which probably shifted down 3-4 spots as the result of new contract extensions the past year or two - the Giants have to go back to winning games *because* of Eli, not *with* Eli.
You win games with Sterling Shepard. You win games with Evan Engram. You win games *because* of Landon Collins, OBJ, and hopefully Barkley. Difference makers, who have earned the right to be paid towards the top of the market (LC's big extension is coming up, Barkley already makes great money for a RB). Eli has to get back to being in that bracket.
yes. While football is a team game and anyone from a punt returner to a tackle can impact a game with a great play or a gaffe, the QB is the maestro, the general, the heart of the team not just one of the members of the orchestra, soldier or tissue. He touches the ball on every snap, diagnoses defended andaudibles if necessary, improvised when receivers are covered or a block is missed etc. It is the most important position on the field By a long shot
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Eli isn’t paid like an elite QB. His $21m ranks 11th and is $1m from 15th. The top 7 QB make $25m to $33m.
That’s misleading. Eli was the highest paid player in the game when he signed the deal. The ranking in salaries is a function of when the deal was signed, not the magnitude of what he signed. The deal was one that would be offered to an elite QB and should come with equivalent expectations.
Eli isn’t paid like an elite QB. His $21m ranks 11th and is $1m from 15th. The top 7 QB make $25m to $33m.
That’s misleading. Eli was the highest paid player in the game when he signed the deal. The ranking in salaries is a function of when the deal was signed, not the magnitude of what he signed. The deal was one that would be offered to an elite QB and should come with equivalent expectations.
The reality is that almost every even decent starting QB becomes the highest paid player when they get a new contract. Heck, Alex Smith makes more than Eli as does Joe Flacco and Tom Brady makes less. So, Eli's salary isn't all that important when it comes to expectations. Calling him out on his salary doesn't tell you anything about his talent. I expect more from him as well but it's not because of what he earns.
That is more true more decently then when he signed it. Some of that has to do with desperation of some of the teams signing recent deals and market at the time. At the time Eli signed his deal, there was no doubt it was an elite QB contract.
And as far as I'm concerned, this offense, for all it's weapons, is really, really bad. We shouldn't be happy with 20 points in Dallas, but I think it will be a pleasant surprise to score that much. I can't imagine what it will feel like to score thirty again, even if it's just once. Forget about regularly scoring 30.
People were upset about the Eli benching and what it did to tarnish his legacy. This string of offensive futility is doing much more to tarnish it than the benching ever could
Dak led Dallas to 14 in the fourth to beat Bettcher and the Cards 28-17. Dez and Whiten only caught 3 balls and Zeke had just 80 yards.
All those talking about how Dallas won't score on this defense are awfully confident based on one half vs Bortles, Yeldon, and Cole...at home in the rain.
Also, a lot of folks are saying the offense just needs more reps together and to play a defense that isn't potentially leauge's best. I agree. However more reps is also more film. Dallas has a full game film that Jacksonville didn't.
I agree the Giants match up well vs Dallas and I agree they need to learn how to win a close game. I do not agree that the Giants are set for a laugher. This'll be a dogfight.
This is a different game then last week. Divisional game on Sunday night, national TV against a hated rival. Dallas will not be a pushover, especially given their defense. They can pressure the QB and have LBers that can run. Lee always is a PIA in these games. Lawrence, if not limited, will have a hey day against arguably the worst Tackle in the league. If Eli can’t get the ball to these playmakers then it’ll be a long night. I think our playmakers will have to hit a few home runs in this game.
I watched Dallas last week. They are awful, and our team is strong in areas that they are awful. We have a very good to great Defensive line and a reasonably good linebacker corps -- we should be able to contain Dak and Elliot
Dak does not have a good arm and he does not have a whole lot of weapons to throw to. Bad combo.
I give you that Rod Marinelli is one of the best in the business and he can coach the heck out of a defense of no names - but the Dallas defense looked average to me last week - they have a couple of guys we have to watch out for - but we should be able to scheme against.
This is definitely a test game for both Shurmur and Eli -- they both have to produce results -- the Giants have one of the best and most balanced skill set teams on offense in the NFL -- if they can't score at least 4 TDs against the Cowboys -- something is very wrong -- and I agree the onus for that is on Eli Manning -- he's got to start connecting and getting scores out of this group and this is the perfect opportunity to demonstrate that he can still do that.
If this game goes badly -- it's going to mark the beginning of the end for Eli Manning - but if it goes well -- there will be fuel for Eli making a statement -
We would all prefer the statement -- it's in there -- go and get it!!!
is their defensive front. Harrison and Tomlinson/Hill versus Looney and Connor Williams is a big mismatch. The front needs to collapse the pocket in order to put pressure on Prescott and force him to make mistakes. If Dallas can neutralize the Giants DL this game will be close.
If the Giants stop Elliott and contain Prescott then they should win comfortably.
I watched Dallas last week. They are awful, and our team is strong in areas that they are awful. We have a very good to great Defensive line and a reasonably good linebacker corps -- we should be able to contain Dak and Elliot
Dak does not have a good arm and he does not have a whole lot of weapons to throw to. Bad combo.
I give you that Rod Marinelli is one of the best in the business and he can coach the heck out of a defense of no names - but the Dallas defense looked average to me last week - they have a couple of guys we have to watch out for - but we should be able to scheme against.
This is definitely a test game for both Shurmur and Eli -- they both have to produce results -- the Giants have one of the best and most balanced skill set teams on offense in the NFL -- if they can't score at least 4 TDs against the Cowboys -- something is very wrong -- and I agree the onus for that is on Eli Manning -- he's got to start connecting and getting scores out of this group and this is the perfect opportunity to demonstrate that he can still do that.
If this game goes badly -- it's going to mark the beginning of the end for Eli Manning - but if it goes well -- there will be fuel for Eli making a statement -
We would all prefer the statement -- it's in there -- go and get it!!!
I watched Dallas last week. They are awful, and our team is strong in areas that they are awful. We have a very good to great Defensive line and a reasonably good linebacker corps -- we should be able to contain Dak and Elliot
Dak does not have a good arm and he does not have a whole lot of weapons to throw to. Bad combo.
I give you that Rod Marinelli is one of the best in the business and he can coach the heck out of a defense of no names - but the Dallas defense looked average to me last week - they have a couple of guys we have to watch out for - but we should be able to scheme against.
This is definitely a test game for both Shurmur and Eli -- they both have to produce results -- the Giants have one of the best and most balanced skill set teams on offense in the NFL -- if they can't score at least 4 TDs against the Cowboys -- something is very wrong -- and I agree the onus for that is on Eli Manning -- he's got to start connecting and getting scores out of this group and this is the perfect opportunity to demonstrate that he can still do that.
If this game goes badly -- it's going to mark the beginning of the end for Eli Manning - but if it goes well -- there will be fuel for Eli making a statement -
We would all prefer the statement -- it's in there -- go and get it!!!
The Jaguars are a SB contender and flat out a better team than we are right now. The Cowboys on the other hand? I don't think they're a very good team, probably legitimately bad until their OL gets right and some weapons step up. Their defense is solid and should be respected but that offense will look like ours did last year in the early going.
If we don't win this game then we are in for another long season.
I watched Dallas last week. They are awful, and our team is strong in areas that they are awful. We have a very good to great Defensive line and a reasonably good linebacker corps -- we should be able to contain Dak and Elliot
Dak does not have a good arm and he does not have a whole lot of weapons to throw to. Bad combo.
I give you that Rod Marinelli is one of the best in the business and he can coach the heck out of a defense of no names - but the Dallas defense looked average to me last week - they have a couple of guys we have to watch out for - but we should be able to scheme against.
This is definitely a test game for both Shurmur and Eli -- they both have to produce results -- the Giants have one of the best and most balanced skill set teams on offense in the NFL -- if they can't score at least 4 TDs against the Cowboys -- something is very wrong -- and I agree the onus for that is on Eli Manning -- he's got to start connecting and getting scores out of this group and this is the perfect opportunity to demonstrate that he can still do that.
If this game goes badly -- it's going to mark the beginning of the end for Eli Manning - but if it goes well -- there will be fuel for Eli making a statement -
We would all prefer the statement -- it's in there -- go and get it!!!
This is pretty good assessment. Lets see
Everybody leaves out the most important part. If the line blocks, even half way decently, Eli will deliver. If not he'll look fair to midland. It's that simple. The OL needs, absolutely, needs to play better. Let's stop leaving that out when talking about Eli.
I watched Dallas last week. They are awful, and our team is strong in areas that they are awful. We have a very good to great Defensive line and a reasonably good linebacker corps -- we should be able to contain Dak and Elliot
Dak does not have a good arm and he does not have a whole lot of weapons to throw to. Bad combo.
I give you that Rod Marinelli is one of the best in the business and he can coach the heck out of a defense of no names - but the Dallas defense looked average to me last week - they have a couple of guys we have to watch out for - but we should be able to scheme against.
This is definitely a test game for both Shurmur and Eli -- they both have to produce results -- the Giants have one of the best and most balanced skill set teams on offense in the NFL -- if they can't score at least 4 TDs against the Cowboys -- something is very wrong -- and I agree the onus for that is on Eli Manning -- he's got to start connecting and getting scores out of this group and this is the perfect opportunity to demonstrate that he can still do that.
If this game goes badly -- it's going to mark the beginning of the end for Eli Manning - but if it goes well -- there will be fuel for Eli making a statement -
We would all prefer the statement -- it's in there -- go and get it!!!
I don’t follow the logic. DG just pushed his chips in the middle all in on Eli and he and his HC have gone on record over and over about him. So now we watch this game closely and if it doesn’t goe well it’s the beginning of the end for Eli? If things don’t go well, not specifically this game, but this season, then the beginning of the end for Eli started two years ago except our GM failed to see it and blew a franchise altering opportunity as a result. This team is building around a 37 year old QB. If we are at the end, we’re in trouble.
Shumur says Giants will go as far as the OL takes us Â
True words. Cowboys lost to a Panther team with a good defense and a fair offense. Newton has few weapons and won this game with his feet not his inaccurate passes. Dak was bad last week and we should be able to stop Zeke and Beasley. My concern is our OL. Can we open holes and protect Eli. We are better than Dallas and the coach needs to game plan to give our skill players an opportunity to make plays.
You win games with Sterling Shepard. You win games with Evan Engram. You win games *because* of Landon Collins, OBJ, and hopefully Barkley. Difference makers, who have earned the right to be paid towards the top of the market (LC's big extension is coming up, Barkley already makes great money for a RB). Eli has to get back to being in that bracket.
...Dallas is 0-1 and they are now AT HOME against a DIVISION RIVAL in PRIMETIME.
They are going to be fired up, and among all the things the Giants have to do... they must also match Dallas' intensity, especially out of the gate.
The Giants are not good enough to start this game flat and still come out winners!!!
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Eli isn’t paid like an elite QB. His $21m ranks 11th and is $1m from 15th. The top 7 QB make $25m to $33m.
That’s misleading. Eli was the highest paid player in the game when he signed the deal. The ranking in salaries is a function of when the deal was signed, not the magnitude of what he signed. The deal was one that would be offered to an elite QB and should come with equivalent expectations.
The reality is that almost every even decent starting QB becomes the highest paid player when they get a new contract. Heck, Alex Smith makes more than Eli as does Joe Flacco and Tom Brady makes less. So, Eli's salary isn't all that important when it comes to expectations. Calling him out on his salary doesn't tell you anything about his talent. I expect more from him as well but it's not because of what he earns.
And as far as I'm concerned, this offense, for all it's weapons, is really, really bad. We shouldn't be happy with 20 points in Dallas, but I think it will be a pleasant surprise to score that much. I can't imagine what it will feel like to score thirty again, even if it's just once. Forget about regularly scoring 30.
People were upset about the Eli benching and what it did to tarnish his legacy. This string of offensive futility is doing much more to tarnish it than the benching ever could
All those talking about how Dallas won't score on this defense are awfully confident based on one half vs Bortles, Yeldon, and Cole...at home in the rain.
Also, a lot of folks are saying the offense just needs more reps together and to play a defense that isn't potentially leauge's best. I agree. However more reps is also more film. Dallas has a full game film that Jacksonville didn't.
I agree the Giants match up well vs Dallas and I agree they need to learn how to win a close game. I do not agree that the Giants are set for a laugher. This'll be a dogfight.
I watched Dallas last week. They are awful, and our team is strong in areas that they are awful. We have a very good to great Defensive line and a reasonably good linebacker corps -- we should be able to contain Dak and Elliot
Dak does not have a good arm and he does not have a whole lot of weapons to throw to. Bad combo.
I give you that Rod Marinelli is one of the best in the business and he can coach the heck out of a defense of no names - but the Dallas defense looked average to me last week - they have a couple of guys we have to watch out for - but we should be able to scheme against.
This is definitely a test game for both Shurmur and Eli -- they both have to produce results -- the Giants have one of the best and most balanced skill set teams on offense in the NFL -- if they can't score at least 4 TDs against the Cowboys -- something is very wrong -- and I agree the onus for that is on Eli Manning -- he's got to start connecting and getting scores out of this group and this is the perfect opportunity to demonstrate that he can still do that.
If this game goes badly -- it's going to mark the beginning of the end for Eli Manning - but if it goes well -- there will be fuel for Eli making a statement -
We would all prefer the statement -- it's in there -- go and get it!!!
Any team putting Cody Latimer and Russel Shepard on the field for a hundred snaps is somewhere short of scary.
If the Giants stop Elliott and contain Prescott then they should win comfortably.
I watched Dallas last week. They are awful, and our team is strong in areas that they are awful. We have a very good to great Defensive line and a reasonably good linebacker corps -- we should be able to contain Dak and Elliot
Dak does not have a good arm and he does not have a whole lot of weapons to throw to. Bad combo.
I give you that Rod Marinelli is one of the best in the business and he can coach the heck out of a defense of no names - but the Dallas defense looked average to me last week - they have a couple of guys we have to watch out for - but we should be able to scheme against.
This is definitely a test game for both Shurmur and Eli -- they both have to produce results -- the Giants have one of the best and most balanced skill set teams on offense in the NFL -- if they can't score at least 4 TDs against the Cowboys -- something is very wrong -- and I agree the onus for that is on Eli Manning -- he's got to start connecting and getting scores out of this group and this is the perfect opportunity to demonstrate that he can still do that.
If this game goes badly -- it's going to mark the beginning of the end for Eli Manning - but if it goes well -- there will be fuel for Eli making a statement -
We would all prefer the statement -- it's in there -- go and get it!!!
Great post.
+1
Engram needs to start playing like a 1st round playmaker. No more drops.
I watched Dallas last week. They are awful, and our team is strong in areas that they are awful. We have a very good to great Defensive line and a reasonably good linebacker corps -- we should be able to contain Dak and Elliot
Dak does not have a good arm and he does not have a whole lot of weapons to throw to. Bad combo.
I give you that Rod Marinelli is one of the best in the business and he can coach the heck out of a defense of no names - but the Dallas defense looked average to me last week - they have a couple of guys we have to watch out for - but we should be able to scheme against.
This is definitely a test game for both Shurmur and Eli -- they both have to produce results -- the Giants have one of the best and most balanced skill set teams on offense in the NFL -- if they can't score at least 4 TDs against the Cowboys -- something is very wrong -- and I agree the onus for that is on Eli Manning -- he's got to start connecting and getting scores out of this group and this is the perfect opportunity to demonstrate that he can still do that.
If this game goes badly -- it's going to mark the beginning of the end for Eli Manning - but if it goes well -- there will be fuel for Eli making a statement -
We would all prefer the statement -- it's in there -- go and get it!!!
This is pretty good assessment. Lets see
Just like Erik Flowers, facts won’t get in the way of bashing Eli.
If we don't win this game then we are in for another long season.
The line between 3-13 and Super Bowl champ was pretty thin twice last year.
The Giants need go out and pass and run block worth a shit to even start the conversation about being an average team.
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I'm watching this game closely --
I watched Dallas last week. They are awful, and our team is strong in areas that they are awful. We have a very good to great Defensive line and a reasonably good linebacker corps -- we should be able to contain Dak and Elliot
Dak does not have a good arm and he does not have a whole lot of weapons to throw to. Bad combo.
I give you that Rod Marinelli is one of the best in the business and he can coach the heck out of a defense of no names - but the Dallas defense looked average to me last week - they have a couple of guys we have to watch out for - but we should be able to scheme against.
This is definitely a test game for both Shurmur and Eli -- they both have to produce results -- the Giants have one of the best and most balanced skill set teams on offense in the NFL -- if they can't score at least 4 TDs against the Cowboys -- something is very wrong -- and I agree the onus for that is on Eli Manning -- he's got to start connecting and getting scores out of this group and this is the perfect opportunity to demonstrate that he can still do that.
If this game goes badly -- it's going to mark the beginning of the end for Eli Manning - but if it goes well -- there will be fuel for Eli making a statement -
We would all prefer the statement -- it's in there -- go and get it!!!
This is pretty good assessment. Lets see
Everybody leaves out the most important part. If the line blocks, even half way decently, Eli will deliver. If not he'll look fair to midland. It's that simple. The OL needs, absolutely, needs to play better. Let's stop leaving that out when talking about Eli.
I watched Dallas last week. They are awful, and our team is strong in areas that they are awful. We have a very good to great Defensive line and a reasonably good linebacker corps -- we should be able to contain Dak and Elliot
Dak does not have a good arm and he does not have a whole lot of weapons to throw to. Bad combo.
I give you that Rod Marinelli is one of the best in the business and he can coach the heck out of a defense of no names - but the Dallas defense looked average to me last week - they have a couple of guys we have to watch out for - but we should be able to scheme against.
This is definitely a test game for both Shurmur and Eli -- they both have to produce results -- the Giants have one of the best and most balanced skill set teams on offense in the NFL -- if they can't score at least 4 TDs against the Cowboys -- something is very wrong -- and I agree the onus for that is on Eli Manning -- he's got to start connecting and getting scores out of this group and this is the perfect opportunity to demonstrate that he can still do that.
If this game goes badly -- it's going to mark the beginning of the end for Eli Manning - but if it goes well -- there will be fuel for Eli making a statement -
We would all prefer the statement -- it's in there -- go and get it!!!