down from the 8. But I'm fine with the run on first down and using heavy personnel to try to keep some balance, especially in the condensed area of the field where it's a lot harder to pass the ball. Would just hope next time they are a little more aggressive with the 3rd down call.

I hate, and you see it throughout the league, is the 2nd and goal running play. Unless you score a TD there, the play is basically a wasted down. Run it on first down. Fine. But if you aren't at the 3 or closer, the other plays should be passes.

it's hard to complain.

McAdoo was the only NFL coach I'ver ever seen where the average weekly fan could have called a better game.

Need better execution. If receivers hung onto footballs, we probably would have won the game. Additionally, Barkley needs to really consider stretching out for the first down on those short yardage plays and last, but not least is getting push on the Oline. We were manhandled at times and no offense can be effective when they’re getting pushed around.

not his fault receivers can't catch and the QB can't make the throws

I'm not sure it was anything special --one time in the end zone on the basis of an individual effort. So not bad, but let's see more.

consideration in anyone's analysis?

i was there is was very cold and wet. wasnt ideal for passing.

I guess 3 calls sickout that were odd.
THE WR reverse in red zone
The 4th and 2 play call
The 2pt conversion; using barkley

Shurmer is still learning what players can produce when called on, and those players are still trying to get comfortable with his scheme and play calling. I have a lot of confidence in Shurmer, I think he is an outstanding offensive coach. If they struggle again Sunday, I might be a little concerned.

In comment 14071746 giantfan2000 said:

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don't understand why this isn't a bigger issue how can you be head coach and manage the game and also be managing the offense mcadoo did the same thing and we never got scored more than 30 points in a game

Philly won the SB with its HC calling plays. Andy Reid has won 180+ games calling his own plays. McAdoo didn't succeed because he was a shitty coach, not because he called his own shitty plays.

In comment 14071746 giantfan2000 said:

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don't understand why this isn't a bigger issue how can you be head coach and manage the game and also be managing the offense mcadoo did the same thing and we never got scored more than 30 points in a game

And there's a list of coaches who have won championships calling their own plays as well. Plenty of guys can be head coach and manage the game and also manage the offense or defense. Andy Reid does it all the time and he may end up in the hall of fame. Doug Petersen did it last season. Bill Walsh, Sean Payton, Mike McCarthy and Sean McVay all call their own plays. It's not a bigger issue because it isn't one until the individual shows he cannot actually handle it.