"if the Giants can’t score more than 20 points with Beckham and Barkley on their team, then they have the wrong coaches and/or quarterback. In my mind, this game is on our coaches and Eli Manning. No excuses".
Agree but I think the coaches are fine. I think it falls on the QB.
sure Eli missed a few chances last week.... but he didnt call 3 runs inside the 10.
Eli needs to hit the opportunities there
The OL must block better
Engram and Shep need to catch passes
We need to convert 3rd and 4th and short.
Its a team effort.
It's the nature of the position. You get paid $20 million per year, the onus is on you to hit the TD when the TD is there. Difference between 0-1 and 1-0.
Did other people screw during the game? Yes, but they aren't the QB.
sure Eli missed a few chances last week.... but he didnt call 3 runs inside the 10.
Eli needs to hit the opportunities there
The OL must block better
Engram and Shep need to catch passes
We need to convert 3rd and 4th and short.
Its a team effort.
It's the nature of the position. You get paid $20 million per year, the onus is on you to hit the TD when the TD is there. Difference between 0-1 and 1-0.
Did other people screw during the game? Yes, but they aren't the QB.
I totally agree. Eli is getting paid like an elite QB. More importantly, this team passed on the opportunity secure Eli's replacement in April following an Eli Manning led 3-win season. We hear it said over and over -we can win with Eli. We believe in Eli. Fine. Then prove it.
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sure Eli missed a few chances last week.... but he didnt call 3 runs inside the 10.
Eli needs to hit the opportunities there
The OL must block better
Engram and Shep need to catch passes
We need to convert 3rd and 4th and short.
Its a team effort.
It's the nature of the position. You get paid $20 million per year, the onus is on you to hit the TD when the TD is there. Difference between 0-1 and 1-0.
Did other people screw during the game? Yes, but they aren't the QB.
We didn’t lose the game because of a missed TD with 12:00 to go in the third. We lost the game because we couldn’t run the ball effectively, Eli missing Beckham, shurmurs play calling inside the 10, engram having an awful game, etc...
We are not going to be a good team until many players play better, including Eli. Hell Jenkins dropped an easy TD that led to a FG. Flowers sucked altogether. Engram and Shepard dropped key passes. They may not make as much as Eli but they were drafted and picked up on the team to make big plays too.
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I fully realize you lead Eli's cheerleading section.
But he hasn't played quality football in over two years now. He's a losing QB on a losing team right now until proven otherwise. Are there other factors (supporting cast, injuries, coaching)? Yes. But he is not the QB he was at one point. He may have taken too many hits.
I fully realize you lead Eli's cheerleading section.
But he hasn't played quality football in over two years now. He's a losing QB on a losing team right now until proven otherwise. Are there other factors (supporting cast, injuries, coaching)? Yes. But he is not the QB he was at one point. He may have taken too many hits.
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Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady on this team the last few years is a borderline playoff team. That’s how bad everything else has been arose Nd him. Hell Eli can play to the 2011 version and we still might not make the playoffs.
I know defending Eli here is cause to shit on that’s fine. And I have made it known I wanted Darnold and have admitted he needs to play better. But this notion he has to make that throw or win that game is just silly to me right now.
We have question marks in the run game, pass game outside OBJ, offensive line, coaching, and defense still. If we don’t improve in all those facets... it doesn’t matter if Eli, Peyton, or Archie is ABing. I’m tired of the giants losing and being mediocre in every facet of the game.
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For Eli to have a big game this week and Eli certainly was not the reason we lost last week. I’d like to see Deayon on Beasley in the slot this week. Shrimp vs Shrimp. Our defense is going to cause Dallas fits and Prescott will have nowhere to go with the ball. People seem to be underselling the game Eli Apple had last week for some reason. Adding another stud CB to the other side of the field transforms our defense into something even better than anyone expected. We’ll see if he holds up. Wish we had OV but Giants still win this game pretty easily IMO.
For Eli to have a big game this week and Eli certainly was not the reason we lost last week. I’d like to see Deayon on Beasley in the slot this week. Shrimp vs Shrimp. Our defense is going to cause Dallas fits and Prescott will have nowhere to go with the ball. People seem to be underselling the game Eli Apple had last week for some reason. Adding another stud CB to the other side of the field transforms our defense into something even better than anyone expected. We’ll see if he holds up. Wish we had OV but Giants still win this game pretty easily IMO.
giants will have to stop 4 guys, no way cowboys blitz alot
I may be tempted to insert Deayon as slot corner to cover Beasley in lieu of Webb
Deayon won't be at a size disadvantage and his quickness could be a plus on those short passes the Cows use with Beasley
This is a very good point. DD is one CB that could cover Beasley and not have a size disadvantage. I also think DD might just be better the Webb anyway.
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Also they might want to get themselves a real Fullback that can do something (like lead block like hell, or maybe catch the ball and gain more than a couple of yards with it) other than ride the bench.
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Also they might want to get themselves a real Fullback that can do something (like lead block like hell, or maybe catch the ball and gain more
than a couple of yards with it) other than ride the bench.
The FB is only in for a handful of plays in this offense. Ellison can do all that as the second TE. Agree about the OL though. It’s the only weakness on the team once OV returns IMO.
I fully realize you lead Eli's cheerleading section.
But he hasn't played quality football in over two years now. He's a losing QB on a losing team right now until proven otherwise. Are there other factors (supporting cast, injuries, coaching)? Yes. But he is not the QB he was at one point. He may have taken too many hits.
Sigh...
Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady on this team the last few years is a borderline playoff team. That’s how bad everything else has been arose Nd him. Hell Eli can play to the 2011 version and we still might not make the playoffs.
I know defending Eli here is cause to shit on that’s fine. And I have made it known I wanted Darnold and have admitted he needs to play better. But this notion he has to make that throw or win that game is just silly to me right now.
We have question marks in the run game, pass game outside OBJ, offensive line, coaching, and defense still. If we don’t improve in all those facets... it doesn’t matter if Eli, Peyton, or Archie is ABing. I’m tired of the giants losing and being mediocre in every facet of the game.
Strongly disagree with this one. If TB or AR had this offense I'm very certain they'd be playoff teams. Shit, AR with Barkley and Beckham would probably not be a fair fight against most teams in the NFL, even with the lousy OL.
Thing is, we're not asking Eli to be Brady or Rodgers. The problem is, the first week out he didn't belong in the same conversation, routinely throwing high or off target and throwing a pick 6.
At $20M a year, you're not supposed to be having conversations about how there's not enough around him, you're supposed to be having conversations about how much he elevates everyone around him. Can we really say that about Eli?
Dep, Eli Manning is my favorite player on this team. I'll always love the guy. But he's got to play better. Everything isn't going to go perfect for him.
That all said, I agree with ZGiants, as long as something fluky doesn't happen, we should win this game pretty handily. Now, Flowers could have another meltdown again, but its on the coaching staff to give him help if that starts to happen.
This team isn't a one trick pony anymore. You shouldn't be able to just take away Beckham and not worry about anyone else. And Dallas shouldn't score a lot on us.
Dep, Eli Manning is my favorite player on this team. I'll always love the guy. But he's got to play better. Everything isn't going to go perfect for him.
That all said, I agree with ZGiants, as long as something fluky doesn't happen, we should win this game pretty handily. Now, Flowers could have another meltdown again, but its on the coaching staff to give him help if that starts to happen.
This team isn't a one trick pony anymore. You shouldn't be able to just take away Beckham and not worry about anyone else. And Dallas shouldn't score a lot on us.
I am not disagreeing he has to play better. Never have. My point is if we want to see a consistent winning team, the whole team needs to better. I don’t believe Eli is holding us back from being a playoff team. I don’t elieve Eli was the reason why we lost last week.
I don’t care who’s right, wrong, or in the middle. They can win games with Eli. They can win games with the defense. We just gotta stop making those crucial bad plays. An INT, a penalty, a drop, a blown coverage because those are the reasons why we lose. It happens too many times from everyone during games.
I don’t elieve Eli was the reason why we lost last week.
I don’t care who’s right, wrong, or in the middle. They can win games with Eli. They can win games with the defense. We just gotta stop making those crucial bad plays. An INT, a penalty, a drop, a blown coverage because those are the reasons why we lose. It happens too many times from everyone during games.
Agree that Eli is not a crutch, but he also doesn't play good enough for us to win any longer.
And every team has an INT, a big penalty and a blown coverage. The difference is the Giants score 15 points a game and cannot overcome much with that little margin for error.
No crazy injuries mid game... limit game altering turnovers.. we should be fine. Feel good about this one and am even happy Zo is getting valuable reps against this team while OV rests up. We are going to need OV healthyand on the field for much tougher tests in the future. Might as well get Zo reps now.
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I don’t elieve Eli was the reason why we lost last week.
I don’t care who’s right, wrong, or in the middle. They can win games with Eli. They can win games with the defense. We just gotta stop making those crucial bad plays. An INT, a penalty, a drop, a blown coverage because those are the reasons why we lose. It happens too many times from everyone during games.
Agree that Eli is not a crutch, but he also doesn't play good enough for us to win any longer.
And every team has an INT, a big penalty and a blown coverage. The difference is the Giants score 15 points a game and cannot overcome much with that little margin for error.
We played a really good defense too tho. If it’s this way after a few more games, then I’ll agree. And we had over 350 yards of offense and a shit more ton of penalty yards too. We moved the ball. Just have to finish.
I don’t elieve Eli was the reason why we lost last week.
I don’t care who’s right, wrong, or in the middle. They can win games with Eli. They can win games with the defense. We just gotta stop making those crucial bad plays. An INT, a penalty, a drop, a blown coverage because those are the reasons why we lose. It happens too many times from everyone during games.
Agree that Eli is not a crutch, but he also doesn't play good enough for us to win any longer.
And every team has an INT, a big penalty and a blown coverage. The difference is the Giants score 15 points a game and cannot overcome much with that little margin for error.
We played a really good defense too tho. If it’s this way after a few more games, then I’ll agree. And we had over 350 yards of offense and a shit more ton of penalty yards too. We moved the ball. Just have to finish.
would be great but unexpected to have a laugher in dallas. these games at AT&T are typically nailbiters, last year being an exception. dallas usually puts together long clock eating drives on offense and are able to get early 3 and outs on defense by getting good pressure with 3 or 4 down linemen and sean lee playing like a maniac against the run.
which probably shifted down 3-4 spots as the result of new contract extensions the past year or two - the Giants have to go back to winning games *because* of Eli, not *with* Eli.
You win games with Sterling Shepard. You win games with Evan Engram. You win games *because* of Landon Collins, OBJ, and hopefully Barkley. Difference makers, who have earned the right to be paid towards the top of the market (LC's big extension is coming up, Barkley already makes great money for a RB). Eli has to get back to being in that bracket.
Dalvin Tomlinson, and BJ Hill will be key. Without Frederick and a struggling rookie LG they need to collapse the pocket and get pressure in Prescott's face. They should be able to control the run game up the middle against this OL.
Two resulted in PIs
One was caught by Odell
One was brought back by penalty One was a bad throw by Eli.
3 positive plays out of 5. One called back by penalty.
We need to have more opportunities to throw deep and that’s on the OLIne. Only having one chance a game for a TD isn’t enough either.
It was NOT a bad throw by Eli. He placed it exactly where it was suppose to be. OBJ didn't run the route correctly and bumped into the DB. That killed the timing of the play.
OBJ even clarified it further in his latest interview he needed to work on the depth of his routes ..
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There’s little chances we had in the game that could’ve been a difference. It’s just about connecting on them, and just getting the small details down. Whether it’s getting the depth of your route, which is something I’ve always felt like I needed to work on. So, there’s little things that I took from it.
Agree but I think the coaches are fine. I think it falls on the QB.
What is the streak for the last time the Giants have scored 30 points? 2016 I believe. Its absurd.
What is the streak for the last time the Giants have scored 30 points? 2016 I believe. Its absurd.
The stinking Jets scored 47 the other night for crying out loud.
Eli needs to hit the opportunities there
The OL must block better
Engram and Shep need to catch passes
We need to convert 3rd and 4th and short.
Its a team effort.
Eli needs to hit the opportunities there
The OL must block better
Engram and Shep need to catch passes
We need to convert 3rd and 4th and short.
Its a team effort.
It's the nature of the position. You get paid $20 million per year, the onus is on you to hit the TD when the TD is there. Difference between 0-1 and 1-0.
Did other people screw during the game? Yes, but they aren't the QB.
Deayon won't be at a size disadvantage and his quickness could be a plus on those short passes the Cows use with Beasley
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sure Eli missed a few chances last week.... but he didnt call 3 runs inside the 10.
Eli needs to hit the opportunities there
The OL must block better
Engram and Shep need to catch passes
We need to convert 3rd and 4th and short.
Its a team effort.
It's the nature of the position. You get paid $20 million per year, the onus is on you to hit the TD when the TD is there. Difference between 0-1 and 1-0.
Did other people screw during the game? Yes, but they aren't the QB.
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sure Eli missed a few chances last week.... but he didnt call 3 runs inside the 10.
Eli needs to hit the opportunities there
The OL must block better
Engram and Shep need to catch passes
We need to convert 3rd and 4th and short.
Its a team effort.
It's the nature of the position. You get paid $20 million per year, the onus is on you to hit the TD when the TD is there. Difference between 0-1 and 1-0.
Did other people screw during the game? Yes, but they aren't the QB.
We didn’t lose the game because of a missed TD with 12:00 to go in the third. We lost the game because we couldn’t run the ball effectively, Eli missing Beckham, shurmurs play calling inside the 10, engram having an awful game, etc...
We are not going to be a good team until many players play better, including Eli. Hell Jenkins dropped an easy TD that led to a FG. Flowers sucked altogether. Engram and Shepard dropped key passes. They may not make as much as Eli but they were drafted and picked up on the team to make big plays too.
One was caught by Odell
One was brought back by penalty
One was a bad throw by Eli.
3 positive plays out of 5. One called back by penalty.
We need to have more opportunities to throw deep and that’s on the OLIne. Only having one chance a game for a TD isn’t enough either.
But he hasn't played quality football in over two years now. He's a losing QB on a losing team right now until proven otherwise. Are there other factors (supporting cast, injuries, coaching)? Yes. But he is not the QB he was at one point. He may have taken too many hits.
Marinelli will play the Giants like he has every year
But he hasn't played quality football in over two years now. He's a losing QB on a losing team right now until proven otherwise. Are there other factors (supporting cast, injuries, coaching)? Yes. But he is not the QB he was at one point. He may have taken too many hits.
Sigh...
Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady on this team the last few years is a borderline playoff team. That’s how bad everything else has been arose Nd him. Hell Eli can play to the 2011 version and we still might not make the playoffs.
I know defending Eli here is cause to shit on that’s fine. And I have made it known I wanted Darnold and have admitted he needs to play better. But this notion he has to make that throw or win that game is just silly to me right now.
We have question marks in the run game, pass game outside OBJ, offensive line, coaching, and defense still. If we don’t improve in all those facets... it doesn’t matter if Eli, Peyton, or Archie is ABing. I’m tired of the giants losing and being mediocre in every facet of the game.
Also will mean shepard and engram 1 on 1 coverage, the second they go 1 on 1 with beckham the ball has to go to him no matter what.
i also think their starting free safety is out
But you continue to overlook the key one that many people like me look for, and that is did Eli contribute enough to allow the team to win?
He didn't...
giants will have to stop 4 guys, no way cowboys blitz alot
Deayon won't be at a size disadvantage and his quickness could be a plus on those short passes the Cows use with Beasley
This is a very good point. DD is one CB that could cover Beasley and not have a size disadvantage. I also think DD might just be better the Webb anyway.
But you continue to overlook the key one that many people like me look for, and that is did Eli contribute enough to allow the team to win?
He didn't...
Maybe he didn’t. But I’ll argue we should have more opportunities as well. Like not running it 3 times from the nine. Using Barkley more as a WR.
It’s a whole team failure to me.
Also they might want to get themselves a real Fullback that can do something (like lead block like hell, or maybe catch the ball and gain more than a couple of yards with it) other than ride the bench.
Also they might want to get themselves a real Fullback that can do something (like lead block like hell, or maybe catch the ball and gain more
than a couple of yards with it) other than ride the bench.
The FB is only in for a handful of plays in this offense. Ellison can do all that as the second TE. Agree about the OL though. It’s the only weakness on the team once OV returns IMO.
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I fully realize you lead Eli's cheerleading section.
But he hasn't played quality football in over two years now. He's a losing QB on a losing team right now until proven otherwise. Are there other factors (supporting cast, injuries, coaching)? Yes. But he is not the QB he was at one point. He may have taken too many hits.
Sigh...
Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady on this team the last few years is a borderline playoff team. That’s how bad everything else has been arose Nd him. Hell Eli can play to the 2011 version and we still might not make the playoffs.
I know defending Eli here is cause to shit on that’s fine. And I have made it known I wanted Darnold and have admitted he needs to play better. But this notion he has to make that throw or win that game is just silly to me right now.
We have question marks in the run game, pass game outside OBJ, offensive line, coaching, and defense still. If we don’t improve in all those facets... it doesn’t matter if Eli, Peyton, or Archie is ABing. I’m tired of the giants losing and being mediocre in every facet of the game.
Strongly disagree with this one. If TB or AR had this offense I'm very certain they'd be playoff teams. Shit, AR with Barkley and Beckham would probably not be a fair fight against most teams in the NFL, even with the lousy OL.
Thing is, we're not asking Eli to be Brady or Rodgers. The problem is, the first week out he didn't belong in the same conversation, routinely throwing high or off target and throwing a pick 6.
At $20M a year, you're not supposed to be having conversations about how there's not enough around him, you're supposed to be having conversations about how much he elevates everyone around him. Can we really say that about Eli?
That all said, I agree with ZGiants, as long as something fluky doesn't happen, we should win this game pretty handily. Now, Flowers could have another meltdown again, but its on the coaching staff to give him help if that starts to happen.
This team isn't a one trick pony anymore. You shouldn't be able to just take away Beckham and not worry about anyone else. And Dallas shouldn't score a lot on us.
That all said, I agree with ZGiants, as long as something fluky doesn't happen, we should win this game pretty handily. Now, Flowers could have another meltdown again, but its on the coaching staff to give him help if that starts to happen.
This team isn't a one trick pony anymore. You shouldn't be able to just take away Beckham and not worry about anyone else. And Dallas shouldn't score a lot on us.
I am not disagreeing he has to play better. Never have. My point is if we want to see a consistent winning team, the whole team needs to better. I don’t believe Eli is holding us back from being a playoff team. I don’t elieve Eli was the reason why we lost last week.
I don’t care who’s right, wrong, or in the middle. They can win games with Eli. They can win games with the defense. We just gotta stop making those crucial bad plays. An INT, a penalty, a drop, a blown coverage because those are the reasons why we lose. It happens too many times from everyone during games.
Odds are on your side. But on paper, this looks like a one-side affair to me as long as something fluky doesn't happen. We match up with them well.
I don’t care who’s right, wrong, or in the middle. They can win games with Eli. They can win games with the defense. We just gotta stop making those crucial bad plays. An INT, a penalty, a drop, a blown coverage because those are the reasons why we lose. It happens too many times from everyone during games.
Agree that Eli is not a crutch, but he also doesn't play good enough for us to win any longer.
And every team has an INT, a big penalty and a blown coverage. The difference is the Giants score 15 points a game and cannot overcome much with that little margin for error.
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Giants winning pretty handily...
Odds are on your side. But on paper, this looks like a one-side affair to me as long as something fluky doesn't happen. We match up with them well.
A big problem I can see is Dallas converting 3rd downs. Either with Zeke or Beasley. Time of possession can’t be one sided.
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Giants winning pretty handily...
Odds are on your side. But on paper, this looks like a one-side affair to me as long as something fluky doesn't happen. We match up with them well.
Its an NFC East game. Anything and everything happens including fluky plays that typically don't go our way.
Until we start scoring 25+ points game...throw away your paper.
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I don’t elieve Eli was the reason why we lost last week.
I don’t care who’s right, wrong, or in the middle. They can win games with Eli. They can win games with the defense. We just gotta stop making those crucial bad plays. An INT, a penalty, a drop, a blown coverage because those are the reasons why we lose. It happens too many times from everyone during games.
Agree that Eli is not a crutch, but he also doesn't play good enough for us to win any longer.
And every team has an INT, a big penalty and a blown coverage. The difference is the Giants score 15 points a game and cannot overcome much with that little margin for error.
We played a really good defense too tho. If it’s this way after a few more games, then I’ll agree. And we had over 350 yards of offense and a shit more ton of penalty yards too. We moved the ball. Just have to finish.
As far as Eli is concerned, he needs to play better and isn't what he once was, but I still think he can get it done.
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I don’t elieve Eli was the reason why we lost last week.
I don’t care who’s right, wrong, or in the middle. They can win games with Eli. They can win games with the defense. We just gotta stop making those crucial bad plays. An INT, a penalty, a drop, a blown coverage because those are the reasons why we lose. It happens too many times from everyone during games.
Agree that Eli is not a crutch, but he also doesn't play good enough for us to win any longer.
And every team has an INT, a big penalty and a blown coverage. The difference is the Giants score 15 points a game and cannot overcome much with that little margin for error.
We played a really good defense too tho. If it’s this way after a few more games, then I’ll agree. And we had over 350 yards of offense and a shit more ton of penalty yards too. We moved the ball. Just have to finish.
Its been this way for over 2 years...
I'll drink to that! In fact, its Friday at 5pm and you all know what that means...
Giants 23
Dallas 14
You win games with Sterling Shepard. You win games with Evan Engram. You win games *because* of Landon Collins, OBJ, and hopefully Barkley. Difference makers, who have earned the right to be paid towards the top of the market (LC's big extension is coming up, Barkley already makes great money for a RB). Eli has to get back to being in that bracket.
And just for the record his QB rating has ranked him 15th, 13th, 22nd, 26th and 20th over the past 4+ seasons.
So let me know where you are going with that one...
One was caught by Odell
One was brought back by penalty
One was a bad throw by Eli.
3 positive plays out of 5. One called back by penalty.
We need to have more opportunities to throw deep and that’s on the OLIne. Only having one chance a game for a TD isn’t enough either.
It was NOT a bad throw by Eli. He placed it exactly where it was suppose to be. OBJ didn't run the route correctly and bumped into the DB. That killed the timing of the play.
OBJ even clarified it further in his latest interview he needed to work on the depth of his routes ..