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NFT: Sharks acquire Erik Karlsson

Jay on the Island : 9/13/2018 3:08 pm
The Ottawa Senators went into full rebuilding mode on Thursday, trading star defenseman Erik Karlsson to the San Jose Sharks.

The Senators received center Chris Tierney and defenseman Dylan DeMelo, prospects Josh Norris and Rudolfs Balcers, a conditional 2019 second-round draft pick and a conditional 2020 first-round pick for their captain. If San Jose re-signs Karlsson, who is entering the final year of a seven-year, $45 million contract, Ottawa receives a conditional 2021 second-round selection.

A huge move for the Sharks as they add Karlsson to a blueline that already has Burns and Vlasic.
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Great trade for the Sharks  
soz915 : 9/13/2018 3:13 pm : link
and he's now as far from the East as possible for this season. Happy Rangers fan here! Hopefully he doesn't move back this way in FA next offseason.
PJ  
Jay on the Island : 9/13/2018 3:15 pm : link
How do you think the Senators did here? Tierney is a good 3rd line center, DeMelo is a #6 or #7 defenseman. I know nothing of the two prospects or the conditions of the 1st and 2nd round picks.
RE: Great trade for the Sharks  
Jay on the Island : 9/13/2018 3:15 pm : link
In comment 14074072 soz915 said:
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and he's now as far from the East as possible for this season. Happy Rangers fan here! Hopefully he doesn't move back this way in FA next offseason.

As a Devils fan I hope the Sharks don't re-sign him. The Devils have the most cap room in the NHL and they will hand Karlsson a blank check.
If he's over his injuries  
Gman11 : 9/13/2018 3:22 pm : link
Karlsson is arguably the best defenseman in the league. Did the Sharks give up too much without knowing if he will be with the team after this season? That's the question. Of course, if the Sharks win the Cup this season it's all worth it, even if he walks afterward.
RE: RE: Great trade for the Sharks  
fanofthejets : 9/13/2018 3:26 pm : link
In comment 14074080 Jay on the Island said:
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and he's now as far from the East as possible for this season. Happy Rangers fan here! Hopefully he doesn't move back this way in FA next offseason.


As a Devils fan I hope the Sharks don't re-sign him. The Devils have the most cap room in the NHL and they will hand Karlsson a blank check.


Will we? Doesn't look like Shero likes playing the UFA game.
That is an awful return for the Sens.  
BrettNYG10 : 9/13/2018 3:27 pm : link
I can't believe no one gave up more.
The conditions  
Jay on the Island : 9/13/2018 3:29 pm : link
The conditional 1st round pick Ottawa receives is for either 2019 or 2020. It is not lottery protected.

The conditional 2nd is whichever of the picks is highest. The Sharks also have the Panthers 2nd next year.

if SJ signs Karlsson to an extension the Senators acquire a 2nd round pick in 2021 which will upgrade to a 1st round pick if SJ reaches the stanley cup finals next season.

If Karlsson is on an Eastern conference roster next season the Sharks will also have to send another 1st round pick to the Senators. That pick can be no later than 2022.
the probable sticking point  
Burt64 : 9/13/2018 3:31 pm : link
in a Karlsson deal for other teams was extension, given he got traded to a team that was cool with no extension.
RE: RE: RE: Great trade for the Sharks  
Jay on the Island : 9/13/2018 3:34 pm : link
In comment 14074093 fanofthejets said:
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Will we? Doesn't look like Shero likes playing the UFA game.


Shero offered Shattenkirk more than the Rangers offered in free agency. The Devils weren't crazy about this years free agent class. They want to give all the young kids this season to prove themselves and then next year they will extend Hall and be more aggressive in free agency.
RE: PJ  
pjcas18 : 9/13/2018 3:37 pm : link
In comment 14074076 Jay on the Island said:
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How do you think the Senators did here? Tierney is a good 3rd line center, DeMelo is a #6 or #7 defenseman. I know nothing of the two prospects or the conditions of the 1st and 2nd round picks.


SJS had a weak farm going in. Surprised they were able to beat a Vegas offer. Of the prospects I like Norris. Not familiar with the other one - unless I look him up.

Norris is a good sized, American, center, was on the WJC gold medal team in 2017 with Hughes, Tkachuk, Bellows, Poehling, Farabee, Wahlstrom, etc. He's just not as skilled as those guys. But should be a solid NHL player definitely make the NFL IMO.

I'd do this trade in a heartbeat if I'm SJS.

I can't wait to see a power play with Brent Burns and Erik Karlsson on the point. It will be like an all-star game.

Burns, Vlasic, and Karlsson is the best defensive trio I can remember off the top of my head.
This was added because the Senators got worked  
pjcas18 : 9/13/2018 3:38 pm : link
in the Hoffman trade:

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If Karlsson is on an Eastern conference roster next season the Sharks will also have to send another 1st round pick to the Senators. That pick can be no later than 2022.
RE: RE: Great trade for the Sharks  
Anakim : 9/13/2018 3:42 pm : link
In comment 14074080 Jay on the Island said:
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and he's now as far from the East as possible for this season. Happy Rangers fan here! Hopefully he doesn't move back this way in FA next offseason.


As a Devils fan I hope the Sharks don't re-sign him. The Devils have the most cap room in the NHL and they will hand Karlsson a blank check.


Rangers will also have a lot of cap space also and let's not pretend like anyone would prefer the Devils over the Rangers.

But my eyes are on the Bread Man
Rangers got a better return  
Kyle in NY : 9/13/2018 3:43 pm : link
for McDonagh. Unbelievable
RE: RE: PJ  
pjcas18 : 9/13/2018 3:45 pm : link
In comment 14074109 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 14074076 Jay on the Island said:


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How do you think the Senators did here? Tierney is a good 3rd line center, DeMelo is a #6 or #7 defenseman. I know nothing of the two prospects or the conditions of the 1st and 2nd round picks.



SJS had a weak farm going in. Surprised they were able to beat a Vegas offer. Of the prospects I like Norris. Not familiar with the other one - unless I look him up.

Norris is a good sized, American, center, was on the WJC gold medal team in 2017 with Hughes, Tkachuk, Bellows, Poehling, Farabee, Wahlstrom, etc. He's just not as skilled as those guys. But should be a solid NHL player definitely make the NFL IMO.

I'd do this trade in a heartbeat if I'm SJS.

I can't wait to see a power play with Brent Burns and Erik Karlsson on the point. It will be like an all-star game.

Burns, Vlasic, and Karlsson is the best defensive trio I can remember off the top of my head.


NFL s/b NHL obviously (or not, lol)
It may be hard to be worse than the Sens  
pjcas18 : 9/13/2018 4:18 pm : link
now in the Hughes sweepstakes.

I just read Jean Gabriel Pageau may have torn his Achilles during off-ice physical/testing.

Estimates have him out 4 - 6 months for now, could get worse.

RE: RE: RE: Great trade for the Sharks  
Jay on the Island : 9/13/2018 4:21 pm : link
In comment 14074117 Anakim said:
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and he's now as far from the East as possible for this season. Happy Rangers fan here! Hopefully he doesn't move back this way in FA next offseason.


As a Devils fan I hope the Sharks don't re-sign him. The Devils have the most cap room in the NHL and they will hand Karlsson a blank check.



Rangers will also have a lot of cap space also and let's not pretend like anyone would prefer the Devils over the Rangers.

But my eyes are on the Bread Man


Karlsson will go to the highest bidder. Let's not pretend that he is going to take less to go to the Rangers like Shattenkirk did.
Nice return for the Sens given that  
Metnut : 9/13/2018 4:22 pm : link
EK was a rental.

Wish the Islanders were able to get a package like that for the snake Tavares. Would've been great to add these types of assets to a top 5 farm system. Too bad they took JT at his word when he asked not to be traded and ended up with nothing.
And...to compound dread for sens fans  
pjcas18 : 9/13/2018 4:47 pm : link
I was just reminded the Avalanche own the Senators 2019 first round draft pick, unprotected.

So if Ottawa gets the top pick (and I realize we're getting way ahead of ourselves), the Avalanche get it (or whatever pick the Senators get).
RE: And...to compound dread for sens fans  
Jay on the Island : 9/13/2018 4:52 pm : link
In comment 14074186 pjcas18 said:
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I was just reminded the Avalanche own the Senators 2019 first round draft pick, unprotected.

So if Ottawa gets the top pick (and I realize we're getting way ahead of ourselves), the Avalanche get it (or whatever pick the Senators get).

Unbelievable. Watch the Senators win the lottery and hand Hughes over to the Avs.
dammit i was hoping Vegas would get him  
gtt350 : 9/13/2018 6:00 pm : link
now we's got trouble
If it makes a difference  
pjcas18 : 9/13/2018 6:13 pm : link
I think Vegas is a better team than last year.

But I also thought they'd be historically bad last year. A whole team of 3rd liners basically with solid, but not flashy D, and a hot and cold goalie.
...  
BrettNYG10 : 9/13/2018 6:42 pm : link
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Too bad they wasted JT despite him playing on a bargain deal for his entire career took JT at his word when he asked not to be traded and ended up with nothing.


FTFY
Debates on twitter  
pjcas18 : 9/13/2018 6:53 pm : link
if MTL got more for Pacioretty than OTT got for Karlsson.

I think OTT got more because they have a 1st and 2nd with the prospects, but given how much better Karlsson is than Pacioretty I think it's a fair discussion because relatively Karlsson should have gotten much more.

Even as a rental, they're both rentals.



RE: ...  
JayBinQueens : 9/13/2018 7:49 pm : link
In comment 14074275 BrettNYG10 said:
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Too bad they wasted JT despite him playing on a bargain deal for his entire career took JT at his word when he asked not to be traded and ended up with nothing.



FTFY

Meh. Still as many cups as hank
....  
BrettNYG10 : 9/13/2018 8:38 pm : link
You’ll find no bigger critic of the Rangers inability to win a Cup with Lundqvist than me.
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