I listen to the Simms and Lefkoe podcast fairly often and this morning they were going through their notes on each game from week 1. Chris Simms is usually pretty good with his observations and had mostly good things to say about the Giants offense:
*Said Beckham was used in more different ways on Sunday than he has been over the past 4 years (exaggeration obviously but you get the point). Shurmur looks for ways to get Beckham open vs McAdoo who just had Beckham line up and expect him to get open on his own.
*Solder and Hernandez were both every bit as bad as Flowers if not worse, but no one wants to talk about it because Flowers is easy to dump on. Said Solder is historically a slow starter though and he expects him to get better as the season progresses.
(Hernandez himself said he did not play well. Did not react as quickly as he is used to and got sloppy with his technique as a result.)
*Eli missed some big opportunities because he was looking at the pass rush instead. He worries about Eli this season and says when you play elite teams like the Jaguars, there are certain plays in the game that can turn it in your favor and you have to hit on them. These were handed to the Giants and they didn't capitalize on them.
*Giants lost this one but their offense looks so much better than it did in the past. People need to focus less on the fact that the Giants lost and give the Jaguars the credit they deserve as a top defense. The arrow is pointing way up for the Giants.
big if as we all know.
Once they work Barkley more into the passing game - it really should be exciting.
I dont even blame Eli for this but he has David Carr Syndrome. He is missing guys who are wide open down the field because of perceived pressure. Again, this is a result of being under ACTUAL pressure for the better part of 50+ games - who can blame him?
Until the O-line gives him a reasonably consistent pocket, this will continue to be a problem.
Once they work Barkley more into the passing game - it really should be exciting.
Especially during this 1-2 year rebuild
And many more
That's what running and clock management are for. I mean. I get it, if you move ahead_ in score, on the last drive, it gives other team less time to recover. But.
Use up the clock, run the ball, with an even small lead and you avoid laying it all on one or two plays.
Additionally. It probably helps if the move the chains wrs (Shepard's) are told so, and the break the game wrs ( Beck's, EE and barkely?) Know that as well. So the move the chains players use the greater %ages (catch with a fall down if needed) whereas with the 'break the game' players you expect higher risk (longer plays but with lower %ages) and build that in to game planning.
big if as we all know.
The oline will have settled in (gelled)
Injured players have either healed or gotten use to playing with an injury
Eli will have a better rapport with his receivers and their routes
D will be more game ready and conditioned.
By then we will know who this Giants team is.
The oline will have settled in (gelled)
Injured players have either healed or gotten use to playing with an injury
Eli will have a better rapport with his receivers and their routes
D will be more game ready and conditioned.
By then we will know who this Giants team is.
Parcells (and I believe TC as well, though not sure) always said it takes around 4 games to see what you really have
I dont even blame Eli for this but he has David Carr Syndrome. He is missing guys who are wide open down the field because of perceived pressure. Again, this is a result of being under ACTUAL pressure for the better part of 50+ games - who can blame him?
Until the O-line gives him a reasonably consistent pocket, this will continue to be a problem.
Not sure it's a syndrome, but the right thing to do with this jailbreak oline.
He only has time to look for long developing passes on max protect (even then) or he did have time on playactions.
especially that when you play good teams, and you make the right play call, whether it be against an all out blitz or whatever it is... you have to hit-- if you dont you get FGs and lose. you arent going to march up and down on the jags all day.
Left side of line was not good.
his only observation missed was the absence of chipping the ends to give some help (and then releasing as yeldon did once against us)
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especially the 3rd bullet about Eli worrying about the pressure and checking down too early.
I dont even blame Eli for this but he has David Carr Syndrome. He is missing guys who are wide open down the field because of perceived pressure. Again, this is a result of being under ACTUAL pressure for the better part of 50+ games - who can blame him?
Until the O-line gives him a reasonably consistent pocket, this will continue to be a problem.
Not sure it's a syndrome, but the right thing to do with this jailbreak oline.
He only has time to look for long developing passes on max protect (even then) or he did have time on playactions.
.....or, he can occasionally take a hit and deliver a pass. If Eli isn’t capable of taking 2-3 hits a game while ensuring the ball gets there he is not the man for the job and we’re in trouble. He left a few plays on the field last game that could have been the difference. That ball to Beckham down the left sideline could have easily been a touchdown if he led him instead of throwing at his ankles. Did other players leave plays on the field? Yes. But as we know in football, the man under center is extremely important. Its time for Eli to win some games for us.
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especially the 3rd bullet about Eli worrying about the pressure and checking down too early.
I dont even blame Eli for this but he has David Carr Syndrome. He is missing guys who are wide open down the field because of perceived pressure. Again, this is a result of being under ACTUAL pressure for the better part of 50+ games - who can blame him?
Until the O-line gives him a reasonably consistent pocket, this will continue to be a problem.
Not sure it's a syndrome, but the right thing to do with this jailbreak oline.
He only has time to look for long developing passes on max protect (even then) or he did have time on playactions.
.....or, he can occasionally take a hit and deliver a pass. If Eli isn’t capable of taking 2-3 hits a game while ensuring the ball gets there he is not the man for the job and we’re in trouble. He left a few plays on the field last game that could have been the difference. That ball to Beckham down the left sideline could have easily been a touchdown if he led him instead of throwing at his ankles. Did other players leave plays on the field? Yes. But as we know in football, the man under center is extremely important. Its time for Eli to win some games for us.
If it were only 2-3 hits, that would be reasonably consistent pocket but you are VASTLY underestimating how many hits he takes and how many more he WOULD take if he held onto the ball longer. It is definitely in the double digits and is not tenable.
I call it a syndrome because sometimes he gets rid of it before he needs to because he is so programmed to only have time for one read. That wasnt always the case and ANY quarterback in his situation over the last 3 years would have the same problem.
We did not have it week 1 or for the last 4 years.
The offense play design was leaps and bounds better than what we saw from McAd’oh.
Eli missed two throws to OBJ fo TDs. No excuses there, he needs to make those throws.
Engram had some drops, just like Eli needs to make he throws, the receivers have to make the catches.
Most NFL games come down to a few key plays. That’s why burning a TO to start the half or a phantom OPI or no call DPI or failing to gain a yard on third and one or a dropped pass or a missed throw or - let’s not forget the D - a missed contain assignment, failing to set the edge, or, in the Giants case last Sunday, all of the above, can swing a game.
So true. The QB yips hit Dave Brown as hard as anybody I've ever seen. That guy was petrified.
And you can't turn that on and off depending on the quality of the opponent's pass rush.
Could be due to Barkley, but has OBJ ever caught 11+ passes for MacDoofus?
The surprise for me was the improvements on defense. Without Vernon and with a lot of new pieces and a new scheme, the defense held a better than average offense to 13 points. I am hopeful the defense can continue to improve... they have been an absolute train wreck level disaster 2 out of the last 3 seasons.
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about McAdoo - he did nothing to help any WR's get open. Very little motion, very few bunch formations or rub routes, and everything was geared to getting Odell open on a slant route. He really had a HS level of play design.
Could be due to Barkley, but has OBJ ever caught 11+ passes for MacDoofus?
Yes, as both OC and HC. Games with 10+ catches:
12 - Wash 2014
12 - Phi 2014
11 - Ten 2014
11 - Phi 2016
11 - Jax 2018
10 - Dal 2014
10 - Cin 2016
10 - Pit 2016
Lots of talk about that in the offseason, but haven't seen any concrete benefits (i.e. wins) of it yet.
And many are (IMO, rightfully) pissed about not having Beckham back for the final PR.
Once they work Barkley more into the passing game - it really should be exciting.
Definitely agree but the O-line needs to be at least adequate to really open things up, so far not so much.
This game won't be a cakewalk either, unless Ereck Flowers manages to make (legal) contact with Demarcus Lawrence from time to time.
BTW, I was hoping to pick a qb in an effort to rebuild.
Yes it's neat to see him be used in different ways than he might have done before but to what end? He was already great, and he was already making the offense around him better by virtue of his effect on the game.
big if as we all know.
Absolutely, it would be great to see this Offense in ATTACK mode, I am just so tired of seeing them play back on their heels and not dictating the action!
big if as we all know.
Absolutely, it would be great to see this Offense in ATTACK mode, I am just so tired of seeing them play back on their heels and not dictating the action!
Yes it's neat to see him be used in different ways than he might have done before but to what end? He was already great, and he was already making the offense around him better by virtue of his effect on the game.
Are you being obtuse on purpose?
Youre right. I forgot how productive and unpredictable the offense was under McAdoo. Really moved the ball well and scored a lot of points.
Good grief...you put a damper on everything. Sometimes I wonder if youre a real person or a stuffed donkey who can never find his tail.
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To be discussed. He produced like a top 3 WR while McAdoo was here. On multiple occasions he won games for us. He was a complete monster.
Yes it's neat to see him be used in different ways than he might have done before but to what end? He was already great, and he was already making the offense around him better by virtue of his effect on the game.
Are you being obtuse on purpose?
Youre right. I forgot how productive and unpredictable the offense was under McAdoo. Really moved the ball well and scored a lot of points.
Good grief...you put a damper on everything. Sometimes I wonder if youre a real person or a stuffed donkey who can never find his tail.
My point was pretty clear. Tee off on McAdoo all you want. But the idea that he somehow misused Beckham is without merit. There are plenty of things to kill the guy about without fabricating one.
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To be discussed. He produced like a top 3 WR while McAdoo was here. On multiple occasions he won games for us. He was a complete monster.
Yes it's neat to see him be used in different ways than he might have done before but to what end? He was already great, and he was already making the offense around him better by virtue of his effect on the game.
Are you being obtuse on purpose?
Youre right. I forgot how productive and unpredictable the offense was under McAdoo. Really moved the ball well and scored a lot of points.
Good grief...you put a damper on everything. Sometimes I wonder if youre a real person or a stuffed donkey who can never find his tail.
My point was pretty clear. Tee off on McAdoo all you want. But the idea that he somehow misused Beckham is without merit. There are plenty of things to kill the guy about without fabricating one.
The only one fabricating anything is you. No one said anything about McAdoo “misusing” Beckham. He was just pointing out how refreshing it was to see Beckham used more creatively and to see him benefit from it the way players like Antonio Brown do. I’m not sure why something like that isnt worthy of discussion to a football fan. Unless of course that fan is less interested in discussion and more interested in finding ways to create an argument with people.