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NFT: Mets at Red Sox Game 2

ZGiants98 : 9/15/2018 1:22 pm
Mets Lineup

Amed Rosario (R) SS
Jeff McNeil (L) 2B
Michael Conforto (L) LF
Jay Bruce (L) DH
Todd Frazier (R) 3B
Brandon Nimmo (L) RF
Dominic Smith (L) 1B
Kevin Plawecki (R) C
Austin Jackson (R) CF

Red Sox Lineup

Mookie Betts (R) RF
Andrew Benintendi (L) LF
J.D. Martinez (R) DH
Xander Bogaerts (R) SS
Steve Pearce (R) 1B
Ian Kinsler (R) 2B
Jackie Bradley Jr. (L) CF
Rafael Devers (L) 3B
Sandy Leon (S) C
Jesus Christ does Jackson have to play  
Rob in Rockaway : 9/15/2018 2:58 pm : link
every fucking day??? There has to be some kid in the Minors we could be giving a look at.
RE: Jesus Christ does Jackson have to play  
speedywheels : 9/15/2018 3:07 pm : link
In comment 14075625 Rob in Rockaway said:
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every fucking day??? There has to be some kid in the Minors we could be giving a look at.


At least McNeil, Nimmo and Smith are playing. But I gave up a long time ago trying to figure out why Jackson plays so much
Nice work Z  
jpkmets : 9/15/2018 3:22 pm : link
Hope Oswalt can keep em close. Obviously the weak game in the series matchup-wise.

Glad to see Austin "Lou Gehrig" Jackson back in.

Oh well, at least he went yard yesterday. Maybe his recent mega-slump is over.

At least the young core of Rosario, McNeil, Conforto and Nimmo ride again.
RE: RE: Jesus Christ does Jackson have to play  
jpkmets : 9/15/2018 3:24 pm : link
In comment 14075628 speedywheels said:
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every fucking day??? There has to be some kid in the Minors we could be giving a look at.



At least McNeil, Nimmo and Smith are playing. But I gave up a long time ago trying to figure out why Jackson plays so much


Less miserable to see him in the AL park, I guess. None of the young players I want to see are really suffering for it this weekend.

But, man, I hope we go with Conforto, Nimmo, Bruce/Smith OF rest of the way with the other one of those last two playing first.

Pretty sure we'll see Nimmo and/or Smith riding pine against lefties tho, which is silly.
Nimmo was is the third best hitter in the league  
ZGiants98 : 9/15/2018 5:46 pm : link
Absolutely amazing year.
RE: Nimmo was is the third best hitter in the league  
gmenatlarge : 9/16/2018 9:18 am : link
In comment 14075710 ZGiants98 said:
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Absolutely amazing year.


What league is that.
RE: RE: Nimmo was is the third best hitter in the league  
ZGiants98 : 9/16/2018 9:44 am : link
In comment 14075985 gmenatlarge said:
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Absolutely amazing year.



What league is that.


The National League.
Only Goldschmidt and Yelich have been better  
ZGiants98 : 9/16/2018 9:45 am : link
and by a HAIR.
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See, this is the problem with hinging your declarations on  
PhiPsi125 : 9/16/2018 10:07 am : link
the newest fad statistic. I love what Nimmo has done this year. But in no way do I believe he’s the third best offensive player in the NL. Even looking at EVERY other statistic aside from wRC+, Nimmo doesn’t sniff the third best spot. And this really makes me question these types of stats.
Forget wRC+  
ZGiants98 : 9/16/2018 10:14 am : link
He's third in regular ol' OPS. He's cleared more bases than every other other player in the league except two based on the amount of atbats he's had. Isnt that the most significant duty of a hitter? Really dont think that's a fad but thats just me.
RE: Only Goldschmidt and Yelich have been better  
Jay on the Island : 9/16/2018 10:24 am : link
In comment 14076015 ZGiants98 said:
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and by a HAIR. Link - ( New Window )

Why aren't Acuna and Soto on that list? Acuna has a 152 wRC+ and Soto has a 154 wRC+
RE: Forget wRC+  
Jay on the Island : 9/16/2018 10:27 am : link
In comment 14076042 ZGiants98 said:
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He's third in regular ol' OPS. He's cleared more bases than every other other player in the league except two based on the amount of atbats he's had. Isnt that the most significant duty of a hitter? Really dont think that's a fad but thats just me.

He's 7th, 9th if you include Soto and Acuna, in the NL in OPS.
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Soto and Acuna didn't qualify  
ZGiants98 : 9/16/2018 10:38 am : link
That's standardized. I didn't do it.

As for OPS. FINE. Showing Nimmo is in the 7th in the league is the same thing. Obviously the purpose of wRC+ and OPS+ is to make it more fair so somebody like Arenado(who plays in Colorado) and Nimmo (who plays in a cavern) can be compared equally.

My point was to just show Phi that he's one of the best in the league in OPS since some find that easier to understand.
No matter how you slice it  
Shecky : 9/16/2018 10:38 am : link
Nimmo has had a fantastic season.
Scary part is most of the front office didn’t see it coming :(
RE: Soto and Acuna didn't qualify  
Jay on the Island : 9/16/2018 10:41 am : link
In comment 14076057 ZGiants98 said:
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That's standardized. I didn't do it.

As for OPS. FINE. Showing Nimmo is in the 7th in the league is the same thing. Obviously the purpose of wRC+ and OPS+ is to make it more fair so somebody like Arenado(who plays in Colorado) and Nimmo (who plays in a cavern) can be compared equally.

My point was to just show Phi that he's one of the best in the league in OPS since some find that easier to understand.

I wasn't suggesting Nimmo wasn't having a great season. I just don't understand why they didn't include two of the best players in the National league on that list.
Acuna and Soto  
ray in arlington : 9/16/2018 10:43 am : link
Soto needs 62 PA in the Nats remaining 13 games to make the "official" leaderboards. That's 4.8 PA per game which seems too high for him to make it.

Acuna needs 75 PA in Braves remaining 14 games. That's 5.35 PA per game which doesn't seem possible.
RE: Acuna and Soto  
Jay on the Island : 9/16/2018 10:46 am : link
In comment 14076066 ray in arlington said:
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Soto needs 62 PA in the Nats remaining 13 games to make the "official" leaderboards. That's 4.8 PA per game which seems too high for him to make it.

Acuna needs 75 PA in Braves remaining 14 games. That's 5.35 PA per game which doesn't seem possible.

Zobrist is listed with 460, Nimmo 481, Soto 440, Acuna 424.
Yeah they are just a few PA  
ZGiants98 : 9/16/2018 10:47 am : link
Short. Nobody would argue they didn’t have great seasons either though obviously.
You can easily switch the tool from  
ZGiants98 : 9/16/2018 10:49 am : link
“Qualified” to “400 PA” if you wanted to generate a new list.
RE: RE: Acuna and Soto  
ray in arlington : 9/16/2018 10:54 am : link
In comment 14076068 Jay on the Island said:
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Soto needs 62 PA in the Nats remaining 13 games to make the "official" leaderboards. That's 4.8 PA per game which seems too high for him to make it.

Acuna needs 75 PA in Braves remaining 14 games. That's 5.35 PA per game which doesn't seem possible.


Zobrist is listed with 460, Nimmo 481, Soto 440, Acuna 424.


That puts Zobrist and Nimmo are above the 3.1 PA per game threshold, so they are currently on leaderboards.


No argument from me. Nimmo has had a fantastic season.  
PhiPsi125 : 9/16/2018 10:59 am : link
And I understand the statsjust fine. I still don’t think that Nimmo is one of the best offensive players in the league. Doesn’t take away from what he’s done, but come on. He’s great at getting HBPs though lol.
Who do you guys think wins the NL ROY  
Jay on the Island : 9/16/2018 11:45 am : link
This year the award is as close as ever. Soto, Acuna Jr, and Buehler all deserve it.

Soto .304/.421/.534...955 OPS... 154 wRC+ 3.8 fWAR
440 PA 5 SB, 20 HR, .358 BABIP

Acuna Jr. .296/.372/.582....954 OPS...152 wRC+ 4.0 fWAR
427 PA 14 SB, 25 HR, .348 BABIP

Buehler 118.2 IP, 2.88 ERA, 3.14 FIP, 9.94 k/9
0.99 WHIP, 2.6 fWAR
Nimmo had a great season but he's a level below top hitters  
Eric on Li : 9/16/2018 12:24 pm : link
Arenado, Yelich, Goldschmidt, Harper, Freeman, etc. That's not at all a slight to say, just reality - they do more damage. But where he ranks in relation to those guys doesn't matter much, more important is he's a player you can win with just need a few more like him at other positions.
RE: Nimmo had a great season but he's a level below top hitters  
Jay on the Island : 9/16/2018 12:31 pm : link
In comment 14076145 Eric on Li said:
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Arenado, Yelich, Goldschmidt, Harper, Freeman, etc. That's not at all a slight to say, just reality - they do more damage. But where he ranks in relation to those guys doesn't matter much, more important is he's a player you can win with just need a few more like him at other positions.

He's a good player and much better than I thought he would be. He is a very good complimentary player, like a Nick Markakis type in his prime, but not a middle of the order hitter. He is definitely a building block.
RE: Who do you guys think wins the NL ROY  
Eric on Li : 9/16/2018 12:32 pm : link
In comment 14076122 Jay on the Island said:
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This year the award is as close as ever. Soto, Acuna Jr, and Buehler all deserve it.

Soto .304/.421/.534...955 OPS... 154 wRC+ 3.8 fWAR
440 PA 5 SB, 20 HR, .358 BABIP

Acuna Jr. .296/.372/.582....954 OPS...152 wRC+ 4.0 fWAR
427 PA 14 SB, 25 HR, .348 BABIP

Buehler 118.2 IP, 2.88 ERA, 3.14 FIP, 9.94 k/9
0.99 WHIP, 2.6 fWAR


Soto or Acuna and even though it's a cop out co-winners would be perfectly fair. Both had great seasons with only minor nitpicks between them. Soto has walked more and struck out less, Acuna hit for a little more power, also stole more bases and played better D by the metrics. I'd have both of them pretty far ahead of Buehler.
RE: RE: Nimmo had a great season but he's a level below top hitters  
Eric on Li : 9/16/2018 12:37 pm : link
In comment 14076152 Jay on the Island said:
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Arenado, Yelich, Goldschmidt, Harper, Freeman, etc. That's not at all a slight to say, just reality - they do more damage. But where he ranks in relation to those guys doesn't matter much, more important is he's a player you can win with just need a few more like him at other positions.


He's a good player and much better than I thought he would be. He is a very good complimentary player, like a Nick Markakis type in his prime, but not a middle of the order hitter. He is definitely a building block.


Markakis is a good comp. With his hustle I think there's some Gardner there too. Depending on where he ends up settling in the field/lineup could even see him filling a role like Granderson did in his better years as a Met. Definitely a good glue guy to have somewhere in order, but totally agree he's not a true middle of the order hitter. Long term I'd still value Conforto over him for that reason, he has middle order potential - though I hope he can get away from being such a 3 outcome player and goes back to being more of the pure hitter he was when he first came up.
RE: RE: Who do you guys think wins the NL ROY  
Jay on the Island : 9/16/2018 12:48 pm : link
In comment 14076155 Eric on Li said:
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This year the award is as close as ever. Soto, Acuna Jr, and Buehler all deserve it.

Soto .304/.421/.534...955 OPS... 154 wRC+ 3.8 fWAR
440 PA 5 SB, 20 HR, .358 BABIP

Acuna Jr. .296/.372/.582....954 OPS...152 wRC+ 4.0 fWAR
427 PA 14 SB, 25 HR, .348 BABIP

Buehler 118.2 IP, 2.88 ERA, 3.14 FIP, 9.94 k/9
0.99 WHIP, 2.6 fWAR



Soto or Acuna and even though it's a cop out co-winners would be perfectly fair. Both had great seasons with only minor nitpicks between them. Soto has walked more and struck out less, Acuna hit for a little more power, also stole more bases and played better D by the metrics. I'd have both of them pretty far ahead of Buehler.

It's a tough call, had Acuna not missed a month with a knee injury this would be an easy decision. I go back and forth on this.
No Nimmo is a not a step below those players...  
ZGiants98 : 9/17/2018 7:52 pm : link
At least not this year anyway. I cant believe we are still having these conversations in 2018.
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