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| A new lawsuit alleges that Michigan State University officials were made aware of a videotaped rape of an underage girl by Dr. Larry Nassar but covered it up, told a coach who reported it to resign, and stripped the victim of a scholarship. The federal suit, filed in Michigan Monday on behalf of Erika Davis of California and other plaintiffs whose names were not revealed, says Davis was given a pill by Nassar during an exam in the spring of 1992, when she was 17, and raped as a video camera captured the attack. Davis, a scholarship field hockey player at MSU who was referred to Nassar by her coach, told her coach what happened, and the coach in turn went to Nassar's office, demanded the video, and received it, according to the suit. But when she complained about the doctor to then-athletic director George Perles, "she was forced to return the video, resign and sign a non-disclosure agreement," the suit claims.. |
Yeah I don't get it.
Why did these people put themselves at risk for this guy?
Its not like the MSU athletic program would crumble if he was not there.
No he deserves far worse than he will receive.
If I'm a coach, and I report this and get this response, I don't see any way I actually comply with this, I think I'd probably call the police. I know it's hard to put ourselves in these situations looking back retrospectively, but it seems pretty clear and not very speculative.
I can't comprehend what is going through the coaches head when she reports a drugging, raping and video taping to the AD and he says give me the tape, you will resign and sign an NDA and pack your shit.
Just saying "ok" and complying with that and just leaving.
It's also amazing to me that not one campus leader or member of law enforcement put an end to this very early on or at any time over 20+ years. Unbelievable.
The bottom line is MSU did not want to sully their name and reputation with a sexual abuse scandal. Their instinct was the protect the institution. Despicable.
I am as livid I was with the pieces of shit at Penn State and Baylor and more recently, Ohio State and Maryland.
NCAA sports can curl up and die for all I care.
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at some point. Chomo's dont last long in prison
No he deserves far worse than he will receive.
Nassar is starting to get what he deserves and he will get more. However, there are numerous other individuals that played a role in the cover-up that haven't faced justice. The investigations need to continue and everyone with their hands in this need to be held accountable.
You said it. Intimidation.
This is not one of those times. This fucker deserved to be dragged out into the street and stoned to death by an angry mob.
This is not one of those times. This fucker deserved to be dragged out into the street and stoned to death by an angry mob.
Unfortunately they moved him to a high security prison just to keep this POS safe. should have left him in general population to fight for his life on a daily basis
There seems to be a giant hole in that story...
It's the only thing I can think of.
I didn't think it could get worse than Jerry Sandusky, but apparently it can.
It's the only thing I can think of.
I didn't think it could get worse than Jerry Sandusky, but apparently it can.
Well this instance was in the early 90's I believe, so it was easier to cover things up.
It's to hard to hide anything in the modern age. Transparency will rule supreme.
If I'm a coach, and I report this and get this response, I don't see any way I actually comply with this, I think I'd probably call the police. I know it's hard to put ourselves in these situations looking back retrospectively, but it seems pretty clear and not very speculative.
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But when she complained about the doctor to then-athletic director George Perles, "she was forced to return the video, resign and sign a non-disclosure agreement," the suit claims..
I can't comprehend what is going through the coaches head when she reports a drugging, raping and video taping to the AD and he says give me the tape, you will resign and sign an NDA and pack your shit.
Just saying "ok" and complying with that and just leaving.
This makes no sense to me.. At that point you have all of the leverage, unless the AD had leverage over the coach, which isn't out of the realm of possibility. Why else would you hand over the tape, and sign an NDA after being fired?
No doubt Nassar will burn in hell, but this just doesn't make sense.
Has Penn State suffered over the Sandusky scandal? Not nearly enough.
I'm not sure what's worse, the actual sexual assault or the slap on wrist for punishment.
Maybe in 30 years, Buzzfeed could do a picture slideshow of MSU, like they due for abandoned amusement parks, movie theaters, and Chernobyl.
The onus will be to prove that the allegations are true.
Now, I have no idea if they are true or not, but the story details don't seem to add up
Maybe in 30 years, Buzzfeed could do a picture slideshow of MSU, like they due for abandoned amusement parks, movie theaters, and Chernobyl.
No doubt Nassar will burn in hell, but this just doesn't make sense.
It doesn't say that the coach gave the tape to the girl. Just that the coach had it. It seems to me that Perles probably pressured the coach, perhaps with a payoff, and then the girl was left without anyone to back her story.
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and gives it to her and then AD George Perles tells her to give it back, fires the coach, makes her sign a NDS and takes away her scholarship???
No doubt Nassar will burn in hell, but this just doesn't make sense.
It doesn't say that the coach gave the tape to the girl. Just that the coach had it. It seems to me that Perles probably pressured the coach, perhaps with a payoff, and then the girl was left without anyone to back her story.
Yes it does. Read the last sentence in the OP...
If my daughter is claiming rape, I'm going straight to the police. Why are we letting Universities be responsible for these investigations?! Investigations that are conducted for the sole purpose of protecting the University's brand. The Catholic church did this for decades and it turned out very poorly for them.
If my daughter is claiming rape, I'm going straight to the police. Why are we letting Universities be responsible for these investigations?! Investigations that are conducted for the sole purpose of protecting the University's brand. The Catholic church did this for decades and it turned out very poorly for them.
I think this is part of the lesson learned by this disaster of a story... For a serious crime like rape, don't rely on your organization, whether its a Univ or Corporation to handle the investigation. Just go straight to the police.
Hindsight is 20/20, but that probably was a better course of action for the coach to take.
There seems to be a giant hole in that story...
Men tend to not grasp the power of intimidation and fear in these situations. Whenever these stories break, people (mostly men) respond with "why didn't she say something sooner? Why didn't she do this or that? This doesnt make sense, I would of gone to the police!"
You are a man, it's totally different.
This woman was probably intimidated and frightened into doing what was asked of her. It's likely that she kept silent for a time out of fear and/or embarrassment for complying with their request.
Let's see what else comes out of this.
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Universities to a higher standard? I mean, a fucking doctor of all people.
If my daughter is claiming rape, I'm going straight to the police. Why are we letting Universities be responsible for these investigations?! Investigations that are conducted for the sole purpose of protecting the University's brand. The Catholic church did this for decades and it turned out very poorly for them.
I think this is part of the lesson learned by this disaster of a story... For a serious crime like rape, don't rely on your organization, whether its a Univ or Corporation to handle the investigation. Just go straight to the police.
Hindsight is 20/20, but that probably was a better course of action for the coach to take.
The suit claims she went to the police and they referred her to the athletic director saying "drop it " and "he's a very powerful man"
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The coach had the decency to go demand the tape and then report it to the AD. What can possibly happen to then make her sign an NDA, resign and remain silent? How does she not walk out of there with the tape and go directly to the police to report it?
There seems to be a giant hole in that story...
Men tend to not grasp the power of intimidation and fear in these situations. Whenever these stories break, people (mostly men) respond with "why didn't she say something sooner? Why didn't she do this or that? This doesnt make sense, I would of gone to the police!"
You are a man, it's totally different.
This woman was probably intimidated and frightened into doing what was asked of her. It's likely that she kept silent for a time out of fear and/or embarrassment for complying with their request.
Let's see what else comes out of this.
I believe you are confusing the victim and the coach. Sure, the victim I believe was probably feeling all those things, shame, confusion, anger, fear, and any actions the victim did I would never question.
I'm talking about the coach who the victim came forward to, and who confronted the AD. Yes, she's a woman, but it's IMO misogynistic and stereotypical to claim the coach was intimidated or ashamed or confused (without knowing more facts).
Sure, you can use a buzzword and a typical media response and say it's main-splaining and men can't comprehend this - because I'm male and I have an opinion, but many women I've heard talk about this story feel the exact same way, the coach didn't do enough once the victim came forward.
to FMiC's point this is all a lawsuit so far, so until more facts come out no conclusions should be drawn, but that's the part of the story that seems infuriating (secondarily). Obviously the acts by Nasser are gruesome and the most sickening here, but the inaction, the coverups, and the silencing by others is infuriating too because it allowed the situation to continue and led to many more victims.
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The coach had the decency to go demand the tape and then report it to the AD. What can possibly happen to then make her sign an NDA, resign and remain silent? How does she not walk out of there with the tape and go directly to the police to report it?
There seems to be a giant hole in that story...
Men tend to not grasp the power of intimidation and fear in these situations. Whenever these stories break, people (mostly men) respond with "why didn't she say something sooner? Why didn't she do this or that? This doesnt make sense, I would of gone to the police!"
You are a man, it's totally different.
This woman was probably intimidated and frightened into doing what was asked of her. It's likely that she kept silent for a time out of fear and/or embarrassment for complying with their request.
Let's see what else comes out of this.
I believe you are confusing the victim and the coach. Sure, the victim I believe was probably feeling all those things, shame, confusion, anger, fear, and any actions the victim did I would never question.
I'm talking about the coach who the victim came forward to, and who confronted the AD. Yes, she's a woman, but it's IMO misogynistic and stereotypical to claim the coach was intimidated or ashamed or confused (without knowing more facts).
Sure, you can use a buzzword and a typical media response and say it's main-splaining and men can't comprehend this - because I'm male and I have an opinion, but many women I've heard talk about this story feel the exact same way, the coach didn't do enough once the victim came forward.
to FMiC's point this is all a lawsuit so far, so until more facts come out no conclusions should be drawn, but that's the part of the story that seems infuriating (secondarily). Obviously the acts by Nasser are gruesome and the most sickening here, but the inaction, the coverups, and the silencing by others is infuriating too because it allowed the situation to continue and led to many more victims.
The AD can still intimidate the coach. I'm sure these ADs all know each other and could get her blackballed.
I'm not sure this is a male / female issue though.
Furthermore, from the article, the coach was forced to re-sign, how does the AD have any leverage or power over the coach at that point? "you'll never work in this field again?" the coach allegedly had a video of Nasser drugging and raping a woman. an underage woman in his medical care.
maybe it's because I'm a man (though I find that sexist against women), but I can't fathom without hearing details, how that coach doesn't make more of this than what she did. especially once fired. Best case I can think of is they lied to her and said the victim has signed some type of agreement requesting confidentiality or something like that and the coach felt her hands were tied respecting the victim's wishes, but that's really flimsy IMO.
Furthermore, from the article, the coach was forced to re-sign, how does the AD have any leverage or power over the coach at that point? "you'll never work in this field again?" the coach allegedly had a video of Nasser drugging and raping a woman. an underage woman in his medical care.
maybe it's because I'm a man (though I find that sexist against women), but I can't fathom without hearing details, how that coach doesn't make more of this than what she did. especially once fired. Best case I can think of is they lied to her and said the victim has signed some type of agreement requesting confidentiality or something like that and the coach felt her hands were tied respecting the victim's wishes, but that's really flimsy IMO.
If you take the story as truth, the fact that they went to the cops and they told her to drop it because the AD is a very powerful man I could see how someone wouldn't want to push it any further.
If the police are afraid of the AD what is the field hockey coach doing to do to him?
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AD can intimidate a coach, but also to your point it's not a male/female thing.
Furthermore, from the article, the coach was forced to re-sign, how does the AD have any leverage or power over the coach at that point? "you'll never work in this field again?" the coach allegedly had a video of Nasser drugging and raping a woman. an underage woman in his medical care.
maybe it's because I'm a man (though I find that sexist against women), but I can't fathom without hearing details, how that coach doesn't make more of this than what she did. especially once fired. Best case I can think of is they lied to her and said the victim has signed some type of agreement requesting confidentiality or something like that and the coach felt her hands were tied respecting the victim's wishes, but that's really flimsy IMO.
If you take the story as truth, the fact that they went to the cops and they told her to drop it because the AD is a very powerful man I could see how someone wouldn't want to push it any further.
If the police are afraid of the AD what is the field hockey coach doing to do to him?
That's why we need to wait for facts, I find that aspect even more infuriating.
How many victims were assaulted after this, those victims are partially the responsibility of anyone who sat on or dismissed this.
I just can't comprehend a world where an Athletic Director or Team Physician have everyone in the community including police, fearing them to the point they have the doctor raping a patient on video tape and people just let it go.
I need to learn more about the facts.
1. AD Perles forcing the coach to return the tape, resign her job, and sign a non-disclosure agreement
2. The police advising the victim ‘she should just drop it’ because Perles is a ‘powerful man’
Per the story reported, the police were ‘university police’. I don’t know if that means they had the same civil authority as municipal police or were glorified security gurards.
Both cover-ups are deeply alarming.
They're legit police. (At least they are now. I assume that was the case at the time of this incident, but I don't know).