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BestFeature : 9/13/2018 10:03 am
Particularly Barkley and Shurmur. Looks like these calls were good and Barkley was close to breaking a few more if not for great plays by the Jaguars' D and some mess ups in the secondary. We won't play this D every week, so a lot to look forward too. And as I said sounds like great play design.
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I donít care if we play this kind of D every week.  
Big Blue '56 : 9/13/2018 10:05 am : link
We did ok and easily could have won
That was  
ryanmkeane : 9/13/2018 10:11 am : link
a really good breakdown.
...  
Capt. Don : 9/13/2018 10:11 am : link
BB56 mentioned this a few weeks ago and I almost started a new thread on it but Dan Schneier is a must follow.

Other beat writers should take notes.
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joeinpa : 9/13/2018 10:11 am : link
I agree, they easily could have won. That they couldn't make the winning plays is what is so disappointing and discouraging about this loss.

The Jags were 10-6 last year, not 16-0. They were shut out in second haldyand very beatable
I am very encouraged, and I don't get all the doom and gloom  
PatersonPlank : 9/13/2018 10:15 am : link
(although I did expect it on BBI)

We played toe-to-toe with the team that should have been in the SB last year. We could've have won yes, but we just missed a couple of chances. Ok so what, overall we played much better than last year. If we can play that type of game week in and week out we will make the playoffs. most teams will not have the defense and running game of Jax.

Lets see if I'm right starting in Dallas.
For me Barkley the only difference  
gmenatlarge : 9/13/2018 10:22 am : link
from last year, OBJ great as usual, O-line sucked as usual, D was OK. Fournette loss was huge and only reason game was close:

1st half with Fournette Jax ) punts

2nd half w/o Fournette punted every possession

If the O-line improves I will be more hopeful, but if it doesn't we are in for another year of misery.
RE: For me Barkley the only difference  
gmenatlarge : 9/13/2018 10:28 am : link
In comment 14073637 gmenatlarge said:
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from last year, OBJ great as usual, O-line sucked as usual, D was OK. Fournette loss was huge and only reason game was close:

1st half with Fournette Jax ) punts

2nd half w/o Fournette punted every possession

If the O-line improves I will be more hopeful, but if it doesn't we are in for another year of misery.


Should have been 0 punts first half
RE: For me Barkley the only difference  
BestFeature : 9/13/2018 10:29 am : link
In comment 14073637 gmenatlarge said:
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from last year, OBJ great as usual, O-line sucked as usual, D was OK. Fournette loss was huge and only reason game was close:

1st half with Fournette Jax ) punts

2nd half w/o Fournette punted every possession

If the O-line improves I will be more hopeful, but if it doesn't we are in for another year of misery.


Once again, what if we had Vernon? Once again, they had their best drive with Yeldin. You have absolutely no clue what would have happened with Fournette. The Giants clearly made adjustments in the second half. GTFO with your incessant negativity.
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gmenatlarge : 9/13/2018 10:41 am : link
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from last year, OBJ great as usual, O-line sucked as usual, D was OK. Fournette loss was huge and only reason game was close:

1st half with Fournette Jax ) punts

2nd half w/o Fournette punted every possession

If the O-line improves I will be more hopeful, but if it doesn't we are in for another year of misery.



Once again, what if we had Vernon? Once again, they had their best drive with Yeldin. You have absolutely no clue what would have happened with Fournette. The Giants clearly made adjustments in the second half. GTFO with your incessant negativity.


I am sorry reality is so hard for you to handle. Is a gtfo really necessary, keep it civil.
Would Ben MacaDoop  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 9/13/2018 10:42 am : link
Have only lost by 5 against that star studded D?
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BestFeature : 9/13/2018 10:48 am : link
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from last year, OBJ great as usual, O-line sucked as usual, D was OK. Fournette loss was huge and only reason game was close:

1st half with Fournette Jax ) punts

2nd half w/o Fournette punted every possession

If the O-line improves I will be more hopeful, but if it doesn't we are in for another year of misery.



Once again, what if we had Vernon? Once again, they had their best drive with Yeldin. You have absolutely no clue what would have happened with Fournette. The Giants clearly made adjustments in the second half. GTFO with your incessant negativity.



I am sorry reality is so hard for you to handle. Is a gtfo really necessary, keep it civil.


What reality? You have absolutely zero idea what would have happened with Fournette. They had their best drive with Yeldin and clearly, the Giants made adjustments in the second half. You choose to take the most negative interpretation of what happened. That has been going on for months here. And you somehow forget that one of our best defensive players was out of the game. If you want to take the absolutely most negative interpretation of what happened and disregard our injury and call it reality I won't just quietly accept that.
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gmenatlarge : 9/13/2018 10:55 am : link
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from last year, OBJ great as usual, O-line sucked as usual, D was OK. Fournette loss was huge and only reason game was close:

1st half with Fournette Jax ) punts

2nd half w/o Fournette punted every possession

If the O-line improves I will be more hopeful, but if it doesn't we are in for another year of misery.



Once again, what if we had Vernon? Once again, they had their best drive with Yeldin. You have absolutely no clue what would have happened with Fournette. The Giants clearly made adjustments in the second half. GTFO with your incessant negativity.



I am sorry reality is so hard for you to handle. Is a gtfo really necessary, keep it civil.



What reality? You have absolutely zero idea what would have happened with Fournette. They had their best drive with Yeldin and clearly, the Giants made adjustments in the second half. You choose to take the most negative interpretation of what happened. That has been going on for months here. And you somehow forget that one of our best defensive players was out of the game. If you want to take the absolutely most negative interpretation of what happened and disregard our injury and call it reality I won't just quietly accept that.


Uh, let's see I used facts and you use "what ifs" with Fournette 0 punts w/o Fournette punted every time. To use Vernon as an excuse is just lame, it's the NFL if you can't overcome injuries you're not gonna be successful! The O-line sucked and they only scored 15 points, how is that any different from last year. And if they don't improve and quickly they are going to have a hard time in dallas and if they lose that...well Houston is next. So take off the rose-colored glasses Pollyanna and look at what is right in front of you!
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BestFeature : 9/13/2018 11:03 am : link
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from last year, OBJ great as usual, O-line sucked as usual, D was OK. Fournette loss was huge and only reason game was close:

1st half with Fournette Jax ) punts

2nd half w/o Fournette punted every possession

If the O-line improves I will be more hopeful, but if it doesn't we are in for another year of misery.



Once again, what if we had Vernon? Once again, they had their best drive with Yeldin. You have absolutely no clue what would have happened with Fournette. The Giants clearly made adjustments in the second half. GTFO with your incessant negativity.



I am sorry reality is so hard for you to handle. Is a gtfo really necessary, keep it civil.



What reality? You have absolutely zero idea what would have happened with Fournette. They had their best drive with Yeldin and clearly, the Giants made adjustments in the second half. You choose to take the most negative interpretation of what happened. That has been going on for months here. And you somehow forget that one of our best defensive players was out of the game. If you want to take the absolutely most negative interpretation of what happened and disregard our injury and call it reality I won't just quietly accept that.



Uh, let's see I used facts and you use "what ifs" with Fournette 0 punts w/o Fournette punted every time. To use Vernon as an excuse is just lame, it's the NFL if you can't overcome injuries you're not gonna be successful! The O-line sucked and they only scored 15 points, how is that any different from last year. And if they don't improve and quickly they are going to have a hard time in dallas and if they lose that...well Houston is next. So take off the rose-colored glasses Pollyanna and look at what is right in front of you!


Are you serious now? Think about what you wrote here. You're basically saying, the only reason the game was close was Fournette's injury but I can't use Vernon's injury as an excuse. Do you not understand the blatant inconsistency there? You can use Fournette's injury but I can't use Vernon's injury. Did you at any point when writing that not realize the inconsistency of that stance?
What I take from that is  
GIANTS128 : 9/13/2018 11:10 am : link
there were 2 plays that Eli should have audibled out of the run play and thrown a slant to OBJ. On the redzone play it was an easy touchdown. On the other play it would have gone for a huge gain and likely a touchdown.
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nygiants16 : 9/13/2018 11:26 am : link
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from last year, OBJ great as usual, O-line sucked as usual, D was OK. Fournette loss was huge and only reason game was close:

1st half with Fournette Jax ) punts

2nd half w/o Fournette punted every possession

If the O-line improves I will be more hopeful, but if it doesn't we are in for another year of misery.



Once again, what if we had Vernon? Once again, they had their best drive with Yeldin. You have absolutely no clue what would have happened with Fournette. The Giants clearly made adjustments in the second half. GTFO with your incessant negativity.



I am sorry reality is so hard for you to handle. Is a gtfo really necessary, keep it civil.



What reality? You have absolutely zero idea what would have happened with Fournette. They had their best drive with Yeldin and clearly, the Giants made adjustments in the second half. You choose to take the most negative interpretation of what happened. That has been going on for months here. And you somehow forget that one of our best defensive players was out of the game. If you want to take the absolutely most negative interpretation of what happened and disregard our injury and call it reality I won't just quietly accept that.



Uh, let's see I used facts and you use "what ifs" with Fournette 0 punts w/o Fournette punted every time. To use Vernon as an excuse is just lame, it's the NFL if you can't overcome injuries you're not gonna be successful! The O-line sucked and they only scored 15 points, how is that any different from last year. And if they don't improve and quickly they are going to have a hard time in dallas and if they lose that...well Houston is next. So take off the rose-colored glasses Pollyanna and look at what is right in front of you!


youbbn literally just contradicted yourself
BB56 is right. It's a game the Giants could easily have won. But...  
Blue21 : 9/13/2018 11:39 am : link
I'm tired of saying this game after game after game.
All 'could have won' means is the game wasn't a blow out  
UberAlias : 9/13/2018 12:10 pm : link
The differences in roster talent was apparent.
RE: BB56 is right. It's a game the Giants could easily have won. But...  
Jim in Tampa : 9/13/2018 12:12 pm : link
In comment 14073751 Blue21 said:
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I'm tired of saying this game after game after game.

And you could have added... "year after year".

The good teams find a way to win. The bad teams find a way to lose and then think, "we could have won that game if not for..."
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gmenatlarge : 9/13/2018 12:25 pm : link
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from last year, OBJ great as usual, O-line sucked as usual, D was OK. Fournette loss was huge and only reason game was close:

1st half with Fournette Jax ) punts

2nd half w/o Fournette punted every possession

If the O-line improves I will be more hopeful, but if it doesn't we are in for another year of misery.



Once again, what if we had Vernon? Once again, they had their best drive with Yeldin. You have absolutely no clue what would have happened with Fournette. The Giants clearly made adjustments in the second half. GTFO with your incessant negativity.



I am sorry reality is so hard for you to handle. Is a gtfo really necessary, keep it civil.



What reality? You have absolutely zero idea what would have happened with Fournette. They had their best drive with Yeldin and clearly, the Giants made adjustments in the second half. You choose to take the most negative interpretation of what happened. That has been going on for months here. And you somehow forget that one of our best defensive players was out of the game. If you want to take the absolutely most negative interpretation of what happened and disregard our injury and call it reality I won't just quietly accept that.



Uh, let's see I used facts and you use "what ifs" with Fournette 0 punts w/o Fournette punted every time. To use Vernon as an excuse is just lame, it's the NFL if you can't overcome injuries you're not gonna be successful! The O-line sucked and they only scored 15 points, how is that any different from last year. And if they don't improve and quickly they are going to have a hard time in dallas and if they lose that...well Houston is next. So take off the rose-colored glasses Pollyanna and look at what is right in front of you!



Are you serious now? Think about what you wrote here. You're basically saying, the only reason the game was close was Fournette's injury but I can't use Vernon's injury as an excuse. Do you not understand the blatant inconsistency there? You can use Fournette's injury but I can't use Vernon's injury. Did you at any point when writing that not realize the inconsistency of that stance?


Facts: Giants scored 15 points
OBJ was great
Giants O-line sucked
Giants lost

Forget Fournette because you seem unable to comprehend that he was in the game while Vernon was not. How are the above results any different than last year?
Honestly, I feel better after reading the analysis and watching ...  
Boy Cord : 9/13/2018 3:57 pm : link
... the videos.
BTW  
Leg of Theismann : 9/13/2018 4:12 pm : link
I still don't understand how the Jags got Ramsey and Jack in the same draft. A lot of experts had Ramsey rated as the top overall talent in the entire draft, had him going before the Jags, and had the Jags taking Jack in the first round. Instead they get Ramsey in the 1st AND THEN get Jack in the 2nd? Still can't believe how well that worked out for them and it is a huge reason why they are one of the league's top defenses.
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Leg of Theismann : 9/13/2018 4:20 pm : link
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Facts: Giants scored 15 points
OBJ was great
Giants O-line sucked
Giants lost

Forget Fournette because you seem unable to comprehend that he was in the game while Vernon was not. How are the above results any different than last year?


Oh dude come on. 10/13 losses last year were by more than 5 points. The difference is that the Giants usually would not come nearly that close to winning AND it was happening against teams not nearly as good as JAX.

If we convert that 2 point conversion, or if we got the DPI call on Shep on the last drive, or if Eli/Shep make that one play, or if Eli hit Beckham on one of those deep balls, we might have one the game. Literally just came up short by 1 or 2 plays against a team that almost beat the Pats in the AFCCG last year. You can't tell this is just same ol' same ol' 2017 McAcrap Giants from the JAX game alone.
Won* the game  
Leg of Theismann : 9/13/2018 4:21 pm : link
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RE: BTW  
Boy Cord : 9/13/2018 4:59 pm : link
In comment 14074153 Leg of Theismann said:
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I still don't understand how the Jags got Ramsey and Jack in the same draft. A lot of experts had Ramsey rated as the top overall talent in the entire draft, had him going before the Jags, and had the Jags taking Jack in the first round. Instead they get Ramsey in the 1st AND THEN get Jack in the 2nd? Still can't believe how well that worked out for them and it is a huge reason why they are one of the league's top defenses.


I think Jack had a major injury concern.
RE: RE: BB56 is right. It's a game the Giants could easily have won. But...  
micky : 9/13/2018 7:21 pm : link
In comment 14073785 Jim in Tampa said:
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I'm tired of saying this game after game after game.


And you could have added... "year after year".

The good teams find a way to win. The bad teams find a way to lose and then think, "we could have won that game if not for..."


Same bs mantra..only change is the calendar..
I guess Jacksonville injuries have impact  
UConn4523 : 9/13/2018 7:26 pm : link
and Giant injuries donít, got it.
RE: All 'could have won' means is the game wasn't a blow out  
BestFeature : 9/13/2018 11:43 pm : link
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The differences in roster talent was apparent.


Based on what? We had a higher TOP and total yards for the game. I don't see this huge difference in roster talent that was apparent in this game. Sounds like confirmation bias to me.
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BestFeature : 9/13/2018 11:57 pm : link
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from last year, OBJ great as usual, O-line sucked as usual, D was OK. Fournette loss was huge and only reason game was close:

1st half with Fournette Jax ) punts

2nd half w/o Fournette punted every possession

If the O-line improves I will be more hopeful, but if it doesn't we are in for another year of misery.



Once again, what if we had Vernon? Once again, they had their best drive with Yeldin. You have absolutely no clue what would have happened with Fournette. The Giants clearly made adjustments in the second half. GTFO with your incessant negativity.



I am sorry reality is so hard for you to handle. Is a gtfo really necessary, keep it civil.



What reality? You have absolutely zero idea what would have happened with Fournette. They had their best drive with Yeldin and clearly, the Giants made adjustments in the second half. You choose to take the most negative interpretation of what happened. That has been going on for months here. And you somehow forget that one of our best defensive players was out of the game. If you want to take the absolutely most negative interpretation of what happened and disregard our injury and call it reality I won't just quietly accept that.



Uh, let's see I used facts and you use "what ifs" with Fournette 0 punts w/o Fournette punted every time. To use Vernon as an excuse is just lame, it's the NFL if you can't overcome injuries you're not gonna be successful! The O-line sucked and they only scored 15 points, how is that any different from last year. And if they don't improve and quickly they are going to have a hard time in dallas and if they lose that...well Houston is next. So take off the rose-colored glasses Pollyanna and look at what is right in front of you!



Are you serious now? Think about what you wrote here. You're basically saying, the only reason the game was close was Fournette's injury but I can't use Vernon's injury as an excuse. Do you not understand the blatant inconsistency there? You can use Fournette's injury but I can't use Vernon's injury. Did you at any point when writing that not realize the inconsistency of that stance?



Facts: Giants scored 15 points
OBJ was great
Giants O-line sucked
Giants lost

Forget Fournette because you seem unable to comprehend that he was in the game while Vernon was not. How are the above results any different than last year?


I can comprehend logic, your post lacks logic. Vernon is a member of the 2018 New York Giants team. The only difference is that Vernon being out handicapped us for 4 quarters and Fournette being out handicapped the Jags for 2 quarters and change. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're being purposely obtuse in order to win an argument thinking that you can pull a fast on me.
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gmenatlarge : 9/14/2018 10:23 am : link
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from last year, OBJ great as usual, O-line sucked as usual, D was OK. Fournette loss was huge and only reason game was close:

1st half with Fournette Jax ) punts

2nd half w/o Fournette punted every possession

If the O-line improves I will be more hopeful, but if it doesn't we are in for another year of misery.



Once again, what if we had Vernon? Once again, they had their best drive with Yeldin. You have absolutely no clue what would have happened with Fournette. The Giants clearly made adjustments in the second half. GTFO with your incessant negativity.



I am sorry reality is so hard for you to handle. Is a gtfo really necessary, keep it civil.



What reality? You have absolutely zero idea what would have happened with Fournette. They had their best drive with Yeldin and clearly, the Giants made adjustments in the second half. You choose to take the most negative interpretation of what happened. That has been going on for months here. And you somehow forget that one of our best defensive players was out of the game. If you want to take the absolutely most negative interpretation of what happened and disregard our injury and call it reality I won't just quietly accept that.



Uh, let's see I used facts and you use "what ifs" with Fournette 0 punts w/o Fournette punted every time. To use Vernon as an excuse is just lame, it's the NFL if you can't overcome injuries you're not gonna be successful! The O-line sucked and they only scored 15 points, how is that any different from last year. And if they don't improve and quickly they are going to have a hard time in dallas and if they lose that...well Houston is next. So take off the rose-colored glasses Pollyanna and look at what is right in front of you!



Are you serious now? Think about what you wrote here. You're basically saying, the only reason the game was close was Fournette's injury but I can't use Vernon's injury as an excuse. Do you not understand the blatant inconsistency there? You can use Fournette's injury but I can't use Vernon's injury. Did you at any point when writing that not realize the inconsistency of that stance?



Facts: Giants scored 15 points
OBJ was great
Giants O-line sucked
Giants lost

Forget Fournette because you seem unable to comprehend that he was in the game while Vernon was not. How are the above results any different than last year?



I can comprehend logic, your post lacks logic. Vernon is a member of the 2018 New York Giants team. The only difference is that Vernon being out handicapped us for 4 quarters and Fournette being out handicapped the Jags for 2 quarters and change. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're being purposely obtuse in order to win an argument thinking that you can pull a fast on me.


I'm trying to pull a fast one on you, really that's your take...pretty sad, did you dispute any of my facts, uh NO!
The giants lost and to sit there and cry about Vernon being out is just weak BS! And this just in Vernon is no Fournette, at this point he is a slightly better than average DE.
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