Very eloquently summarizes what Eli WAS, what he is now, and the major risk the Giants took going all in on him, by foregoing reshaping the franchise with Darnold, as well the risk in taking a running back so high.
The most poignant thing in the article, I believe and also agree with, is that anything less than a Super Bowl title with Eli is likely unacceptable. The Giants made a short term decision, very possibly at the expense of the next. 10-15 years as I believe the Giants are headed for a long search for their next franchise qb. Time will tell. Onto Dallas.
on one hand it gives you all you need to hear to think we are headed to the SB with Eli leading the charge, and then they throw some reality at you and make you question all of it.
I have been a strong advocate for moving on from Eli, but I would like nothing more than for this guy and this team to shove it down everyone's throat (mine included) and win one more time.
Good article. Gotta prove some of us on BBI wrong though Eli.... Â
"Week 1 didn't provide much reassurance, though. No, a 20-15 loss to Jacksonville raised more questions than answers. Sure, Manning stared down Yannick Ngakoue and miraculously spun out of a sack with the elusiveness of a quarterback half his age. But then he also had a tipped ball pick-sixed, overthrew an open Beckham on what looked like a sure score, underthrew Shepard on his final throw of the day, checked down to a running back when Beckham had a step on a linebacker deep middle and finished with a grisly 67.8 passer rating."
to see Gettleman and Accorsi applying cold towels to Mara's face as he lies on his couch rubbing rosary beads and praying that Darnold does not work out for the Jets...
that the Giants failed to reshape their future is that drafting Sam Darnold would have failed to guarantee any of that.
Look at the current state of this O-Line. Does anyone really think a rookie QB would do better behind it? An even better question is does anyone think a rookie QB would be more safe?
Assume for a minute Darnold was behind that shitshow we saw on Sunday. Even if he took off and ran more than Eli does that make him safer? A rookie/young QB behind a terrible OL is a recipe for disaster. Look at David Carr. As great as Luck is, look at what happened there. The Colts are still trying to build consistency around him 6 years, 1 AFC title game and multiple injuries later.
All of this assumes, of course, that Darnold is going to be a lock down franchise stud QB, which, as of now is anything but guaranteed.
For those who believe Eli can still get the job done, as Shurmur stated he clearly does, it's likely they see a 2-3 year window as opposed to just one year that the doomsday scenario people like to say.
There are also a million other ways to obtain the next QB of this franchise aside from taking Sam Darnold (or any other QB in this past draft).
Wentz and Goff went in 16.
Mahomes and Watson in 17.
There were a few good ones in 18 just as there will be in 19 and/or 20, plus possibly Kyle Lauletta and Shurmur's ability to develop him, plus trades/FA.
makes it seem that the giants strategy will either be brilliant or disastrous and not in between. I disagree - there is a lot of potential grey area and permutations - what if the next two seasons are non playoff seasons, but barkley looks like the next barry sanders (even if darnold continues to play at a high level)?
The argument I believe they put forth in the article is that 2 years from now Barkley will be almost half way through his prime years (assuming a RB is only going to give you 5-6 great years) and we will be looking for a rookie QB.
whereas a Darnold (or some other QB drafted this year) will just be entering their prime.
The argument I believe they put forth in the article is that 2 years from now Barkley will be almost half way through his prime years (assuming a RB is only going to give you 5-6 great years) and we will be looking for a rookie QB.
whereas a Darnold (or some other QB drafted this year) will just be entering their prime.
fair enough. however, if the giants don't make the playoffs this year or next year , but barkley looks great and lauletta develops into a starter, then the move to stick with Eli could be neither brilliant nor disastrous. the article made it seem like it was an either-or proposition.
The argument I believe they put forth in the article is that 2 years from now Barkley will be almost half way through his prime years (assuming a RB is only going to give you 5-6 great years) and we will be looking for a rookie QB.
whereas a Darnold (or some other QB drafted this year) will just be entering their prime.
Not only that, but you wouldn't be wrong in assuming that the NFL is going to make it even safer for QBs. So that could mean even greater longevity...
And reminds us why we Giants fans love Eli, even those like me who wanted Darnold.
I agree with all the positions taken by the writer. From Eli is one tough SOB, who played great in the biggest of spots, to the idea that the Giants decision baring a Super Bowl will be tied to Darnold s success.
But for now the article is a reminder of why all Giants fans need to get behind Eli.
to see Gettleman and Accorsi applying cold towels to Mara's face as he lies on his couch rubbing rosary beads and praying that Darnold does not work out for the Jets...
Darnold was never an alternative for the Giants. Might get as well pick any random p,ayer’s name and substitute it. Or all. Which, of course would be lots and lots of towels.
But for now the article is a reminder of why all Giants fans need to get behind Eli.
I don't think fan support for Eli is an issue. I never got the sense that the fans in the stands were booing Eli or in any were not "getting behind" him. If anything I think he's gotten a bit of a pass, based on previous performance and the 2 SB trophies.
tidbit from that article was how last year McAdoo asked eli to change his footwork when he was in shotgun and how he had to adjust to that after being trained in a different way for the first 13 years of his career. almost like having to change your golf swing with a new teacher.
tidbit from that article was how last year McAdoo asked eli to change his footwork when he was in shotgun and how he had to adjust to that after being trained in a different way for the first 13 years of his career. almost like having to change your golf swing with a new teacher.
Ridiculous at the time and proved to be even worse later. ELI grew up in a football family that produced two great hall of fame QBs. and ELI had won two himself as MVP in both. Then this arrogant asshole wants to change everything. WTF hired him. If it was TC then he has to take some of the heat even though I loved him.
Another contribution to the endless debate about Eli. He is not going to suddenly become fleet-footed or more accurate on the short or deep throws just because he wants to.
I really believe that the key to this season is more about Shurmur than Eli. He was hired because he seems to get the most out of his QBs regardless of their skills. I think that the gamble here is that Shurmur can develop an offense that maximizes Eli in his declining years and allowed the Giants to go for the home-run in Barkley, rather than the long-term in Rosen or Darnold. Major gamble by DG and based upon some of his other gambles here and in Carolina, I have no clue whether this one works or not.
Loved the impressions shared from his team mates, especially over on the defensive side of the ball; the real respect they have for Eli. And the disdain for McAdoo. Makes me sick how that fool McAdoo was allowed to tinker with Eli’s footwork like that.
on this board and they will act accordingly every time.
Long time NYG fan here and I LOVE Eli, but he has become the David Wright of the organization: Face of the franchise...stand-up guy...hard-worker...etc. etc. but has shown a propensity for just NOT GETTING IT DONE in critical situations the past 5 years...
He has certainly been less of the problem these past few seasons, but he has definitely NOT been part of the solution. Look at Brady...Rogers...Brees...Ryan...there are games where the rest of the team sucked, and these guys single-handedly took the yoke themselves and produced a win...when has Eli done this??
on this board and they will act accordingly every time.
Are there really Eli haters? The man that QB’d the Giants to two Super Bowl titles? Do Giants fans actually hate him? Doubtful. There are Giants fans that wanted to move in a different direction (Eli Doubters). Hell, I wanted them to draft Darnold when he was sitting there on the board. The fact that Eli is still the starting QB of the Giants is on Shurmur, Gettleman, and Mara. Eli is giving it all he has like he always has. He may not be his old self, but until the Giants get someone better, we ride with Eli.
on this board and they will act accordingly every time.
Long time NYG fan here and I LOVE Eli, but he has become the David Wright of the organization: Face of the franchise...stand-up guy...hard-worker...etc. etc. but has shown a propensity for just NOT GETTING IT DONE in critical situations the past 5 years...
He has certainly been less of the problem these past few seasons, but he has definitely NOT been part of the solution. Look at Brady...Rogers...Brees...Ryan...there are games where the rest of the team sucked, and these guys single-handedly took the yoke themselves and produced a win...when has Eli done this??
Say what you want about Eli, I wanted Darnold and I think RBs are becoming a dime a dozen but I finally realized why I will always love Eli ....Matt Ryan. Ryan is a great QB but he is a LOSER. I'm not talking 2-12 loser, he just doesn't get it done. Eli has TWICE and I don't care how.
is the 5 guys that block in front of him...It could take 2-3 years if we are lucky to get a line in front of him, and Eli will be 2-3 years older....and it will be too late....Eli's window is on the left....
Who easily fall for narrative. There's a good chance Eli plays into his 40s.
Reality and analysis, gumby Eli is the least of the old QBs to go into "steep decline". And seems like many on here never watched baseball, your legs go out before your arm.
Who easily fall for narrative. There's a good chance Eli plays into his 40s.
Reality and analysis, gumby Eli is the least of the old QBs to go into "steep decline". And seems like many on here never watched baseball, your legs go out before your arm.
So now we’re betting on Eli being effective into his 40s? He hasn’t looked effective in his late 30s, but we’re going to assume he’s found the fountain of youth and turn the clock back 4 seasons. Are we also going to ride the excuse of a right tackle blowing up an entire nfl season for a franchise qb?
Also, what is the basis for your “reality and analysis” of Eli being the least of the old qbs in steep decline? I am correct in the assumption that you have a detailed study that you can highlight in support of your conclusion. Assuming all of us dumb bbi posters can understand your big words, we should see statistical evidentiary support in favor of Eli in less decline than Brady, Brees, Rodgers, etc. You know, the older qbs in “steep” decline.
If I were a betting man, I’d say your “analysis” is solely based on the fact that Eli plays, and not grounded in the reality of his physical capabilities and the actual effect he has on the field.
Please post, all of us dumb bbi’ers could you some edumacation to learn us good.
The most poignant thing in the article, I believe and also agree with, is that anything less than a Super Bowl title with Eli is likely unacceptable. The Giants made a short term decision, very possibly at the expense of the next. 10-15 years as I believe the Giants are headed for a long search for their next franchise qb. Time will tell. Onto Dallas.
I have been a strong advocate for moving on from Eli, but I would like nothing more than for this guy and this team to shove it down everyone's throat (mine included) and win one more time.
Look at the current state of this O-Line. Does anyone really think a rookie QB would do better behind it? An even better question is does anyone think a rookie QB would be more safe?
Assume for a minute Darnold was behind that shitshow we saw on Sunday. Even if he took off and ran more than Eli does that make him safer? A rookie/young QB behind a terrible OL is a recipe for disaster. Look at David Carr. As great as Luck is, look at what happened there. The Colts are still trying to build consistency around him 6 years, 1 AFC title game and multiple injuries later.
All of this assumes, of course, that Darnold is going to be a lock down franchise stud QB, which, as of now is anything but guaranteed.
For those who believe Eli can still get the job done, as Shurmur stated he clearly does, it's likely they see a 2-3 year window as opposed to just one year that the doomsday scenario people like to say.
There are also a million other ways to obtain the next QB of this franchise aside from taking Sam Darnold (or any other QB in this past draft).
Wentz and Goff went in 16.
Mahomes and Watson in 17.
There were a few good ones in 18 just as there will be in 19 and/or 20, plus possibly Kyle Lauletta and Shurmur's ability to develop him, plus trades/FA.
whereas a Darnold (or some other QB drafted this year) will just be entering their prime.
whereas a Darnold (or some other QB drafted this year) will just be entering their prime.
whereas a Darnold (or some other QB drafted this year) will just be entering their prime.
Not only that, but you wouldn't be wrong in assuming that the NFL is going to make it even safer for QBs. So that could mean even greater longevity...
I agree with all the positions taken by the writer. From Eli is one tough SOB, who played great in the biggest of spots, to the idea that the Giants decision baring a Super Bowl will be tied to Darnold s success.
But for now the article is a reminder of why all Giants fans need to get behind Eli.
Darnold was never an alternative for the Giants. Might get as well pick any random p,ayer’s name and substitute it. Or all. Which, of course would be lots and lots of towels.
I don't think fan support for Eli is an issue. I never got the sense that the fans in the stands were booing Eli or in any were not "getting behind" him. If anything I think he's gotten a bit of a pass, based on previous performance and the 2 SB trophies.
I really believe that the key to this season is more about Shurmur than Eli. He was hired because he seems to get the most out of his QBs regardless of their skills. I think that the gamble here is that Shurmur can develop an offense that maximizes Eli in his declining years and allowed the Giants to go for the home-run in Barkley, rather than the long-term in Rosen or Darnold. Major gamble by DG and based upon some of his other gambles here and in Carolina, I have no clue whether this one works or not.
Long time NYG fan here and I LOVE Eli, but he has become the David Wright of the organization: Face of the franchise...stand-up guy...hard-worker...etc. etc. but has shown a propensity for just NOT GETTING IT DONE in critical situations the past 5 years...
He has certainly been less of the problem these past few seasons, but he has definitely NOT been part of the solution. Look at Brady...Rogers...Brees...Ryan...there are games where the rest of the team sucked, and these guys single-handedly took the yoke themselves and produced a win...when has Eli done this??
Are there really Eli haters? The man that QB’d the Giants to two Super Bowl titles? Do Giants fans actually hate him? Doubtful. There are Giants fans that wanted to move in a different direction (Eli Doubters). Hell, I wanted them to draft Darnold when he was sitting there on the board. The fact that Eli is still the starting QB of the Giants is on Shurmur, Gettleman, and Mara. Eli is giving it all he has like he always has. He may not be his old self, but until the Giants get someone better, we ride with Eli.
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on this board and they will act accordingly every time.
Long time NYG fan here and I LOVE Eli, but he has become the David Wright of the organization: Face of the franchise...stand-up guy...hard-worker...etc. etc. but has shown a propensity for just NOT GETTING IT DONE in critical situations the past 5 years...
He has certainly been less of the problem these past few seasons, but he has definitely NOT been part of the solution. Look at Brady...Rogers...Brees...Ryan...there are games where the rest of the team sucked, and these guys single-handedly took the yoke themselves and produced a win...when has Eli done this??
Matt Ryan? Um, no.
Reality and analysis, gumby Eli is the least of the old QBs to go into "steep decline". And seems like many on here never watched baseball, your legs go out before your arm.
Reality and analysis, gumby Eli is the least of the old QBs to go into "steep decline". And seems like many on here never watched baseball, your legs go out before your arm.
So now we’re betting on Eli being effective into his 40s? He hasn’t looked effective in his late 30s, but we’re going to assume he’s found the fountain of youth and turn the clock back 4 seasons. Are we also going to ride the excuse of a right tackle blowing up an entire nfl season for a franchise qb?
Also, what is the basis for your “reality and analysis” of Eli being the least of the old qbs in steep decline? I am correct in the assumption that you have a detailed study that you can highlight in support of your conclusion. Assuming all of us dumb bbi posters can understand your big words, we should see statistical evidentiary support in favor of Eli in less decline than Brady, Brees, Rodgers, etc. You know, the older qbs in “steep” decline.
If I were a betting man, I’d say your “analysis” is solely based on the fact that Eli plays, and not grounded in the reality of his physical capabilities and the actual effect he has on the field.
Please post, all of us dumb bbi’ers could you some edumacation to learn us good.