up against Jacksonville this week. Not sure you can fairly compare it to what the Giants o-line did this past week. I am wondering though if our o-line is better than it looked week one. Jacksonville was a tough draw for a rebuilt O-line in week one. Any thoughts on this?
They traded a third round pick and got a starting LT plus a fifth round pick.....
Solder is getting 22M this year, his replacement, Brown, is getting 1.9M....
Wonder why the Pats are always near the top?
Did Jaguars take a step back or is our offense better than we currently think it is? How would things be different if our offense had more time together to understand a new offense before facing the Jaguars? How about our new OL getting more time to gel?
We seem to forget this is a new offense with a new OL. Also, I've noticed since the last CBA that every teams' offense plays poorly to start the season. The play is more sloppy. Doesn't appear to affect defenses though. I think that played a part in this as well.
So yes. I am very interested in the Jags vs Pats game.
Side note: Another thing I noticed is that Eli connected with OBJ for 11 receptions. That's the 2nd highest among receivers. Again, against the best pass defense in the league (IMHO). Should have been more considering the 2 PIs called. I'm not upset about those 2 misses as much as most others. Eli and OBJ need to get their timing down in this new offense. They haven't played together in almost a year.
Specifically to the question, New England has a new LT now that Solder left for the Giants - Trent Brown. Scarnecchia is very high on him, but he will be tested by this Jags dline is some tough conditions. Jags got to Brady threw times in that AFC Championship game and hit him a handful of other times. Fowler played in that game and was a beast, but is suspended for this game...So this is indeed a very interesting match up.
The problem for the Pats is they have a depleted receiving core. That’s going to play into Jacksonville’s hands. They may be able to double Gronk with Ramsey and safety help. And the Jags will still be more than comfortable feeling they can single cover Hogan and Dorsett. Plus, we know that the Jags have a lot of speed at linebacker to be effective when Brady goes to his RBs in the passing game.
All this lines up very well for the Jags. They should be able to get pressure naturally with their front four, but have more time to apply it with their advantage in the secondary.
So, yes, this is a very interesting game to see how the Pats oline holds up under these circumstances. I have a feeling this is going to be a big advantage for the Jags and Brady may have a long, long afternoon...
They traded a third round pick and got a starting LT plus a fifth round pick.....
Solder is getting 22M this year, his replacement, Brown, is getting 1.9M....
Wonder why the Pats are always near the top?
Coaching - Scarneccia (spelling?) is really damn good at what he does, and it shows.
They lost Solder and didn't miss a beat against the Texans.
I will feel hopeful.
If they lose.....i do not see a win for awhile ....
It s ok that the Giants O line stunk on Sunday, if indeed it turns out to be that Jacksonville s defense is really good.
Yikes, what a low standard we have set. What don t you guys understand about the fact that the Giants were ALL in on winning now.
It s ok that the Giants O line stunk on Sunday, if indeed it turns out to be that Jacksonville s defense is really good.
Yikes, what a low standard we have set. What don t you guys understand about the fact that the Giants were ALL in on winning now.
You think that because you are stuck in the concept that they are "all in" on winning now. I'm not sure how a brand new offense, a brand new defense, a brand new coaching staff, and changing about half the roster could ever be construed as "win now".
“Win now” gets easily confused with trying to improve your team which is what virtually every team tries to do in the offseason.
You are obsessed with the concept of winning now. A concept that every team espouses.
It's ponderous at this point.
The Giants did about as massive of an overhaul as possible and posters are hung up on winning now vs. rebuilding.
Let me ask this - if we drafted Darnold and had the same pieces on the OL, a pedestrian RB and the same roster composition as today, you'd be fine wasting a year of Beckham's prime to develop a QB that may not even be the answer?
I'm pretty sure people would still be complaining about a week 1 loss.
This obsession about "win now" is fucking moronic.
It s ok that the Giants O line stunk on Sunday, if indeed it turns out to be that Jacksonville s defense is really good.
Yikes, what a low standard we have set. What don t you guys understand about the fact that the Giants were ALL in on winning now.
Agreed, the giants O-line is mostly responsible for the loss on Sunday and played poorly across the board. Houston's D-line is as good or better than Jax, yet the Pats handled them. This O-line needs to improve and in a hurry or it's going to be the SOS around here with a weak offense because they can't protect the QB.
+1
And by the way, " Win now is not my mantra" it is the label every pundit put on the Giants with the moves they made and did not make.
Also pretty big leap to suggest Giants waste a year of Beckham s prime if Darnold was there.
What would he do, throw a pick six or over throw Beckham at a crucial juncture of game.
Your constant use of the word ponderous is ponderous as well.
You are either in win-now or rebuilding.
Based on your response that Darnold would be just as good as Eli, then I'm assuming we wouldn't be "rebuilding" either. We would have a rookie QB and no Barkley, but I guess it doesn't matter if Eli throws pick 6's and overthrows WR's, right?
You wanted a QB. We didn't draft one, yet you are going to keep spewing bullshit all year. "Jets fans on Cloud 9". We are in "win now" mode.
Are you going to keep posting shit like that each week?
And while it may sound repetitive, it is exactly what I said - ponderous. Fucking ponderous from a guy who since the draft has called not drafted Darnold a mistake and hasn't stopped pointing it out.
See Belichick, Bill. The Pats are in a class of their own when it comes to coaching, and nobody else in the NFL is close.
They traded a third round pick and got a starting LT plus a fifth round pick.....
Solder is getting 22M this year, his replacement, Brown, is getting 1.9M....
Wonder why the Pats are always near the top?
Trent Brown is a really good pass protecting tackle. He used to train with Von Miller and Miller said he was the best RT in the league in pass protection.
SF let him go because Shanahan is particular with his OL, and Brown is not mobile enough to run block - a big deal for SF, not so for NE. Hence the 9th overall pick to replace him.
Partial repayment for Jimmy G.
If youu haven't heard the words "win now" in regard to the Giants from anyone but me, well I don t know what to say.
I have heard it on the FAN, NFL Radio, Fiox Sports Radio, ESPN and more.
By the way, did you just use "rebuild" in your post. I believe you told me teams don t rebuild anymore. Get your stories straight buddy.
Yes I m aggravated they didn t draft Darnold. I think they saw what they wanted to see because of their commitment to Eli.
It keeps coming up because people start posts that imply playing Jacksonville tough is something they get excited about,
It would be a totally different expectation if it were a young quarterback. If you can t see that, you re being stubborn
Also you have an annoying habit of name calling other posts that you don t agree with. My point is a valid point, not shit.
I believe chasing past glory is a poor way to run a franchise.
And ponderous or not I ll express that opinion whenever a post lends itself to that opinion
This is a place for Giants fans to vent I m not over what I believe was a major mistake, I m pissed
Yes I m aggravated they didn t draft Darnold. I think they saw what they wanted to see because of their commitment to Eli.
It keeps coming up because people start posts that imply playing Jacksonville tough is something they get excited about,
It would be a totally different expectation if it were a young quarterback. If you can t see that, you re being stubborn
So a 3-13 from last season goes head to head with one of the SB favorites and it's not worth getting excited about because they did it with a veteran QB and not a rookie QB?
Thanks for the correction on Fowler. That is significant.
Good points about the conditions. And if you know the Pats, they always have tough games in Miami - they usually win - dealing with those heavy conditions.
It really is a fascinating game. Pats may try to run a lot early, and a lot, to slow the game down so they have enough in the tank late...if needed.
My story has stayed the same consistently. Teams try to put their best team forward, no matter what. They have to because of the cap. A wasted year is wasting several players in their prime.
They change personnel on the fly. They develop some guys on different timelines, but they are always looking to win.
Even in the case that we drafted a QB, he'd be saddled with a terrible line, no RB and thin depth at CB still. Yet, we'd still try to win. As fans, our expectations should be that every year is a chance for the playoffs - and history proves that. Last year only 1 playoff team repeated from the year before in the NFL.
But for some reason you use almost every thread to tell the board we didn't draft Darnold like we don't fucking know. What is the point?
Your last response indicates that you'll keep telling us this.
Yippe-fucking-yay.
I vent here, lots of guys vent here. I m not trying to be a PIA.
Have a good day, that s sincere, not snarky.
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on and always find a replacement. No problem. That's why I don't understand with the different linemen and different coaches we have had our oline seem to always suck.
See Belichick, Bill. The Pats are in a class of their own when it comes to coaching, and nobody else in the NFL is close.
Especially Matt Patricia.
Having pointed this out, the Jags have an impressive defense and may get to Brady.
Could have fooled the shit out of me.
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on and always find a replacement. No problem. That's why I don't understand with the different linemen and different coaches we have had our oline seem to always suck.
See Belichick, Bill. The Pats are in a class of their own when it comes to coaching, and nobody else in the NFL is close.
They have had very good play callers in Weis, O'Brien, and McDaniels. From what I know, Belichick really trusts Brady and the OC to devise the right plan for the opponent.
They have had a lot of D co-ordinators, but everyone knows those guys have basically ridden shot gun to Belichick. He determines which players he keeps to fit his system. And then he tutors the DC apprentice.
Dante Scarnecchia is a great, great oline coach. Arguably the greatest in history. He retired a few years ago and Belichick coaxed him back when the Pats had some holes a few years ago...Since his return? The Pats oline, albeit not the most talented, have been one of the most reliable in football. Guy is an absolute savant...
Dante Scarnecchia is a great, great oline coach. Arguably the greatest in history. He retired a few years ago and Belichick coaxed him back when the Pats had some holes a few years ago...Since his return? The Pats oline, albeit not the most talented, have been one of the most reliable in football. Guy is an absolute savant...
Scarnecchia is an all time great OL coach. Year in and year out he has done a masterful job with that OL. They lose Solder and Flemming in FA and then they bring in
Trent Brown, a RT in SF, to play LT and they don't miss a beat. This is also after they lost their 1st round pick OL Isaiah Wynn for the season. Brown was expected to play RT this season but had to move to the left side after Wynn went down. Joe Thuney and Shaq Mason were drafted in the 3rd and 4th rounds and are one of the best guard duos in football. Their C David Andrews was an UDFA who is solid. I wish the Giants could get Scarnecchia for the next 2-3 years.
Why are you so sensitive my friend.
Without Edelman it's harder with their personnel, but that's what they'll do IMO, they like to take away "that one thing" from the offense and defense.
I read the Patriots may only even dress two RB's Sunday and I'll bet they pass the ball 50+ times. Brady taking a quick drop and his receivers running a lot of quick slants.
And just when the Jags overplay the slant they'll run a seam to Gronk or a deep play to Hogan.
See Belichick, Bill. The Pats are in a class of their own when it comes to coaching, and nobody else in the NFL is close.
Bingo. That's why I always get annoyed when writers, BBI posters, fans, etc. say "We should do what the Pats do."
Scarnecchia is an all time great OL coach. Year in and year out he has done a masterful job with that OL. They lose Solder and Flemming in FA and then they bring in
Trent Brown, a RT in SF, to play LT and they don't miss a beat. This is also after they lost their 1st round pick OL Isaiah Wynn for the season. Brown was expected to play RT this season but had to move to the left side after Wynn went down. Joe Thuney and Shaq Mason were drafted in the 3rd and 4th rounds and are one of the best guard duos in football. Their C David Andrews was an UDFA who is solid. I wish the Giants could get Scarnecchia for the next 2-3 years.
Pats are a sneaky good team at drafting and finding olinemen. And I'm sure it's a combination of BB's well trained eyes and Scarnecchia's teaching.
Remember, they actually had a budding star at C in Bryan Stork from FSU a few years ago who they got in the middle rounds. Stork kept getting concussions and had to retire. Big hole right? No problem. Coach up Andrews and get him ready...and they haven't missed a beat.
I'd expect a pretty low scoring game.