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NFT: Le’Veon Bell is getting bad advice.

GMEN46 : 9/11/2018 9:04 pm
He is going to end up firing his agent for bad advice when this is all said and done.. Does he really think some team is going to offer him a mega contract after this act he is pulling? He will be a year older next year and running backs just don’t get big deals. If he sits out 10 weeks he is going to pass up $8.5mm. He isn’t going to make that up and no team is going to give him some mega contract as a rb.
The fact that Pittsburgh dont lose a beat with Conner  
George from PA : 9/11/2018 9:18 pm : link
Bell will be so screwed....as many will conclude....its the system, not the man
Completely disagree  
BigBlue4You09 : 9/11/2018 9:18 pm : link
Look at the contracts being handed out around the league. He’s going to get a massive deal elsewhere just like he deserves.

And it’s not “one year older”. It’s one year with less wear and tear on his body.

NFT?  
Mr. Bungle : 9/11/2018 9:22 pm : link
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Yet another topic with another thread posted  
UConn4523 : 9/11/2018 9:31 pm : link
this very same day.

Bells advice is just fine, maybe you don’t understand how the NFL works. The Jets, for example, have a ton of cap space available and will be willing spenders in 2019 FA. They will be a likely destination.

He will get a huge deal barring injury, it’s virtually a guarantee.
No he isn’t  
KWALL2 : 9/11/2018 9:33 pm : link
Fail.
It’s in fact not hard to consider Bell’s side  
mfsd : 9/11/2018 10:08 pm : link
Pittsburgh isn’t giving him a long term deal and knows he’s gone after this year...they have no incentive not to run him into the ground this year.

Think back to Jamal Anderson with the Falcons in 98. He carried 410 times for 1800+ yards and carried the Falcons to a 14-2 record and the Super Bowl...and he was essentially shot after that, missed more than half of his games the next 3 years and was out of the league.

There’s always a knee jerk reaction by many fans that the player is all about the money and doesn’t care about the team. But it’s reasonable to think about a player looking to protect his earnings potential and long term health too
He is getting advice from his baby mama  
fredgbrown : 9/11/2018 10:19 pm : link


She has to get a whole lot of pampers and her nails & hair done.
Well that was an odd post  
BigBlue4You09 : 9/11/2018 10:23 pm : link
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Definitely  
King Quis : 9/12/2018 3:05 am : link
Is making the best play in this situation and it’ll be the Jets that give him the biggest contract for a rb in NFL history.
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Mdgiantsfan : 9/12/2018 4:45 am : link
It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. As a fan and even as a teammate, he's pretty much put a big dent in their plans to do anything significant this season. They should still be in the conversation, but it's hard to see how they are a real threat without their, at worst 3rd best player.

He has a right to look out for his own interest, but he threw up a middle finger to his teammates and fans. And yes management is at fault as well, but he is refusing to play for $14.5M.

Despite Gurley and Johnson getting paid, I'm not sure if other teams are now of the mindset to pay RBs their just due. Especially paying a free agent back with some mileage.
Why do so many people assume the players are puppets  
robbieballs2003 : 9/12/2018 6:18 am : link
and their agents have full control over them? You know the agent gets paid by the player and therefore is supposed to do what the player wants and not the other way around, right?
You can also give Bell  
UConn4523 : 9/12/2018 6:35 am : link
most of his guaranteed money in years 1 and 2, so teams like the Giants can afford him while they have a ton of cap up front.

Great players get paid, who’s the last one that wasn’t?
I understand  
mattyblue : 9/12/2018 7:46 am : link
that he is trying to get paid and who can blame the guy. What I don’t understand now is why the refusal to play now for the 14 million or whatever. Yes he saves “wear and tear” but I would have to imagine that the more time he misses the lower the payday would be for him. Doesn’t he even lower his value by becoming a so called distraction? Look at Cousins it worked pretty well for him.

Also as pointed out above I doubt the agent convinced him to do any of this. I would guess the opposite in fact.
Because every game he doesn’t play  
UConn4523 : 9/12/2018 8:06 am : link
increases his likelihood of hitting FA without an injury. And GMs who run these oragnizations don’t do so the way fans want them to. “Ohh he’s refusing to play, he’s not a team player, we are going to decrease our offer”.

That doesn’t make sense in the business world. First, if he wasn’t a team player because of this then why offer anything at all? You are either interested in him or you aren’t and if you are, you are going to make him the top paid RB in the league.
The Steelers offer was garbage with guarantees ...  
Boy Cord : 9/12/2018 8:22 am : link
... less than the franchise tag (and a fraction of Gurley and now Johnson). Bell decided he wasn’t going to let the Steelers run him into the ground. He’ll be back before the 11th game then they can part ways at the end of the season.
I don't think the players are puppets, but they're hiring managers  
jcn56 : 9/12/2018 8:35 am : link
the main point to that is to offload contract negotiations and strategy. If you're not on the same page with your agent, then why keep him around?

They offered Bell a contract with $10M in guaranteed money. They might not miss a beat without Bell, but similarly, Bell can probably turn around and get at least double that if not more guaranteed elsewhere. The second he takes the field he's subject to ground and pound (which isn't comparable to Kirk Cousins except for the injury risk), which will diminish his value due to the shorter shelf life of RBs.

He's playing this one perfectly IMO. He's taking some risk playing a few games to get vested this year, unless the Steelers pull the tag and make him a FA outright. Either way, he'll end up with more in his pocket guaranteed instead of promises that are only based on his continued health and production.
Even if Bell..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/12/2018 8:47 am : link
sits out a year, he'll still get a great deal from a team in the offseason.

And he'll get to rest his body. The guaranteed money offered to him was almost insulting.

I'd say he's probably getting the right advice.
Bell is absolutely doing the right thing...  
bw in dc : 9/12/2018 8:50 am : link
and so are the Steelers. I said this yesterday - this is one of those unique situations where I can’t fault either side.

Bell has done more than enough to get a contract like Gurley. And he’s smart to avoid taking on any additional risk by getting hit until he’s got that contract secured.

Meanwhile, I think the Steelers shouldn’t pay Bell because running backs are like McDonald’s - they are everywhere. Sure enough, Connor stepped in and was extremely productive. And the Steelers are likely concerned about Bell’s off the field behavior. One more issue like he’s had means a huge suspension.

This is the ultimate stand off.
There are some fans  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 9/12/2018 9:07 am : link
that always view the player as some money-hungry SOB, or a fool being manipulated by a money-hungry manager.

There are some that expect the players to be in it purely for the joy of football, but for the owners it's a business.
RE: The fact that Pittsburgh dont lose a beat with Conner  
TyreeHelmet : 9/12/2018 9:13 am : link
In comment 14072039 George from PA said:
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Bell will be so screwed....as many will conclude....its the system, not the man


I keep seeing this sentiment and I completely disagree. Bell is a far superior player to Conner. They 100% lose a beat without Bell. Conner isn’t anywhere close to the receiver he is and in the 2nd half of that game Conner really slowed down.

As a fan it sucks not being able to watch Bell. But I agree from a business point what he’s doing.
I’m in the minority maybe  
UConn4523 : 9/12/2018 9:44 am : link
but Pittsburgh absolutely lost a beat without Conner. They don’t tie Cleveland with Bell, pretty obvious to me. The receiving threat out of the backfield is gone. Even if Conner can physically catch the ball he just isn’t a receiver like Bell is, not close at all.
"They don’t tie Cleveland with Bell"  
KWALL2 : 9/12/2018 10:29 am : link
They were -5 on TOs. They don't tie despite that number?

It was the TOs that cost them. Not the RB.
RE:  
UConn4523 : 9/12/2018 10:34 am : link
In comment 14072464 KWALL2 said:
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They were -5 on TOs. They don't tie despite that number?

It was the TOs that cost them. Not the RB.


You can take look to a number of things. I happen to think they are a more efficient offense with him than without him. I’d go so far as to say it’s a fact but don’t want to ruffle any feathers. In my personal opinion they don’t have 5 TOs against a shitty Cleveland team if Bell is playing.
First, Cle isn't a shitty team.  
KWALL2 : 9/12/2018 10:37 am : link
They have talent especially on D.

Ben killed them in the red zone a couple of times. That cost them points.

The RB was excellent in this game. He isn't some lumbering backup. He can play and start for a playoff team which is what I think we'll see from him this year.
The Jets have a ton of cap space  
Jay on the Island : 9/12/2018 10:37 am : link
a need at RB and a young QB that they need to surround with more weapons. There is a good chance the Jets will throw a ton of money at him in free agency. With that said he isn't going to get paid by Pittsburgh and with Conner playing well and looking like a great replacement he has very little leverage. He is costing himself over 800K for every game that he misses.
Jay  
UConn4523 : 9/12/2018 10:42 am : link
he can no longer negotiate with Pittsburgh so none of that matters. The money he’s costing himself will be made back exponentially in his ne guaranteed money. The only “risk” is taking are the games he plays in for Pittsburgh. If he was able to sit out the season he would.
RE: Jay  
Jay on the Island : 9/12/2018 12:33 pm : link
In comment 14072493 UConn4523 said:
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he can no longer negotiate with Pittsburgh so none of that matters. The money he’s costing himself will be made back exponentially in his ne guaranteed money. The only “risk” is taking are the games he plays in for Pittsburgh. If he was able to sit out the season he would.

If he sits out the full 10 games he will have cost himself nearly 9 million in guaranteed money this year. Of course if he gets seriously hurt he will cost himself money but if he stays healthy and plays he won't cost himself money in his next deal. I don't see how he makes more money, especially 9 million more in guaranteed money, by sitting out 10 games.
Gurley got $45 million guaranteed  
UConn4523 : 9/12/2018 12:38 pm : link
Bell will get more. I’d lose $9 million to get 5x it, wouldn’t you?

Bell knows he will get it, that’s why he’s doing it. Like I said earlier if the rules allowed him to sit out the season and forfeit all $14 million or whatever it is he would do it.
RE: It’s in fact not hard to consider Bell’s side  
FStubbs : 9/12/2018 4:25 pm : link
In comment 14072071 mfsd said:
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Pittsburgh isn’t giving him a long term deal and knows he’s gone after this year...they have no incentive not to run him into the ground this year.

Think back to Jamal Anderson with the Falcons in 98. He carried 410 times for 1800+ yards and carried the Falcons to a 14-2 record and the Super Bowl...and he was essentially shot after that, missed more than half of his games the next 3 years and was out of the league.

There’s always a knee jerk reaction by many fans that the player is all about the money and doesn’t care about the team. But it’s reasonable to think about a player looking to protect his earnings potential and long term health too


I forgot what the stat is, but it's something like any player with 350 carries in a year or 40 in a game is literally done after that.
At this point  
MetsAreBack : 9/17/2018 8:16 pm : link
He should come back and refuse to touch the ball more than 15 times a game

Connor has proven he's able to shoulder some of the touches burden anyway.

No reason not to do a Freeman/Coleman type split this season. He'll bell is never healthy come playoff time anyway.
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