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superspynyg : 9/13/2018 8:20 am
So they say Fournette is playing this weekend. Should I start him? How much action will he get?
Pick 2:
Fournette vs NE (injured???
Yeldon vs NE
Morris vs DET
Drake vs NYJ
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RE: Would you drop  
YAJ2112 : 9/13/2018 3:40 pm : link
In comment 14074056 allstarjim said:
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Nick Chubb for Marquise Goodwin? Someone just dropped him for Tyrod Taylor. I will likely need to put in a claim.

I have at WR: Davante Adams, Diggs, Cobb, Kupp, and Mike Williams.
At RB: 'Zeke, Mixon, Conner, Tevin Coleman, Aaron Jones, and Chubb.

My hesitation is that Hyde is injury prone and I expect at some point this season, one way or another, Chubb is going to be the lead dog in that backfield and I think he's an absolute stud.

I can also drop my backup TE in Jonnu Smith but I really should have him as insurance to injury as TE is thin on free agency in this league, or in case Trey Burton (my starter) is an absolute bust (unlikely, but there's a chance).


tough call... I'd rather have Goodwin than Chubb in general, but I feel that Chubb will have a much bigger role at some point as well. I'd probably make the move and then hope that no one scoops Chubb up until you can free a roster spot to get him back. It could happen since you are dropping him close to the weekend and I'm guessing he would get put on waivers until next Tuesday. At that point unless he does something this weekend, he might not pop up on other teams radars as being an option.
allstarjim  
Milton : 9/13/2018 4:11 pm : link
I agree with YAJ. Goodwin has significantly greater present value whereas Chubb has marginally greater upside. I would drop Chubb for Goodwin (especially if it's PPR), but keep Chubb on my short list for when roster spots open up via injury, etc. Even if Hyde gets hurt, Chubb will still share a role with Duke Johnson.
p.s.--maybe you'll get lucky and someone else will beat you to Goodwin on the waiver wire so you don't have to worry about regrets (because I've had a few).
RE: What are your expectations for Sammy Watkins?  
schabadoo : 9/13/2018 4:16 pm : link
In comment 14074023 Milton said:
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Is he worth keeping on a roster that already includes OBJ, Tate, Golladay, Lockett, and Allison? I'm not reading anything good about him in KC. They spent a lot of money on him but he only got 5 targets last week and I'm thinking he's going to go down as a costly mistake on Reid's part. They will try to do a better job of getting him the ball, but he'll never be a guy you can trust in fantasy football.

At least that's what I'm telling myself after I dropped him for Marcus Murphy!


I have him, I'm considering dropping him. Teams start doubling Hill, maybe things open up for him. Hunt, Kelce, Hill...a lot of mouths to feed.

Someone dropped Jeffries in my league, going to try and claim him and drop Watkins.
RE: RE: What are your expectations for Sammy Watkins?  
Milton : 9/13/2018 4:37 pm : link
In comment 14074158 schabadoo said:
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I have him, I'm considering dropping him. Teams start doubling Hill, maybe things open up for him. Hunt, Kelce, Hill...a lot of mouths to feed.
This is my thinking as well, even if teams pay more attention to Hill, that still leaves Kelce as the second option and Hunt as the checkdown. Watkins will probably have two or three big games, but he'll never be someone you can count on.

I had an OCD/ADD episode last night in which I dropped Ekeler for Chase Edmonds and then panicked and dropped Watkins for Marcus Murphy. My starters at RB are Gurley and David Johnson with Breida as the next man up (I think he is poised to win a large majority of snaps over Morris and he is a kick returner in an FFL that gives a point for every ten return yards) and I felt having the handcuff for DJ was more important than what Ekeler could potentially give if Gordon got hurt.

And then I got worried about my RB situation and started reading up on Marcus Murphy. And if McCoy gets hurt or gets suspended or just plain doesn't produce, Murphy becomes their lead back. And he returns kickoffs and punts, a point I continue to emphasize because it's so uncommon in most leagues and last Sunday he had 174 return yards for Buffalo. If Buffalo continues to give up 40+ points per game (or 30+ points per game) Murphy should rack up a lot of return yards.

Anyway, that's what I have to keep telling myself after dropping Ekeler and Watkins for Edmonds and Murphy!
Sit collins  
Mr. Nickels : 9/13/2018 5:00 pm : link
I have Gurley Gordon and Conner?
Thanks gents  
allstarjim : 9/13/2018 5:05 pm : link
I will play Mixon tonight.
Milton  
pjcas18 : 9/13/2018 5:11 pm : link
I wouldn't bank on return yards unless the player is a contributor on offense too.

Last week the Ravens kicked off a whopping 9 times to Buffalo (with 5 returns), I know Buffalo is terrible in all facets, but that's not something I think I'd rely on in fantasy football. Even if Buffalo gives up 30+, many times those kick-offs will be all touch backs, especially if someone like Murphy is back there running them back for 30+ yards.

I think if you want a McCoy handcuff that's fine, but if your benches are short, it may be tough to hold that roster spot.

especially when it's not a productive handcuff (at this time) like Freeman/Coleman or even Howard/Cohen.
RE: Sit collins  
pjcas18 : 9/13/2018 5:12 pm : link
In comment 14074197 Mr. Nickels said:
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I have Gurley Gordon and Conner?


I would. I'm sitting Collins with Barkley, McCaffrey, and Conner active.

I hope Collins does well too. Strengthens my team even though I don't have him in the lineup.
RE: RE: Sit collins  
Mr. Nickels : 9/13/2018 5:14 pm : link
In comment 14074204 pjcas18 said:
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I have Gurley Gordon and Conner?



I would. I'm sitting Collins with Barkley, McCaffrey, and Conner active.

I hope Collins does well too. Strengthens my team even though I don't have him in the lineup.


Sounds like we will never even need him until bye weeks and he was my first pick after keeper rounds
RE: RE: RE: Sit collins  
pjcas18 : 9/13/2018 5:17 pm : link
In comment 14074206 Mr. Nickels said:
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I have Gurley Gordon and Conner?



I would. I'm sitting Collins with Barkley, McCaffrey, and Conner active.

I hope Collins does well too. Strengthens my team even though I don't have him in the lineup.



Sounds like we will never even need him until bye weeks and he was my first pick after keeper rounds


Well, Bell could come back, one of the other guys could get hurt, maybe a poor matchup (though I can't envision many scenarios I'd bench those three), or Collins could go beast mode.

but otherwise you're right, and I have Mark Ingram.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Sit collins  
Mr. Nickels : 9/13/2018 5:56 pm : link
In comment 14074212 pjcas18 said:
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I have Gurley Gordon and Conner?



I would. I'm sitting Collins with Barkley, McCaffrey, and Conner active.

I hope Collins does well too. Strengthens my team even though I don't have him in the lineup.



Sounds like we will never even need him until bye weeks and he was my first pick after keeper rounds



Well, Bell could come back, one of the other guys could get hurt, maybe a poor matchup (though I can't envision many scenarios I'd bench those three), or Collins could go beast mode.

but otherwise you're right, and I have Mark Ingram.



Wow you're loaded at RB
RE: Milton  
allstarjim : 9/13/2018 6:01 pm : link
In comment 14074203 pjcas18 said:
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I wouldn't bank on return yards unless the player is a contributor on offense too.

Last week the Ravens kicked off a whopping 9 times to Buffalo (with 5 returns), I know Buffalo is terrible in all facets, but that's not something I think I'd rely on in fantasy football. Even if Buffalo gives up 30+, many times those kick-offs will be all touch backs, especially if someone like Murphy is back there running them back for 30+ yards.

I think if you want a McCoy handcuff that's fine, but if your benches are short, it may be tough to hold that roster spot.

especially when it's not a productive handcuff (at this time) like Freeman/Coleman or even Howard/Cohen.


I have a 12 team league in which I do not have a deep bench. It's a .5 point PPR.

I have 'Zeke and DJ and have handcuffed them both with Rod Smith and Chase Edmonds. I am pretty sure I want that insurance, would feel too exposed if one of those guys were to get hurt, they are both too key to my season.

That said, my next RB is Marlon Mack. I have Dede Westbrook and Ryan Grant (who I just added because of potential for large volume) as my 5th/6th receivers.

In this league, you have to be ahead of the curve in adding a RB, can't wait until an injury to get a guy. It's a FAAB waiver league. Jalen Richard and Marcus Murphy is available. I think Westbrook has a lot of upside but I'm wondering if I should risk dropping 'Zeke's handcuff for one of those two guys, or Dede.

Tough call.
RE: Milton  
Milton : 9/13/2018 6:05 pm : link
In comment 14074203 pjcas18 said:
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I wouldn't bank on return yards unless the player is a contributor on offense too.

Last week the Ravens kicked off a whopping 9 times to Buffalo (with 5 returns), I know Buffalo is terrible in all facets, but that's not something I think I'd rely on in fantasy football. Even if Buffalo gives up 30+, many times those kick-offs will be all touch backs, especially if someone like Murphy is back there running them back for 30+ yards.

I think if you want a McCoy handcuff that's fine, but if your benches are short, it may be tough to hold that roster spot.

especially when it's not a productive handcuff (at this time) like Freeman/Coleman or even Howard/Cohen.
I'll see if I can hold onto him until the bye weeks force the issue. As a pure #2 RB, he doesn't have the production of a Coleman, Cohen, Ekeler, or Yeldon, but those guys need to wait for an injury to move up the depth chart, whereas I think Murphy may flat out win the job from McCoy (last week he had six carries for 31 yards while McCoy had seven carries for 22 yards, but that may have simply been the response to the team falling behind by a zillion points and not a legit hint at a timeshare). And then there's always the possibility that McCoy is suspended. The circumstantial evidence against him is pretty damn strong. In the meantime, if DJ is back at practice I'm gonna drop for Ekeler (if nobody beats me to him on the waiver wire, where I'm #12).
RE: RE: Milton  
Milton : 9/13/2018 6:06 pm : link
In comment 14074250 Milton said:
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I wouldn't bank on return yards unless the player is a contributor on offense too.

Last week the Ravens kicked off a whopping 9 times to Buffalo (with 5 returns), I know Buffalo is terrible in all facets, but that's not something I think I'd rely on in fantasy football. Even if Buffalo gives up 30+, many times those kick-offs will be all touch backs, especially if someone like Murphy is back there running them back for 30+ yards.

I think if you want a McCoy handcuff that's fine, but if your benches are short, it may be tough to hold that roster spot.

especially when it's not a productive handcuff (at this time) like Freeman/Coleman or even Howard/Cohen.

I'll see if I can hold onto him until the bye weeks force the issue. As a pure #2 RB, he doesn't have the production of a Coleman, Cohen, Ekeler, or Yeldon, but those guys need to wait for an injury to move up the depth chart, whereas I think Murphy may flat out win the job from McCoy (last week he had six carries for 31 yards while McCoy had seven carries for 22 yards, but that may have simply been the response to the team falling behind by a zillion points and not a legit hint at a timeshare). And then there's always the possibility that McCoy is suspended. The circumstantial evidence against him is pretty damn strong. In the meantime, if DJ is back at practice I'm gonna drop for Ekeler (if nobody beats me to him on the waiver wire, where I'm #12).
That last line was supposed to read "drop Chase Edmonds for Ekeler"
RE: RE: Milton  
allstarjim : 9/13/2018 6:10 pm : link
In comment 14074249 allstarjim said:
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I wouldn't bank on return yards unless the player is a contributor on offense too.

Last week the Ravens kicked off a whopping 9 times to Buffalo (with 5 returns), I know Buffalo is terrible in all facets, but that's not something I think I'd rely on in fantasy football. Even if Buffalo gives up 30+, many times those kick-offs will be all touch backs, especially if someone like Murphy is back there running them back for 30+ yards.

I think if you want a McCoy handcuff that's fine, but if your benches are short, it may be tough to hold that roster spot.

especially when it's not a productive handcuff (at this time) like Freeman/Coleman or even Howard/Cohen.



I have a 12 team league in which I do not have a deep bench. It's a .5 point PPR.

I have 'Zeke and DJ and have handcuffed them both with Rod Smith and Chase Edmonds. I am pretty sure I want that insurance, would feel too exposed if one of those guys were to get hurt, they are both too key to my season.

That said, my next RB is Marlon Mack. I have Dede Westbrook and Ryan Grant (who I just added because of potential for large volume) as my 5th/6th receivers.

In this league, you have to be ahead of the curve in adding a RB, can't wait until an injury to get a guy. It's a FAAB waiver league. Jalen Richard and Marcus Murphy is available. I think Westbrook has a lot of upside but I'm wondering if I should risk dropping 'Zeke's handcuff for one of those two guys, or Dede.

Tough call.


I forgot to say in this league we get 1 pt per 20 return yards also.
handcuffs in fantasy football are a personal  
pjcas18 : 9/13/2018 6:11 pm : link
call and philosophy.

I generally avoid them as I said before unless the handcuff player has some value on their own and even then in a draft the player needs to be great value in the spot, because a) it ties up a roster spot, b) the "better" player you drafted may never get hurt, c) the handcuff player may not even equal the production of a non-handcuff player who you could have drafted instead.

How were David Johnson and Zeke Elliot's hand cuffs last year? Smith was decent in small doses, Morris wasn't great- and then which one did you handcfuff, most people had Morris or McFadden, or how were AP and Kerwynn Williams, etc replacing DJ. just not worth it IMO.

but people do handcuff players and have success - and if you were a Bell owner who drafted Conner you were rewarded for it (in week 1 at least). So it's a personal choice.
It really depends on the offense and who the backup is  
UConn4523 : 9/13/2018 6:22 pm : link
for example, Gallman or Stewart are worthless in fantasy if Barkley goes down.

I generally steer clear of prioritizing handcuffs unless it’s a Connor type situation. I like to focus on split backfields instead that could turn into a full time role due to performance or injury. You are more likely to get a lot more out of these types of players.
pjcas, UConn  
Milton : 9/13/2018 6:34 pm : link
That makes sense. It's just that DJ finished the last two seasons on IR so it made me jumpy when he was listed on the injury report yesterday. That's why I dropped Ekeler at the time (and then immediately regretted it). Ekeler fits perfectly within the profile of a #2 who gets enough snaps that he isn't worthless if you needed to start him. I think the same is "potentially" true of Murphy if you include his return yards. Assuming I get Ekeler back tonight (more likely than not), I think a RB roster of Gurley, DJ, Breida, Ekeler, and Murphy is pretty damn solid with two blue-chip starters and three lottery tickets (that aren't just lottery tickets). I'll probably trim one of the lottery tickets once I get a better feel for where their seasons are headed. One game is a dangerous sample set.
Yeah I don’t really make any big moves  
UConn4523 : 9/13/2018 6:44 pm : link
after week 1. My main league I have DJ, Breida, Jamaal Williams, Kerryon Johnson, Ingram and Lindsey. I’ve got enough upside there and will be even stronger once Ingram’s suspension is over. The rest of my team is loaded.
I try and trade  
pjcas18 : 9/13/2018 6:50 pm : link
all the time. In one of my leagues they call me Danny Ainge. My trades aren't normally as one-sided as the Brees trade I had, but I constantly try and improve my team. It's a keeper league so often there are draft picks involved.


Waivers less, but I do trade.

RE: Yeah I don’t really make any big moves  
JayBinQueens : 9/13/2018 7:51 pm : link
In comment 14074278 UConn4523 said:
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after week 1. My main league I have DJ, Breida, Jamaal Williams, Kerryon Johnson, Ingram and Lindsey. I’ve got enough upside there and will be even stronger once Ingram’s suspension is over. The rest of my team is loaded.


Every week though you have hard decisions to make. If you could, wouldn't you prefer to package a few of them to get a sure start?
RE: RE: Yeah I don’t really make any big moves  
UConn4523 : 9/13/2018 7:57 pm : link
In comment 14074325 JayBinQueens said:
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after week 1. My main league I have DJ, Breida, Jamaal Williams, Kerryon Johnson, Ingram and Lindsey. I’ve got enough upside there and will be even stronger once Ingram’s suspension is over. The rest of my team is loaded.



Every week though you have hard decisions to make. If you could, wouldn't you prefer to package a few of them to get a sure start?


Ehh, I’d rather have a hard decision than be desperate due to having handcuffs that don’t play until there is an injury. I’d package if the opportunity presents itself but for now I’d like to hold on to them and see if an early lottery ticket emerges.

Everyone had their own strategy but I’ve had a lot of success stock piling RBs in the mid to late rounds.
RE: handcuffs in fantasy football are a personal  
Dr. D : 9/13/2018 8:20 pm : link
In comment 14074255 pjcas18 said:
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call and philosophy.


I'm not a big fan of handcuffs. I prefer to get bench guys if possible, who are their teams respective #1, though obviously of lower level.

Dealing with byes can be enough of a challenge without giving up 1 or 2 roster spots with handcuffs.

As of now, my 3rd and 4th RBs are Chris Carson and Marlon Mack whose byes don't coincide with my starters (Barkley and McCaffrey).

RE: RE: handcuffs in fantasy football are a personal  
Milton : 9/13/2018 8:47 pm : link
In comment 14074347 Dr. D said:
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call and philosophy.




I'm not a big fan of handcuffs. I prefer to get bench guys if possible, who are their teams respective #1, though obviously of lower level.

Dealing with byes can be enough of a challenge without giving up 1 or 2 roster spots with handcuffs.

As of now, my 3rd and 4th RBs are Chris Carson and Marlon Mack whose byes don't coincide with my starters (Barkley and McCaffrey).
I wouldn't describe myself as either pro- or anti-handcuff. I think the handcuff aspect is just another piece to the equation. How much weight it gets depends on several variables. Every situation is unique.
started Green and Baltimore D  
UConn4523 : 9/13/2018 8:55 pm : link
really didn't want to do that but didn't want to drop anyone for a 1 week D rental. Whatever, if the TD's are going to Green I'll take it. Getting 20+ points combined between the two is all I can ask.
Milton, I agree  
Dr. D : 9/13/2018 9:33 pm : link
I try to be flexible. I've stayed away from drafting Bell the last 2 years because of his contract stuff, but if I did end up with him this year, Connor would've been a smart handcuff.

I guess if you have a RB with great upside, but know he might potentially miss some time AND his handcuff isn't a big downgrade, then it can make sense.
RE: It really depends on the offense and who the backup is  
allstarjim : 9/14/2018 1:34 am : link
In comment 14074263 UConn4523 said:
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for example, Gallman or Stewart are worthless in fantasy if Barkley goes down.

I generally steer clear of prioritizing handcuffs unless it’s a Connor type situation. I like to focus on split backfields instead that could turn into a full time role due to performance or injury. You are more likely to get a lot more out of these types of players.


Definitely not true. In my case, if Zeke or DJ get hurt, my season is over UNLESS I hold their handcuff. Rod Smith does have talent and he would be very valuable if Zeke gets hurt. Edmonds on the other hand is unproven, but has shown some flash in small doses and preseason.

Whenever there is a player that is critical to your team's success, i.e., your team MVP, usually that is a RB, if you don't handcuff you are taking an unnecessary risk.

If you drafted Bell and didn't also draft Conner or grab him immediately after your draft, you made a dumb mistake. Objectively stupid, in that Bell had yet to sign his tender. In 12 team leagues or more, handcuffs are even more important. I've never in my 15 years or so of fantasy football, had two handcuffs on my team, but this was a rare exception, being that my team's success hinges greatly on the production of Zeke and DJ. I'm not going to draft Ronald Jones hoping he produces and leaving myself holding the bag if he doesn't and DJ goes on IR. That said, if you have great positional depth...in one league I have Saquon, Dalvin, Mixon, and Jordan Howard...sure, a handcuff isn't necessary at this point because I have enough quality depth that any two of those guys can start for me.

But normally, if you are in a 12 team league and you don't handcuff your #1, you are probably doing it wrong.
Not sure what definitely isn’t true  
UConn4523 : 9/14/2018 6:55 am : link
but if it’s what you bolded above I can say with complete confidence that Stewart is worthless and Gallman would be marginally better than him as far as fantasy goes.

I stated earlier it depends on the situation but I’d rather have a guy getting work now as opposed to holding a backup who gets zero work. You used Ronald Jones as an example and I wouldn’t roster him either over guys I currently have on my teams.

There’s a ton of factors but there are some handcuffs out there that simply aren’t worth wasting a roster spot on and the Giants backfield is one of them.
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