Trying to make ( 4.42 forty) Evan Engram a tight end ? - when they are officially HURTING for somebody to start opposite OBJ.
Not for lack of trying, he gets pummeled by 300+ pound linemen, I keep asking myself, why Giants, why ?
Stop wasting him attending linemen meetings, value him for what he is - a good big, fast, agile Wide Receiver; teach him how to be a great one then put him in front of one of these, till he sees this machine in his dreams ....
http://www.tennisballmachines.co.uk/americanfootballmachine/fgfootballpassingmachine2002.jpg
Strictly speaking, that’s probably 12 personnel. But that group can give you 11 and 21 looks that would make your head spin.
He's a faster Aaron Hernandez (but not a murderer and with worse hands).
Point is though, he's not a traditional TE.
Now, not to be understated the Patriots had the luxury of an elite blocking and receiving TE with Gronk to have on the field with Hernandez, but here is Aaron Hernandez usage in 2011 (the season the Giants beat them in SB XLVI).
Of the two, Hernandez is actually the primary target when both are on the field. In those circumstances, he was targeted 104 times for 75 receptions. Gronkowski had 87 targets and 64 receptions when Hernandez was on the field.
The difference, of course, is that Gronkowski saw many more snaps as the lone tight end. Hernandez acts as much more of a wild card in the offense.
As John McTigue noted in the Stats & Info Blog, Hernandez lined up as a wide receiver for 505 snaps compared to just 255 snaps as a tight end on the line. There were even 61 snaps where he lined up at running back.
Of the two, Gronkowski is far more likely to stay in and pass-block. Hernandez was a pass-blocker on just 2.2 percent of the passing plays for which he was on the field. Compare that to 11.5 percent for Gronkowski.
Indeed, Hernandez was a pass-blocker on only 11 plays in 2011. That's the same number as Kevin Faulk. The only tight end who pass-blocks less often is San Diego's Antonio Gates....
You don't move Engram to WR. Even if he lines up at WR on some plays having the deception of is he going to motion out to a traditional TE spot, or just not knowing, probably still puts a LB on him in coverage.
As a WR he's getting a CB, and he'll have a size advantage over a CB, but he won't have the speed advantage or lack of coverage advantage that he'd have over a LB and most safeties.
He's a TE that needs to be used creatively, to create a massive mismatch, that should benefit all the offensive players on the field.
He has to catch the ball though.
As a WR he's getting a CB, and he'll have a size advantage over a CB, but he won't have the speed advantage or lack of coverage advantage that he'd have over a LB and most safeties.
How does a guy who runs 4.42 not have a speed advantage. That's as fast or faster than most CBs and most WRs for that matter. We've had some exceptionally fast CBs recently but 4.42 is plenty fast enough to create an advantage. And as a WR that's faster than S. Shepard or Jarvis Landry or Michael Thomas or Antonio Brown for instance.
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As a WR he's getting a CB, and he'll have a size advantage over a CB, but he won't have the speed advantage or lack of coverage advantage that he'd have over a LB and most safeties.
How does a guy who runs 4.42 not have a speed advantage. That's as fast or faster than most CBs and most WRs for that matter. We've had some exceptionally fast CBs recently but 4.42 is plenty fast enough to create an advantage. And as a WR that's faster than S. Shepard or Jarvis Landry or Michael Thomas or Antonio Brown for instance.
Fair enough, but it's less of an advantage than it is against most LB's or S's.
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Fair enough, but it's less of an advantage than it is against most LB's or S's.
Agreed but what are you giving away to get that. Almost everyone on this thread seems to want to ignore that fact the Engram is 6'3" 240. That's 2" shorter and 20 lbs lighter than the "average" guy who plays TE in the NFL. Go look at the rosters. Heck, look at ours. Both our other TEs are 6'5" 255. This is the NFL and when it come to blocking, size matters.
And running a 4.42, he's going to out-run and out-jump most NFL CBs; and out-wrestle all of them for the ball;(there might be a few safeties that challenge but probably none that beat him).
So, there you have it, an excellent full-time receiver prospect playing TE (while a Bromcos reject is playing the role of decoy).
I'm thinking they will split him out once-in-a-while (because they were doing that in training camp), their purest intent, however, is to make make him a TE - which is what object to; we'll see ...
There's myopia at play, but it's occurring in this thread with people who cannot bend around the idea that they may not actually understand what they're seeing with how Engram is used on the field. The Giants aren't trying to use him as a "legitimate blocking TE" or in a traditional TE role.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1038917386706083840
That Engram blocked (he did make a very good block, possibly surprising him).
In the play-of-the game, #44, Myles Jack caught Engram, cutting him off and bouncing him off the field. Jack is an amazing player, maybe the best player on the field, that night.
I give Engram his due at the L.O.S., but in a "mano-a-mano" tussle, I just don't see him winning those. Why bother, I'm just asking.
As far as the second guessing about his use, isn't that part of the fun around here ?
Now it is just absurdity:
"Possibly surprising him"? Fuck us all.
He should just be more like Flowers and not try as hard...