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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/14/2018 1:24 pm
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RE: Dep - you give lots a of credible reasons that contributed  
dep026 : 9/14/2018 3:51 pm : link
In comment 14075067 Jimmy Googs said:
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to the loss. Don't disagree with most if not all.

But you continue to overlook the key one that many people like me look for, and that is did Eli contribute enough to allow the team to win?

He didn't...


Maybe he didn’t. But I’ll argue we should have more opportunities as well. Like not running it 3 times from the nine. Using Barkley more as a WR.

It’s a whole team failure to me.
The problem with the offense is STILL the OL.  
Red Dog : 9/14/2018 3:56 pm : link
This won't be solved easily or quickly either.

Also they might want to get themselves a real Fullback that can do something (like lead block like hell, or maybe catch the ball and gain more than a couple of yards with it) other than ride the bench.
RE: The problem with the offense is STILL the OL.  
ZGiants98 : 9/14/2018 4:03 pm : link
In comment 14075096 Red Dog said:
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This won't be solved easily or quickly either.

Also they might want to get themselves a real Fullback that can do something (like lead block like hell, or maybe catch the ball and gain more

than a couple of yards with it) other than ride the bench.


The FB is only in for a handful of plays in this offense. Ellison can do all that as the second TE. Agree about the OL though. It’s the only weakness on the team once OV returns IMO.
Excuses being made for eli in this thread  
micky : 9/14/2018 4:10 pm : link
Already..jeez
RE: RE: dep  
jcn56 : 9/14/2018 4:15 pm : link
In comment 14075054 dep026 said:
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In comment 14075048 Eric from BBI said:


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I fully realize you lead Eli's cheerleading section.

But he hasn't played quality football in over two years now. He's a losing QB on a losing team right now until proven otherwise. Are there other factors (supporting cast, injuries, coaching)? Yes. But he is not the QB he was at one point. He may have taken too many hits.



Sigh...

Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady on this team the last few years is a borderline playoff team. That’s how bad everything else has been arose Nd him. Hell Eli can play to the 2011 version and we still might not make the playoffs.

I know defending Eli here is cause to shit on that’s fine. And I have made it known I wanted Darnold and have admitted he needs to play better. But this notion he has to make that throw or win that game is just silly to me right now.

We have question marks in the run game, pass game outside OBJ, offensive line, coaching, and defense still. If we don’t improve in all those facets... it doesn’t matter if Eli, Peyton, or Archie is ABing. I’m tired of the giants losing and being mediocre in every facet of the game.


Strongly disagree with this one. If TB or AR had this offense I'm very certain they'd be playoff teams. Shit, AR with Barkley and Beckham would probably not be a fair fight against most teams in the NFL, even with the lousy OL.

Thing is, we're not asking Eli to be Brady or Rodgers. The problem is, the first week out he didn't belong in the same conversation, routinely throwing high or off target and throwing a pick 6.

At $20M a year, you're not supposed to be having conversations about how there's not enough around him, you're supposed to be having conversations about how much he elevates everyone around him. Can we really say that about Eli?
great review Eric  
Jints in Carolina : 9/14/2018 4:16 pm : link
Pretty much agree on all counts.
Eli must play excellent  
Jim in Forest Hills : 9/14/2018 4:24 pm : link
especially in those key moments. No more excuses. Everyone else can play meh, but when Eli plays meh its a definite loss.
Jcn  
dep026 : 9/14/2018 4:25 pm : link
I said teams of years past about brady and Rodgers. Not this years team.
Rodgers and Brady  
dep026 : 9/14/2018 4:27 pm : link
Have always had good to average OLs. This notion they didn’t is 100% false. Rodgers has had EXCELLENT OLs for the majority of his career.
I meant to say those two QBs had  
dep026 : 9/14/2018 4:28 pm : link
Good to very good OLs. Not average ones.
dep  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/14/2018 4:41 pm : link
Dep, Eli Manning is my favorite player on this team. I'll always love the guy. But he's got to play better. Everything isn't going to go perfect for him.

That all said, I agree with ZGiants, as long as something fluky doesn't happen, we should win this game pretty handily. Now, Flowers could have another meltdown again, but its on the coaching staff to give him help if that starts to happen.

This team isn't a one trick pony anymore. You shouldn't be able to just take away Beckham and not worry about anyone else. And Dallas shouldn't score a lot on us.
RE: dep  
dep026 : 9/14/2018 4:46 pm : link
In comment 14075144 Eric from BBI said:
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Dep, Eli Manning is my favorite player on this team. I'll always love the guy. But he's got to play better. Everything isn't going to go perfect for him.

That all said, I agree with ZGiants, as long as something fluky doesn't happen, we should win this game pretty handily. Now, Flowers could have another meltdown again, but its on the coaching staff to give him help if that starts to happen.

This team isn't a one trick pony anymore. You shouldn't be able to just take away Beckham and not worry about anyone else. And Dallas shouldn't score a lot on us.


I am not disagreeing he has to play better. Never have. My point is if we want to see a consistent winning team, the whole team needs to better. I don’t believe Eli is holding us back from being a playoff team. I don’t elieve Eli was the reason why we lost last week.

I don’t care who’s right, wrong, or in the middle. They can win games with Eli. They can win games with the defense. We just gotta stop making those crucial bad plays. An INT, a penalty, a drop, a blown coverage because those are the reasons why we lose. It happens too many times from everyone during games.
Yeah, that how our divisional games usually go  
Jimmy Googs : 9/14/2018 4:48 pm : link
Giants winning pretty handily...
RE: Yeah, that how our divisional games usually go  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/14/2018 4:49 pm : link
In comment 14075152 Jimmy Googs said:
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Giants winning pretty handily...


Odds are on your side. But on paper, this looks like a one-side affair to me as long as something fluky doesn't happen. We match up with them well.
RE: RE: dep  
Jimmy Googs : 9/14/2018 4:53 pm : link
In comment 14075149 dep026 said:
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I don’t elieve Eli was the reason why we lost last week.

I don’t care who’s right, wrong, or in the middle. They can win games with Eli. They can win games with the defense. We just gotta stop making those crucial bad plays. An INT, a penalty, a drop, a blown coverage because those are the reasons why we lose. It happens too many times from everyone during games.


Agree that Eli is not a crutch, but he also doesn't play good enough for us to win any longer.

And every team has an INT, a big penalty and a blown coverage. The difference is the Giants score 15 points a game and cannot overcome much with that little margin for error.

Yup...  
ZGiants98 : 9/14/2018 4:54 pm : link
No crazy injuries mid game... limit game altering turnovers.. we should be fine. Feel good about this one and am even happy Zo is getting valuable reps against this team while OV rests up. We are going to need OV healthyand on the field for much tougher tests in the future. Might as well get Zo reps now.
RE: RE: Yeah, that how our divisional games usually go  
dep026 : 9/14/2018 4:55 pm : link
In comment 14075153 Eric from BBI said:
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Giants winning pretty handily...



Odds are on your side. But on paper, this looks like a one-side affair to me as long as something fluky doesn't happen. We match up with them well.


A big problem I can see is Dallas converting 3rd downs. Either with Zeke or Beasley. Time of possession can’t be one sided.
RE: RE: Yeah, that how our divisional games usually go  
Jimmy Googs : 9/14/2018 4:56 pm : link
In comment 14075153 Eric from BBI said:
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Giants winning pretty handily...



Odds are on your side. But on paper, this looks like a one-side affair to me as long as something fluky doesn't happen. We match up with them well.


Its an NFC East game. Anything and everything happens including fluky plays that typically don't go our way.

Until we start scoring 25+ points game...throw away your paper.
Just for the record  
BillT : 9/14/2018 4:56 pm : link
Eli isn’t paid like an elite QB. His $21m ranks 11th and is $1m from 15th. The top 7 QB make $25m to $33m.
RE: RE: RE: dep  
dep026 : 9/14/2018 4:57 pm : link
In comment 14075159 Jimmy Googs said:
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I don’t elieve Eli was the reason why we lost last week.

I don’t care who’s right, wrong, or in the middle. They can win games with Eli. They can win games with the defense. We just gotta stop making those crucial bad plays. An INT, a penalty, a drop, a blown coverage because those are the reasons why we lose. It happens too many times from everyone during games.



Agree that Eli is not a crutch, but he also doesn't play good enough for us to win any longer.

And every team has an INT, a big penalty and a blown coverage. The difference is the Giants score 15 points a game and cannot overcome much with that little margin for error.


We played a really good defense too tho. If it’s this way after a few more games, then I’ll agree. And we had over 350 yards of offense and a shit more ton of penalty yards too. We moved the ball. Just have to finish.
The  
AcidTest : 9/14/2018 4:58 pm : link
OL will determine what happens to this time. Eli is essentially an immobile QB. If the OL can't protect him, then the weapons won't matter.

As far as Eli is concerned, he needs to play better and isn't what he once was, but I still think he can get it done.
RE: RE: RE: RE: dep  
Jimmy Googs : 9/14/2018 5:01 pm : link
In comment 14075165 dep026 said:
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In comment 14075159 Jimmy Googs said:


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I don’t elieve Eli was the reason why we lost last week.

I don’t care who’s right, wrong, or in the middle. They can win games with Eli. They can win games with the defense. We just gotta stop making those crucial bad plays. An INT, a penalty, a drop, a blown coverage because those are the reasons why we lose. It happens too many times from everyone during games.



Agree that Eli is not a crutch, but he also doesn't play good enough for us to win any longer.

And every team has an INT, a big penalty and a blown coverage. The difference is the Giants score 15 points a game and cannot overcome much with that little margin for error.




We played a really good defense too tho. If it’s this way after a few more games, then I’ll agree. And we had over 350 yards of offense and a shit more ton of penalty yards too. We moved the ball. Just have to finish.


Its been this way for over 2 years...
New coaches and healthier team  
dep026 : 9/14/2018 5:06 pm : link
Let’s look towards Dallas and throw the last 17 games away.
it  
Les in TO : 9/14/2018 5:09 pm : link
would be great but unexpected to have a laugher in dallas. these games at AT&T are typically nailbiters, last year being an exception. dallas usually puts together long clock eating drives on offense and are able to get early 3 and outs on defense by getting good pressure with 3 or 4 down linemen and sean lee playing like a maniac against the run.

RE: New coaches and healthier team  
Jimmy Googs : 9/14/2018 5:11 pm : link
In comment 14075174 dep026 said:
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Let’s look towards Dallas and throw the last 17 games away.


I'll drink to that! In fact, its Friday at 5pm and you all know what that means...

Giants 23
Dallas 14

The point is - even with an 11th overall salary  
jcn56 : 9/14/2018 5:15 pm : link
which probably shifted down 3-4 spots as the result of new contract extensions the past year or two - the Giants have to go back to winning games *because* of Eli, not *with* Eli.

You win games with Sterling Shepard. You win games with Evan Engram. You win games *because* of Landon Collins, OBJ, and hopefully Barkley. Difference makers, who have earned the right to be paid towards the top of the market (LC's big extension is coming up, Barkley already makes great money for a RB). Eli has to get back to being in that bracket.
Damon Harrison  
Jay on the Island : 9/14/2018 5:19 pm : link
Dalvin Tomlinson, and BJ Hill will be key. Without Frederick and a struggling rookie LG they need to collapse the pocket and get pressure in Prescott's face. They should be able to control the run game up the middle against this OL.
RE: Just for the record  
Jimmy Googs : 9/14/2018 5:25 pm : link
In comment 14075163 BillT said:
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Eli isn’t paid like an elite QB. His $21m ranks 11th and is $1m from 15th. The top 7 QB make $25m to $33m.


And just for the record his QB rating has ranked him 15th, 13th, 22nd, 26th and 20th over the past 4+ seasons.

So let me know where you are going with that one...
RE: Problem is we threw 5 deep balls during the game  
Canton : 9/14/2018 5:41 pm : link
In comment 14075038 dep026 said:
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Two resulted in PIs
One was caught by Odell
One was brought back by penalty
One was a bad throw by Eli.

3 positive plays out of 5. One called back by penalty.

We need to have more opportunities to throw deep and that’s on the OLIne. Only having one chance a game for a TD isn’t enough either.


It was NOT a bad throw by Eli. He placed it exactly where it was suppose to be. OBJ didn't run the route correctly and bumped into the DB. That killed the timing of the play.

OBJ even clarified it further in his latest interview he needed to work on the depth of his routes ..

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There’s little chances we had in the game that could’ve been a difference. It’s just about connecting on them, and just getting the small details down. Whether it’s getting the depth of your route, which is something I’ve always felt like I needed to work on. So, there’s little things that I took from it.
"One"  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/14/2018 5:49 pm : link
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RE: The point is - even with an 11th overall salary  
Les in TO : 9/14/2018 6:24 pm : link
In comment 14075182 jcn56 said:
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which probably shifted down 3-4 spots as the result of new contract extensions the past year or two - the Giants have to go back to winning games *because* of Eli, not *with* Eli.

You win games with Sterling Shepard. You win games with Evan Engram. You win games *because* of Landon Collins, OBJ, and hopefully Barkley. Difference makers, who have earned the right to be paid towards the top of the market (LC's big extension is coming up, Barkley already makes great money for a RB). Eli has to get back to being in that bracket.
yes. While football is a team game and anyone from a punt returner to a tackle can impact a game with a great play or a gaffe, the QB is the maestro, the general, the heart of the team not just one of the members of the orchestra, soldier or tissue. He touches the ball on every snap, diagnoses defended andaudibles if necessary, improvised when receivers are covered or a block is missed etc. It is the most important position on the field By a long shot
Perhaps one under-appreciated facet to Sunday Night's Game...  
M.S. : 9/14/2018 6:39 pm : link

...Dallas is 0-1 and they are now AT HOME against a DIVISION RIVAL in PRIMETIME.

They are going to be fired up, and among all the things the Giants have to do... they must also match Dallas' intensity, especially out of the gate.

The Giants are not good enough to start this game flat and still come out winners!!!
RE: Just for the record  
UberAlias : 9/14/2018 6:59 pm : link
In comment 14075163 BillT said:
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Eli isn’t paid like an elite QB. His $21m ranks 11th and is $1m from 15th. The top 7 QB make $25m to $33m.
That’s misleading. Eli was the highest paid player in the game when he signed the deal. The ranking in salaries is a function of when the deal was signed, not the magnitude of what he signed. The deal was one that would be offered to an elite QB and should come with equivalent expectations.
RE: RE: Just for the record  
BillT : 9/14/2018 7:12 pm : link
In comment 14075250 UberAlias said:
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Eli isn’t paid like an elite QB. His $21m ranks 11th and is $1m from 15th. The top 7 QB make $25m to $33m.

That’s misleading. Eli was the highest paid player in the game when he signed the deal. The ranking in salaries is a function of when the deal was signed, not the magnitude of what he signed. The deal was one that would be offered to an elite QB and should come with equivalent expectations.

The reality is that almost every even decent starting QB becomes the highest paid player when they get a new contract. Heck, Alex Smith makes more than Eli as does Joe Flacco and Tom Brady makes less. So, Eli's salary isn't all that important when it comes to expectations. Calling him out on his salary doesn't tell you anything about his talent. I expect more from him as well but it's not because of what he earns.
Bill  
UberAlias : 9/14/2018 7:44 pm : link
That is more true more decently then when he signed it. Some of that has to do with desperation of some of the teams signing recent deals and market at the time. At the time Eli signed his deal, there was no doubt it was an elite QB contract.
Just noticed...  
Dan in the Springs : 9/14/2018 8:06 pm : link
Jake Bortles?

And as far as I'm concerned, this offense, for all it's weapons, is really, really bad. We shouldn't be happy with 20 points in Dallas, but I think it will be a pleasant surprise to score that much. I can't imagine what it will feel like to score thirty again, even if it's just once. Forget about regularly scoring 30.

People were upset about the Eli benching and what it did to tarnish his legacy. This string of offensive futility is doing much more to tarnish it than the benching ever could
Last year  
mako J : 9/14/2018 10:39 pm : link
Dak led Dallas to 14 in the fourth to beat Bettcher and the Cards 28-17. Dez and Whiten only caught 3 balls and Zeke had just 80 yards.

All those talking about how Dallas won't score on this defense are awfully confident based on one half vs Bortles, Yeldon, and Cole...at home in the rain.

Also, a lot of folks are saying the offense just needs more reps together and to play a defense that isn't potentially leauge's best. I agree. However more reps is also more film. Dallas has a full game film that Jacksonville didn't.

I agree the Giants match up well vs Dallas and I agree they need to learn how to win a close game. I do not agree that the Giants are set for a laugher. This'll be a dogfight.
Close game IMO.......  
Simms11 : 9/15/2018 9:37 am : link
This is a different game then last week. Divisional game on Sunday night, national TV against a hated rival. Dallas will not be a pushover, especially given their defense. They can pressure the QB and have LBers that can run. Lee always is a PIA in these games. Lawrence, if not limited, will have a hey day against arguably the worst Tackle in the league. If Eli can’t get the ball to these playmakers then it’ll be a long night. I think our playmakers will have to hit a few home runs in this game.
If I'm Dave Getlemen  
gidiefor : Mod : 9/15/2018 10:18 am : link
I'm watching this game closely --

I watched Dallas last week. They are awful, and our team is strong in areas that they are awful. We have a very good to great Defensive line and a reasonably good linebacker corps -- we should be able to contain Dak and Elliot

Dak does not have a good arm and he does not have a whole lot of weapons to throw to. Bad combo.

I give you that Rod Marinelli is one of the best in the business and he can coach the heck out of a defense of no names - but the Dallas defense looked average to me last week - they have a couple of guys we have to watch out for - but we should be able to scheme against.

This is definitely a test game for both Shurmur and Eli -- they both have to produce results -- the Giants have one of the best and most balanced skill set teams on offense in the NFL -- if they can't score at least 4 TDs against the Cowboys -- something is very wrong -- and I agree the onus for that is on Eli Manning -- he's got to start connecting and getting scores out of this group and this is the perfect opportunity to demonstrate that he can still do that.

If this game goes badly -- it's going to mark the beginning of the end for Eli Manning - but if it goes well -- there will be fuel for Eli making a statement -

We would all prefer the statement -- it's in there -- go and get it!!!
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christian : 9/15/2018 10:41 am : link
If Sterling Shepard cannot go (no assumption, more hypothetical), I don't know if an opposing coordinator is frightened by the offensive weapons.

Any team putting Cody Latimer and Russel Shepard on the field for a hundred snaps is somewhere short of scary.
The Giants strength on defense  
Jay on the Island : 9/15/2018 11:36 am : link
is their defensive front. Harrison and Tomlinson/Hill versus Looney and Connor Williams is a big mismatch. The front needs to collapse the pocket in order to put pressure on Prescott and force him to make mistakes. If Dallas can neutralize the Giants DL this game will be close.

If the Giants stop Elliott and contain Prescott then they should win comfortably.
RE: If I'm Dave Getlemen  
sb from NYT Forum : 9/15/2018 11:38 am : link
In comment 14075494 gidiefor said:
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I'm watching this game closely --

I watched Dallas last week. They are awful, and our team is strong in areas that they are awful. We have a very good to great Defensive line and a reasonably good linebacker corps -- we should be able to contain Dak and Elliot

Dak does not have a good arm and he does not have a whole lot of weapons to throw to. Bad combo.

I give you that Rod Marinelli is one of the best in the business and he can coach the heck out of a defense of no names - but the Dallas defense looked average to me last week - they have a couple of guys we have to watch out for - but we should be able to scheme against.

This is definitely a test game for both Shurmur and Eli -- they both have to produce results -- the Giants have one of the best and most balanced skill set teams on offense in the NFL -- if they can't score at least 4 TDs against the Cowboys -- something is very wrong -- and I agree the onus for that is on Eli Manning -- he's got to start connecting and getting scores out of this group and this is the perfect opportunity to demonstrate that he can still do that.

If this game goes badly -- it's going to mark the beginning of the end for Eli Manning - but if it goes well -- there will be fuel for Eli making a statement -

We would all prefer the statement -- it's in there -- go and get it!!!


Great post.

+1
Should be a big game for Barkley  
WillVAB : 9/15/2018 12:08 pm : link
And Engram. If both make plays the Giants will chew up Marinelli’s scheme.

Engram needs to start playing like a 1st round playmaker. No more drops.
RE: If I'm Dave Getlemen  
micky : 9/15/2018 12:09 pm : link
In comment 14075494 gidiefor said:
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I'm watching this game closely --

I watched Dallas last week. They are awful, and our team is strong in areas that they are awful. We have a very good to great Defensive line and a reasonably good linebacker corps -- we should be able to contain Dak and Elliot

Dak does not have a good arm and he does not have a whole lot of weapons to throw to. Bad combo.

I give you that Rod Marinelli is one of the best in the business and he can coach the heck out of a defense of no names - but the Dallas defense looked average to me last week - they have a couple of guys we have to watch out for - but we should be able to scheme against.

This is definitely a test game for both Shurmur and Eli -- they both have to produce results -- the Giants have one of the best and most balanced skill set teams on offense in the NFL -- if they can't score at least 4 TDs against the Cowboys -- something is very wrong -- and I agree the onus for that is on Eli Manning -- he's got to start connecting and getting scores out of this group and this is the perfect opportunity to demonstrate that he can still do that.

If this game goes badly -- it's going to mark the beginning of the end for Eli Manning - but if it goes well -- there will be fuel for Eli making a statement -

We would all prefer the statement -- it's in there -- go and get it!!!


This is pretty good assessment. Lets see
RE: Just for the record  
trueblueinpw : 9/15/2018 1:04 pm : link
In comment 14075163 BillT said:
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Eli isn’t paid like an elite QB. His $21m ranks 11th and is $1m from 15th. The top 7 QB make $25m to $33m.


Just like Erik Flowers, facts won’t get in the way of bashing Eli.
This game is a big barometer for us  
AcesUp : 9/15/2018 1:30 pm : link
The Jaguars are a SB contender and flat out a better team than we are right now. The Cowboys on the other hand? I don't think they're a very good team, probably legitimately bad until their OL gets right and some weapons step up. Their defense is solid and should be respected but that offense will look like ours did last year in the early going.

If we don't win this game then we are in for another long season.
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christian : 9/15/2018 3:02 pm : link
Almost beating a good team isn't much of an indication of being a good team.

The line between 3-13 and Super Bowl champ was pretty thin twice last year.

The Giants need go out and pass and run block worth a shit to even start the conversation about being an average team.
RE: RE: If I'm Dave Getlemen  
wonderback : 9/15/2018 4:20 pm : link
In comment 14075552 micky said:
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I'm watching this game closely --

I watched Dallas last week. They are awful, and our team is strong in areas that they are awful. We have a very good to great Defensive line and a reasonably good linebacker corps -- we should be able to contain Dak and Elliot

Dak does not have a good arm and he does not have a whole lot of weapons to throw to. Bad combo.

I give you that Rod Marinelli is one of the best in the business and he can coach the heck out of a defense of no names - but the Dallas defense looked average to me last week - they have a couple of guys we have to watch out for - but we should be able to scheme against.

This is definitely a test game for both Shurmur and Eli -- they both have to produce results -- the Giants have one of the best and most balanced skill set teams on offense in the NFL -- if they can't score at least 4 TDs against the Cowboys -- something is very wrong -- and I agree the onus for that is on Eli Manning -- he's got to start connecting and getting scores out of this group and this is the perfect opportunity to demonstrate that he can still do that.

If this game goes badly -- it's going to mark the beginning of the end for Eli Manning - but if it goes well -- there will be fuel for Eli making a statement -

We would all prefer the statement -- it's in there -- go and get it!!!



This is pretty good assessment. Lets see



Everybody leaves out the most important part. If the line blocks, even half way decently, Eli will deliver. If not he'll look fair to midland. It's that simple. The OL needs, absolutely, needs to play better. Let's stop leaving that out when talking about Eli.
RE: If I'm Dave Getlemen  
UberAlias : 9/15/2018 4:39 pm : link
In comment 14075494 gidiefor said:
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I'm watching this game closely --

I watched Dallas last week. They are awful, and our team is strong in areas that they are awful. We have a very good to great Defensive line and a reasonably good linebacker corps -- we should be able to contain Dak and Elliot

Dak does not have a good arm and he does not have a whole lot of weapons to throw to. Bad combo.

I give you that Rod Marinelli is one of the best in the business and he can coach the heck out of a defense of no names - but the Dallas defense looked average to me last week - they have a couple of guys we have to watch out for - but we should be able to scheme against.

This is definitely a test game for both Shurmur and Eli -- they both have to produce results -- the Giants have one of the best and most balanced skill set teams on offense in the NFL -- if they can't score at least 4 TDs against the Cowboys -- something is very wrong -- and I agree the onus for that is on Eli Manning -- he's got to start connecting and getting scores out of this group and this is the perfect opportunity to demonstrate that he can still do that.

If this game goes badly -- it's going to mark the beginning of the end for Eli Manning - but if it goes well -- there will be fuel for Eli making a statement -

We would all prefer the statement -- it's in there -- go and get it!!!
I don’t follow the logic. DG just pushed his chips in the middle all in on Eli and he and his HC have gone on record over and over about him. So now we watch this game closely and if it doesn’t goe well it’s the beginning of the end for Eli? If things don’t go well, not specifically this game, but this season, then the beginning of the end for Eli started two years ago except our GM failed to see it and blew a franchise altering opportunity as a result. This team is building around a 37 year old QB. If we are at the end, we’re in trouble.
Shumur says Giants will go as far as the OL takes us  
joe48 : 9/15/2018 5:11 pm : link
True words. Cowboys lost to a Panther team with a good defense and a fair offense. Newton has few weapons and won this game with his feet not his inaccurate passes. Dak was bad last week and we should be able to stop Zeke and Beasley. My concern is our OL. Can we open holes and protect Eli. We are better than Dallas and the coach needs to game plan to give our skill players an opportunity to make plays.
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