I know, I know WGAF??? I signed up for Twitter ten years ago but recently started actually using it. Thought this tweet with pro's discussing the play was pretty cool. Read it or don't! Tweet link - ( New Window )
Flowers had the LB who purposely false stepped. So Eli is likely hoping the blitz comes to hit the swing. But if it doesn't you need to rely on the RT to pick up the DE. I guess my question would be, is Flowers taught to commit that aggresively even if the LB is coming.
so because Flowers was faked out, and failed to make a block, it wasn't his fault?
Omameh's guy overpowered him, but if Eli wasn't avoiding Flowers' man, he wouldn't have been rushed into the decision he made.....to throw a pass he never should have tried...
so because Flowers was faked out, and failed to make a block, it wasn't his fault?
Omameh's guy overpowered him, but if Eli wasn't avoiding Flowers' man, he wouldn't have been rushed into the decision he made.....to throw a pass he never should have tried...
Yes because after 14 years and about 2 dozen of the same incident per season, Eli does what Eli almost always does which is make a poor decision to just throw it up.
You block INSIDE OUT first as an OL, the RB should have chipped the DE. This isn't man blocking, it's zone protection and the back and OT have to KNOW who has who in what situation and furthermore, your 15 year veteran QB shouldn't be heaving the fucking ball into traffic which he has done since his rookie year. Flowers, poop. RB, shitty. Eli, rookie fucking mistake. The play sucked all around, point fingers at whoever pisses you off but all three of those players are to blame for that play. Eli just ducked his head and whipped the ball like a rookie UDFA, not a two time super bowl MVP.
Flowers had the LB who purposely false stepped. So Eli is likely hoping the blitz comes to hit the swing. But if it doesn't you need to rely on the RT to pick up the DE. I guess my question would be, is Flowers taught to commit that aggresively even if the LB is coming.
Since tha backfield is empty and the RB is not helping with protection Flowers has to work from the inside out. He needs to take the LB first. Everyone blocks inside out.
The LB bluffed and Flowers is left out to dry. Ohoma gets destroyed and Eli was going to hit Saquon in the flat, but it gets blown up.
As I said, Barkley is the primary receiver from the start, he is *NOT* going to chip here.
The way the Jags lined up, it's clear that they have potentially 3 rushers against 2 blockers if 50 blitzes.
If the protection call was to have Flowers pick up the blitz, then that's a major screw up. That is a nonsensical protection. Flowers should ALWAYS be 1v1 against the DE. Omameh has to read the blitz and slide over to pick it up, in which case Halapio has to pick up the DT. As it is, Halapio should be looking right to see if he can help... Its 4 against 2 on the left!
I find it extremely hard to believe that the protection call was to make Flowers have a duel read there. Eli is a veteran, I gotta believe he would have overridden the line call and changed it.
So IMHO, Flowers made a huge mental error here by biting on the fake blitz. That LB was never his man to pick up. He should be 100% focused on the DE. Link - ( New Window )
he is 100% correct as he often is. We had a blocking issue and our QB stepped up in the pocket and proceeded to throw an errant ball under pressure. Not a good play all around.
Andre Williams replying to Geoff:
“Geoff that doesn't make any sense. You have to account for the 4 down first. if the edge is shortened from the jump, the play has no chance. 50 has to run with the RB, that's why he's free release. If 50 doesn't run with RB, Eli throws hot.”
Adam Gettis replying to Andre Williams:
“But we don’t know 50 has the back. We have to assume 50 is coming since he steps up that much. Empty rules say squeeze then work out if he doesn’t come”
Williams to Gettis:
“Cookie cutter empty pro. But bet money Eli sat down in the protection meeting for Jags blitz looks & said, "if we get this look and it's empty pro, I'ma gamble and leave the pro as is & throw the angle route hot. SB get your head around quick if you see Telvin step up."
Geoff Schwartz:
“I know I bash Flowers often but this isn't his fault. It's empty protection and Flowers has the dual read. He has the LB to the DE. He takes the right set and the LB takes steps towards him. He's got to step up to protect his inside gap. It's a disguise from the Jags D.”
Andre Williams replying to Geoff:
“Geoff that doesn't make any sense. You have to account for the 4 down first. if the edge is shortened from the jump, the play has no chance. 50 has to run with the RB, that's why he's free release. If 50 doesn't run with RB, Eli throws hot.”
Adam Gettis replying to Andre Williams:
“But we don’t know 50 has the back. We have to assume 50 is coming since he steps up that much. Empty rules say squeeze then work out if he doesn’t come”
Williams to Gettis:
“Cookie cutter empty pro. But bet money Eli sat down in the protection meeting for Jags blitz looks & said, "if we get this look and it's empty pro, I'ma gamble and leave the pro as is & throw the angle route hot. SB get your head around quick if you see Telvin step up."
If the protection call was to have Flowers pick up the blitz, then that's a major screw up. That is a nonsensical protection. Flowers should ALWAYS be 1v1 against the DE. Omameh has to read the blitz and slide over to pick it up, in which case Halapio has to pick up the DT. As it is, Halapio should be looking right to see if he can help... Its 4 against 2 on the left!
I find it extremely hard to believe that the protection call was to make Flowers have a duel read there. Eli is a veteran, I gotta believe he would have overridden the line call and changed it.
So IMHO, Flowers made a huge mental error here by biting on the fake blitz. That LB was never his man to pick up. He should be 100% focused on the DE. Link - ( New Window )
Protection works inside out. There was no mental error. Flowers has to take the man on the shortest route to the QB, the LB coming from the inside gap. That is the way pass pro works.
It was a great play design by the Jags.
Upon Further Review, Manning's Pick Six Against Jags... Â
...I'm not sure if Ereck Flowers deserves all the fan ire he's received.
He was left on an island, a little betwixt and between.
He's got #91 Yannick Ngakoue standing up on his outside shoulder, and he's got LB #50 Telvin Smith standing up in front of him about 3 or 4 yards off the LOS.
At the snap, Ereck Flowers takes a quick peek at Ngakoue and then sees Telvin Smith charging toward the LOS. Smith stops and Flowers re-directs his attention to Ngakoue. Unfortunately, he's a step too late, and Ngakoue sweeps around him and takes a swipe at Eli's arm.
To Flower's credit, I think he had to honor the possibility of an inside blitz by Smith. I'm not sure whether or not Smith was going to blitz, but as soon as Saquon Barkley went out on a pass, Smith stopped on a dime, reversed himself and ran with Barkley.
In any event, Flowers got beat, but I think he may have done the right thing... his feet just weren't quick enough to adjust on the fly.
we know how a throw is going to end even if its tipped.
Eli takes a sack - HE CANT TAKE A SACK THERE!!!
Eli throws the ball away - HE HAS HAPPY FEET!!!
Eli throws a pick - HE HAS TO TAKE A SACK THERE!!!!
Eli throws a tip pass - HE HAS TO KNOW THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN!!!
How about we break it down a different way...
How about we at least try to get in front of the LDE and LDT. And if somehow they are not put in a position to make a play or hurry the QB - and then Eli makes a dumb throw or decision - then we can get on him. I mean, I know this may be a hard concept to follow but..... when you dont block two guys who are 320 and 280 pounds and they are running full steam at you.... your decision-making tends to skewered.
but to Joey's point, that ball should never have been thrown. I am not an Eli basher by any measure, but a veteran QB should not ever throw that ball. This is what you get from Eli and have his whole career. He doesn't give up on plays for good and bad. On some you will get the helmet catch that wins you a game (or a Superbowl). Sometimes you will get a pick 6 that didn't need to happen. This isn't new.
we know how a throw is going to end even if its tipped.
Eli takes a sack - HE CANT TAKE A SACK THERE!!!
Eli throws the ball away - HE HAS HAPPY FEET!!!
Eli throws a pick - HE HAS TO TAKE A SACK THERE!!!!
Eli throws a tip pass - HE HAS TO KNOW THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN!!!
How about we break it down a different way...
How about we at least try to get in front of the LDE and LDT. And if somehow they are not put in a position to make a play or hurry the QB - and then Eli makes a dumb throw or decision - then we can get on him. I mean, I know this may be a hard concept to follow but..... when you dont block two guys who are 320 and 280 pounds and they are running full steam at you.... your decision-making tends to skewered.
I love you man, but basically no one is knocking Eli in this thread.
we know how a throw is going to end even if its tipped.
Eli takes a sack - HE CANT TAKE A SACK THERE!!!
Eli throws the ball away - HE HAS HAPPY FEET!!!
Eli throws a pick - HE HAS TO TAKE A SACK THERE!!!!
Eli throws a tip pass - HE HAS TO KNOW THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN!!!
How about we break it down a different way...
How about we at least try to get in front of the LDE and LDT. And if somehow they are not put in a position to make a play or hurry the QB - and then Eli makes a dumb throw or decision - then we can get on him. I mean, I know this may be a hard concept to follow but..... when you dont block two guys who are 320 and 280 pounds and they are running full steam at you.... your decision-making tends to skewered.
I love you man, but basically no one is knocking Eli in this thread.
Its not knocking, its knee jerk reactions. There is probably no position tougher in sports than being a QB. Its even harder when you give free reign for defensive lineman to hit you. The point is we shouldnt assume the worst of something when we are not sure of the final result. Maybe Eli throws the ball off and its batted down or incomplete. Maybe it gets to Barkley somehow and its a short gain. Maybe it bounces off the defender to Latimer's hands for a TD. No one knows. But what we do know is that two defensive lineman were basically unblocked and thats the problem. Hell, even with a tip ball - its unfortunate it went into the air instead of the ground, like most tip balls do.
There was a stat that Eli was hurried and threw quicker than any other QB in the league on sunday not named Russell Wilson. The OL is shit, again. For the amount of people getting on Eli for a tipped ball is just insane to me. You dont have time to react and analyze the probability of a tip ball and if its going to land in the defenders hand for a pick 6. He reacted and a fluke play happened.
How about we worry on why we had a defender go unblocked into him and why our RG got beaten like a dead horse.
...if the play was designed for Saquon to go out on a pass route, then Flowers' honoring (what looked like a certain) inside LB blitz is all the more justified.
We got to play more fucking snaps with our TE next to Flowers.
The vast majority, if not everyone understands the primary reasons the play went poorly starts with unmitigated pressure. The question is whether it was a mistake on Flower's part or great play design by the Jags.
No one is discounting Manning got put in a shit situation.
But given the obvious issues upfront, isn't it fair to expect the quarterback play to be more conservative ( especially in close games) as a matter of preparation?
But given the obvious issues upfront, isn't it fair to expect the quarterback play to be more conservative ( especially in close games) as a matter of preparation?
Its not an unusual request. But maybe he thought a WR was open? No one can say for certainty, even Eli himself, when that situation arises.
Last year he was chastized by a lot of people for falling down when he felt pressure against Detroit when in reality it wasnt there. He gets ripped on for not stepping into throws. He is considered to have happy feet if he gives up on a play and throws it away.
It just seems like whenever there is a negative play, there is always a reason to bash him. You know when to bash him? When he missed OBJ for a 35 yard TD in the 3rd quarter. Thats a legitimate gripe. He missed a throw.
My point is if the ball was tipped and fell to the ground, no one would be saying anything. But since it took a fluke bounce off a defenders hand and landed to a JAX guy - it gets over scrutinized.
That's the problem here. If Eli eats it and takes a sack, maybe a few people nitpick (unlikely given the pressure he was facing).
Instead, he put 7 points on the board for the opposing team in a close, defensive battle. Your QB can't make those mistakes, especially not a 14 year vet.
Despite the oline having problems on this play I don't understand Â
and in a close game in the 4th quarter you need your veteran QB to realize the pressure broke down, tuck the ball away and get on the ground.
Eli made a very poor decision trying to throw the ball there, and it made a bad situation much worse. The fact that the protection broke down does not excuse that. The pick does not have to be the fault of the line OR Eli. It happened because of the line AND Eli.
...who, incidentally, I believe will light it up this season with better protection, but there are more athletic QBs in the NFL who -- under the exact same circumstances -- make an athletic move; get out of all that shit; and find a soft area from which to throw the ball. Just watch Sam Darnold, for example.
But that ain't Eli, certainly not after 14 years in the NFL. He's gonna stay pretty much planted the vast majority of the time.
That said, I still believe Eli can be very efficient and effective sliding around in the pocket while keeping his eyes downfield. But that is predicated on his O-line giving him a little space in which to breath.
In fact, I think many of us (including me) have long forgotten that Eli can be rather clever within the pocket. But there are no fucking spaces in the pocket for Eli to squeeze into given the long-term chronic issues up front!!!
...who, incidentally, I believe will light it up this season with better protection, but there are more athletic QBs in the NFL who -- under the exact same circumstances -- make an athletic move; get out of all that shit; and find a soft area from which to throw the ball. Just watch Sam Darnold, for example.
But that ain't Eli, certainly not after 14 years in the NFL. He's gonna stay pretty much planted the vast majority of the time.
That said, I still believe Eli can be very efficient and effective sliding around in the pocket while keeping his eyes downfield. But that is predicated on his O-line giving him a little space in which to breath.
In fact, I think many of us (including me) have long forgotten that Eli can be rather clever within the pocket. But there are no fucking spaces in the pocket for Eli to squeeze into given the long-term chronic issues up front!!!
Hopefully this year will be a little different.
You just described Eli's biggest flaw as of right now.
He needs everything to be perfect in front of him, to be efficient.
He just can't navigate the pocket as well as he used too.
If your accounting for a QB to take into consideration Â
a tipped ball, then frankly there isnt much more to talk about. At ZERO time in any QBs career do they worry about a ball being tipped when throwing. Its not their job.
If it was a clean throw and the defender jumped it, fine. But we are talking about a tipped pass. Thats not on the QB nor will it EVER be.
This is not a criticism of Eli...
M.S. : 9:25 am : link : reply
...who, incidentally, I believe will light it up this season with better protection, but there are more athletic QBs in the NFL who -- under the exact same circumstances -- make an athletic move; get out of all that shit; and find a soft area from which to throw the ball. Just watch Sam Darnold, for example.
Did you just use Darnold as an example of a QB who "under the exact same circumstances -- make an athletic move"??
Based on the 60 snaps or so he's played in the NFL??
I'm pretty sure on plays like that, there aren't many QB's who are going to avoid two rushers who are unblocked and "find a soft spot". Most are actually going to do what eli did and throw to the hot route.
But let it not go unnoticed that after one game Darnold is being used as an example of something??? WTF??
RE: If your accounting for a QB to take into consideration Â
a tipped ball, then frankly there isnt much more to talk about. At ZERO time in any QBs career do they worry about a ball being tipped when throwing. Its not their job.
If it was a clean throw and the defender jumped it, fine. But we are talking about a tipped pass. Thats not on the QB nor will it EVER be.
Yes, everyone who disagrees with you is not worth your time because they are obviously stupid. Sorry to have wasted your time, Einstein.
This is not a criticism of Eli...
M.S. : 9:25 am : link : reply
...who, incidentally, I believe will light it up this season with better protection, but there are more athletic QBs in the NFL who -- under the exact same circumstances -- make an athletic move; get out of all that shit; and find a soft area from which to throw the ball. Just watch Sam Darnold, for example.
Did you just use Darnold as an example of a QB who "under the exact same circumstances -- make an athletic move"??
Based on the 60 snaps or so he's played in the NFL??
I'm pretty sure on plays like that, there aren't many QB's who are going to avoid two rushers who are unblocked and "find a soft spot". Most are actually going to do what eli did and throw to the hot route.
But let it not go unnoticed that after one game Darnold is being used as an example of something??? WTF??
I think he might be referring to the Jet's offensive line, which is supposed to be worse then ours.
RE: RE: If your accounting for a QB to take into consideration Â
a tipped ball, then frankly there isnt much more to talk about. At ZERO time in any QBs career do they worry about a ball being tipped when throwing. Its not their job.
If it was a clean throw and the defender jumped it, fine. But we are talking about a tipped pass. Thats not on the QB nor will it EVER be.
Yes, everyone who disagrees with you is not worth your time because they are obviously stupid. Sorry to have wasted your time, Einstein.
Great response, but what I said is absolutely true. A QB never account for a tipped ball when throwing. As a matter of fact, Ill take it a step further and hope a QB never looks at the DL when making a throw - I rather his eyes downfield making reads and trying to find an open WR.
The over analyzation of a tipped ball is something I thought I'd never see, but I was wrong.
...who, incidentally, I believe will light it up this season with better protection, but there are more athletic QBs in the NFL who -- under the exact same circumstances -- make an athletic move; get out of all that shit; and find a soft area from which to throw the ball. Just watch Sam Darnold, for example.
But that ain't Eli, certainly not after 14 years in the NFL. He's gonna stay pretty much planted the vast majority of the time.
That said, I still believe Eli can be very efficient and effective sliding around in the pocket while keeping his eyes downfield. But that is predicated on his O-line giving him a little space in which to breath.
In fact, I think many of us (including me) have long forgotten that Eli can be rather clever within the pocket. But there are no fucking spaces in the pocket for Eli to squeeze into given the long-term chronic issues up front!!!
Hopefully this year will be a little different.
You just described Eli's biggest flaw as of right now.
He needs everything to be perfect in front of him, to be efficient.
He just can't navigate the pocket as well as he used too.
Another myth perpetuated on here: Eli does not or ever has, require(d) “everything” to be perfect in front of him. He just needs REASONABLE protection
...who, incidentally, I believe will light it up this season with better protection, but there are more athletic QBs in the NFL who -- under the exact same circumstances -- make an athletic move; get out of all that shit; and find a soft area from which to throw the ball. Just watch Sam Darnold, for example.
But that ain't Eli, certainly not after 14 years in the NFL. He's gonna stay pretty much planted the vast majority of the time.
That said, I still believe Eli can be very efficient and effective sliding around in the pocket while keeping his eyes downfield. But that is predicated on his O-line giving him a little space in which to breath.
In fact, I think many of us (including me) have long forgotten that Eli can be rather clever within the pocket. But there are no fucking spaces in the pocket for Eli to squeeze into given the long-term chronic issues up front!!!
Hopefully this year will be a little different.
You just described Eli's biggest flaw as of right now.
He needs everything to be perfect in front of him, to be efficient.
He just can't navigate the pocket as well as he used too.
Another myth perpetuated on here: Eli does not or ever has, require(d) “everything” to be perfect in front of him. He just needs REASONABLE protection
The days of reasonable protection being good enough are long over.
Take the last Superbowl season, our offensive consisted of 2011 Offensive Line: LT -- Will Beatty/Diehl; Left Guard -- Diehl/Kevin Boothe/Mitch Petrus; Center -- David Baas/Boothe; RT -- Snee; RT -- McKenzie
Not really the best in starting line in the world, but Eli made shit happen all by himself that entire year. He willed us to win games in the 4th quarter that year.
If you don't think Eli is a little less spry then he used to be, you need to take off the Eli colored glasses.
its exactly what the Defense wants and expects when they play the Giants, especially in 4QTR crunch time.
Offensive lineman that not only are easily confused but are not athletic enough to remedy the situation. Rookie running backs that aren't experienced yet in recognizing such situations. And lastly, a QB that has shown plenty of carelessness with the ball in panic situations.
Chalk up it up to Jags doing what ever other team does and will do, but the $20M guy has got to eat that ball and live for another play in a tight 4qtr game...
RE: RE: RE: If your accounting for a QB to take into consideration Â
a tipped ball, then frankly there isnt much more to talk about. At ZERO time in any QBs career do they worry about a ball being tipped when throwing. Its not their job.
If it was a clean throw and the defender jumped it, fine. But we are talking about a tipped pass. Thats not on the QB nor will it EVER be.
Yes, everyone who disagrees with you is not worth your time because they are obviously stupid. Sorry to have wasted your time, Einstein.
Great response, but what I said is absolutely true. A QB never account for a tipped ball when throwing. As a matter of fact, Ill take it a step further and hope a QB never looks at the DL when making a throw - I rather his eyes downfield making reads and trying to find an open WR.
The over analyzation of a tipped ball is something I thought I'd never see, but I was wrong.
So you have never heard the concept of throwing lanes discussed? Or when coaches and QBs talk about finding throwing lanes, they don't understand football as well as you?
Nobody said every tipped pass is on the QB. Most aren't.
But to say that every tipped ball is someone else's fault but the QB is ridiculous.
I'm a huge fan and will never take for granted the 2 Super Bowl wins. They supersede everything else.
But as a fan who has seen every play Eli has ever run for the Giants let's face it he's a turnover machine, always has been. Part of the reason he's lasted 15 years is because he avoids big hits at all costs. Sometimes that means ducking his head and tossing the ball like an UDFA after 15 years.
This is not a secret to opposing teams. However it's a crime against humanity that Eli has had to play behind Ereck Flowers going on 4 seasons now with no end in sight and the new RG stinks too.
If the protection call was to have Flowers pick up the blitz, then that's a major screw up. That is a nonsensical protection. Flowers should ALWAYS be 1v1 against the DE. Omameh has to read the blitz and slide over to pick it up, in which case Halapio has to pick up the DT. As it is, Halapio should be looking right to see if he can help... Its 4 against 2 on the left!
I find it extremely hard to believe that the protection call was to make Flowers have a duel read there. Eli is a veteran, I gotta believe he would have overridden the line call and changed it.
So IMHO, Flowers made a huge mental error here by biting on the fake blitz. That LB was never his man to pick up. He should be 100% focused on the DE. Link - ( New Window )
Protection works inside out. There was no mental error. Flowers has to take the man on the shortest route to the QB, the LB coming from the inside gap. That is the way pass pro works.
It was a great play design by the Jags.
I understand how protection works... And I understand that when there are more rushers than blockers you have to protect inside out.
But... There are supposed to be protection schemes... Calls at the line. Halapio AND Eli have to recognize that it makes absolutely no sense to have 4vs2 on the left and have 2vs3 on the right.
Halapio and Eli have to make the right call there which is to slide protection right. In the case where you slide right, Halapio gets the DT, Omameh the inside blitzing LB, and Flowers is still on the DE. That is the correct line call.
Now its possible that they screwed up the line call. In which case that's on Halapio and Eli. I find it hard to believe both F'ed up that call. But hey... Maybe they did...
Occam's Razor: The simplest solution is likely the correct one. 1 player that has a history of F'ing these things up, vs. 2 players F'ing, with one of them being a 14 year veteran... I think it's more likely Flowers messed up.
RE: RE: RE: I broke this play down on another thread Â
Occam's Razor: The simplest solution is likely the correct one. 1 player that has a history of F'ing these things up, vs. 2 players F'ing, with one of them being a 14 year veteran... I think it's more likely Flowers messed up.
That is great - except if Eli missed the change of protection call (which he may have), that is on Eli, not Flowers. And IIRC, the LB came at the snap or disguised well enough that Eli did not see it. So again, Flowers must do what he was trained to do, take the inside threat 1st.
But given the obvious issues upfront, isn't it fair to expect the quarterback play to be more conservative ( especially in close games) as a matter of preparation?
Its not an unusual request. But maybe he thought a WR was open? No one can say for certainty, even Eli himself, when that situation arises.
Last year he was chastized by a lot of people for falling down when he felt pressure against Detroit when in reality it wasnt there. He gets ripped on for not stepping into throws. He is considered to have happy feet if he gives up on a play and throws it away.
It just seems like whenever there is a negative play, there is always a reason to bash him. You know when to bash him? When he missed OBJ for a 35 yard TD in the 3rd quarter. Thats a legitimate gripe. He missed a throw.
My point is if the ball was tipped and fell to the ground, no one would be saying anything. But since it took a fluke bounce off a defenders hand and landed to a JAX guy - it gets over scrutinized.
C’mon dude. Over scrutinized? It was a shitty, ill-advised throw. Being pressured is not an excuse to make that throw. He panicked.
Are fans wrong for pointing out Eli feels phantom pressure? For falling down when a hint of pressure comes? For growing annoyed at our then 36 year old qb having poor footwork? Sometimes, he threw it away because he had too. Sometimes, he panicked.
Some on this website adopt a mob mentality when people criticize Eli. Why? Most concerns i’ve read are completely valid. Is it all of his fault? No. The line has been bad. Lines have been bad all over the league. Is that an excuse for quarterbacks to play afraid? Its a physical game, you have to be able to deliver some throws when taking a hit. If Eli can’t do that, why is out there?
But given the obvious issues upfront, isn't it fair to expect the quarterback play to be more conservative ( especially in close games) as a matter of preparation?
Its not an unusual request. But maybe he thought a WR was open? No one can say for certainty, even Eli himself, when that situation arises.
Last year he was chastized by a lot of people for falling down when he felt pressure against Detroit when in reality it wasnt there. He gets ripped on for not stepping into throws. He is considered to have happy feet if he gives up on a play and throws it away.
It just seems like whenever there is a negative play, there is always a reason to bash him. You know when to bash him? When he missed OBJ for a 35 yard TD in the 3rd quarter. Thats a legitimate gripe. He missed a throw.
My point is if the ball was tipped and fell to the ground, no one would be saying anything. But since it took a fluke bounce off a defenders hand and landed to a JAX guy - it gets over scrutinized.
C’mon dude. Over scrutinized? It was a shitty, ill-advised throw. Being pressured is not an excuse to make that throw. He panicked.
Are fans wrong for pointing out Eli feels phantom pressure? For falling down when a hint of pressure comes? For growing annoyed at our then 36 year old qb having poor footwork? Sometimes, he threw it away because he had too. Sometimes, he panicked.
Some on this website adopt a mob mentality when people criticize Eli. Why? Most concerns i’ve read are completely valid. Is it all of his fault? No. The line has been bad. Lines have been bad all over the league. Is that an excuse for quarterbacks to play afraid? Its a physical game, you have to be able to deliver some throws when taking a hit. If Eli can’t do that, why is out there?
This is a bullshit post from someone who does nothing but criticize Eli. When someone refutes that Eli didnt do something wrong, this is a go to post. Waaa Waa. Not ONE person said Eli was great. A lot of Eli fans have openly admitted he blew throws during the game especially the TD pass to Beckham in the 3rd.
But its the same song and dance that about mob mentality that just gets old. We are talking about a tipped fucking pass when two defensive lineman were basically unblocked. If the ball falls to the ground - no one talks about it. If the pass is knocked down or incomplete - no one talks about it.
He was hit and hurried for most of the game and made a lot of good throws. This one was unfortunate. He didnt panic, he wasnt scared. Its amazing that after the game Eli still gets the most shit towards him while the OLine couldnt run or pass block ALL game.
And no, not all the OLines around the league are this bad. Not even close. There are a few that are this bad. I love how you talk like Eli is afraid. Because I am sure you have the ball to stand in while getting smashed or hurried every play. Some tough MMQBs here at BBI.
of why there can be no reasonable discussion on this site about Eli. There will always be a subset of posters who come on to throw blame at him for everything, and another subset who will come on to explain that nothing was actually his fault at all. Anyone with an opinion between the two goal posts will simply get exhausted and move on.
Flowers handles them all equally as well...
Omameh's guy overpowered him, but if Eli wasn't avoiding Flowers' man, he wouldn't have been rushed into the decision he made.....to throw a pass he never should have tried...
Omameh's guy overpowered him, but if Eli wasn't avoiding Flowers' man, he wouldn't have been rushed into the decision he made.....to throw a pass he never should have tried...
Yes because after 14 years and about 2 dozen of the same incident per season, Eli does what Eli almost always does which is make a poor decision to just throw it up.
Flowers handles them all equally as well...
Yes. Yes he does.
Since tha backfield is empty and the RB is not helping with protection Flowers has to work from the inside out. He needs to take the LB first. Everyone blocks inside out.
The LB bluffed and Flowers is left out to dry. Ohoma gets destroyed and Eli was going to hit Saquon in the flat, but it gets blown up.
As I said, Barkley is the primary receiver from the start, he is *NOT* going to chip here.
The way the Jags lined up, it's clear that they have potentially 3 rushers against 2 blockers if 50 blitzes.
If the protection call was to have Flowers pick up the blitz, then that's a major screw up. That is a nonsensical protection. Flowers should ALWAYS be 1v1 against the DE. Omameh has to read the blitz and slide over to pick it up, in which case Halapio has to pick up the DT. As it is, Halapio should be looking right to see if he can help... Its 4 against 2 on the left!
I find it extremely hard to believe that the protection call was to make Flowers have a duel read there. Eli is a veteran, I gotta believe he would have overridden the line call and changed it.
So IMHO, Flowers made a huge mental error here by biting on the fake blitz. That LB was never his man to pick up. He should be 100% focused on the DE.
Link - ( New Window )
“Geoff that doesn't make any sense. You have to account for the 4 down first. if the edge is shortened from the jump, the play has no chance. 50 has to run with the RB, that's why he's free release. If 50 doesn't run with RB, Eli throws hot.”
Adam Gettis replying to Andre Williams:
“But we don’t know 50 has the back. We have to assume 50 is coming since he steps up that much. Empty rules say squeeze then work out if he doesn’t come”
Williams to Gettis:
“Cookie cutter empty pro. But bet money Eli sat down in the protection meeting for Jags blitz looks & said, "if we get this look and it's empty pro, I'ma gamble and leave the pro as is & throw the angle route hot. SB get your head around quick if you see Telvin step up."
“I know I bash Flowers often but this isn't his fault. It's empty protection and Flowers has the dual read. He has the LB to the DE. He takes the right set and the LB takes steps towards him. He's got to step up to protect his inside gap. It's a disguise from the Jags D.”
Andre Williams replying to Geoff:
“Geoff that doesn't make any sense. You have to account for the 4 down first. if the edge is shortened from the jump, the play has no chance. 50 has to run with the RB, that's why he's free release. If 50 doesn't run with RB, Eli throws hot.”
Adam Gettis replying to Andre Williams:
“But we don’t know 50 has the back. We have to assume 50 is coming since he steps up that much. Empty rules say squeeze then work out if he doesn’t come”
Williams to Gettis:
“Cookie cutter empty pro. But bet money Eli sat down in the protection meeting for Jags blitz looks & said, "if we get this look and it's empty pro, I'ma gamble and leave the pro as is & throw the angle route hot. SB get your head around quick if you see Telvin step up."
If the protection call was to have Flowers pick up the blitz, then that's a major screw up. That is a nonsensical protection. Flowers should ALWAYS be 1v1 against the DE. Omameh has to read the blitz and slide over to pick it up, in which case Halapio has to pick up the DT. As it is, Halapio should be looking right to see if he can help... Its 4 against 2 on the left!
I find it extremely hard to believe that the protection call was to make Flowers have a duel read there. Eli is a veteran, I gotta believe he would have overridden the line call and changed it.
So IMHO, Flowers made a huge mental error here by biting on the fake blitz. That LB was never his man to pick up. He should be 100% focused on the DE. Link - ( New Window )
Protection works inside out. There was no mental error. Flowers has to take the man on the shortest route to the QB, the LB coming from the inside gap. That is the way pass pro works.
It was a great play design by the Jags.
...I'm not sure if Ereck Flowers deserves all the fan ire he's received.
He was left on an island, a little betwixt and between.
He's got #91 Yannick Ngakoue standing up on his outside shoulder, and he's got LB #50 Telvin Smith standing up in front of him about 3 or 4 yards off the LOS.
At the snap, Ereck Flowers takes a quick peek at Ngakoue and then sees Telvin Smith charging toward the LOS. Smith stops and Flowers re-directs his attention to Ngakoue. Unfortunately, he's a step too late, and Ngakoue sweeps around him and takes a swipe at Eli's arm.
To Flower's credit, I think he had to honor the possibility of an inside blitz by Smith. I'm not sure whether or not Smith was going to blitz, but as soon as Saquon Barkley went out on a pass, Smith stopped on a dime, reversed himself and ran with Barkley.
In any event, Flowers got beat, but I think he may have done the right thing... his feet just weren't quick enough to adjust on the fly.
Eli takes a sack - HE CANT TAKE A SACK THERE!!!
Eli throws the ball away - HE HAS HAPPY FEET!!!
Eli throws a pick - HE HAS TO TAKE A SACK THERE!!!!
Eli throws a tip pass - HE HAS TO KNOW THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN!!!
How about we break it down a different way...
How about we at least try to get in front of the LDE and LDT. And if somehow they are not put in a position to make a play or hurry the QB - and then Eli makes a dumb throw or decision - then we can get on him. I mean, I know this may be a hard concept to follow but..... when you dont block two guys who are 320 and 280 pounds and they are running full steam at you.... your decision-making tends to skewered.
Eli takes a sack - HE CANT TAKE A SACK THERE!!!
Eli throws the ball away - HE HAS HAPPY FEET!!!
Eli throws a pick - HE HAS TO TAKE A SACK THERE!!!!
Eli throws a tip pass - HE HAS TO KNOW THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN!!!
How about we break it down a different way...
How about we at least try to get in front of the LDE and LDT. And if somehow they are not put in a position to make a play or hurry the QB - and then Eli makes a dumb throw or decision - then we can get on him. I mean, I know this may be a hard concept to follow but..... when you dont block two guys who are 320 and 280 pounds and they are running full steam at you.... your decision-making tends to skewered.
I love you man, but basically no one is knocking Eli in this thread.
Quote:
we know how a throw is going to end even if its tipped.
Eli takes a sack - HE CANT TAKE A SACK THERE!!!
Eli throws the ball away - HE HAS HAPPY FEET!!!
Eli throws a pick - HE HAS TO TAKE A SACK THERE!!!!
Eli throws a tip pass - HE HAS TO KNOW THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN!!!
How about we break it down a different way...
How about we at least try to get in front of the LDE and LDT. And if somehow they are not put in a position to make a play or hurry the QB - and then Eli makes a dumb throw or decision - then we can get on him. I mean, I know this may be a hard concept to follow but..... when you dont block two guys who are 320 and 280 pounds and they are running full steam at you.... your decision-making tends to skewered.
I love you man, but basically no one is knocking Eli in this thread.
Its not knocking, its knee jerk reactions. There is probably no position tougher in sports than being a QB. Its even harder when you give free reign for defensive lineman to hit you. The point is we shouldnt assume the worst of something when we are not sure of the final result. Maybe Eli throws the ball off and its batted down or incomplete. Maybe it gets to Barkley somehow and its a short gain. Maybe it bounces off the defender to Latimer's hands for a TD. No one knows. But what we do know is that two defensive lineman were basically unblocked and thats the problem. Hell, even with a tip ball - its unfortunate it went into the air instead of the ground, like most tip balls do.
There was a stat that Eli was hurried and threw quicker than any other QB in the league on sunday not named Russell Wilson. The OL is shit, again. For the amount of people getting on Eli for a tipped ball is just insane to me. You dont have time to react and analyze the probability of a tip ball and if its going to land in the defenders hand for a pick 6. He reacted and a fluke play happened.
How about we worry on why we had a defender go unblocked into him and why our RG got beaten like a dead horse.
...if the play was designed for Saquon to go out on a pass route, then Flowers' honoring (what looked like a certain) inside LB blitz is all the more justified.
We got to play more fucking snaps with our TE next to Flowers.
No one is discounting Manning got put in a shit situation.
But given the obvious issues upfront, isn't it fair to expect the quarterback play to be more conservative ( especially in close games) as a matter of preparation?
But given the obvious issues upfront, isn't it fair to expect the quarterback play to be more conservative ( especially in close games) as a matter of preparation?
Its not an unusual request. But maybe he thought a WR was open? No one can say for certainty, even Eli himself, when that situation arises.
Last year he was chastized by a lot of people for falling down when he felt pressure against Detroit when in reality it wasnt there. He gets ripped on for not stepping into throws. He is considered to have happy feet if he gives up on a play and throws it away.
It just seems like whenever there is a negative play, there is always a reason to bash him. You know when to bash him? When he missed OBJ for a 35 yard TD in the 3rd quarter. Thats a legitimate gripe. He missed a throw.
My point is if the ball was tipped and fell to the ground, no one would be saying anything. But since it took a fluke bounce off a defenders hand and landed to a JAX guy - it gets over scrutinized.
Instead, he put 7 points on the board for the opposing team in a close, defensive battle. Your QB can't make those mistakes, especially not a 14 year vet.
Eli made a very poor decision trying to throw the ball there, and it made a bad situation much worse. The fact that the protection broke down does not excuse that. The pick does not have to be the fault of the line OR Eli. It happened because of the line AND Eli.
...who, incidentally, I believe will light it up this season with better protection, but there are more athletic QBs in the NFL who -- under the exact same circumstances -- make an athletic move; get out of all that shit; and find a soft area from which to throw the ball. Just watch Sam Darnold, for example.
But that ain't Eli, certainly not after 14 years in the NFL. He's gonna stay pretty much planted the vast majority of the time.
That said, I still believe Eli can be very efficient and effective sliding around in the pocket while keeping his eyes downfield. But that is predicated on his O-line giving him a little space in which to breath.
In fact, I think many of us (including me) have long forgotten that Eli can be rather clever within the pocket. But there are no fucking spaces in the pocket for Eli to squeeze into given the long-term chronic issues up front!!!
Hopefully this year will be a little different.
...who, incidentally, I believe will light it up this season with better protection, but there are more athletic QBs in the NFL who -- under the exact same circumstances -- make an athletic move; get out of all that shit; and find a soft area from which to throw the ball. Just watch Sam Darnold, for example.
But that ain't Eli, certainly not after 14 years in the NFL. He's gonna stay pretty much planted the vast majority of the time.
That said, I still believe Eli can be very efficient and effective sliding around in the pocket while keeping his eyes downfield. But that is predicated on his O-line giving him a little space in which to breath.
In fact, I think many of us (including me) have long forgotten that Eli can be rather clever within the pocket. But there are no fucking spaces in the pocket for Eli to squeeze into given the long-term chronic issues up front!!!
Hopefully this year will be a little different.
You just described Eli's biggest flaw as of right now.
He needs everything to be perfect in front of him, to be efficient.
He just can't navigate the pocket as well as he used too.
If it was a clean throw and the defender jumped it, fine. But we are talking about a tipped pass. Thats not on the QB nor will it EVER be.
M.S. : 9:25 am : link : reply
...who, incidentally, I believe will light it up this season with better protection, but there are more athletic QBs in the NFL who -- under the exact same circumstances -- make an athletic move; get out of all that shit; and find a soft area from which to throw the ball. Just watch Sam Darnold, for example.
Did you just use Darnold as an example of a QB who "under the exact same circumstances -- make an athletic move"??
Based on the 60 snaps or so he's played in the NFL??
I'm pretty sure on plays like that, there aren't many QB's who are going to avoid two rushers who are unblocked and "find a soft spot". Most are actually going to do what eli did and throw to the hot route.
But let it not go unnoticed that after one game Darnold is being used as an example of something??? WTF??
If it was a clean throw and the defender jumped it, fine. But we are talking about a tipped pass. Thats not on the QB nor will it EVER be.
Yes, everyone who disagrees with you is not worth your time because they are obviously stupid. Sorry to have wasted your time, Einstein.
Quote:
This is not a criticism of Eli...
M.S. : 9:25 am : link : reply
...who, incidentally, I believe will light it up this season with better protection, but there are more athletic QBs in the NFL who -- under the exact same circumstances -- make an athletic move; get out of all that shit; and find a soft area from which to throw the ball. Just watch Sam Darnold, for example.
Did you just use Darnold as an example of a QB who "under the exact same circumstances -- make an athletic move"??
Based on the 60 snaps or so he's played in the NFL??
I'm pretty sure on plays like that, there aren't many QB's who are going to avoid two rushers who are unblocked and "find a soft spot". Most are actually going to do what eli did and throw to the hot route.
But let it not go unnoticed that after one game Darnold is being used as an example of something??? WTF??
I think he might be referring to the Jet's offensive line, which is supposed to be worse then ours.
Quote:
a tipped ball, then frankly there isnt much more to talk about. At ZERO time in any QBs career do they worry about a ball being tipped when throwing. Its not their job.
If it was a clean throw and the defender jumped it, fine. But we are talking about a tipped pass. Thats not on the QB nor will it EVER be.
Yes, everyone who disagrees with you is not worth your time because they are obviously stupid. Sorry to have wasted your time, Einstein.
Great response, but what I said is absolutely true. A QB never account for a tipped ball when throwing. As a matter of fact, Ill take it a step further and hope a QB never looks at the DL when making a throw - I rather his eyes downfield making reads and trying to find an open WR.
The over analyzation of a tipped ball is something I thought I'd never see, but I was wrong.
Quote:
...who, incidentally, I believe will light it up this season with better protection, but there are more athletic QBs in the NFL who -- under the exact same circumstances -- make an athletic move; get out of all that shit; and find a soft area from which to throw the ball. Just watch Sam Darnold, for example.
But that ain't Eli, certainly not after 14 years in the NFL. He's gonna stay pretty much planted the vast majority of the time.
That said, I still believe Eli can be very efficient and effective sliding around in the pocket while keeping his eyes downfield. But that is predicated on his O-line giving him a little space in which to breath.
In fact, I think many of us (including me) have long forgotten that Eli can be rather clever within the pocket. But there are no fucking spaces in the pocket for Eli to squeeze into given the long-term chronic issues up front!!!
Hopefully this year will be a little different.
You just described Eli's biggest flaw as of right now.
He needs everything to be perfect in front of him, to be efficient.
He just can't navigate the pocket as well as he used too.
Another myth perpetuated on here: Eli does not or ever has, require(d) “everything” to be perfect in front of him. He just needs REASONABLE protection
Quote:
In comment 14073521 M.S. said:
Quote:
...who, incidentally, I believe will light it up this season with better protection, but there are more athletic QBs in the NFL who -- under the exact same circumstances -- make an athletic move; get out of all that shit; and find a soft area from which to throw the ball. Just watch Sam Darnold, for example.
But that ain't Eli, certainly not after 14 years in the NFL. He's gonna stay pretty much planted the vast majority of the time.
That said, I still believe Eli can be very efficient and effective sliding around in the pocket while keeping his eyes downfield. But that is predicated on his O-line giving him a little space in which to breath.
In fact, I think many of us (including me) have long forgotten that Eli can be rather clever within the pocket. But there are no fucking spaces in the pocket for Eli to squeeze into given the long-term chronic issues up front!!!
Hopefully this year will be a little different.
You just described Eli's biggest flaw as of right now.
He needs everything to be perfect in front of him, to be efficient.
He just can't navigate the pocket as well as he used too.
Another myth perpetuated on here: Eli does not or ever has, require(d) “everything” to be perfect in front of him. He just needs REASONABLE protection
The days of reasonable protection being good enough are long over.
Take the last Superbowl season, our offensive consisted of 2011 Offensive Line: LT -- Will Beatty/Diehl; Left Guard -- Diehl/Kevin Boothe/Mitch Petrus; Center -- David Baas/Boothe; RT -- Snee; RT -- McKenzie
Not really the best in starting line in the world, but Eli made shit happen all by himself that entire year. He willed us to win games in the 4th quarter that year.
If you don't think Eli is a little less spry then he used to be, you need to take off the Eli colored glasses.
Offensive lineman that not only are easily confused but are not athletic enough to remedy the situation. Rookie running backs that aren't experienced yet in recognizing such situations. And lastly, a QB that has shown plenty of carelessness with the ball in panic situations.
Chalk up it up to Jags doing what ever other team does and will do, but the $20M guy has got to eat that ball and live for another play in a tight 4qtr game...
Quote:
In comment 14073561 dep026 said:
Quote:
a tipped ball, then frankly there isnt much more to talk about. At ZERO time in any QBs career do they worry about a ball being tipped when throwing. Its not their job.
If it was a clean throw and the defender jumped it, fine. But we are talking about a tipped pass. Thats not on the QB nor will it EVER be.
Yes, everyone who disagrees with you is not worth your time because they are obviously stupid. Sorry to have wasted your time, Einstein.
Great response, but what I said is absolutely true. A QB never account for a tipped ball when throwing. As a matter of fact, Ill take it a step further and hope a QB never looks at the DL when making a throw - I rather his eyes downfield making reads and trying to find an open WR.
The over analyzation of a tipped ball is something I thought I'd never see, but I was wrong.
So you have never heard the concept of throwing lanes discussed? Or when coaches and QBs talk about finding throwing lanes, they don't understand football as well as you?
Nobody said every tipped pass is on the QB. Most aren't.
But to say that every tipped ball is someone else's fault but the QB is ridiculous.
Like I said, no QB ever makes a throw worrying about it getting tipped.
But as a fan who has seen every play Eli has ever run for the Giants let's face it he's a turnover machine, always has been. Part of the reason he's lasted 15 years is because he avoids big hits at all costs. Sometimes that means ducking his head and tossing the ball like an UDFA after 15 years.
This is not a secret to opposing teams. However it's a crime against humanity that Eli has had to play behind Ereck Flowers going on 4 seasons now with no end in sight and the new RG stinks too.
Like I said, no QB ever makes a throw worrying about it getting tipped.
Nobody, but nobody was as bad as Phil Simms with tipped passes..
Quote:
If the protection call was to have Flowers pick up the blitz, then that's a major screw up. That is a nonsensical protection. Flowers should ALWAYS be 1v1 against the DE. Omameh has to read the blitz and slide over to pick it up, in which case Halapio has to pick up the DT. As it is, Halapio should be looking right to see if he can help... Its 4 against 2 on the left!
I find it extremely hard to believe that the protection call was to make Flowers have a duel read there. Eli is a veteran, I gotta believe he would have overridden the line call and changed it.
So IMHO, Flowers made a huge mental error here by biting on the fake blitz. That LB was never his man to pick up. He should be 100% focused on the DE. Link - ( New Window )
Protection works inside out. There was no mental error. Flowers has to take the man on the shortest route to the QB, the LB coming from the inside gap. That is the way pass pro works.
It was a great play design by the Jags.
I understand how protection works... And I understand that when there are more rushers than blockers you have to protect inside out.
But... There are supposed to be protection schemes... Calls at the line. Halapio AND Eli have to recognize that it makes absolutely no sense to have 4vs2 on the left and have 2vs3 on the right.
Halapio and Eli have to make the right call there which is to slide protection right. In the case where you slide right, Halapio gets the DT, Omameh the inside blitzing LB, and Flowers is still on the DE. That is the correct line call.
Now its possible that they screwed up the line call. In which case that's on Halapio and Eli. I find it hard to believe both F'ed up that call. But hey... Maybe they did...
Occam's Razor: The simplest solution is likely the correct one. 1 player that has a history of F'ing these things up, vs. 2 players F'ing, with one of them being a 14 year veteran... I think it's more likely Flowers messed up.
Occam's Razor: The simplest solution is likely the correct one. 1 player that has a history of F'ing these things up, vs. 2 players F'ing, with one of them being a 14 year veteran... I think it's more likely Flowers messed up.
That is great - except if Eli missed the change of protection call (which he may have), that is on Eli, not Flowers. And IIRC, the LB came at the snap or disguised well enough that Eli did not see it. So again, Flowers must do what he was trained to do, take the inside threat 1st.
Quote:
But given the obvious issues upfront, isn't it fair to expect the quarterback play to be more conservative ( especially in close games) as a matter of preparation?
Its not an unusual request. But maybe he thought a WR was open? No one can say for certainty, even Eli himself, when that situation arises.
Last year he was chastized by a lot of people for falling down when he felt pressure against Detroit when in reality it wasnt there. He gets ripped on for not stepping into throws. He is considered to have happy feet if he gives up on a play and throws it away.
It just seems like whenever there is a negative play, there is always a reason to bash him. You know when to bash him? When he missed OBJ for a 35 yard TD in the 3rd quarter. Thats a legitimate gripe. He missed a throw.
My point is if the ball was tipped and fell to the ground, no one would be saying anything. But since it took a fluke bounce off a defenders hand and landed to a JAX guy - it gets over scrutinized.
C’mon dude. Over scrutinized? It was a shitty, ill-advised throw. Being pressured is not an excuse to make that throw. He panicked.
Are fans wrong for pointing out Eli feels phantom pressure? For falling down when a hint of pressure comes? For growing annoyed at our then 36 year old qb having poor footwork? Sometimes, he threw it away because he had too. Sometimes, he panicked.
Some on this website adopt a mob mentality when people criticize Eli. Why? Most concerns i’ve read are completely valid. Is it all of his fault? No. The line has been bad. Lines have been bad all over the league. Is that an excuse for quarterbacks to play afraid? Its a physical game, you have to be able to deliver some throws when taking a hit. If Eli can’t do that, why is out there?
Quote:
In comment 14073475 christian said:
Quote:
But given the obvious issues upfront, isn't it fair to expect the quarterback play to be more conservative ( especially in close games) as a matter of preparation?
Its not an unusual request. But maybe he thought a WR was open? No one can say for certainty, even Eli himself, when that situation arises.
Last year he was chastized by a lot of people for falling down when he felt pressure against Detroit when in reality it wasnt there. He gets ripped on for not stepping into throws. He is considered to have happy feet if he gives up on a play and throws it away.
It just seems like whenever there is a negative play, there is always a reason to bash him. You know when to bash him? When he missed OBJ for a 35 yard TD in the 3rd quarter. Thats a legitimate gripe. He missed a throw.
My point is if the ball was tipped and fell to the ground, no one would be saying anything. But since it took a fluke bounce off a defenders hand and landed to a JAX guy - it gets over scrutinized.
C’mon dude. Over scrutinized? It was a shitty, ill-advised throw. Being pressured is not an excuse to make that throw. He panicked.
Are fans wrong for pointing out Eli feels phantom pressure? For falling down when a hint of pressure comes? For growing annoyed at our then 36 year old qb having poor footwork? Sometimes, he threw it away because he had too. Sometimes, he panicked.
Some on this website adopt a mob mentality when people criticize Eli. Why? Most concerns i’ve read are completely valid. Is it all of his fault? No. The line has been bad. Lines have been bad all over the league. Is that an excuse for quarterbacks to play afraid? Its a physical game, you have to be able to deliver some throws when taking a hit. If Eli can’t do that, why is out there?
This is a bullshit post from someone who does nothing but criticize Eli. When someone refutes that Eli didnt do something wrong, this is a go to post. Waaa Waa. Not ONE person said Eli was great. A lot of Eli fans have openly admitted he blew throws during the game especially the TD pass to Beckham in the 3rd.
But its the same song and dance that about mob mentality that just gets old. We are talking about a tipped fucking pass when two defensive lineman were basically unblocked. If the ball falls to the ground - no one talks about it. If the pass is knocked down or incomplete - no one talks about it.
He was hit and hurried for most of the game and made a lot of good throws. This one was unfortunate. He didnt panic, he wasnt scared. Its amazing that after the game Eli still gets the most shit towards him while the OLine couldnt run or pass block ALL game.
And no, not all the OLines around the league are this bad. Not even close. There are a few that are this bad. I love how you talk like Eli is afraid. Because I am sure you have the ball to stand in while getting smashed or hurried every play. Some tough MMQBs here at BBI.