If Norwell was Gettleman’s main target in free agency as widely reported, what was the plan for LT if he signed Norwell. Hard to believe they would have kept Flowers but Norwell and Solders wasn’t going to happen. What was the plan for upgrading the tackle position if Norwell was signed?
DG inherited an OL that basically needed to be replaced at every single position. My guess is the plan was to dedicate as much free agent dollars he could at whatever OL were the best upgrades available. He started with Norwell but lost and moved onto Solder and Omameh. Then he focused on getting another OL with 2nd round pick.
Think more triage with a lot of money than a plan...
Solder is good, but I've seen enough Patriots games to know he wasn't Ogden or Munoz...he gets beat. He's an upgrade over Flowers.
The root cause of this mess is the shitty drafting. When you screw up the draft year after year, this is the kind of mess you get into.
The big question now is can they fix it in time before Eli is finished? Clock is ticking.
DG was going to spend what he could on whom was available via UFA, which wasn't much. He was going to draft the best OL available in accordance with their draft value board.
When poor drafting forces your hand, you wind up spending A+ money on Solder, a B/B+ talent.
DG was going to spend what he could on whom was available via UFA, which wasn't much. He was going to draft the best OL available in accordance with their draft value board.
When poor drafting forces your hand, you wind up spending A+ money on Solder, a B/B+ talent.
I think some people recognized that. These are also the same people asking, "Does Eli have 2-3 years left?"
so here we are...
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Fans want a total OL rebuild in one offseason, and it was a pipedream. If you think this way instead of like a fan, it's clear to see it was a 2-3 offseason project to rebuild the OL.
DG was going to spend what he could on whom was available via UFA, which wasn't much. He was going to draft the best OL available in accordance with their draft value board.
When poor drafting forces your hand, you wind up spending A+ money on Solder, a B/B+ talent.
I think some people recognized that. These are also the same people asking, "Does Eli have 2-3 years left?"
For certain, and it was part of the gamble staying with Eli.
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Fans want a total OL rebuild in one offseason, and it was a pipedream. If you think this way instead of like a fan, it's clear to see it was a 2-3 offseason project to rebuild the OL.
DG was going to spend what he could on whom was available via UFA, which wasn't much. He was going to draft the best OL available in accordance with their draft value board.
When poor drafting forces your hand, you wind up spending A+ money on Solder, a B/B+ talent.
I think some people recognized that. These are also the same people asking, "Does Eli have 2-3 years left?"
For certain, and it was part of the gamble staying with Eli.
I have a feeling this is all going to work out in the end. I think that Eli will play well this season but then fall off a cliff next year. Next season will suck but it will put them in place to get one of the top QB's in the draft, if they don't get one this year. Then they will get their future QB, be able to move on from Eli and his cap number, and move forward with Beckham, Barkley, Shepard, and Engram in their primes.
There are two ways to build an NFL team wholesale and retail. Wholesale is drafting, waiver wire and UDFA's. Retail is paying elite money for players who are only above average. Hence OV & Solder. The Giants are so bad at wholesale they're forced to pay retail for almost everything. Even the horrible new RG is way overpaid and the 3rd string RB too.
Throw in a 15 year QB and you're in cap hell with a top heavy roster and no room to rebuild on the fly. The Vikings had FIVE new OL's last year and made it to the championship game. They must have had a good OC.
Not a surprise if you go left to right pff score on our oline drops almost linerarelly?
It's not about the B+ talent... you can win with B+ talent. We won a Super Bowl with David Diehl playing left tackle.
The issue is when you spend top dollar (top 3 OL contract) on B talent... then fans wonder, "Why do we never have much salary cap room?"
There are two ways to build an NFL team wholesale and retail. Wholesale is drafting, waiver wire and UDFA's. Retail is paying elite money for players who are only above average. Hence OV & Solder. The Giants are so bad at wholesale they're forced to pay retail for almost everything. Even the horrible new RG is way overpaid and the 3rd string RB too.
Throw in a 15 year QB and you're in cap hell with a top heavy roster and no room to rebuild on the fly. The Vikings had FIVE new OL's last year and made it to the championship game. They must have had a good OC.
Some fans are able to view things with clear perspective and without emotional attachment.
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talent at left tackle any day of the fucking week. Have you seen OL play around the league? Solder will be fine.
It's not about the B+ talent... you can win with B+ talent. We won a Super Bowl with David Diehl playing left tackle.
The issue is when you spend top dollar (top 3 OL contract) on B talent... then fans wonder, "Why do we never have much salary cap room?"
He was a top 10 pick. If had been the elite (or even just solid) presence at LT that a top 10 pick in his 4th year should be, we wouldn't have had to pay Solder what he got, maybe could have even bid even more for Norwell and landed him. We probably still could have taken Hernandez for the other OG spot and then spent the Omameh money on finding at least a serviceable RT. That would leave the line looking elite on the left and average or above average on the right, but over all that means we'd have a good o-line. With a good o-line this offense could really go off. No use having a bunch of weapons if our 37 year old immobile QB has no time in the pocket.
Why I rant on duber quick to develop run plays, same thing. To force that hesitation on the next play...being one reason.
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talent at left tackle any day of the fucking week. Have you seen OL play around the league? Solder will be fine.
It's not about the B+ talent... you can win with B+ talent. We won a Super Bowl with David Diehl playing left tackle.
The issue is when you spend top dollar (top 3 OL contract) on B talent... then fans wonder, "Why do we never have much salary cap room?"
Correct. Despite the massive investment, the Oline remains a disaster.
Unfortunately, it had the smell of desperation, once DG
lost out on Norwell, boom he immediately signed Solder.
He is an above average LT, but never made a Pro Bowl.
He is definitely an upgrade, but he will have his
moments as well, as seen last Sunday.
They did an overhaul on the O Line, it is not going to look good in one week, especially against the Jags.
Lets see how it plays out, trying to be hopeful about it,
but Flowers has to at least hold his own.
Why I rant on duber quick to develop run plays, same thing. To force that hesitation on the next play...being one reason.
I think you are 100% correct. For the Giants to reach their potential this year, they need a semblance of a running game early on...as you said, a split second of indecision or cheating up half a yard can make all the difference.
plus 2 guys have moved from left to right , Barkley is going to help this line
out and it looks like these coaches know what they’re doing
Jacksonville was a formidable opponent built kind of like the old Giants.......
plus 2 guys have moved from left to right , Barkley is going to help this line
out and it looks like these coaches know what they’re doing
Jacksonville was a formidable opponent built kind of like the old Giants.......
2 different issues. One was you had an old head coach that could no longer manage in-game. The other was a ticking time bomb that rarely got their scouting correct.
If they don't by next season, you'd have a very valid point. But none of these guys made some team fire their XO, GM or HC for those 3 rascals.
Heard someone say the same about Stewart.