Everything is pointing to Wright playing in the last homestand. Gotta admit, if the Wilpons allow it, thryll be basically forfeiting millions to throw the fans a bone which would be pretty cool. Hope it happens.
Everything is pointing to Wright playing in the last homestand. Gotta admit, if the Wilpons allow it, thryll be basically forfeiting millions to throw the fans a bone which would be pretty cool. Hope it happens.
Not really. The belief is the agreement involves Wright giving back money owed in exchange for playing.
Am I wrong in saying it feels like this guy hasn't played in like 5 years? I don't follow the Mets like you all do, but it seems like ages ago that he was in the majors.
It would be cool to see Wright have a last few moments
Am I wrong in saying it feels like this guy hasn't played in like 5 years? I don't follow the Mets like you all do, but it seems like ages ago that he was in the majors.
He last played May 27 2016
RE: RE: Judging by Reyes comments last night as well...
Everything is pointing to Wright playing in the last homestand. Gotta admit, if the Wilpons allow it, thryll be basically forfeiting millions to throw the fans a bone which would be pretty cool. Hope it happens.
Not really. The belief is the agreement involves Wright giving back money owed in exchange for playing.
If Wright plays the last home stand, will his insurance give back be prorated by the number of games he is active on the 40 man roster? If so, it maybe 1 million or less forfeited by the Wilpons
Everything is pointing to Wright playing in the last homestand. Gotta admit, if the Wilpons allow it, thryll be basically forfeiting millions to throw the fans a bone which would be pretty cool. Hope it happens.
Not really. The belief is the agreement involves Wright giving back money owed in exchange for playing.
If Wright plays the last home stand, will his insurance give back be prorated by the number of games he is active on the 40 man roster? If so, it maybe 1 million or less forfeited by the Wilpons
If Wright plays a single game his first 60 days of pay for 2019 lose insurance coverage aka instead of the Mets paying 25% of his 60 days salary the Mets would owe 100%. If he agrees to a buyout (as expected) this is all moot.
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Peter Alonso said he was told that not being called up was a "business decision, an organizational decision."
I thought minor leaguers couldn't file a grievance since they're not in the "union"
MLB players union has already fired shots over this with the expectation a battle is coming.
"The possibility of a grievance filed at a future date on behalf of the prodigy Guerrero was raised last week after Sportsnet spoke to a member of the players association front office, who wished to remain anonymous. Those quotes raised the ire of Jays president Mark Shapiro."
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Peter Alonso said he was told that not being called up was a "business decision, an organizational decision."
I thought minor leaguers couldn't file a grievance since they're not in the "union"
MLB players union has already fired shots over this with the expectation a battle is coming.
"The possibility of a grievance filed at a future date on behalf of the prodigy Guerrero was raised last week after Sportsnet spoke to a member of the players association front office, who wished to remain anonymous. Those quotes raised the ire of Jays president Mark Shapiro."
I see. So technically Alonso can't file a grievance, but the MLBPA can file one sort of on his behalf?
i'm sure it's just bc of the "activation fee" but good on the mets for forcing the issue and hopefully arriving at a proper conclusion - sendoff for wright, retirement settlement, fresh roster spot to work with going forward.
Scout in a piece from @KenDavidoff does not believe Alonso's glove is good enough to be an MLB 1b Link - ( New Window )
Dropped his errors from 19 to 9 this year. Only had 3 in Vegas in 60 games. At least it's progress. With the reports being that he's a hard worker I have a hard time believing he can't be marginal. Bruce basically picked up a glove for the first time in a decade and has been passable.
can win a gold glove (even though we know GG's are a joke) I believe anyone can improve their defense with hard work.
Speed and agility could prevent someone from being a plus defender, but just my opinion, defense is fixable to a passable level.
It's weird to see players get to upper minor leagues and not be able to play passable D (especially when for someone like Dom Smith (for example) defense was supposed to be a strength), but it's what I believe.
trolling but I expect Reyes back next year (at least in ST).
If he wasn't blocking young players from getting AB's and valuable playing time would anyone really have a problem with someone who can play a lot of places on the diamond, steal a base, and once in a blue moon provide a decent at-bat?
No. He's a decent bench option. There are probably better, younger, options, but he's not a terrible bench guy. If he is a bench guy.
that's an immediate and easy litmus test for me. Disqualifying is that Reyes is now terrible defensively. Like in the competition for worst defender in baseball over the last 2 years bad. He has 11 errors in about 50 starts this year (400 innings). He's been valued at about -30 runs over these past couple years.
And if that's not good enough he's also still hitting under .200, with a .267 OBP.
Guillorme, Dom Smith, Mcneil all should have had his roster spot at various points in time this season. Same story last year with Cecchini. Wasting a spot on him at the expense of giving young guys time has been the easiest stupid decision the mets have made in the last few years.
this year, even for a bench player. Even an average AAA player would be better (hence his negative 0.7 fWar). If his name wasn't Jose Reyes, I think he wouldn't be in the league, especially considering his really ugly domestic violence incident.
What's done is done for this year. but I hope he can upgrade that roster spot in 2019. I expect that the new GM will go outside the organization but even TJ Rivera or Gavin Cecchini would very likely be a much better option than Reyes IMO.
is not in statistics, yes he's been bad, it's in his versatility. He can do many things at the same equally bad level.
Like I said he can be replaced with younger players, who are at least more proficient at one thing, but if he were limited in his AB's and PT I wouldn't have a major issue with him.
Heck, the Red Sox won the ALCS in 2004 because of a stolen base. The Mets could use even his old legs as a PR.
is not in statistics, yes he's been bad, it's in his versatility. He can do many things at the same equally bad level.
Like I said he can be replaced with younger players, who are at least more proficient at one thing, but if he were limited in his AB's and PT I wouldn't have a major issue with him.
Heck, the Red Sox won the ALCS in 2004 because of a stolen base. The Mets could use even his old legs as a PR.
Hopefully Reyes won't be back. I will give him credit, he kept at it and improved in the 2nd half. Still not to even mediocre major league level, but at least he wasn't the abject disaster he was in the first half.
One last game with Wright and Reyes on the left side of the infield... that would be special. I'd be very tempted to make the first trip from Philly to Citi in a loooong time...
As a 33 year old die-hard, both of these guys are right there with Piazza as all time favorites. Sad that their careers will end like this instead of joining Mike in the hall with Mets caps on (which seemed possible, even likely, back in '07)
is playing better. As frustrated as I've been with the team and the front office, there's still talent here. Part of what makes getting a new front office this offseason exciting, is that I can fully 100% buyin to the Mets making a run at 80 wins this September knowing that a new front office won't take it the wrong way and use it as an excuse not to upgrade this offseason.
Being versatile doesn't matter if you suck at everything
Reyes literally doesn't do anything well anymore. He is a negative impact player in every single aspect of the game (he's even graded out this year as one of their worst base runners) and a negative impact presence because he's basically a walking advertisement that performance doesn't matter on the Mets. If he's that good of a mentor make him a coach or an assistant coach and give back the spot on the 40 man.
if Reyes is gone I'm cool with it, if he's not, but he rarely plays and that's the biggest thing Mets fans have to worry about (Reyes' 40-man spot) in 2019 then I'm guessing the year is drastically different than this one and it's a huge success and I'm not going to worry about it.
of anything Mets since the Brewers stole home on a little league 1st and 3rd situation. I would however tune in to watch David Wright play one last time (if that's what it turns out to be).
if Reyes is gone I'm cool with it, if he's not, but he rarely plays and that's the biggest thing Mets fans have to worry about (Reyes' 40-man spot) in 2019 then I'm guessing the year is drastically different than this one and it's a huge success and I'm not going to worry about it.
Yes and no because his presence is emblematic of the bigger issues that plague this franchise. Preferential treatment, lack of accountability, wasting valuable development resources (service time at the MLB level), and just all around useless, wasteful moves. Reyes hanging around again next year isn't important until his roster spot is standing in the way of next year's Jeff McNeil.
BREAKING: Wright will be activated for final homestand per @NYDNSports #Mets
Really happy for Wright. I really hope this ends things on a high note for him and the organization. That will be 1 more good thing to potentially take from this season.
if Reyes is gone I'm cool with it, if he's not, but he rarely plays and that's the biggest thing Mets fans have to worry about (Reyes' 40-man spot) in 2019 then I'm guessing the year is drastically different than this one and it's a huge success and I'm not going to worry about it.
Yes and no because his presence is emblematic of the bigger issues that plague this franchise. Preferential treatment, lack of accountability, wasting valuable development resources (service time at the MLB level), and just all around useless, wasteful moves. Reyes hanging around again next year isn't important until his roster spot is standing in the way of next year's Jeff McNeil.
I'd rather a veteran sit on the bench in Queens in a limited role that won't get consistent playing time, than a young developmental guy.
I hate calling guys up to sit on the bench, unless it's a AAA veteran, but young guys who need AB's and playing time. Nope. I don't see the value.
So if that the role and you have a better veteran who is cool with one start per week to ten days - like a Juan Uribe type - then sign them up otherwise I'm not going to fret over Reyes in that role. I can't speak for players but I wouldn't view that as favoritism.
if Reyes is gone I'm cool with it, if he's not, but he rarely plays and that's the biggest thing Mets fans have to worry about (Reyes' 40-man spot) in 2019 then I'm guessing the year is drastically different than this one and it's a huge success and I'm not going to worry about it.
Yes and no because his presence is emblematic of the bigger issues that plague this franchise. Preferential treatment, lack of accountability, wasting valuable development resources (service time at the MLB level), and just all around useless, wasteful moves. Reyes hanging around again next year isn't important until his roster spot is standing in the way of next year's Jeff McNeil.
I'd rather a veteran sit on the bench in Queens in a limited role that won't get consistent playing time, than a young developmental guy.
I hate calling guys up to sit on the bench, unless it's a AAA veteran, but young guys who need AB's and playing time. Nope. I don't see the value.
So if that the role and you have a better veteran who is cool with one start per week to ten days - like a Juan Uribe type - then sign them up otherwise I'm not going to fret over Reyes in that role. I can't speak for players but I wouldn't view that as favoritism.
Reyes started 15/20 games in July. He hit .180.
Jeff Mcneil got his first start July 26th after hitting almost .400 in Vegas.
Luis Guillorme likeliest MLB role is as a backup defensive MI. At this moment his MLB batting average is 10 points higher than Reyes'. He was basically banished for the season after a single defensive miscue whereas Reyes remained. He even hit .304 in Vegas this year.
I agree with your comment in theory, bringing up someone like Alonso to sit on the bench doesn't make sense. But that's not the argument as it relates to Reyes. He is a bad bench player and he blocks younger players of all types with his presence on the 40 man alone.
Reyes should not be starting. So once we get past that it's a role that doesn't get much playing time.
IMO it has to either be a veteran who is past their prime or a prospect who has plateaued and doesn't need playing time to develop and sitting on the bench at the major league level makes more sense than playing him.
Once you check those boxes suggest a name. Every team has veteran bench guys.
This has all the makings of a retirement announcement, but nowhere is it indicated as such.
This is such a fucking weird press conference.
Kind of sorta...said everything the doctors are saying is that the Mets last homestand will be it for him, his body will not cooperate with continuing to play after this. They haven't said anything about a buy-out but it's clear his time playing professional baseball is over after this season.
Reyes should not be starting. So once we get past that it's a role that doesn't get much playing time.
IMO it has to either be a veteran who is past their prime or a prospect who has plateaued and doesn't need playing time to develop and sitting on the bench at the major league level makes more sense than playing him.
Once you check those boxes suggest a name. Every team has veteran bench guys.
And like I said from the beginning, if Jose Reyes is the best the next GM can do for next year in any role it is a failed litmus test in my eyes. I just don't see how it's possible to find a worse use of a 40 man spot. I have no issue with him rostering veterans who can help the team win or young players to develop. I do have an issue if he's going to roster crappy players who simultaneously don't help the team win and block young players.
Good for Wright for not milking this anymore. Good for the Mets for activating him and giving one last hoorah to the fans.
I'm quite certain they used this activation to force him to the table on a buyout. This activation was their leverage to get to a settlement. Not saying it's wrong, just don't think it's quite accurate to portray their gesture purely benevolent.
RE: RE: Im sure they have agreed to some sort of buyout
Good for Wright for not milking this anymore. Good for the Mets for activating him and giving one last hoorah to the fans.
I'm quite certain they used this activation to force him to the table on a buyout. This activation was their leverage to get to a settlement. Not saying it's wrong, just don't think it's quite accurate to portray their gesture purely benevolent.
I doubt that. My gut tells me Wright was planning on this for some time now and the homestand has nothing to do with it. Maybe they did discuss the money theyd have to pay from the insurance when discussing his buyout terms but this is best for the Mets too. Of course the Mets would love to have a weekend like this to finish out a dreary year.
Reyes should not be starting. So once we get past that it's a role that doesn't get much playing time.
IMO it has to either be a veteran who is past their prime or a prospect who has plateaued and doesn't need playing time to develop and sitting on the bench at the major league level makes more sense than playing him.
Once you check those boxes suggest a name. Every team has veteran bench guys.
And like I said from the beginning, if Jose Reyes is the best the next GM can do for next year in any role it is a failed litmus test in my eyes. I just don't see how it's possible to find a worse use of a 40 man spot. I have no issue with him rostering veterans who can help the team win or young players to develop. I do have an issue if he's going to roster crappy players who simultaneously don't help the team win and block young players.
I get it, and that's your opinion which is fine.
I will not use Reyes as a litmus test for the next GM. If he's gone, great, they will undoubtedly get someone to fill that role.
My litmus test for the next GM will be how they handle:
Bullpen
Catcher
Bruce/Frazier
Free agency in general
Rule V
Under the radar moves/reclamation projects that may not pay off current year, but could have upside down the road (Rich Hill type players).
the 24th man on the roster is not my litmus test for the GM whether it's Reyes or not.
Regardless, if he's on the roster Reyes should not get significant playing time.
It's weird he hasn't said the word retirement. just like Fidlder, who will spend 4 years on the 60-day DL.
That's what it seems like to me. It's not in either party's economic interest to do a buyout when the insurance covers so much of his contract. (Even with the reset on part of next season due to being activated now).
Because the next logical step is to retire...which he should have done 2 years ago. This step isn't happening!
No one, over the past 2 years, believed Wright would be in ANY team's future. Clearly, this path has been used to collected as much salary as possible.
Because the next logical step is to retire...which he should have done 2 years ago. This step isn't happening!
No one, over the past 2 years, believed Wright would be in ANY team's future. Clearly, this path has been used to collected as much salary as possible.
Retiring would be Wright's decision, unless I'm missing something. Why would he give up money he's owed?
Like Prince Fielder, who doctors said cannot play baseball again, Wright's language today sounded similar.
He said "doctors told him his body will not recover enough to allow him to play again".
Fielder didn't settle, and he too had insurance on his contract. He's just on the 60 day DL until his contract is up.
Wright may opt to settle for whatever reason, but he contractually does not have to and the Mets (with the insurance company) owe him every cent of his contract.
If he retires at the end of the 2018 season, he gets the rest of his contracted salary.
So, why not just retire? Why is he hanging around the organization as a player?
if he retires he walks from his money. Players do it, but it's rare. Gil Meche was one I remember, he walked from like $12M guaranteed $$.
Sounds pretty clear he is NOT retiring.
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If Wright officially retired, he would be giving up the money owed to him through 2020. If he is declared medically unable to play -- which sounds like the case -- it's far more complicated and the parties probably will work something out money-wise.
if he retires he walks from his money. Players do it, but it's rare. Gil Meche was one I remember, he walked from like $12M guaranteed $$.
Sounds pretty clear he is NOT retiring.
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Yes, he is not retiring because he wants his money. He's been doing this "comeback" for his money.
He will have effectively collected 5 years of salary...$87 million, and contributed nothing to this franchise during that time period.
As a Mets and Wright fan, I have a hard time believing this "love for baseball" comeback. The contract is not guaranteed in that he can't just sit on his hands for 5 years and still collect. He had to make a good faith effort to comeback.
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Always a great Fielder
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And congrats to Jay Horowitz - about time we see former greats being respected and not forgotten.
It was all right in front of your eyes, for days lol
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Frees up a roster spot this offseason and eliminates All the nonsense. If...
if he retires he walks from his money. Players do it, but it's rare. Gil Meche was one I remember, he walked from like $12M guaranteed $$.
Sounds pretty clear he is NOT retiring.
<sigh>
Yes, he is not retiring because he wants his money. He's been doing this "comeback" for his money.
He will have effectively collected 5 years of salary...$87 million, and contributed nothing to this franchise during that time period.
As a Mets and Wright fan, I have a hard time believing this "love for baseball" comeback. The contract is not guaranteed in that he can't just sit on his hands for 5 years and still collect. He had to make a good faith effort to comeback.
With all the explanations given, I'm not sure how you're getting this completely wrong, but you have this completely wrong.
He can sit on his hands and collect his money. He could've started doing that some time ago. He wanted to play.
declared his condition will not improve and therefore he cannot play major league baseball.
Call it sitting on your hands or not, he's got guaranteed money owed to him, why would he say forget it, keep it.
And you can question Wright's desire to come back all you want, I'm not prepared to do that. I tend to believe Wright 100% wants to come back and play. If you want to sensationalize it with phrases like love of the game or mock them go right ahead, but then you're sort of suggesting Wright doesn't want to come back and play, he'd rather "sit on his hands" and just collect a paycheck.
You have every right to pretend you know that, I will not make those claims. Nor do I believe them to be true.
declared his condition will not improve and therefore he cannot play major league baseball.
Call it sitting on your hands or not, he's got guaranteed money owed to him, why would he say forget it, keep it.
And you can question Wright's desire to come back all you want, I'm not prepared to do that. I tend to believe Wright 100% wants to come back and play. If you want to sensationalize it with phrases like love of the game or mock them go right ahead, but then you're sort of suggesting Wright doesn't want to come back and play, he'd rather "sit on his hands" and just collect a paycheck.
You have every right to pretend you know that, I will not make those claims. Nor do I believe them to be true.
Because if he "bleeds" orange and blue, at some point he has to realize the franchise is suffering being locked into his enormous contract. Again, 5 years/ $87 million which resulted in zero production. I'm also not blaming Wright, as the lack of production is from a medical condition; but why is he holding the franchise and fans hostage?
And this is not an outrageous statement since baseball, as a whole, is getting away from these long term contracts as a result.
Situation. If anything, by playing... hes proving he could still rehab and try and get on the field next year which he doesnt want to do. He will settle and come to a buyout. Im 99% sure of it.
Split that 18 over the next 5 years to free up space for next year. Wright gets to go home to bang his hot wife and be with his daughter. Everybody wins.
medically unfit to play, like Fielder. He said in his press conference his doctors have said his body will not allow him to recover enough to play the game.
if the three parties (the Mets, the insurance company, and Wright) decide to reach a settlement they very well could, but the only one who stands to lose in that situation is Wright (and the fans - b/c if they settle it probably means the exact same thing and the savings will not go back into the team).
Maybe Wright's desire to get on the field one more time, and the financial impact of that desire to the Mets, motivates him to settle, but only Wright of the 3 parties has anything to lose by settling this.
play officially he wouldnt be playing in this upcoming homestand. Wright has plenty to gain by not going through the sherade of rehabbing, etc. over the next two seasons. Players settle all the time when retiring. What did Cuddyer have to gain by taking less when he settled? Its pretty common.
of his contract for much of that time was paid by an insurance policy.
So if anyone is holding anyone else hostage it's the Mets ownership by not reinvesting those funds in the payroll.
I don't see it that way because the owners have to pay an expensive premium on that policy which is completely separate from the contract. If owners want to protect themselves, that's their business. The fans don't care about insurance policies...they just want players signed, nor do fans want premiums factored into payroll calculations in order to boost payroll figures. I'm not against either stance, but you can't mix the two.
But this topic is really separate from my original point...
My guess is he will be medically declared unfit after these three games to end the season.
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....To be clear, it does not sound as though Wright will formally announce his retirement. Newsdays Tim Healey tweets that Wright, notably, did not use that word when describing his future, though hes also been informed by doctors that his condition simply will not improve. Joel Sherman of the New York Post tweets that, indeed, Wright will not formally retire but will not return as a player during his contract. Wright is still signed through the 2020 season under the eight-year, $138MM extension he inked in Dec. 2012. Hes slated to earn $15MM in 2019 and $12MM in 2020 on that front-loaded deal, and if hes declared medically unfit to play as will be the case hell continue to be paid out those sums.....
If he is truly declared medically unfit officially then I guess the insurance would just pay out 75% for two years but the Mets are still spending a good chunk next year just for activating him this year. Just like your saying theres no benefit for him to settle, what benefit do the Mets receive then for giving him this opportunity this year? You would think they would have come to some sort of agreement. Also, Wright could be not using the word retirement because technically its not. A buyout is not a retirement.
Just my guess, he'll play these three games to end the season, get examined by the doctors after the games, and they'll say the conditioned has either worsened or not improved, his pain level and preparation requirements too high and post 2018 season they'll declare him medically unfit.
again, that's just a guess based on what the beat writers and reporters are saying.
then there won't be any guesswork, he'll just be on the 60-DL the next two years.
Or he could reach a settlement and completely sever ties, but I think it would be the former, not the latter.
declared his condition will not improve and therefore he cannot play major league baseball.
Call it sitting on your hands or not, he's got guaranteed money owed to him, why would he say forget it, keep it.
And you can question Wright's desire to come back all you want, I'm not prepared to do that. I tend to believe Wright 100% wants to come back and play. If you want to sensationalize it with phrases like love of the game or mock them go right ahead, but then you're sort of suggesting Wright doesn't want to come back and play, he'd rather "sit on his hands" and just collect a paycheck.
You have every right to pretend you know that, I will not make those claims. Nor do I believe them to be true.
Because if he "bleeds" orange and blue, at some point he has to realize the franchise is suffering being locked into his enormous contract. Again, 5 years/ $87 million which resulted in zero production. I'm also not blaming Wright, as the lack of production is from a medical condition; but why is he holding the franchise and fans hostage?
And this is not an outrageous statement since baseball, as a whole, is getting away from these long term contracts as a result.
I'm sure if you were in his shoes you would say "here Mets you can keep the 87 million because it's best for the organization."
Just my guess, he'll play these three games to end the season, get examined by the doctors after the games, and they'll say the conditioned has either worsened or not improved, his pain level and preparation requirements too high and post 2018 season they'll declare him medically unfit.
again, that's just a guess based on what the beat writers and reporters are saying.
then there won't be any guesswork, he'll just be on the 60-DL the next two years.
Or he could reach a settlement and completely sever ties, but I think it would be the former, not the latter.
but he's been on the 60 day DL for 2 years. Why is he suddenly "healthy" enough to play a home-stand?
We get it, Wright can't play due to health reasons and this is his last hooray; his goodbye.
The insurance company isn't stupid. They have to be on-board with this.
Most likely, insurance agrees to pay out the full policy for 2018 and let Wright play in exchange for a reduced payment the next 2 years.
I'm also not looking past ownership banking on the ticket revenue from these last games either.
but he's been on the 60 day DL for 2 years. Why is he suddenly "healthy" enough to play a home-stand?
We get it, Wright can't play due to health reasons and this is his last hooray; his goodbye.
The insurance company isn't stupid. They have to be on-board with this.
Most likely, insurance agrees to pay out the full policy for 2018 and let Wright play in exchange for a reduced payment the next 2 years.
I'm also not looking past ownership banking on the ticket revenue from these last games either.
it's possible and Wight may be willing to endure the pain of playing for one last chance on the mound at the price of a few million dollars.
At the end of the day (channeling my inner Antrel Rolle) as a Mets fan it's irrelevant to me how he separated (retires and walks from the money, settles with the Mets/insurance company for less than the guarantees, or stays on the DL for two years, unless the Mets re-invest money into the payroll they will save from Wright.
So however they can separate and create new payroll flexibility that is my goal.
I'm sure if you were in his shoes you would say "here Mets you can keep the 87 million because it's best for the organization."
Where did I say all $87 million!?
Try for a year or two; collect half the remaining contract and then cut the franchise a break.
Don't collect $60 million of the $87 million, cry on TV about how you are medically "unfit" to play and then get ready to play in a farewell game.
All this while still implying the organization will be responsible for the last 2 years of the contract!
they will settle. He also says Wright's return costs the Mets 611k or something like that, I've read other people say a few million. Maybe it would be a few million if he didn't retire because the insurance wouldn't kick in again.
If he settles, this "last hurrah" costs Wright a lot of money, so people criticizing him maybe respect that a little.
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...The 35-year-old Wright, who last appeared in a game for the Mets on May 27, 2016, will be activated from the disabled list on Sept. 25, according to team COO Jeff Wilpon, and start at third base on Sept. 29, the final Saturday of the season. The Mets conclude their season the following day, after which the club is expected to reach an insurance settlement on the $27 million remaining on Wrights contract, through 2020.
With Wright on the disabled list, the Mets have recovered 75 percent of his salary. Wrights return will cost the club $641,711....
they will settle. He also says Wright's return costs the Mets 611k or something like that, I've read other people say a few million. Maybe it would be a few million if he didn't retire because the insurance wouldn't kick in again.
If he settles, this "last hurrah" costs Wright a lot of money, so people criticizing him maybe respect that a little.
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...The 35-year-old Wright, who last appeared in a game for the Mets on May 27, 2016, will be activated from the disabled list on Sept. 25, according to team COO Jeff Wilpon, and start at third base on Sept. 29, the final Saturday of the season. The Mets conclude their season the following day, after which the club is expected to reach an insurance settlement on the $27 million remaining on Wrights contract, through 2020.
With Wright on the disabled list, the Mets have recovered 75 percent of his salary. Wrights return will cost the club $641,711....
Sorry, not retire, but a few million if he didn't settle....
Is he going to be activated for the entire 6 game home-stand? Didn't he mention something about possibly facing a soft-throwing lefty? If so, that's going to sell seats as well.
Is he going to be activated for the entire 6 game home-stand? Didn't he mention something about possibly facing a soft-throwing lefty? If so, that's going to sell seats as well.
I believe he was joking about that, sort of self deprecation.
Not really. The belief is the agreement involves Wright giving back money owed in exchange for playing.
um ill take the money
Peter Alonso said he was told that not being called up was a "business decision, an organizational decision."
Hopefully this is the plan.
He last played May 27 2016
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Everything is pointing to Wright playing in the last homestand. Gotta admit, if the Wilpons allow it, thryll be basically forfeiting millions to throw the fans a bone which would be pretty cool. Hope it happens.
Not really. The belief is the agreement involves Wright giving back money owed in exchange for playing.
If Wright plays the last home stand, will his insurance give back be prorated by the number of games he is active on the 40 man roster? If so, it maybe 1 million or less forfeited by the Wilpons
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Peter Alonso said he was told that not being called up was a "business decision, an organizational decision."
I thought minor leaguers couldn't file a grievance since they're not in the "union"
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Everything is pointing to Wright playing in the last homestand. Gotta admit, if the Wilpons allow it, thryll be basically forfeiting millions to throw the fans a bone which would be pretty cool. Hope it happens.
Not really. The belief is the agreement involves Wright giving back money owed in exchange for playing.
If Wright plays the last home stand, will his insurance give back be prorated by the number of games he is active on the 40 man roster? If so, it maybe 1 million or less forfeited by the Wilpons
If Wright plays a single game his first 60 days of pay for 2019 lose insurance coverage aka instead of the Mets paying 25% of his 60 days salary the Mets would owe 100%. If he agrees to a buyout (as expected) this is all moot.
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Mets better hope Alonso doesn't file a grievance
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Peter Alonso said he was told that not being called up was a "business decision, an organizational decision."
I thought minor leaguers couldn't file a grievance since they're not in the "union"
MLB players union has already fired shots over this with the expectation a battle is coming.
"The possibility of a grievance filed at a future date on behalf of the prodigy Guerrero was raised last week after Sportsnet spoke to a member of the players association front office, who wished to remain anonymous. Those quotes raised the ire of Jays president Mark Shapiro."
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All around great player, great guy, great teammate
And congrats to Jay Horowitz - about time we see former greats being respected and not forgotten.
Problem with that is he would be doing that anyway so if there is some sort of agreement like that under the table it will never be made public.
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I am a Yankee fan but have respect for D Wright trying to make a comeback and if he does play, Ill go there and show him the respect he deserves.
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Laura Albanese @AlbaneseLaura
Peter Alonso said he was told that not being called up was a "business decision, an organizational decision."
I thought minor leaguers couldn't file a grievance since they're not in the "union"
MLB players union has already fired shots over this with the expectation a battle is coming.
"The possibility of a grievance filed at a future date on behalf of the prodigy Guerrero was raised last week after Sportsnet spoke to a member of the players association front office, who wished to remain anonymous. Those quotes raised the ire of Jays president Mark Shapiro."
I see. So technically Alonso can't file a grievance, but the MLBPA can file one sort of on his behalf?
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Dropped his errors from 19 to 9 this year. Only had 3 in Vegas in 60 games. At least it's progress. With the reports being that he's a hard worker I have a hard time believing he can't be marginal. Bruce basically picked up a glove for the first time in a decade and has been passable.
Speed and agility could prevent someone from being a plus defender, but just my opinion, defense is fixable to a passable level.
It's weird to see players get to upper minor leagues and not be able to play passable D (especially when for someone like Dom Smith (for example) defense was supposed to be a strength), but it's what I believe.
Jeff Wilpon has been waiting for this date. Thats why he kept Jose around all season.
If he wasn't blocking young players from getting AB's and valuable playing time would anyone really have a problem with someone who can play a lot of places on the diamond, steal a base, and once in a blue moon provide a decent at-bat?
No. He's a decent bench option. There are probably better, younger, options, but he's not a terrible bench guy. If he is a bench guy.
And if that's not good enough he's also still hitting under .200, with a .267 OBP.
Guillorme, Dom Smith, Mcneil all should have had his roster spot at various points in time this season. Same story last year with Cecchini. Wasting a spot on him at the expense of giving young guys time has been the easiest stupid decision the mets have made in the last few years.
What's done is done for this year. but I hope he can upgrade that roster spot in 2019. I expect that the new GM will go outside the organization but even TJ Rivera or Gavin Cecchini would very likely be a much better option than Reyes IMO.
He flat out said he'd be open to a minor league deal so...
Like I said he can be replaced with younger players, who are at least more proficient at one thing, but if he were limited in his AB's and PT I wouldn't have a major issue with him.
Heck, the Red Sox won the ALCS in 2004 because of a stolen base. The Mets could use even his old legs as a PR.
Like I said he can be replaced with younger players, who are at least more proficient at one thing, but if he were limited in his AB's and PT I wouldn't have a major issue with him.
Heck, the Red Sox won the ALCS in 2004 because of a stolen base. The Mets could use even his old legs as a PR.
Hopefully Reyes won't be back. I will give him credit, he kept at it and improved in the 2nd half. Still not to even mediocre major league level, but at least he wasn't the abject disaster he was in the first half.
As a 33 year old die-hard, both of these guys are right there with Piazza as all time favorites. Sad that their careers will end like this instead of joining Mike in the hall with Mets caps on (which seemed possible, even likely, back in '07)
LOL.
Yes and no because his presence is emblematic of the bigger issues that plague this franchise. Preferential treatment, lack of accountability, wasting valuable development resources (service time at the MLB level), and just all around useless, wasteful moves. Reyes hanging around again next year isn't important until his roster spot is standing in the way of next year's Jeff McNeil.
Really happy for Wright. I really hope this ends things on a high note for him and the organization. That will be 1 more good thing to potentially take from this season.
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if Reyes is gone I'm cool with it, if he's not, but he rarely plays and that's the biggest thing Mets fans have to worry about (Reyes' 40-man spot) in 2019 then I'm guessing the year is drastically different than this one and it's a huge success and I'm not going to worry about it.
Yes and no because his presence is emblematic of the bigger issues that plague this franchise. Preferential treatment, lack of accountability, wasting valuable development resources (service time at the MLB level), and just all around useless, wasteful moves. Reyes hanging around again next year isn't important until his roster spot is standing in the way of next year's Jeff McNeil.
I'd rather a veteran sit on the bench in Queens in a limited role that won't get consistent playing time, than a young developmental guy.
I hate calling guys up to sit on the bench, unless it's a AAA veteran, but young guys who need AB's and playing time. Nope. I don't see the value.
So if that the role and you have a better veteran who is cool with one start per week to ten days - like a Juan Uribe type - then sign them up otherwise I'm not going to fret over Reyes in that role. I can't speak for players but I wouldn't view that as favoritism.
Exactly - that's the main issue that needs to be fixed. Reyes' presence is a symptom of the bigger disease of mishandling young talent.
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if Reyes is gone I'm cool with it, if he's not, but he rarely plays and that's the biggest thing Mets fans have to worry about (Reyes' 40-man spot) in 2019 then I'm guessing the year is drastically different than this one and it's a huge success and I'm not going to worry about it.
Yes and no because his presence is emblematic of the bigger issues that plague this franchise. Preferential treatment, lack of accountability, wasting valuable development resources (service time at the MLB level), and just all around useless, wasteful moves. Reyes hanging around again next year isn't important until his roster spot is standing in the way of next year's Jeff McNeil.
I'd rather a veteran sit on the bench in Queens in a limited role that won't get consistent playing time, than a young developmental guy.
I hate calling guys up to sit on the bench, unless it's a AAA veteran, but young guys who need AB's and playing time. Nope. I don't see the value.
So if that the role and you have a better veteran who is cool with one start per week to ten days - like a Juan Uribe type - then sign them up otherwise I'm not going to fret over Reyes in that role. I can't speak for players but I wouldn't view that as favoritism.
Reyes started 15/20 games in July. He hit .180.
Jeff Mcneil got his first start July 26th after hitting almost .400 in Vegas.
Luis Guillorme likeliest MLB role is as a backup defensive MI. At this moment his MLB batting average is 10 points higher than Reyes'. He was basically banished for the season after a single defensive miscue whereas Reyes remained. He even hit .304 in Vegas this year.
I agree with your comment in theory, bringing up someone like Alonso to sit on the bench doesn't make sense. But that's not the argument as it relates to Reyes. He is a bad bench player and he blocks younger players of all types with his presence on the 40 man alone.
This has all the makings of a retirement announcement, but nowhere is it indicated as such.
This is such a fucking weird press conference.
IMO it has to either be a veteran who is past their prime or a prospect who has plateaued and doesn't need playing time to develop and sitting on the bench at the major league level makes more sense than playing him.
Once you check those boxes suggest a name. Every team has veteran bench guys.
This has all the makings of a retirement announcement, but nowhere is it indicated as such.
This is such a fucking weird press conference.
Kind of sorta...said everything the doctors are saying is that the Mets last homestand will be it for him, his body will not cooperate with continuing to play after this. They haven't said anything about a buy-out but it's clear his time playing professional baseball is over after this season.
Is it a psychological thing, can he not come to grips with his future?
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David Wright says he is finished with baseball after this last homestand.
How is it 'milking' if he can't play?
IMO it has to either be a veteran who is past their prime or a prospect who has plateaued and doesn't need playing time to develop and sitting on the bench at the major league level makes more sense than playing him.
Once you check those boxes suggest a name. Every team has veteran bench guys.
And like I said from the beginning, if Jose Reyes is the best the next GM can do for next year in any role it is a failed litmus test in my eyes. I just don't see how it's possible to find a worse use of a 40 man spot. I have no issue with him rostering veterans who can help the team win or young players to develop. I do have an issue if he's going to roster crappy players who simultaneously don't help the team win and block young players.
It's weird he hasn't said the word retirement. just like Fidlder, who will spend 4 years on the 60-day DL.
I'm quite certain they used this activation to force him to the table on a buyout. This activation was their leverage to get to a settlement. Not saying it's wrong, just don't think it's quite accurate to portray their gesture purely benevolent.
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Good for Wright for not milking this anymore. Good for the Mets for activating him and giving one last hoorah to the fans.
I'm quite certain they used this activation to force him to the table on a buyout. This activation was their leverage to get to a settlement. Not saying it's wrong, just don't think it's quite accurate to portray their gesture purely benevolent.
I doubt that. My gut tells me Wright was planning on this for some time now and the homestand has nothing to do with it. Maybe they did discuss the money theyd have to pay from the insurance when discussing his buyout terms but this is best for the Mets too. Of course the Mets would love to have a weekend like this to finish out a dreary year.
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Reyes should not be starting. So once we get past that it's a role that doesn't get much playing time.
IMO it has to either be a veteran who is past their prime or a prospect who has plateaued and doesn't need playing time to develop and sitting on the bench at the major league level makes more sense than playing him.
Once you check those boxes suggest a name. Every team has veteran bench guys.
And like I said from the beginning, if Jose Reyes is the best the next GM can do for next year in any role it is a failed litmus test in my eyes. I just don't see how it's possible to find a worse use of a 40 man spot. I have no issue with him rostering veterans who can help the team win or young players to develop. I do have an issue if he's going to roster crappy players who simultaneously don't help the team win and block young players.
I get it, and that's your opinion which is fine.
I will not use Reyes as a litmus test for the next GM. If he's gone, great, they will undoubtedly get someone to fill that role.
My litmus test for the next GM will be how they handle:
Bullpen
Catcher
Bruce/Frazier
Free agency in general
Rule V
Under the radar moves/reclamation projects that may not pay off current year, but could have upside down the road (Rich Hill type players).
the 24th man on the roster is not my litmus test for the GM whether it's Reyes or not.
Regardless, if he's on the roster Reyes should not get significant playing time.
It's weird he hasn't said the word retirement. just like Fidlder, who will spend 4 years on the 60-day DL.
That's what it seems like to me. It's not in either party's economic interest to do a buyout when the insurance covers so much of his contract. (Even with the reset on part of next season due to being activated now).
Because the next logical step is to retire...which he should have done 2 years ago. This step isn't happening!
No one, over the past 2 years, believed Wright would be in ANY team's future. Clearly, this path has been used to collected as much salary as possible.
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How is it 'milking' if he can't play?
Because the next logical step is to retire...which he should have done 2 years ago. This step isn't happening!
No one, over the past 2 years, believed Wright would be in ANY team's future. Clearly, this path has been used to collected as much salary as possible.
Retiring would be Wright's decision, unless I'm missing something. Why would he give up money he's owed?
This I can see.
Because it's predicated on him playing or the expectation of him playing. Neither is happening nor has either happened in 2+ years.
Wright has to do nothing to get that money.
Like Prince Fielder, who doctors said cannot play baseball again, Wright's language today sounded similar.
He said "doctors told him his body will not recover enough to allow him to play again".
Fielder didn't settle, and he too had insurance on his contract. He's just on the 60 day DL until his contract is up.
Wright may opt to settle for whatever reason, but he contractually does not have to and the Mets (with the insurance company) owe him every cent of his contract.
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Retiring would be Wright's decision, unless I'm missing something. Why would he give up money he's owed?
Because it's predicated on him playing or the expectation of him playing. Neither is happening nor has either happened in 2+ years.
He has continued to try to play... it's his desire to play..
Unfortunately injury which was exacerbated by his job prevents him from playing. That's his employers liability, not his.
Wright has to do nothing to get that money.
If he retires at the end of the 2018 season, he gets the rest of his contracted salary.
So, why not just retire? Why is he hanging around the organization as a player?
Sounds pretty clear he is NOT retiring.
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If Wright officially retired, he would be giving up the money owed to him through 2020. If he is declared medically unable to play -- which sounds like the case -- it's far more complicated and the parties probably will work something out money-wise.
Sounds pretty clear he is NOT retiring.
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Yes, he is not retiring because he wants his money. He's been doing this "comeback" for his money.
He will have effectively collected 5 years of salary...$87 million, and contributed nothing to this franchise during that time period.
As a Mets and Wright fan, I have a hard time believing this "love for baseball" comeback. The contract is not guaranteed in that he can't just sit on his hands for 5 years and still collect. He had to make a good faith effort to comeback.
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All around great player, great guy, great teammate
And congrats to Jay Horowitz - about time we see former greats being respected and not forgotten.
It was all right in front of your eyes, for days lol
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Frees up a roster spot this offseason and eliminates All the nonsense. If...
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if he retires he walks from his money. Players do it, but it's rare. Gil Meche was one I remember, he walked from like $12M guaranteed $$.
Sounds pretty clear he is NOT retiring.
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Yes, he is not retiring because he wants his money. He's been doing this "comeback" for his money.
He will have effectively collected 5 years of salary...$87 million, and contributed nothing to this franchise during that time period.
As a Mets and Wright fan, I have a hard time believing this "love for baseball" comeback. The contract is not guaranteed in that he can't just sit on his hands for 5 years and still collect. He had to make a good faith effort to comeback.
With all the explanations given, I'm not sure how you're getting this completely wrong, but you have this completely wrong.
He can sit on his hands and collect his money. He could've started doing that some time ago. He wanted to play.
Call it sitting on your hands or not, he's got guaranteed money owed to him, why would he say forget it, keep it.
And you can question Wright's desire to come back all you want, I'm not prepared to do that. I tend to believe Wright 100% wants to come back and play. If you want to sensationalize it with phrases like love of the game or mock them go right ahead, but then you're sort of suggesting Wright doesn't want to come back and play, he'd rather "sit on his hands" and just collect a paycheck.
You have every right to pretend you know that, I will not make those claims. Nor do I believe them to be true.
Call it sitting on your hands or not, he's got guaranteed money owed to him, why would he say forget it, keep it.
And you can question Wright's desire to come back all you want, I'm not prepared to do that. I tend to believe Wright 100% wants to come back and play. If you want to sensationalize it with phrases like love of the game or mock them go right ahead, but then you're sort of suggesting Wright doesn't want to come back and play, he'd rather "sit on his hands" and just collect a paycheck.
You have every right to pretend you know that, I will not make those claims. Nor do I believe them to be true.
Because if he "bleeds" orange and blue, at some point he has to realize the franchise is suffering being locked into his enormous contract. Again, 5 years/ $87 million which resulted in zero production. I'm also not blaming Wright, as the lack of production is from a medical condition; but why is he holding the franchise and fans hostage?
And this is not an outrageous statement since baseball, as a whole, is getting away from these long term contracts as a result.
So if anyone is holding anyone else hostage it's the Mets ownership by not reinvesting those funds in the payroll.
if the three parties (the Mets, the insurance company, and Wright) decide to reach a settlement they very well could, but the only one who stands to lose in that situation is Wright (and the fans - b/c if they settle it probably means the exact same thing and the savings will not go back into the team).
Maybe Wright's desire to get on the field one more time, and the financial impact of that desire to the Mets, motivates him to settle, but only Wright of the 3 parties has anything to lose by settling this.
So if anyone is holding anyone else hostage it's the Mets ownership by not reinvesting those funds in the payroll.
I don't see it that way because the owners have to pay an expensive premium on that policy which is completely separate from the contract. If owners want to protect themselves, that's their business. The fans don't care about insurance policies...they just want players signed, nor do fans want premiums factored into payroll calculations in order to boost payroll figures. I'm not against either stance, but you can't mix the two.
But this topic is really separate from my original point...
My guess is he will be medically declared unfit after these three games to end the season.
Makes zero sense to me.
Makes zero sense to me.
Yeah I dont get that either. That would be mighty generous of the insurance company to buy that.
Makes zero sense to me.
Just my guess, he'll play these three games to end the season, get examined by the doctors after the games, and they'll say the conditioned has either worsened or not improved, his pain level and preparation requirements too high and post 2018 season they'll declare him medically unfit.
again, that's just a guess based on what the beat writers and reporters are saying.
then there won't be any guesswork, he'll just be on the 60-DL the next two years.
Or he could reach a settlement and completely sever ties, but I think it would be the former, not the latter.
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declared his condition will not improve and therefore he cannot play major league baseball.
Call it sitting on your hands or not, he's got guaranteed money owed to him, why would he say forget it, keep it.
And you can question Wright's desire to come back all you want, I'm not prepared to do that. I tend to believe Wright 100% wants to come back and play. If you want to sensationalize it with phrases like love of the game or mock them go right ahead, but then you're sort of suggesting Wright doesn't want to come back and play, he'd rather "sit on his hands" and just collect a paycheck.
You have every right to pretend you know that, I will not make those claims. Nor do I believe them to be true.
Because if he "bleeds" orange and blue, at some point he has to realize the franchise is suffering being locked into his enormous contract. Again, 5 years/ $87 million which resulted in zero production. I'm also not blaming Wright, as the lack of production is from a medical condition; but why is he holding the franchise and fans hostage?
And this is not an outrageous statement since baseball, as a whole, is getting away from these long term contracts as a result.
I'm sure if you were in his shoes you would say "here Mets you can keep the 87 million because it's best for the organization."
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but he's playing in 2 weeks.
Makes zero sense to me.
Just my guess, he'll play these three games to end the season, get examined by the doctors after the games, and they'll say the conditioned has either worsened or not improved, his pain level and preparation requirements too high and post 2018 season they'll declare him medically unfit.
again, that's just a guess based on what the beat writers and reporters are saying.
then there won't be any guesswork, he'll just be on the 60-DL the next two years.
Or he could reach a settlement and completely sever ties, but I think it would be the former, not the latter.
This
We get it, Wright can't play due to health reasons and this is his last hooray; his goodbye.
The insurance company isn't stupid. They have to be on-board with this.
Most likely, insurance agrees to pay out the full policy for 2018 and let Wright play in exchange for a reduced payment the next 2 years.
I'm also not looking past ownership banking on the ticket revenue from these last games either.
We get it, Wright can't play due to health reasons and this is his last hooray; his goodbye.
The insurance company isn't stupid. They have to be on-board with this.
Most likely, insurance agrees to pay out the full policy for 2018 and let Wright play in exchange for a reduced payment the next 2 years.
I'm also not looking past ownership banking on the ticket revenue from these last games either.
it's possible and Wight may be willing to endure the pain of playing for one last chance on the mound at the price of a few million dollars.
At the end of the day (channeling my inner Antrel Rolle) as a Mets fan it's irrelevant to me how he separated (retires and walks from the money, settles with the Mets/insurance company for less than the guarantees, or stays on the DL for two years, unless the Mets re-invest money into the payroll they will save from Wright.
So however they can separate and create new payroll flexibility that is my goal.
Where did I say all $87 million!?
Try for a year or two; collect half the remaining contract and then cut the franchise a break.
Don't collect $60 million of the $87 million, cry on TV about how you are medically "unfit" to play and then get ready to play in a farewell game.
All this while still implying the organization will be responsible for the last 2 years of the contract!
If he settles, this "last hurrah" costs Wright a lot of money, so people criticizing him maybe respect that a little.
With Wright on the disabled list, the Mets have recovered 75 percent of his salary. Wrights return will cost the club $641,711....
If he settles, this "last hurrah" costs Wright a lot of money, so people criticizing him maybe respect that a little.
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...The 35-year-old Wright, who last appeared in a game for the Mets on May 27, 2016, will be activated from the disabled list on Sept. 25, according to team COO Jeff Wilpon, and start at third base on Sept. 29, the final Saturday of the season. The Mets conclude their season the following day, after which the club is expected to reach an insurance settlement on the $27 million remaining on Wrights contract, through 2020.
With Wright on the disabled list, the Mets have recovered 75 percent of his salary. Wrights return will cost the club $641,711....
Sorry, not retire, but a few million if he didn't settle....
Is he going to be activated for the entire 6 game home-stand? Didn't he mention something about possibly facing a soft-throwing lefty? If so, that's going to sell seats as well.
Is he going to be activated for the entire 6 game home-stand? Didn't he mention something about possibly facing a soft-throwing lefty? If so, that's going to sell seats as well.
I believe he was joking about that, sort of self deprecation.