were wise to re-sign Smart and perhaps they will re-sign Rozier after this season. Hell they nearly got to the Finals without Kyrie. Now adding Hayward...they could easily be a Finals contender in the next 3-4 years without Irving.
That’s the team he wanted to go to and they’re poised to be championship contenders for years to come. Am I missing something?
That's not the team he wanted to go to.
Ok. So he’s going to leave a championship contender for the Knicks. Is that realistic. Honest question. Really don’t know.
My read on Irving is that he wants $$$ and to be the guy. It's probably more important than contender. Kind of like a point guard version of Melo in that way.
giving up assets other than a max slot would be a coup for the Knicks. If Knox pans out and you add another lottery pick after you this year, that's a large part of a real contending corps.
An FA like Durant would seriously consider joining such a squad if he wanted to leave GS.
kyrie has always been rumored to want to play for the knicks Â
fizdale is very popular amongst players ariund the league...
kp if he comes back and shows hebbn is healthy is a player a lot of point guards would want to play with...
Knicks really are not far off, are they where the celtics are? not even close yet but the celtics might rather keep rozier cheaper than 32 million to irving
KD is a much superior player. Also, last time I looked, Kyrie's had a lot of lower body injuries. That scares the hell out of me.
Perhaps, as has been mentioned, the Knicks know KD isn't coming here & are trying to save face/lower expectations, but if they truly believe this, they're idiots.
this would be a game changer for the organization. Unless he takes a huge leap in year 2, Ntilikina is not a starting PG and it would be nice to get a good one to play next to KP and Knox
KD is a much superior player. Also, last time I looked, Kyrie's had a lot of lower body injuries. That scares the hell out of me.
Perhaps, as has been mentioned, the Knicks know KD isn't coming here & are trying to save face/lower expectations, but if they truly believe this, they're idiots.
how is this saving face? knicks have not said anything...
They should make the finals this year and have a solid 3-4 year window for a title with Hayward and Kyrie. Never mind Tatum is a beast and Brown is at least an allstar level player. They will also probably get a #2-#4 lottery pick next year.
it wouldn't make any sense to leave Boston. They have the winning tradition and a great owner/GM/coach combo. But Kryie is a bit of an odd duck. And, given Kyrie's injuries, do we know for sure Ainge is going to give him the full 5/190 or whatever it is? If not, that opens the door to other teams who are willing to max him - and there's sure to be plenty.
fractured is patella in the 2015 finals. He was basically fully recovered from that until recently when some of the screws in his knee from that surgery became infected. He needed surgery to remove the screws but the knee was found to be fine. So, I guess the larger concern is that he has already fractured his knee..I don't think the recent surgery is anything to be concerned about.
report, back in July Zach Lowe mentioned that Durant was their #1 target next summer. In other words, this is all a bunch of useless noise at this point.
The old organization would have had Noah stretched on sept 1. The delay makes me think they are either trying to get Noah to eat more of contract in the buyout, still trying to trade him or plan on holding him through season and try to use him in a sign and trade next year. I know I sound crazy, but given that Knicks are in east, Young athletic and hungry, I can see them playing better than most are projecting. I would love the top 2 pick, but I don’t think it’s happening. I think they will have a strong second half and be picking 9-13 range.
fwiw has said multiple times that he has heard knicks are the next popular destination
This is funny. All of a sudden, the NY Knicks are a desirable FA destination? Hey, I’d love it if it were true, but I just don’t buy it. They’ve been a colossal dumpster fire for like 15 years. What makes it attractive? KP? Mills, Perry, Fisdale? JD and the Straight Shot?
fwiw has said multiple times that he has heard knicks are the next popular destination
This is funny. All of a sudden, the NY Knicks are a desirable FA destination? Hey, I’d love it if it were true, but I just don’t buy it. They’ve been a colossal dumpster fire for like 15 years. What makes it attractive? KP? Mills, Perry, Fisdale? JD and the Straight Shot?
perry and fizdale absolutely do..
kp absolutely does..
kevin knox could...
and i am sorry but wpj is not going to say something nice aboit the knicks just for shits and giggles...
and woj is not the only person to say things like that...
not surprising but i dont think you kjow how liked and respected fizdale is around the league by players
if Kyrie gets through a regular season and postseason unscathed. We need a sharpshooting two guard to kick Timmy to the sixth man role, and a guy who can get in the paint at will. Kyrie is obviously the latter.
#1- Can Porzingas return and look his former self?
Former self? You mean a player who can't stay on the floor? Porzingas needs to prove he can play a full season. He played 72 games his rookie season (only bc the Knicks babied him) and averaged 57 games the last two years.
#1- Can Porzingas return and look his former self?
Former self? You mean a player who can't stay on the floor? Porzingas needs to prove he can play a full season. He played 72 games his rookie season (only bc the Knicks babied him) and averaged 57 games the last two years.
he played 66 games in his secondnyear he they sat him for games at the end because the season was over...
last year was well on his way to 75 games before the freak injury..
he has had no injury to his feet and the acl injry by all accounts was just acl
Porzingas playing a full season is for another year Â
1- that cant be answered this year. He wont be ready to start the year and pushing him to increases the chances of injury and it makes zero sense
2- the Knicks need more talent. They need another lottery pick. Porzingas playing too many games hurts those chances. And for what? To have a chance to get swept as an 8 seed?
Let Porzingas return when he is fully 100%. Work him in slow build up. IMO about 20 games this year. Allow him to show the talent that had the whole NBA drooling. Dont pressure this guy to play to meaningless games. Get the lottery pick
If that happens, then in 2019/20 you can pressure him to play a full 82 games
And I get that Kyrie Irving solves some problems for the Knicks that Durant doesn't, since they don't have an elite backcourt player, but seem to have some elite frontcourt talent.
Kyrie Irving makes me nervous, though. I think he wants to be THE GUY on a team, which is why he chafed in Cleveland. If Porzingis and/or Knox really turn out to be what we hope, Irving may still be the second guy. I'm not convinced he'll be good with that.
The Knicks and Joakim Noah are expected to part ways before training camp, according to Shams Charania of The Athletic.
Per Shams, New York has "continued to work trade calls, although waiving and stretching Noah's contract looms as a route." It is doubtful that the Knicks find a team willing to absorb the $37.8 million left on Noah's contract. Thus, New York will probably be forced to waive and stretch him. It will be interesting to see if Noah is willing to give any money back via a buyout. Earlier this week, Marc Stein of the New York Times reported the Wolves would not pursue Noah if he becomes available.
fwiw has said multiple times that he has heard knicks are the next popular destination
This is funny. All of a sudden, the NY Knicks are a desirable FA destination? Hey, I’d love it if it were true, but I just don’t buy it. They’ve been a colossal dumpster fire for like 15 years. What makes it attractive? KP? Mills, Perry, Fisdale? JD and the Straight Shot?
15 years ago means nothing. Golden state was a joke forever. Now they are the cat’s pajamas.
KP and Fizdale render 2003-2017 completely irrelevant.
How about the fact that they play in NY? First off, the energy in MSG is legit. Not a lot of places like it. It's gotta be a lot of fun to play in MSG and in NY. You do realize that players don't just look at wins and losses when wanting to play somewhere, right?
C: KP
PF: Kyrie
SF: Kyrie
SG: Kyrie
PG: Kyrie
That's not the team he wanted to go to.
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That’s the team he wanted to go to and they’re poised to be championship contenders for years to come. Am I missing something?
That's not the team he wanted to go to.
Ok. So he’s going to leave a championship contender for the Knicks. Is that realistic. Honest question. Really don’t know.
He never wanted to go to Boston. He gave the Cavs a list of preferred trade destinations which listed 4 teams: Knicks, Spurs, Wolves and Heat
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That’s the team he wanted to go to and they’re poised to be championship contenders for years to come. Am I missing something?
He never wanted to go to Boston. He gave the Cavs a list of preferred trade destinations which listed 4 teams: Knicks, Spurs, Wolves and Heat
Ok. Hope springs eternal.
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That’s the team he wanted to go to and they’re poised to be championship contenders for years to come. Am I missing something?
That's not the team he wanted to go to.
Ok. So he’s going to leave a championship contender for the Knicks. Is that realistic. Honest question. Really don’t know.
My read on Irving is that he wants $$$ and to be the guy. It's probably more important than contender. Kind of like a point guard version of Melo in that way.
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That’s the team he wanted to go to and they’re poised to be championship contenders for years to come. Am I missing something?
That's not the team he wanted to go to.
Ok. So he’s going to leave a championship contender for the Knicks. Is that realistic. Honest question. Really don’t know.
Is it realistic? Yes. Does it make sense? I can't understand why. He's from the area though, so he obviously wants to play close to home.
An FA like Durant would seriously consider joining such a squad if he wanted to leave GS.
kp if he comes back and shows hebbn is healthy is a player a lot of point guards would want to play with...
Knicks really are not far off, are they where the celtics are? not even close yet but the celtics might rather keep rozier cheaper than 32 million to irving
Perhaps, as has been mentioned, the Knicks know KD isn't coming here & are trying to save face/lower expectations, but if they truly believe this, they're idiots.
Perhaps, as has been mentioned, the Knicks know KD isn't coming here & are trying to save face/lower expectations, but if they truly believe this, they're idiots.
how is this saving face? knicks have not said anything...
I would not bet on Durant
This is funny. All of a sudden, the NY Knicks are a desirable FA destination? Hey, I’d love it if it were true, but I just don’t buy it. They’ve been a colossal dumpster fire for like 15 years. What makes it attractive? KP? Mills, Perry, Fisdale? JD and the Straight Shot?
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fwiw has said multiple times that he has heard knicks are the next popular destination
This is funny. All of a sudden, the NY Knicks are a desirable FA destination? Hey, I’d love it if it were true, but I just don’t buy it. They’ve been a colossal dumpster fire for like 15 years. What makes it attractive? KP? Mills, Perry, Fisdale? JD and the Straight Shot?
perry and fizdale absolutely do..
kp absolutely does..
kevin knox could...
and i am sorry but wpj is not going to say something nice aboit the knicks just for shits and giggles...
and woj is not the only person to say things like that...
not surprising but i dont think you kjow how liked and respected fizdale is around the league by players
Who’s a moron? Me? Because I’m skeptical of the Knicks finally experiencing a semblance of success? Whatever. Go fuck your fist.
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knicks are finally building the right way
Who’s a moron? Me? Because I’m skeptical of the Knicks finally experiencing a semblance of success? Whatever. Go fuck your fist.
haha ok eagle fan
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knicks are finally building the right way
Who’s a moron? Me? Because I’m skeptical of the Knicks finally experiencing a semblance of success? Whatever. Go fuck your fist.
Go fuck your fist?
#2- Can Knox display the kind of talent that he showed in the Summer League?
#3- Can Frank progress to being able to be a starter and show anything more than just a defensive talent?
#4- Does Fizdale seem like a competent NBA coach?
#5 - Can the Knicks land another top 10 pick if the answers to the above are positive?
If the Knicks can positively answer the above 5 questions then they will be able to attract a player like Kyrie or Durant.
Former self? You mean a player who can't stay on the floor? Porzingas needs to prove he can play a full season. He played 72 games his rookie season (only bc the Knicks babied him) and averaged 57 games the last two years.
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#1- Can Porzingas return and look his former self?
Former self? You mean a player who can't stay on the floor? Porzingas needs to prove he can play a full season. He played 72 games his rookie season (only bc the Knicks babied him) and averaged 57 games the last two years.
he played 66 games in his secondnyear he they sat him for games at the end because the season was over...
last year was well on his way to 75 games before the freak injury..
he has had no injury to his feet and the acl injry by all accounts was just acl
2- the Knicks need more talent. They need another lottery pick. Porzingas playing too many games hurts those chances. And for what? To have a chance to get swept as an 8 seed?
Let Porzingas return when he is fully 100%. Work him in slow build up. IMO about 20 games this year. Allow him to show the talent that had the whole NBA drooling. Dont pressure this guy to play to meaningless games. Get the lottery pick
If that happens, then in 2019/20 you can pressure him to play a full 82 games
Thats not the question for this year
FIFY
Kyrie Irving makes me nervous, though. I think he wants to be THE GUY on a team, which is why he chafed in Cleveland. If Porzingis and/or Knox really turn out to be what we hope, Irving may still be the second guy. I'm not convinced he'll be good with that.
The Knicks and Joakim Noah are expected to part ways before training camp, according to Shams Charania of The Athletic.
Per Shams, New York has "continued to work trade calls, although waiving and stretching Noah's contract looms as a route." It is doubtful that the Knicks find a team willing to absorb the $37.8 million left on Noah's contract. Thus, New York will probably be forced to waive and stretch him. It will be interesting to see if Noah is willing to give any money back via a buyout. Earlier this week, Marc Stein of the New York Times reported the Wolves would not pursue Noah if he becomes available.
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fwiw has said multiple times that he has heard knicks are the next popular destination
This is funny. All of a sudden, the NY Knicks are a desirable FA destination? Hey, I’d love it if it were true, but I just don’t buy it. They’ve been a colossal dumpster fire for like 15 years. What makes it attractive? KP? Mills, Perry, Fisdale? JD and the Straight Shot?
15 years ago means nothing. Golden state was a joke forever. Now they are the cat’s pajamas.
KP and Fizdale render 2003-2017 completely irrelevant.
I think they meant to say JR was high when he made this statement!