In hindsight it might have been worth paying Pugh

Chris Hubbard would have been a better choice.

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and Flowers.

Cut Flowers was the move.

Not trade and pay for Ogletree.

Then pay Pugh.

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In comment 14071840 KWALL2 said:

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and Flowers. Cut Flowers was the move. Not trade and pay for Ogletree. Then pay Pugh.

I am having trouble understanding this.

keeping Flowers? Also a bad move

Should have used the money (and that draft pick) on something better. Pugh is better for the team then those 2 and more.

Pugh was a very inconsistent player. And he had trouble staying on the field. He is not missed.

will contribute more to this team than Pugh did last year (or that Pugh will contribute this year I bet).

Ogletree played pretty solidly on Sunday, but I guess people are still up in arms about coverage issues in the preseason.

it was paying Omameh what they did. His debut was disappointing, albeit against a tough opponent (that same caveat applies to the rest of the line, though).

Paying B (or worse) players A money is the biggest reason this team stinks.

hernandez is an upgrade.

After all we did play one game.

there would have been no cap relief in cutting him. Trading his salary would have been a savings, but good luck getting someone to take him.

Would have been nice to have brought in someone, but was there anyone at a decent price?

Pugh and Richburg. Tell Flowers to hit the road. Don't sign Omameh. Play Halapio at guard. There ya go....

would be expensive as hell and cutting Flowers saves nothing.

Then when Pugh and Richburg get injured, then what?? Keep Jones as a backup at $3M??

Omameh to suck donkey balls?

...funny I had the same thought while I was watching Ereck Flowers get abused this Sunday!

And though we have an F-ed up cap situation, it's clear the Giants are in a win-now mode so they could have manipulated salaries/bonuses to give Pugh a big pay day.

The only fly in the ointment is when Pugh sneezes and pulls a muscle that lands him on IR.

Oh, well... on to Dallas, and may the force be with Ereck Flowers.

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BlackburnBalledOut : 7:37 pm : link : reply
hernandez is an upgrade.


When Pugh was healthy, he is better than Hernanadez, or did you miss watching him being pushed backwards yesterday?

Pugh just couldn't be counted on to stay on the field...

...they didn't add anything to the team and work bad in the locker room from all accounts.

Always injured, always whining, and never doing a good job. Flowers is a sunk cost whether he was cut or stayed. They're going to ride Flowers till the end of the year and then he's gone. Omameh is a band aid till they can get the line fixed. And I believe that DG has a view of how he wants the line, unlike Reese.

Guys like Pugh are what the line doesn't need

In comment 14071897 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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will contribute more to this team than Pugh did last year (or that Pugh will contribute this year I bet). Ogletree played pretty solidly on Sunday, but I guess people are still up in arms about coverage issues in the preseason.

He also gave up a TD in coverage that was called back by penalty, no?

were both great moves by DG. Pugh was decent/solid when he actually played. But you can't have a guy, let alone a solid starter on this below average OLine miss around 4-7-8 games per year. Too much.

was supposed to be '4-6-8' games. But, same thing. You get the idea.

Pugh helped the cardinals to a whopping 61 yds rushing, credited with giving up a sack, and while I take it with a grain of salt, scored lower than Hernandez by PFF. Pugh was unexceptional, always hurt, and may have had a toxic attitude. Zona can have him

The only options with this guy is G. You can't hide him at RT. It doesn't work.

Ogletree makes more than Pugh.

I'll take Pugh (and the picks) over Ogletree all day.

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In comment 14071897 FatMan in Charlotte said: Quote: will contribute more to this team than Pugh did last year (or that Pugh will contribute this year I bet). Ogletree played pretty solidly on Sunday, but I guess people are still up in arms about coverage issues in the preseason. He also gave up a TD in coverage that was called back by penalty, no?

Are you talking about seferian Jenkins td catch? Seemed like a great catch to me. Not sure I would be too hard on ogletree on that one, but maybe you're looking to be argumentative

keep pugh, and flowers. Keep flowers as a swing tackle. Don't sign jstewart. Maybe don't trade JPP and cut him at the end of this year. Sign Solder, Draft Hernandez, Sign Omameh.

Bad attitude supposedly. Always hurt. They weren't going to go deep to keep him.

Pugh and Richburg (in a different manner than JPP, DRC, Hart) were determined to be part of the problem in the locker room.

it was not worth paying him -- he was part of the problem and not part of the solution

In comment 14071902 Go Terps said:

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Paying B (or worse) players A money is the biggest reason this team stinks.

When you miss on so many draft picks in consecutive years this is the fastest way to improve (hopefully).

Hernandez is a rookie and played his first real action against arguable the best defense in the NFL, he'll continue to develop and be a very good player. Live with the growing pains, despite some(but not much) false optimism going into this season this was always going to be a two year rebuild.Omameh is an average starter as is Pugh except Omameh stays healthy. So paying Pugh is a bad idea and DG got it right.

So where is the problem? RT and OC.

In today's NFL teams seek matchups for their best pass rushers and move them around accodingly. I don't like MacAdon't but he;s right on Flowers. The man is stiff, can't bend and will always be a liability on the edge. He needs to move inside if he's able until he's replaced next season.

Halapio is just not very good. Can't anchor and doesn't switch well on stunts. So the Brett Jones deal was a terrible move and their assessment of that position battle was a major fail on the coaching staff. Let's hope Pulley gets up to speed quickly and replaces him because he's a backup in this league.

be better at guard instead?

In comment 14071815 j_rud said:

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Aside from the injuries there were fairly strong hints that he was one of the malcontents.

I've seen this said before but not sure where this is coming from. What leads you to think this?

is probably going to be better at Guard, simply because it is hard to be worse than he is at Tackle.

But it is a moot point. You can't move him from Tackle until there is a viable replacement. This is his year to work it out or he's gone. Unfortunately, we didn't sign a swing Tackle that can come right in and play at a higher level, so we have to hope that flowers either levels out, or his shitty play doesn't derail the season.

had a reputation in the locker room of being in it for himself and putting himself above the team.

There were a lot of whispers that he wasn't playing when dinged up to save himself for a next contract and he threw a lot of teammates under the bus internally.

Basically, the atmosphere reported was one where he and Richburg were in opposition to the other linemen.

the BBI police would have gone defcon 4. Who knows if a single word of that is true. But we know for a fact that Pugh is average and often injured and that the Giants needed some new faces. So I think it was a good call and the right call to let him leave. Richburg too for the same reasons.

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If someone else had posted this ^ arniefez : 11:04 am : link : reply the BBI police would have gone defcon 4. Who knows if a single word of that is true.

I'm pretty sure JonC and a few others know which words are true, and they've intimated it here for a couple of years.

Getting one to understand what they are trying to say seemingly is really fucking difficult.

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is very good in not spelling out exactly what the situation is, and if you want to think he's wrong, that's fine, but it really shouldn't be that difficult to read between the lines unless you really don't care to.

arnie is probably just pissed it isn't something else he can kill ownership over....

You don't need to listen to any whispers -- the guy himself literally blamed an injury on the team for asking him to move positions.

Nothing ambiguous about the nonsense behind that.

Take that in for a moment -- in his head the team asking him to do what was best for the team caused an injury.

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from the player.

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from the player.

Right -- just a confirmation he's a strange bird and not self aware.

when he hints at things he really can't say in a public forum. I have no issue there and certainly can make my own decisions what to buy and what to sell. Like others have said Pugh didn't exactly hide what was whispered about him.

and yet you still posted this steaming pile of horseshit:

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If someone else had posted this ^ arniefez : 11:04 am : link : reply the BBI police would have gone defcon 4. Who knows if a single word of that is true.

So you're basically saying you know it is true? Fucking par for the course.

Then draft an OL or 2.

But why does that bother some of the same people who guzzled down the Davis Webb kool aid by the bucketful? He's another guy who never got tired of talking about himself.

Ryan Ramczyk would be the do-over pick, but changing history is a worthless endeavor.

..because its a catchy phrase and NOT because you need the inside three to hold their ground with a 37y old mid-line thrower, I'm not sure they get it. Pugh didn't fit the job description, which also included keeping your mouth shut.