Not 2016 - but this year.
So much was made of the actual money shelled out to fix the defense in 2016, but the expenditure this year isn't far off and the big investment has been in the offense.
The perception is probably different because Beckham is an extension and not an acquisition, but money is money and cap space is cap space.
A decent argument can be made all of the acquisitions in 2016 where a net plus, and extending Beckham already under contract is net neutral.
Now the ROI on Vernon can be debated, but why so much noise about Reese spending Mara/Tisch money and not Gettleman?
I know this doesn't cover everyone but as far as big payouts:
2018
Beckham Jr. - 65M guaranteed
Solder - 34.8 guaranteed
Omameh - 10.05 guaranteed
109.85
2016
Jenkins - 28M guaranteed
Harrison - 24M guaranteed
Vernon - 52M guaranteed
Pierre Paul - 10.5M guaranteed
114.5
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In comment 14072003 Gman11 said:
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Omameh is going to be a big mistake like giving a big contract to JPP was.
Its only a big hit this year. He can basically be released next year and there wont be any dead money.
If Omameh is released before next season he's a 7.6M dead money hit - nearly 75% of his deal. That seems pretty big to me.
It's essentially a two year deal.
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Just curious on your sense. How much did Eli factor in decisions this offseason? Any truth to the idea there was a strong desire to win one more with our guy? Or did was that not a factor? I know many folks here have opinions, one way or another. What is yours?
Uber, I haven't heard anyone say it, but it seems to me the decisions have clearly pointed at winning one more with Eli leading the way. The Saquon pick cemented it for me.
At the same time, right now the talent isn't there to win it all, and we'll need to see how DG attacks this next offseason and beyond.
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Tough pill to swallow paying A+ money for B+ talent, to borrow from Terps. I think it's entirely accurate.
I understand the open market dictates cost and it's highly competitive. But, they so rarely wind up paying the dividends we're investing towards.
I've no problem with OB's deal, he's a franchise talent and you need to pay them and keep them to build around.
Omameh is a marginal signing, a team desperate for OL literally had few options. At least it's "cheap".
People said the same thing about Harrison and Jenkins, but those have worked out so now they keep their mouth shut about them.
Your attitude is lame.
I've posted many times I was wrong about Jenkins, and Scacks wasn't a bad contract up front.
That wasn't actually directed towards you. I just responded to your comment because it was related.
But Jints Central hasn’t demonstrated their talent evaluation chops since the 2008 SB. Sure, we won the SB in ‘12 but that looks more and more like a complete and total outlier.
And until we if DG can be counted on the jury is still out him. Frankly, I don’t know how anybody can be too sold on him considering the how fake the search was with Mara consulting with Accorsi. Basically showing the fix was in for DG...
But Jints Central hasn’t demonstrated their talent evaluation chops since the 2008 SB. Sure, we won the SB in ‘12 but that looks more and more like a complete and total outlier.
And until we if DG can be counted on the jury is still out him. Frankly, I don’t know how anybody can be too sold on him considering the how fake the search was with Mara consulting with Accorsi. Basically showing the fix was in for DG...
The Giants were rumored to like John Dorsey very much but the Browns moved quickly to secure his services. They didn't want him to go for his interview with the Giants. Had Dorsey interviewed I think he would have been the GM and our draft would have been much different.
What a team has to figure is not "are we paying him more than he is worth?" Rather, the calculus a team has to make is "does this spending make us better than if we spent the money another way?"
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Omameh is going to be a big mistake like giving a big contract to JPP was.
Its only a big hit this year. He can basically be released next year and there wont be any dead money.
If Omameh is released before next season he's a 7.6M dead money hit - nearly 75% of his deal. That seems pretty big to me.
Omameh's deal isn't bad and I'm not sure where you're seeing $7.6M in dead money. They could release him now and he'd only cost $5.5M in dead money. Releasing him next offseason would save ~$3M in cap space ($6.25M cap hit with him vs $3.1M dead money).
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You're not. Other people may have. Omameh's signing bonus of $4.5m and his 2018 and 2019 base salary are guaranteed. The Giants are responsible for all of that if he's cut. Omameh is here until the end of 2019. After that, the contract is an easy out.
But rather than scoping out a plan for using the huge cap space to determine the future course of the team, the front office simply reacted to 2015's deficiencies. At no point did they seem to say, "We're committed to our QB, but he's 35 years old and immobile - how do we best equip this team to succeed with him running it?" There were excellent offensive linemen in that FA class - two or possibly three could have been signed for the amount that was spent on Vernon alone. And then there was the mystifying decision to apply the franchise tag to JPP.
$200 million is a lot of cap space. Spent well it can be the bedrock of a good team. Spent poorly and it's an anchor. Here we are two years later with no offensive line and no pass rush.
Reactive rather than proactive. No plan.
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a left tackle. There's no other way.
Yup. Andrew Whitworth at 37 got some nice coin. (less than Solder though)
Whitworth is also an all-pro level elite Left Tackle. He's the huge miss on the Giants. And his contract was very reasonable.
Of course, we now have the benefit of hindsight.
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You're not. Other people may have. Omameh's signing bonus of $4.5m and his 2018 and 2019 base salary are guaranteed. The Giants are responsible for all of that if he's cut. Omameh is here until the end of 2019. After that, the contract is an easy out.
Either Spotrac or OTC is wrong. OTC has only $100k of his 2019 base guaranteed.
This is Vernon's seventh year in the league and third with the Giants. NFL players don't blossom in their seventh season. What you've seen is what you're gonna get: 6.5 to 8.5 sacks a season.