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superspynyg : 9/13/2018 8:20 am
So they say Fournette is playing this weekend. Should I start him? How much action will he get?
Pick 2:
Fournette vs NE (injured???
Yeldon vs NE
Morris vs DET
Drake vs NYJ
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RE: What's the value for Conner in a trade?  
UConn4523 : 9/13/2018 1:33 pm : link
In comment 14073865 JayBinQueens said:
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I have him in .5 ppr and obv he has interest to the Bell owner.
He has AJ Green, Demarious and Chris Thompson - would it be crazy to ask for AJ & Thompson and then throw in a low level WR to him?


It’s not crazy to ask but I wouldn’t accept it. His value is high but hindered by the uncertainty of when Bell comes back. One thing is for sure though, his value won’t be any higher than it is today, every week that goes by is 1 week closer to him being a backup again.
RE: RE: What's the value for Conner in a trade?  
JayBinQueens : 9/13/2018 1:34 pm : link
In comment 14073901 YAJ2112 said:
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I have him in .5 ppr and obv he has interest to the Bell owner.
He has AJ Green, Demarious and Chris Thompson - would it be crazy to ask for AJ & Thompson and then throw in a low level WR to him?



I would suspect that the value of Conner to a Bell owner will widely vary. Some will be willilng to to ride it out until Bell returns and won't give you a lot, and some will be willing to give up a pretty decent return.

I would suggest sending the Bell owner an e-mail to try to get him to send you the first offer to see where he's at.

Agree that the value to the other person will vary. What would you say the value of Conner would be if he was on your team, with the assumption he won't be playing after week 10, whether you have Bell or not
In the league I own Conner  
pjcas18 : 9/13/2018 1:36 pm : link
the Bell owner rejected Corey Davis (before last week's games). Which made some sense, he doesn't have any other WR's on his bench he could safely plug in and he thought he had a passable replacement in Rex Burkhead.

now Conner went off week 1, Burkhead is questionable with a concussion, and his options now are Tarik Cohen or TJ Yeldon 9and this is not PPR) - if Burkhead doesn't play.

I'd still offer him Conner only now I may ask for Thielen instead. Though I still like Corey Davis, especially without Delanie Walker in TEN.
YAJ  
MadPlaid : 9/13/2018 1:38 pm : link
Holy crap! 25 leagues? Wow, I have a heck of a time managing just one team in one league. I can't imagine what it takes to manage that many. Respect.
I think T-Bone  
pjcas18 : 9/13/2018 1:42 pm : link
once told me he was in that many leagues, and he wins a lot of them. I can't do it. that's a significant investment. With little ones I wonder if T-Bone cut back.
Unless I happened to be super deep at RB  
YAJ2112 : 9/13/2018 1:44 pm : link
I'd likely want to keep Conner and ride him until Bell returns.

It's a balance. Keeping Conner will give you a much better chance of making the playoffs, but most likely won't help you come playoff time. Trading Conner may hurt you a little in the short term, but may ultimately help you in the playoffs if you get the right player(s) in return.

If you think you're a playoff team easily without Conner then it makes sense to trade him. If not, you should probably keep him unless someone blows you away with an offer.

RE: RE: What's the value for Conner in a trade?  
giants#1 : 9/13/2018 1:45 pm : link
In comment 14073903 UConn4523 said:
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I have him in .5 ppr and obv he has interest to the Bell owner.
He has AJ Green, Demarious and Chris Thompson - would it be crazy to ask for AJ & Thompson and then throw in a low level WR to him?



It’s not crazy to ask but I wouldn’t accept it. His value is high but hindered by the uncertainty of when Bell comes back. One thing is for sure though, his value won’t be any higher than it is today, every week that goes by is 1 week closer to him being a backup again.


He's also unlikely to put up another 100+ 2 TD game!
RE: I think T-Bone  
YAJ2112 : 9/13/2018 1:46 pm : link
In comment 14073925 pjcas18 said:
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once told me he was in that many leagues, and he wins a lot of them. I can't do it. that's a significant investment. With little ones I wonder if T-Bone cut back.


I have 2 little ones, I just have plan my time so that I am doing things when they are asleep or make sure I get things set early so I'm not screwed if they need me when a waiver deadline is about to hit.
I was up to 5 teams. That was too much.  
Heisenberg : 9/13/2018 1:54 pm : link
I cut back to just one football team and two baseball teams and it's great.
I’m in 3 and hate it  
UConn4523 : 9/13/2018 2:06 pm : link
really only want to be in 1 but couldn’t turn down the BBI league. My work league fucking sucks. 10 teams and only starts 1 flex which means I have a bench full of players I want to use. Don’t care about that league at all.
Keep an eye on RB Marcus Murphy  
Milton : 9/13/2018 2:06 pm : link
I picked him up in my league that gives a point for every ten return yards because he returns both kickoffs and punts for the Bills and is #2 behind Lesean McCoy on the depth chart. I could see him leapfrogging McCoy before the season is over (especially if/when the shit hits the fan re: the woman living in his house who got robbed).
RE: What's the value for Conner in a trade?  
allstarjim : 9/13/2018 2:10 pm : link
In comment 14073865 JayBinQueens said:
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I have him in .5 ppr and obv he has interest to the Bell owner.
He has AJ Green, Demarious and Chris Thompson - would it be crazy to ask for AJ & Thompson and then throw in a low level WR to him?


I think YAJ's advice is great...to try to get the Bell owner to offer first. However, as a guy who owns Conner in multiple leagues, I am riding this out. I have not lost in any league I own Conner. While I know there is an expiration date on Conner as a valuable fantasy asset, I am rolling with him until Bell comes back. If that's just this week, I expect to be 2-0 and I will gladly take that. If that's 4 weeks, or 6 weeks or 9 weeks...it's difficult to imagine not making the playoffs with the wins I expect to pile up having Conner in the lineup every week. I'll worry about replacing his production later, obviously I had a pretty good lineup before adding Conner and so I expect to be fine. But either way, I don't see how I could get full value for Conner in a trade for the advantage he gives me weekly right now. Every week he plays I'm punching my playoff ticket. This is a gift that you have him on your roster...I know everything is relative to return but who is going to give you A.J. Green plus when Conner is destined to go back to a backup role at some point this year?
RE: I’m in 3 and hate it  
pjcas18 : 9/13/2018 2:12 pm : link
In comment 14073971 UConn4523 said:
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really only want to be in 1 but couldn’t turn down the BBI league. My work league fucking sucks. 10 teams and only starts 1 flex which means I have a bench full of players I want to use. Don’t care about that league at all.


I'm also in 3, and the BBI league is one, and that's just 25 friendship points, so it's less on the line and my goal there is not to pull an Arc (an 0 - 13 season). I just can't pay as much attention to it as my other leagues.
Which 2 to start in 0.5 PPR?  
Mr Brightside : 9/13/2018 2:35 pm : link
Collins, Ajayi, AP
What are your expectations for Sammy Watkins?  
Milton : 9/13/2018 2:39 pm : link
Is he worth keeping on a roster that already includes OBJ, Tate, Golladay, Lockett, and Allison? I'm not reading anything good about him in KC. They spent a lot of money on him but he only got 5 targets last week and I'm thinking he's going to go down as a costly mistake on Reid's part. They will try to do a better job of getting him the ball, but he'll never be a guy you can trust in fantasy football.

At least that's what I'm telling myself after I dropped him for Marcus Murphy!
Too early to drop Watkins  
UConn4523 : 9/13/2018 2:47 pm : link
but I also don’t like him either. That’s the worst kind of fantasy player to have, unfortunately. I’d give it another couple weeks then drop him if he’s not really going to be utilized enough. And we all know as the season goes on the chances of him getting hurt increase exponentially.
RE: Which 2 to start in 0.5 PPR?  
JayBinQueens : 9/13/2018 2:48 pm : link
In comment 14074012 Mr Brightside said:
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Collins, Ajayi, AP

I'd say Ajayi & AP - not a huge Collins fan
RE: Which 2 to start in 0.5 PPR?  
allstarjim : 9/13/2018 2:49 pm : link
In comment 14074012 Mr Brightside said:
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Collins, Ajayi, AP


Ajayi and AP. Collins is going to have some tough sledding in Cincinatti, I think. AP has such a choice matchup against the Colts, and Ajayi got more work then I thought he would. If Ajayi is getting 15 plus carries every game, I'm playing him. He's a great talent and really should be looked at as a high end RB2 similar to Jordan Howard as long as he's getting volume...he's definitely their goal line hammer and he's running great, I expect he gets another score this week.
RE: What are your expectations for Sammy Watkins?  
allstarjim : 9/13/2018 2:52 pm : link
In comment 14074023 Milton said:
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Is he worth keeping on a roster that already includes OBJ, Tate, Golladay, Lockett, and Allison? I'm not reading anything good about him in KC. They spent a lot of money on him but he only got 5 targets last week and I'm thinking he's going to go down as a costly mistake on Reid's part. They will try to do a better job of getting him the ball, but he'll never be a guy you can trust in fantasy football.

At least that's what I'm telling myself after I dropped him for Marcus Murphy!


Watkins was the third best receiver last year after Robert Woods and the rookie Cooper Kupp. He's a fantastic talent, I think he's going to have some good games and he's going to have some stinkers. I don't trust him, and I avoid him. I'd rather have Golladay and guys that are going to give me more consistency than a guy who is uber-talented but with no consistency. I think it's fine to drop him but I wouldn't have done it for Murphy at this point.
Would you drop  
allstarjim : 9/13/2018 3:01 pm : link
Nick Chubb for Marquise Goodwin? Someone just dropped him for Tyrod Taylor. I will likely need to put in a claim.

I have at WR: Davante Adams, Diggs, Cobb, Kupp, and Mike Williams.
At RB: 'Zeke, Mixon, Conner, Tevin Coleman, Aaron Jones, and Chubb.

My hesitation is that Hyde is injury prone and I expect at some point this season, one way or another, Chubb is going to be the lead dog in that backfield and I think he's an absolute stud.

I can also drop my backup TE in Jonnu Smith but I really should have him as insurance to injury as TE is thin on free agency in this league, or in case Trey Burton (my starter) is an absolute bust (unlikely, but there's a chance).
Also, some TNF talk  
allstarjim : 9/13/2018 3:25 pm : link
Ravens at Bengals tonight. Let me start by saying this: I am a Joe Mixon guy. I think he has every bit of talent as the elite group of RBs, like Gurley and 'Zeke. At minimum he is close to them. I can see him winning a rushing title, or multiple rushing titles. I like him in the pass game, too. REALLY nice game week 1 against the Colts with 97 yards on 17 carries and a score, while adding 54 yards on 5 catches (people haven't caught on that he's going to be a big factor in the pass game this year yet). Mixon also saw some third down work, on the rare occasions the Colts defense got the Bengals to third down. Snap counts went 42 to Mixon, 14 to Gio Bernard.

All that said, I am really cautious about Mixon tonight vs the Ravens. It might be unfair because it was his very first pro game and a small sample, but Mixon went 9 yards on 8 carries against the Ravens at home. In Baltimore, in week 17, he was much better, rumbling for 96 yards on 18 carries, over a 5 yard average. And even though Buffalo is an absolute dumpster fire, the Ravens held LeSean McCoy to just 22 yards on 7 totes in week 1.

I would still play him given all that, except this is a short week. Does Marvin Lewis limit him at all? My natural inclination at this early juncture in the season is they will treat the work load as normal.

I could move Mixon to my bench and move James Conner from my flex to the RB2 spot...and then moving Cooper Kupp (love him this week) to my flex or Tevin Coleman IF Freeman is out.

But somehow, that all seems like over-managing. If you are a Mixon owner, tonight will be a great game to watch as a bellweather for Mixon's value and usage this season. I think it's already a done deal that Mixon will get an elite number of touches this season, in that 320-360 range in terms of carries plus receptions. If you grabbed him in your draft, I virtually high-five you, I think this is going to be a BIG year for him.

I would play Mixon tonight  
YAJ2112 : 9/13/2018 3:28 pm : link
Gio might get a few more touches to try to reduce the workload on a short week, but I think Mixon gets more than enough touches to be worth being in your lineup.
RE: Would you drop  
YAJ2112 : 9/13/2018 3:40 pm : link
In comment 14074056 allstarjim said:
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Nick Chubb for Marquise Goodwin? Someone just dropped him for Tyrod Taylor. I will likely need to put in a claim.

I have at WR: Davante Adams, Diggs, Cobb, Kupp, and Mike Williams.
At RB: 'Zeke, Mixon, Conner, Tevin Coleman, Aaron Jones, and Chubb.

My hesitation is that Hyde is injury prone and I expect at some point this season, one way or another, Chubb is going to be the lead dog in that backfield and I think he's an absolute stud.

I can also drop my backup TE in Jonnu Smith but I really should have him as insurance to injury as TE is thin on free agency in this league, or in case Trey Burton (my starter) is an absolute bust (unlikely, but there's a chance).


tough call... I'd rather have Goodwin than Chubb in general, but I feel that Chubb will have a much bigger role at some point as well. I'd probably make the move and then hope that no one scoops Chubb up until you can free a roster spot to get him back. It could happen since you are dropping him close to the weekend and I'm guessing he would get put on waivers until next Tuesday. At that point unless he does something this weekend, he might not pop up on other teams radars as being an option.
allstarjim  
Milton : 9/13/2018 4:11 pm : link
I agree with YAJ. Goodwin has significantly greater present value whereas Chubb has marginally greater upside. I would drop Chubb for Goodwin (especially if it's PPR), but keep Chubb on my short list for when roster spots open up via injury, etc. Even if Hyde gets hurt, Chubb will still share a role with Duke Johnson.
p.s.--maybe you'll get lucky and someone else will beat you to Goodwin on the waiver wire so you don't have to worry about regrets (because I've had a few).
RE: What are your expectations for Sammy Watkins?  
schabadoo : 9/13/2018 4:16 pm : link
In comment 14074023 Milton said:
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Is he worth keeping on a roster that already includes OBJ, Tate, Golladay, Lockett, and Allison? I'm not reading anything good about him in KC. They spent a lot of money on him but he only got 5 targets last week and I'm thinking he's going to go down as a costly mistake on Reid's part. They will try to do a better job of getting him the ball, but he'll never be a guy you can trust in fantasy football.

At least that's what I'm telling myself after I dropped him for Marcus Murphy!


I have him, I'm considering dropping him. Teams start doubling Hill, maybe things open up for him. Hunt, Kelce, Hill...a lot of mouths to feed.

Someone dropped Jeffries in my league, going to try and claim him and drop Watkins.
RE: RE: What are your expectations for Sammy Watkins?  
Milton : 9/13/2018 4:37 pm : link
In comment 14074158 schabadoo said:
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I have him, I'm considering dropping him. Teams start doubling Hill, maybe things open up for him. Hunt, Kelce, Hill...a lot of mouths to feed.
This is my thinking as well, even if teams pay more attention to Hill, that still leaves Kelce as the second option and Hunt as the checkdown. Watkins will probably have two or three big games, but he'll never be someone you can count on.

I had an OCD/ADD episode last night in which I dropped Ekeler for Chase Edmonds and then panicked and dropped Watkins for Marcus Murphy. My starters at RB are Gurley and David Johnson with Breida as the next man up (I think he is poised to win a large majority of snaps over Morris and he is a kick returner in an FFL that gives a point for every ten return yards) and I felt having the handcuff for DJ was more important than what Ekeler could potentially give if Gordon got hurt.

And then I got worried about my RB situation and started reading up on Marcus Murphy. And if McCoy gets hurt or gets suspended or just plain doesn't produce, Murphy becomes their lead back. And he returns kickoffs and punts, a point I continue to emphasize because it's so uncommon in most leagues and last Sunday he had 174 return yards for Buffalo. If Buffalo continues to give up 40+ points per game (or 30+ points per game) Murphy should rack up a lot of return yards.

Anyway, that's what I have to keep telling myself after dropping Ekeler and Watkins for Edmonds and Murphy!
Sit collins  
Mr. Nickels : 9/13/2018 5:00 pm : link
I have Gurley Gordon and Conner?
Thanks gents  
allstarjim : 9/13/2018 5:05 pm : link
I will play Mixon tonight.
Milton  
pjcas18 : 9/13/2018 5:11 pm : link
I wouldn't bank on return yards unless the player is a contributor on offense too.

Last week the Ravens kicked off a whopping 9 times to Buffalo (with 5 returns), I know Buffalo is terrible in all facets, but that's not something I think I'd rely on in fantasy football. Even if Buffalo gives up 30+, many times those kick-offs will be all touch backs, especially if someone like Murphy is back there running them back for 30+ yards.

I think if you want a McCoy handcuff that's fine, but if your benches are short, it may be tough to hold that roster spot.

especially when it's not a productive handcuff (at this time) like Freeman/Coleman or even Howard/Cohen.
RE: Sit collins  
pjcas18 : 9/13/2018 5:12 pm : link
In comment 14074197 Mr. Nickels said:
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I have Gurley Gordon and Conner?


I would. I'm sitting Collins with Barkley, McCaffrey, and Conner active.

I hope Collins does well too. Strengthens my team even though I don't have him in the lineup.
RE: RE: Sit collins  
Mr. Nickels : 9/13/2018 5:14 pm : link
In comment 14074204 pjcas18 said:
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I have Gurley Gordon and Conner?



I would. I'm sitting Collins with Barkley, McCaffrey, and Conner active.

I hope Collins does well too. Strengthens my team even though I don't have him in the lineup.


Sounds like we will never even need him until bye weeks and he was my first pick after keeper rounds
RE: RE: RE: Sit collins  
pjcas18 : 9/13/2018 5:17 pm : link
In comment 14074206 Mr. Nickels said:
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I have Gurley Gordon and Conner?



I would. I'm sitting Collins with Barkley, McCaffrey, and Conner active.

I hope Collins does well too. Strengthens my team even though I don't have him in the lineup.



Sounds like we will never even need him until bye weeks and he was my first pick after keeper rounds


Well, Bell could come back, one of the other guys could get hurt, maybe a poor matchup (though I can't envision many scenarios I'd bench those three), or Collins could go beast mode.

but otherwise you're right, and I have Mark Ingram.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Sit collins  
Mr. Nickels : 9/13/2018 5:56 pm : link
In comment 14074212 pjcas18 said:
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I have Gurley Gordon and Conner?



I would. I'm sitting Collins with Barkley, McCaffrey, and Conner active.

I hope Collins does well too. Strengthens my team even though I don't have him in the lineup.



Sounds like we will never even need him until bye weeks and he was my first pick after keeper rounds



Well, Bell could come back, one of the other guys could get hurt, maybe a poor matchup (though I can't envision many scenarios I'd bench those three), or Collins could go beast mode.

but otherwise you're right, and I have Mark Ingram.



Wow you're loaded at RB
RE: Milton  
allstarjim : 9/13/2018 6:01 pm : link
In comment 14074203 pjcas18 said:
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I wouldn't bank on return yards unless the player is a contributor on offense too.

Last week the Ravens kicked off a whopping 9 times to Buffalo (with 5 returns), I know Buffalo is terrible in all facets, but that's not something I think I'd rely on in fantasy football. Even if Buffalo gives up 30+, many times those kick-offs will be all touch backs, especially if someone like Murphy is back there running them back for 30+ yards.

I think if you want a McCoy handcuff that's fine, but if your benches are short, it may be tough to hold that roster spot.

especially when it's not a productive handcuff (at this time) like Freeman/Coleman or even Howard/Cohen.


I have a 12 team league in which I do not have a deep bench. It's a .5 point PPR.

I have 'Zeke and DJ and have handcuffed them both with Rod Smith and Chase Edmonds. I am pretty sure I want that insurance, would feel too exposed if one of those guys were to get hurt, they are both too key to my season.

That said, my next RB is Marlon Mack. I have Dede Westbrook and Ryan Grant (who I just added because of potential for large volume) as my 5th/6th receivers.

In this league, you have to be ahead of the curve in adding a RB, can't wait until an injury to get a guy. It's a FAAB waiver league. Jalen Richard and Marcus Murphy is available. I think Westbrook has a lot of upside but I'm wondering if I should risk dropping 'Zeke's handcuff for one of those two guys, or Dede.

Tough call.
RE: Milton  
Milton : 9/13/2018 6:05 pm : link
In comment 14074203 pjcas18 said:
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I wouldn't bank on return yards unless the player is a contributor on offense too.

Last week the Ravens kicked off a whopping 9 times to Buffalo (with 5 returns), I know Buffalo is terrible in all facets, but that's not something I think I'd rely on in fantasy football. Even if Buffalo gives up 30+, many times those kick-offs will be all touch backs, especially if someone like Murphy is back there running them back for 30+ yards.

I think if you want a McCoy handcuff that's fine, but if your benches are short, it may be tough to hold that roster spot.

especially when it's not a productive handcuff (at this time) like Freeman/Coleman or even Howard/Cohen.
I'll see if I can hold onto him until the bye weeks force the issue. As a pure #2 RB, he doesn't have the production of a Coleman, Cohen, Ekeler, or Yeldon, but those guys need to wait for an injury to move up the depth chart, whereas I think Murphy may flat out win the job from McCoy (last week he had six carries for 31 yards while McCoy had seven carries for 22 yards, but that may have simply been the response to the team falling behind by a zillion points and not a legit hint at a timeshare). And then there's always the possibility that McCoy is suspended. The circumstantial evidence against him is pretty damn strong. In the meantime, if DJ is back at practice I'm gonna drop for Ekeler (if nobody beats me to him on the waiver wire, where I'm #12).
RE: RE: Milton  
Milton : 9/13/2018 6:06 pm : link
In comment 14074250 Milton said:
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I wouldn't bank on return yards unless the player is a contributor on offense too.

Last week the Ravens kicked off a whopping 9 times to Buffalo (with 5 returns), I know Buffalo is terrible in all facets, but that's not something I think I'd rely on in fantasy football. Even if Buffalo gives up 30+, many times those kick-offs will be all touch backs, especially if someone like Murphy is back there running them back for 30+ yards.

I think if you want a McCoy handcuff that's fine, but if your benches are short, it may be tough to hold that roster spot.

especially when it's not a productive handcuff (at this time) like Freeman/Coleman or even Howard/Cohen.

I'll see if I can hold onto him until the bye weeks force the issue. As a pure #2 RB, he doesn't have the production of a Coleman, Cohen, Ekeler, or Yeldon, but those guys need to wait for an injury to move up the depth chart, whereas I think Murphy may flat out win the job from McCoy (last week he had six carries for 31 yards while McCoy had seven carries for 22 yards, but that may have simply been the response to the team falling behind by a zillion points and not a legit hint at a timeshare). And then there's always the possibility that McCoy is suspended. The circumstantial evidence against him is pretty damn strong. In the meantime, if DJ is back at practice I'm gonna drop for Ekeler (if nobody beats me to him on the waiver wire, where I'm #12).
That last line was supposed to read "drop Chase Edmonds for Ekeler"
RE: RE: Milton  
allstarjim : 9/13/2018 6:10 pm : link
In comment 14074249 allstarjim said:
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I wouldn't bank on return yards unless the player is a contributor on offense too.

Last week the Ravens kicked off a whopping 9 times to Buffalo (with 5 returns), I know Buffalo is terrible in all facets, but that's not something I think I'd rely on in fantasy football. Even if Buffalo gives up 30+, many times those kick-offs will be all touch backs, especially if someone like Murphy is back there running them back for 30+ yards.

I think if you want a McCoy handcuff that's fine, but if your benches are short, it may be tough to hold that roster spot.

especially when it's not a productive handcuff (at this time) like Freeman/Coleman or even Howard/Cohen.



I have a 12 team league in which I do not have a deep bench. It's a .5 point PPR.

I have 'Zeke and DJ and have handcuffed them both with Rod Smith and Chase Edmonds. I am pretty sure I want that insurance, would feel too exposed if one of those guys were to get hurt, they are both too key to my season.

That said, my next RB is Marlon Mack. I have Dede Westbrook and Ryan Grant (who I just added because of potential for large volume) as my 5th/6th receivers.

In this league, you have to be ahead of the curve in adding a RB, can't wait until an injury to get a guy. It's a FAAB waiver league. Jalen Richard and Marcus Murphy is available. I think Westbrook has a lot of upside but I'm wondering if I should risk dropping 'Zeke's handcuff for one of those two guys, or Dede.

Tough call.


I forgot to say in this league we get 1 pt per 20 return yards also.
handcuffs in fantasy football are a personal  
pjcas18 : 9/13/2018 6:11 pm : link
call and philosophy.

I generally avoid them as I said before unless the handcuff player has some value on their own and even then in a draft the player needs to be great value in the spot, because a) it ties up a roster spot, b) the "better" player you drafted may never get hurt, c) the handcuff player may not even equal the production of a non-handcuff player who you could have drafted instead.

How were David Johnson and Zeke Elliot's hand cuffs last year? Smith was decent in small doses, Morris wasn't great- and then which one did you handcfuff, most people had Morris or McFadden, or how were AP and Kerwynn Williams, etc replacing DJ. just not worth it IMO.

but people do handcuff players and have success - and if you were a Bell owner who drafted Conner you were rewarded for it (in week 1 at least). So it's a personal choice.
It really depends on the offense and who the backup is  
UConn4523 : 9/13/2018 6:22 pm : link
for example, Gallman or Stewart are worthless in fantasy if Barkley goes down.

I generally steer clear of prioritizing handcuffs unless it’s a Connor type situation. I like to focus on split backfields instead that could turn into a full time role due to performance or injury. You are more likely to get a lot more out of these types of players.
pjcas, UConn  
Milton : 9/13/2018 6:34 pm : link
That makes sense. It's just that DJ finished the last two seasons on IR so it made me jumpy when he was listed on the injury report yesterday. That's why I dropped Ekeler at the time (and then immediately regretted it). Ekeler fits perfectly within the profile of a #2 who gets enough snaps that he isn't worthless if you needed to start him. I think the same is "potentially" true of Murphy if you include his return yards. Assuming I get Ekeler back tonight (more likely than not), I think a RB roster of Gurley, DJ, Breida, Ekeler, and Murphy is pretty damn solid with two blue-chip starters and three lottery tickets (that aren't just lottery tickets). I'll probably trim one of the lottery tickets once I get a better feel for where their seasons are headed. One game is a dangerous sample set.
Yeah I don’t really make any big moves  
UConn4523 : 9/13/2018 6:44 pm : link
after week 1. My main league I have DJ, Breida, Jamaal Williams, Kerryon Johnson, Ingram and Lindsey. I’ve got enough upside there and will be even stronger once Ingram’s suspension is over. The rest of my team is loaded.
I try and trade  
pjcas18 : 9/13/2018 6:50 pm : link
all the time. In one of my leagues they call me Danny Ainge. My trades aren't normally as one-sided as the Brees trade I had, but I constantly try and improve my team. It's a keeper league so often there are draft picks involved.


Waivers less, but I do trade.

RE: Yeah I don’t really make any big moves  
JayBinQueens : 9/13/2018 7:51 pm : link
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after week 1. My main league I have DJ, Breida, Jamaal Williams, Kerryon Johnson, Ingram and Lindsey. I’ve got enough upside there and will be even stronger once Ingram’s suspension is over. The rest of my team is loaded.


Every week though you have hard decisions to make. If you could, wouldn't you prefer to package a few of them to get a sure start?
RE: RE: Yeah I don’t really make any big moves  
UConn4523 : 9/13/2018 7:57 pm : link
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after week 1. My main league I have DJ, Breida, Jamaal Williams, Kerryon Johnson, Ingram and Lindsey. I’ve got enough upside there and will be even stronger once Ingram’s suspension is over. The rest of my team is loaded.



Every week though you have hard decisions to make. If you could, wouldn't you prefer to package a few of them to get a sure start?


Ehh, I’d rather have a hard decision than be desperate due to having handcuffs that don’t play until there is an injury. I’d package if the opportunity presents itself but for now I’d like to hold on to them and see if an early lottery ticket emerges.

Everyone had their own strategy but I’ve had a lot of success stock piling RBs in the mid to late rounds.
RE: handcuffs in fantasy football are a personal  
Dr. D : 9/13/2018 8:20 pm : link
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call and philosophy.


I'm not a big fan of handcuffs. I prefer to get bench guys if possible, who are their teams respective #1, though obviously of lower level.

Dealing with byes can be enough of a challenge without giving up 1 or 2 roster spots with handcuffs.

As of now, my 3rd and 4th RBs are Chris Carson and Marlon Mack whose byes don't coincide with my starters (Barkley and McCaffrey).

RE: RE: handcuffs in fantasy football are a personal  
Milton : 9/13/2018 8:47 pm : link
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call and philosophy.




I'm not a big fan of handcuffs. I prefer to get bench guys if possible, who are their teams respective #1, though obviously of lower level.

Dealing with byes can be enough of a challenge without giving up 1 or 2 roster spots with handcuffs.

As of now, my 3rd and 4th RBs are Chris Carson and Marlon Mack whose byes don't coincide with my starters (Barkley and McCaffrey).
I wouldn't describe myself as either pro- or anti-handcuff. I think the handcuff aspect is just another piece to the equation. How much weight it gets depends on several variables. Every situation is unique.
started Green and Baltimore D  
UConn4523 : 9/13/2018 8:55 pm : link
really didn't want to do that but didn't want to drop anyone for a 1 week D rental. Whatever, if the TD's are going to Green I'll take it. Getting 20+ points combined between the two is all I can ask.
Milton, I agree  
Dr. D : 9/13/2018 9:33 pm : link
I try to be flexible. I've stayed away from drafting Bell the last 2 years because of his contract stuff, but if I did end up with him this year, Connor would've been a smart handcuff.

I guess if you have a RB with great upside, but know he might potentially miss some time AND his handcuff isn't a big downgrade, then it can make sense.
RE: It really depends on the offense and who the backup is  
allstarjim : 9/14/2018 1:34 am : link
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for example, Gallman or Stewart are worthless in fantasy if Barkley goes down.

I generally steer clear of prioritizing handcuffs unless it’s a Connor type situation. I like to focus on split backfields instead that could turn into a full time role due to performance or injury. You are more likely to get a lot more out of these types of players.


Definitely not true. In my case, if Zeke or DJ get hurt, my season is over UNLESS I hold their handcuff. Rod Smith does have talent and he would be very valuable if Zeke gets hurt. Edmonds on the other hand is unproven, but has shown some flash in small doses and preseason.

Whenever there is a player that is critical to your team's success, i.e., your team MVP, usually that is a RB, if you don't handcuff you are taking an unnecessary risk.

If you drafted Bell and didn't also draft Conner or grab him immediately after your draft, you made a dumb mistake. Objectively stupid, in that Bell had yet to sign his tender. In 12 team leagues or more, handcuffs are even more important. I've never in my 15 years or so of fantasy football, had two handcuffs on my team, but this was a rare exception, being that my team's success hinges greatly on the production of Zeke and DJ. I'm not going to draft Ronald Jones hoping he produces and leaving myself holding the bag if he doesn't and DJ goes on IR. That said, if you have great positional depth...in one league I have Saquon, Dalvin, Mixon, and Jordan Howard...sure, a handcuff isn't necessary at this point because I have enough quality depth that any two of those guys can start for me.

But normally, if you are in a 12 team league and you don't handcuff your #1, you are probably doing it wrong.
Not sure what definitely isn’t true  
UConn4523 : 9/14/2018 6:55 am : link
but if it’s what you bolded above I can say with complete confidence that Stewart is worthless and Gallman would be marginally better than him as far as fantasy goes.

I stated earlier it depends on the situation but I’d rather have a guy getting work now as opposed to holding a backup who gets zero work. You used Ronald Jones as an example and I wouldn’t roster him either over guys I currently have on my teams.

There’s a ton of factors but there are some handcuffs out there that simply aren’t worth wasting a roster spot on and the Giants backfield is one of them.
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