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NFT: David Wright announcement expected today

DanMetroMan : 9/13/2018 9:13 am
Expectation is he will play in at least 1 final game and then "retire" but that's mostly speculation.
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Is it something  
pjcas18 : 9/13/2018 2:01 pm : link
like the Rangers and Fielder? When he's on the 2 year DL?
David Wright is done with baseball after this  
ZGiants98 : 9/13/2018 2:02 pm : link
Homestand. Retiring.
But why all the uncertainty with the statements?  
Knineteen : 9/13/2018 2:03 pm : link
Are insurance legalities getting in the way here?
Is it a psychological thing, can he not come to grips with his future?
I’m sure they have agreed to some sort of buyout  
ZGiants98 : 9/13/2018 2:04 pm : link
Good for Wright for not milking this anymore. Good for the Mets for activating him and giving one last hoorah to the fans.
.  
ZGiants98 : 9/13/2018 2:05 pm : link

Mike Puma

@NYPost_Mets
David Wright says he is finished with baseball after this last homestand.
Love Wright,  
Pete in MD : 9/13/2018 2:08 pm : link
glad he did the right thing here :-)
Medically unable to play  
Knineteen : 9/13/2018 2:10 pm : link
Looks like they ARE going to continue milking this.
RE: Medically unable to play  
schabadoo : 9/13/2018 2:16 pm : link
In comment 14073977 Knineteen said:
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Looks like they ARE going to continue milking this.


How is it 'milking' if he can't play?
RE: Well like I said from the beginning  
Eric on Li : 9/13/2018 2:17 pm : link
In comment 14073954 pjcas18 said:
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Reyes should not be starting. So once we get past that it's a role that doesn't get much playing time.

IMO it has to either be a veteran who is past their prime or a prospect who has plateaued and doesn't need playing time to develop and sitting on the bench at the major league level makes more sense than playing him.

Once you check those boxes suggest a name. Every team has veteran bench guys.


And like I said from the beginning, if Jose Reyes is the best the next GM can do for next year in any role it is a failed litmus test in my eyes. I just don't see how it's possible to find a worse use of a 40 man spot. I have no issue with him rostering veterans who can help the team win or young players to develop. I do have an issue if he's going to roster crappy players who simultaneously don't help the team win and block young players.
Sounds  
pjcas18 : 9/13/2018 2:18 pm : link
like Fielder IMO.

It's weird he hasn't said the word retirement. just like Fidlder, who will spend 4 years on the 60-day DL.

RE: I’m sure they have agreed to some sort of buyout  
Eric on Li : 9/13/2018 2:21 pm : link
In comment 14073966 ZGiants98 said:
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Good for Wright for not milking this anymore. Good for the Mets for activating him and giving one last hoorah to the fans.


I'm quite certain they used this activation to force him to the table on a buyout. This activation was their leverage to get to a settlement. Not saying it's wrong, just don't think it's quite accurate to portray their gesture purely benevolent.
RE: RE: I’m sure they have agreed to some sort of buyout  
ZGiants98 : 9/13/2018 2:24 pm : link
In comment 14073992 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 14073966 ZGiants98 said:


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Good for Wright for not milking this anymore. Good for the Mets for activating him and giving one last hoorah to the fans.



I'm quite certain they used this activation to force him to the table on a buyout. This activation was their leverage to get to a settlement. Not saying it's wrong, just don't think it's quite accurate to portray their gesture purely benevolent.


I doubt that. My gut tells me Wright was planning on this for some time now and the homestand has nothing to do with it. Maybe they did discuss the money they’d have to pay from the insurance when discussing his buyout terms but this is best for the Mets too. Of course the Mets would love to have a weekend like this to finish out a dreary year.
In all likelihood  
Jim in Fairfax : 9/13/2018 2:26 pm : link
This is a three-way negotiation including the insurance company. Likely they are hammering out a reduced lump sum payout.
RE: RE: Well like I said from the beginning  
pjcas18 : 9/13/2018 2:26 pm : link
In comment 14073985 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 14073954 pjcas18 said:


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Reyes should not be starting. So once we get past that it's a role that doesn't get much playing time.

IMO it has to either be a veteran who is past their prime or a prospect who has plateaued and doesn't need playing time to develop and sitting on the bench at the major league level makes more sense than playing him.

Once you check those boxes suggest a name. Every team has veteran bench guys.



And like I said from the beginning, if Jose Reyes is the best the next GM can do for next year in any role it is a failed litmus test in my eyes. I just don't see how it's possible to find a worse use of a 40 man spot. I have no issue with him rostering veterans who can help the team win or young players to develop. I do have an issue if he's going to roster crappy players who simultaneously don't help the team win and block young players.


I get it, and that's your opinion which is fine.

I will not use Reyes as a litmus test for the next GM. If he's gone, great, they will undoubtedly get someone to fill that role.

My litmus test for the next GM will be how they handle:

Bullpen
Catcher
Bruce/Frazier
Free agency in general
Rule V
Under the radar moves/reclamation projects that may not pay off current year, but could have upside down the road (Rich Hill type players).

the 24th man on the roster is not my litmus test for the GM whether it's Reyes or not.

Regardless, if he's on the roster Reyes should not get significant playing time.
RE: Sounds  
Mad Mike : 9/13/2018 2:26 pm : link
In comment 14073986 pjcas18 said:
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like Fielder IMO.

It's weird he hasn't said the word retirement. just like Fidlder, who will spend 4 years on the 60-day DL.

That's what it seems like to me. It's not in either party's economic interest to do a buyout when the insurance covers so much of his contract. (Even with the reset on part of next season due to being activated now).
RE: RE: Medically unable to play  
Knineteen : 9/13/2018 2:28 pm : link
In comment 14073984 schabadoo said:
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How is it 'milking' if he can't play?

Because the next logical step is to retire...which he should have done 2 years ago. This step isn't happening!
No one, over the past 2 years, believed Wright would be in ANY team's future. Clearly, this path has been used to collected as much salary as possible.
RE: RE: RE: Medically unable to play  
schabadoo : 9/13/2018 2:31 pm : link
In comment 14074001 Knineteen said:
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In comment 14073984 schabadoo said:


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How is it 'milking' if he can't play?


Because the next logical step is to retire...which he should have done 2 years ago. This step isn't happening!
No one, over the past 2 years, believed Wright would be in ANY team's future. Clearly, this path has been used to collected as much salary as possible.


Retiring would be Wright's decision, unless I'm missing something. Why would he give up money he's owed?
RE: In all likelihood  
schabadoo : 9/13/2018 2:32 pm : link
In comment 14073997 Jim in Fairfax said:
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This is a three-way negotiation including the insurance company. Likely they are hammering out a reduced lump sum payout.


This I can see.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Medically unable to play  
Knineteen : 9/13/2018 2:35 pm : link
In comment 14074003 schabadoo said:
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Retiring would be Wright's decision, unless I'm missing something. Why would he give up money he's owed?

Because it's predicated on him playing or the expectation of him playing. Neither is happening nor has either happened in 2+ years.
Knineteen  
pjcas18 : 9/13/2018 2:39 pm : link
his contract is guaranteed. Period.

Wright has to do nothing to get that money.

Like Prince Fielder, who doctors said cannot play baseball again, Wright's language today sounded similar.

He said "doctors told him his body will not recover enough to allow him to play again".

Fielder didn't settle, and he too had insurance on his contract. He's just on the 60 day DL until his contract is up.

Wright may opt to settle for whatever reason, but he contractually does not have to and the Mets (with the insurance company) owe him every cent of his contract.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Medically unable to play  
moze1021 : 9/13/2018 2:39 pm : link
In comment 14074013 Knineteen said:
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In comment 14074003 schabadoo said:


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Retiring would be Wright's decision, unless I'm missing something. Why would he give up money he's owed?


Because it's predicated on him playing or the expectation of him playing. Neither is happening nor has either happened in 2+ years.


He has continued to try to play... it's his desire to play..

Unfortunately injury which was exacerbated by his job prevents him from playing. That's his employers liability, not his.
RE: Knineteen  
Knineteen : 9/13/2018 2:47 pm : link
In comment 14074021 pjcas18 said:
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his contract is guaranteed. Period.

Wright has to do nothing to get that money.

If he retires at the end of the 2018 season, he gets the rest of his contracted salary.
So, why not just retire? Why is he hanging around the organization as a player?
No  
pjcas18 : 9/13/2018 2:51 pm : link
if he retires he walks from his money. Players do it, but it's rare. Gil Meche was one I remember, he walked from like $12M guaranteed $$.

Sounds pretty clear he is NOT retiring.

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Tim Healey
‏Verified account @timbhealey
13s14 seconds ago

Tim Healey Retweeted The Potter's Clay

If Wright officially retired, he would be giving up the money owed to him through 2020. If he is declared medically unable to play -- which sounds like the case -- it's far more complicated and the parties probably will work something out money-wise.
RE: No  
Knineteen : 9/13/2018 3:04 pm : link
In comment 14074040 pjcas18 said:
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if he retires he walks from his money. Players do it, but it's rare. Gil Meche was one I remember, he walked from like $12M guaranteed $$.

Sounds pretty clear he is NOT retiring.

<sigh>

Yes, he is not retiring because he wants his money. He's been doing this "comeback" for his money.
He will have effectively collected 5 years of salary...$87 million, and contributed nothing to this franchise during that time period.

As a Mets and Wright fan, I have a hard time believing this "love for baseball" comeback. The contract is not guaranteed in that he can't just sit on his hands for 5 years and still collect. He had to make a good faith effort to comeback.
RE: Well, clarity finally here  
Shecky : 9/13/2018 3:22 pm : link
In comment 14073555 Shecky said:
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Wright, King of Ny
Always a great Fielder
All around great player, great guy, great teammate
And congrats to Jay Horowitz - about time we see former greats being respected and not forgotten.


It was all right in front of your eyes, for days lol

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If all three sides come to an agreement
Shecky : 9/11/2018 11:33 am : link : reply
Frees up a roster spot this offseason and eliminates All the nonsense. If...
RE: RE: No  
schabadoo : 9/13/2018 3:26 pm : link
In comment 14074061 Knineteen said:
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In comment 14074040 pjcas18 said:


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if he retires he walks from his money. Players do it, but it's rare. Gil Meche was one I remember, he walked from like $12M guaranteed $$.

Sounds pretty clear he is NOT retiring.


<sigh>

Yes, he is not retiring because he wants his money. He's been doing this "comeback" for his money.
He will have effectively collected 5 years of salary...$87 million, and contributed nothing to this franchise during that time period.

As a Mets and Wright fan, I have a hard time believing this "love for baseball" comeback. The contract is not guaranteed in that he can't just sit on his hands for 5 years and still collect. He had to make a good faith effort to comeback.


With all the explanations given, I'm not sure how you're getting this completely wrong, but you have this completely wrong.

He can sit on his hands and collect his money. He could've started doing that some time ago. He wanted to play.
Doctors  
pjcas18 : 9/13/2018 3:44 pm : link
declared his condition will not improve and therefore he cannot play major league baseball.

Call it sitting on your hands or not, he's got guaranteed money owed to him, why would he say forget it, keep it.

And you can question Wright's desire to come back all you want, I'm not prepared to do that. I tend to believe Wright 100% wants to come back and play. If you want to sensationalize it with phrases like love of the game or mock them go right ahead, but then you're sort of suggesting Wright doesn't want to come back and play, he'd rather "sit on his hands" and just collect a paycheck.

You have every right to pretend you know that, I will not make those claims. Nor do I believe them to be true.
RE: Doctors  
Knineteen : 9/13/2018 3:56 pm : link
In comment 14074121 pjcas18 said:
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declared his condition will not improve and therefore he cannot play major league baseball.

Call it sitting on your hands or not, he's got guaranteed money owed to him, why would he say forget it, keep it.

And you can question Wright's desire to come back all you want, I'm not prepared to do that. I tend to believe Wright 100% wants to come back and play. If you want to sensationalize it with phrases like love of the game or mock them go right ahead, but then you're sort of suggesting Wright doesn't want to come back and play, he'd rather "sit on his hands" and just collect a paycheck.

You have every right to pretend you know that, I will not make those claims. Nor do I believe them to be true.

Because if he "bleeds" orange and blue, at some point he has to realize the franchise is suffering being locked into his enormous contract. Again, 5 years/ $87 million which resulted in zero production. I'm also not blaming Wright, as the lack of production is from a medical condition; but why is he holding the franchise and fans hostage?

And this is not an outrageous statement since baseball, as a whole, is getting away from these long term contracts as a result.
75%  
pjcas18 : 9/13/2018 4:02 pm : link
of his contract for much of that time was paid by an insurance policy.

So if anyone is holding anyone else hostage it's the Mets ownership by not reinvesting those funds in the payroll.
This isn’t going to be a Prince Fielder  
ZGiants98 : 9/13/2018 4:18 pm : link
Situation. If anything, by playing... he’s proving he could still rehab and try and get on the field next year which he doesn’t want to do. He will settle and come to a buyout. I’m 99% sure of it.
Give him 18 of the 25 owed...  
ZGiants98 : 9/13/2018 4:20 pm : link
Split that 18 over the next 5 years to free up space for next year. Wright gets to go home to bang his hot wife and be with his daughter. Everybody wins.
Wright has been declared  
pjcas18 : 9/13/2018 4:24 pm : link
medically unfit to play, like Fielder. He said in his press conference his doctors have said his body will not allow him to recover enough to play the game.

if the three parties (the Mets, the insurance company, and Wright) decide to reach a settlement they very well could, but the only one who stands to lose in that situation is Wright (and the fans - b/c if they settle it probably means the exact same thing and the savings will not go back into the team).

Maybe Wright's desire to get on the field one more time, and the financial impact of that desire to the Mets, motivates him to settle, but only Wright of the 3 parties has anything to lose by settling this.

If he has been declared medically unfit to  
ZGiants98 : 9/13/2018 4:28 pm : link
play officially he wouldn’t be playing in this upcoming homestand. Wright has plenty to gain by not going through the sherade of rehabbing, etc. over the next two seasons. Players settle all the time when retiring. What did Cuddyer have to gain by taking less when he settled? It’s pretty common.
RE: 75%  
Knineteen : 9/13/2018 4:29 pm : link
In comment 14074144 pjcas18 said:
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of his contract for much of that time was paid by an insurance policy.

So if anyone is holding anyone else hostage it's the Mets ownership by not reinvesting those funds in the payroll.

I don't see it that way because the owners have to pay an expensive premium on that policy which is completely separate from the contract. If owners want to protect themselves, that's their business. The fans don't care about insurance policies...they just want players signed, nor do fans want premiums factored into payroll calculations in order to boost payroll figures. I'm not against either stance, but you can't mix the two.

But this topic is really separate from my original point...
This sucks. He doesn't deserve to have his career  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/13/2018 4:30 pm : link
End this way.
Notice Wright never used the word retire?  
pjcas18 : 9/13/2018 4:30 pm : link
here is an article from mlbtraderumors....

My guess is he will be medically declared unfit after these three games to end the season.

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....To be clear, it does not sound as though Wright will formally announce his retirement. Newsday’s Tim Healey tweets that Wright, notably, did not use that word when describing his future, though he’s also been informed by doctors that his condition simply will not improve. Joel Sherman of the New York Post tweets that, indeed, Wright will not formally retire but will not return as a player during his contract. Wright is still signed through the 2020 season under the eight-year, $138MM extension he inked in Dec. 2012. He’s slated to earn $15MM in 2019 and $12MM in 2020 on that front-loaded deal, and if he’s declared medically unfit to play — as will be the case — he’ll continue to be paid out those sums.....
Medically unfit to play  
Knineteen : 9/13/2018 4:32 pm : link
but he's playing in 2 weeks.

Makes zero sense to me.
Well... I guess we’ll see then...  
ZGiants98 : 9/13/2018 4:35 pm : link
If he is truly declared medically unfit officially then I guess the insurance would just pay out 75% for two years but the Mets are still spending a good chunk next year just for activating him this year. Just like your saying there’s no benefit for him to settle, what benefit do the Mets receive then for giving him this opportunity this year? You would think they would have come to some sort of agreement. Also, Wright could be not using the word “retirement” because technically it’s not. A buyout is not a retirement.
RE: Medically unfit to play  
ZGiants98 : 9/13/2018 4:36 pm : link
In comment 14074178 Knineteen said:
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but he's playing in 2 weeks.

Makes zero sense to me.


Yeah I don’t get that either. That would be mighty generous of the insurance company to buy that.
RE: Medically unfit to play  
pjcas18 : 9/13/2018 4:38 pm : link
In comment 14074178 Knineteen said:
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but he's playing in 2 weeks.

Makes zero sense to me.


Just my guess, he'll play these three games to end the season, get examined by the doctors after the games, and they'll say the conditioned has either worsened or not improved, his pain level and preparation requirements too high and post 2018 season they'll declare him medically unfit.

again, that's just a guess based on what the beat writers and reporters are saying.

then there won't be any guesswork, he'll just be on the 60-DL the next two years.

Or he could reach a settlement and completely sever ties, but I think it would be the former, not the latter.
RE: RE: Doctors  
Jay on the Island : 9/13/2018 4:57 pm : link
In comment 14074136 Knineteen said:
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In comment 14074121 pjcas18 said:


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declared his condition will not improve and therefore he cannot play major league baseball.

Call it sitting on your hands or not, he's got guaranteed money owed to him, why would he say forget it, keep it.

And you can question Wright's desire to come back all you want, I'm not prepared to do that. I tend to believe Wright 100% wants to come back and play. If you want to sensationalize it with phrases like love of the game or mock them go right ahead, but then you're sort of suggesting Wright doesn't want to come back and play, he'd rather "sit on his hands" and just collect a paycheck.

You have every right to pretend you know that, I will not make those claims. Nor do I believe them to be true.


Because if he "bleeds" orange and blue, at some point he has to realize the franchise is suffering being locked into his enormous contract. Again, 5 years/ $87 million which resulted in zero production. I'm also not blaming Wright, as the lack of production is from a medical condition; but why is he holding the franchise and fans hostage?

And this is not an outrageous statement since baseball, as a whole, is getting away from these long term contracts as a result.

I'm sure if you were in his shoes you would say "here Mets you can keep the 87 million because it's best for the organization."
RE: RE: Medically unfit to play  
Jay on the Island : 9/13/2018 4:59 pm : link
In comment 14074185 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 14074178 Knineteen said:


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but he's playing in 2 weeks.

Makes zero sense to me.



Just my guess, he'll play these three games to end the season, get examined by the doctors after the games, and they'll say the conditioned has either worsened or not improved, his pain level and preparation requirements too high and post 2018 season they'll declare him medically unfit.

again, that's just a guess based on what the beat writers and reporters are saying.

then there won't be any guesswork, he'll just be on the 60-DL the next two years.

Or he could reach a settlement and completely sever ties, but I think it would be the former, not the latter.

This
I don't doubt any of that will happen  
Knineteen : 9/13/2018 5:00 pm : link
but he's been on the 60 day DL for 2 years. Why is he suddenly "healthy" enough to play a home-stand?

We get it, Wright can't play due to health reasons and this is his last hooray; his goodbye.
The insurance company isn't stupid. They have to be on-board with this.
Most likely, insurance agrees to pay out the full policy for 2018 and let Wright play in exchange for a reduced payment the next 2 years.

I'm also not looking past ownership banking on the ticket revenue from these last games either.
RE: I don't doubt any of that will happen  
pjcas18 : 9/13/2018 5:04 pm : link
In comment 14074196 Knineteen said:
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but he's been on the 60 day DL for 2 years. Why is he suddenly "healthy" enough to play a home-stand?

We get it, Wright can't play due to health reasons and this is his last hooray; his goodbye.
The insurance company isn't stupid. They have to be on-board with this.
Most likely, insurance agrees to pay out the full policy for 2018 and let Wright play in exchange for a reduced payment the next 2 years.

I'm also not looking past ownership banking on the ticket revenue from these last games either.


it's possible and Wight may be willing to endure the pain of playing for one last chance on the mound at the price of a few million dollars.

At the end of the day (channeling my inner Antrel Rolle) as a Mets fan it's irrelevant to me how he separated (retires and walks from the money, settles with the Mets/insurance company for less than the guarantees, or stays on the DL for two years, unless the Mets re-invest money into the payroll they will save from Wright.

So however they can separate and create new payroll flexibility that is my goal.
RE: RE: RE: Doctors  
Knineteen : 9/13/2018 5:05 pm : link
In comment 14074192 Jay on the Island said:
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I'm sure if you were in his shoes you would say "here Mets you can keep the 87 million because it's best for the organization."

Where did I say all $87 million!?
Try for a year or two; collect half the remaining contract and then cut the franchise a break.
Don't collect $60 million of the $87 million, cry on TV about how you are medically "unfit" to play and then get ready to play in a farewell game.

All this while still implying the organization will be responsible for the last 2 years of the contract!
Puma believes  
pjcas18 : 9/13/2018 5:43 pm : link
they will settle. He also says Wright's return costs the Mets 611k or something like that, I've read other people say a few million. Maybe it would be a few million if he didn't retire because the insurance wouldn't kick in again.

If he settles, this "last hurrah" costs Wright a lot of money, so people criticizing him maybe respect that a little.

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...The 35-year-old Wright, who last appeared in a game for the Mets on May 27, 2016, will be activated from the disabled list on Sept. 25, according to team COO Jeff Wilpon, and start at third base on Sept. 29, the final Saturday of the season. The Mets conclude their season the following day, after which the club is expected to reach an insurance settlement on the $27 million remaining on Wright’s contract, through 2020.

With Wright on the disabled list, the Mets have recovered 75 percent of his salary. Wright’s return will cost the club $641,711....
RE: Puma believes  
pjcas18 : 9/13/2018 5:43 pm : link
In comment 14074230 pjcas18 said:
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they will settle. He also says Wright's return costs the Mets 611k or something like that, I've read other people say a few million. Maybe it would be a few million if he didn't retire because the insurance wouldn't kick in again.

If he settles, this "last hurrah" costs Wright a lot of money, so people criticizing him maybe respect that a little.



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...The 35-year-old Wright, who last appeared in a game for the Mets on May 27, 2016, will be activated from the disabled list on Sept. 25, according to team COO Jeff Wilpon, and start at third base on Sept. 29, the final Saturday of the season. The Mets conclude their season the following day, after which the club is expected to reach an insurance settlement on the $27 million remaining on Wright’s contract, through 2020.

With Wright on the disabled list, the Mets have recovered 75 percent of his salary. Wright’s return will cost the club $641,711....



Sorry, not retire, but a few million if he didn't settle....
$641,711 in exchange for two sell-out games?  
Knineteen : 9/13/2018 9:16 pm : link
Yeah, the Mets will take that.

Is he going to be activated for the entire 6 game home-stand? Didn't he mention something about possibly facing a soft-throwing lefty? If so, that's going to sell seats as well.
RE: $641,711 in exchange for two sell-out games?  
pjcas18 : 9/13/2018 9:20 pm : link
In comment 14074397 Knineteen said:
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Yeah, the Mets will take that.

Is he going to be activated for the entire 6 game home-stand? Didn't he mention something about possibly facing a soft-throwing lefty? If so, that's going to sell seats as well.


I believe he was joking about that, sort of self deprecation.
Good Luck David Wright  
ChathamMark : 9/13/2018 10:01 pm : link
Class act for the Mets, 100+ RBI's in 5 of his years. 7 time all-star, 2 Gold Gloves, 2 Silver Sluggers. Sad injuries took him to the end.
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