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Josh Gordon to be cut

dep026 : 9/15/2018 7:34 pm
Browns fed up with him. 12 chances was just too many.
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mrvax : 9/15/2018 8:24 pm : link
In comment 14075786 Diver_Down said:
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Who is clamoring for bringing him in? I certainly am not. I'm just curious regarding his status as a FA or subject to waivers.


Well if he's an RFA next year, I believe he's just like a guy in his 3rd year and likely will go thru waivers, IMO.
2 things  
GmeninPSL : 9/15/2018 8:30 pm : link
even if he ends up with the Cowboys it won't save their season because I get the feeling they are going to be a bad team. Plus, we get the Cowboys tomorrow so zero effect and then we get them at home later in the year. If Dallas wants him, they could have him

secondly, I think this may open up the door for Dez Bryant to be back in the NFL with the Browns.
Buyer beware  
Anakim : 9/15/2018 8:31 pm : link
Physically, he's as talented as any WR in the league. But the kid can't keep his head straight (never mind the injury stuff). A team will take a chance on him, but I don't think he'll ever keep out of trouble.


Though I admit I thought that the Browns would cut bait with Antonio Callaway before Josh Gordon.
RE: Buyer beware  
adamg : 9/15/2018 8:34 pm : link
In comment 14075804 Anakim said:
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Physically, he's as talented as any WR in the league. But the kid can't keep his head straight (never mind the injury stuff). A team will take a chance on him, but I don't think he'll ever keep out of trouble.


Though I admit I thought that the Browns would cut bait with Antonio Callaway before Josh Gordon.


Gordon seems like a prime target for the Bengals.
RE: RE: UConn -  
Diver_Down : 9/15/2018 8:35 pm : link
In comment 14075797 mrvax said:
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In comment 14075786 Diver_Down said:


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Who is clamoring for bringing him in? I certainly am not. I'm just curious regarding his status as a FA or subject to waivers.



Well if he's an RFA next year, I believe he's just like a guy in his 3rd year and likely will go thru waivers, IMO.


I just looked up his contract on Spotrac out of curiosity. He served 2 full year suspension and an additional 4 game suspension in another season. What a trainwreck. I do believe he doesn't have the full 4 years of accrued service and will be subject to waivers.

Some team will take a shot on him. You can't teach speed. Unfortunately, he will likely relapse with his substance abuse. I trust DG, Mara, and Tisch would not entertain taking such a risk. Gordon's next infraction I believe is a permanent ban.
If the Giants  
mrvax : 9/15/2018 8:41 pm : link
brought him in, it would be the polar opposite of what DG has done so far.
Pat Shurmur  
Big Rick in FL : 9/15/2018 8:47 pm : link
Drafted him in Cleveland. I wonder if he'd go after him in NY. We can hope and pray!!
RE: If the Giants  
Big Rick in FL : 9/15/2018 8:50 pm : link
In comment 14075812 mrvax said:
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brought him in, it would be the polar opposite of what DG has done so far.


These are the type of guys you take a chance on IMO. He's young and probably a top 3 talent at WR. Just don't lock him in to a long term deal. Try to win for a year or two with him and then move on. Barkley, Odell, Gordon, Shepard & Engram is ridiculous.
Skins and Pats need WRs  
Boy Cord : 9/15/2018 8:50 pm : link
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RE: Pat Shurmur  
jcn56 : 9/15/2018 8:51 pm : link
In comment 14075813 Big Rick in FL said:
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Drafted him in Cleveland. I wonder if he'd go after him in NY. We can hope and pray!!


If we hope and pray for a guy that can't stay on the field the past 3 years, God will probably just tell us 'haven't you had enough of those guys already?'
RE: RE: RE: UConn -  
Big Rick in FL : 9/15/2018 8:52 pm : link
In comment 14075807 Diver_Down said:
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In comment 14075786 Diver_Down said:


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Who is clamoring for bringing him in? I certainly am not. I'm just curious regarding his status as a FA or subject to waivers.



Well if he's an RFA next year, I believe he's just like a guy in his 3rd year and likely will go thru waivers, IMO.



I just looked up his contract on Spotrac out of curiosity. He served 2 full year suspension and an additional 4 game suspension in another season. What a trainwreck. I do believe he doesn't have the full 4 years of accrued service and will be subject to waivers.

Some team will take a shot on him. You can't teach speed. Unfortunately, he will likely relapse with his substance abuse. I trust DG, Mara, and Tisch would not entertain taking such a risk. Gordon's next infraction I believe is a permanent ban.


He will be a free agent. Not subject to waivers per Joel Corry.
Fear the Cowboys  
Rflairr : 9/15/2018 9:04 pm : link
will sign him
Re: UConn -  
mrvax : 9/15/2018 9:05 pm : link
In comment 14075817 Big Rick in FL said:
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He will be a free agent. Not subject to waivers per Joel Corry.


Not doubting you but that's odd. A player needs a minimum of 6 games to accrue a season credit. Gordon only has 2 of them.
browns will trade him  
nygiants16 : 9/15/2018 9:14 pm : link
apparently they are getting calls on him
RE: RE: If the Giants  
ThatLimerickGuy : 9/15/2018 9:42 pm : link
In comment 14075814 Big Rick in FL said:
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brought him in, it would be the polar opposite of what DG has done so far.



These are the type of guys you take a chance on IMO. He's young and probably a top 3 talent at WR. Just don't lock him in to a long term deal. Try to win for a year or two with him and then move on. Barkley, Odell, Gordon, Shepard & Engram is ridiculous.


Yes Gordon would surely excel in NYC where there are no temptations for regression.
Correct me if I'm wrong  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 9/15/2018 10:20 pm : link
But a player signed during the season, their contract isn't guaranteed? Seems like a low risk, high reward if you brought him in for a season. IMO
RE: Correct me if I'm wrong  
BigBlue4You09 : 9/15/2018 10:23 pm : link
In comment 14075837 Tim in Eternal Blue said:
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But a player signed during the season, their contract isn't guaranteed? Seems like a low risk, high reward if you brought him in for a season. IMO


Not if hes traded which it sounds like he will be
RE: RE: Correct me if I'm wrong  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 9/15/2018 10:25 pm : link
In comment 14075838 BigBlue4You09 said:
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But a player signed during the season, their contract isn't guaranteed? Seems like a low risk, high reward if you brought him in for a season. IMO



Not if hes traded which it sounds like he will be


That's true and a smart move by CLE if they are looking to move on.
The Browns know the deal  
AcesUp : 9/15/2018 10:34 pm : link
He hasn't failed a test but the absence at the start of TC and the "I pulled a hammy at a promo shoot" add up to something. He's bullshitting. The Browns have resources and they're close to him, they wouldn't be pulling the trigger now unless they knew something. I wouldn't touch him and I'd be legitimately surprised if he ends up anywhere but Dallas.
RE: RE: If the Giants  
Ned In Atlanta : 9/15/2018 11:56 pm : link
In comment 14075814 Big Rick in FL said:
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brought him in, it would be the polar opposite of what DG has done so far.


Hes young ? Hes 28 and he hasnt been able to stay clean since 2014


These are the type of guys you take a chance on IMO. He's young and probably a top 3 talent at WR. Just don't lock him in to a long term deal. Try to win for a year or two with him and then move on. Barkley, Odell, Gordon, Shepard & Engram is ridiculous.
RE: RE: Ok  
Brick72 : 9/16/2018 5:53 am : link
In comment 14075773 bw in dc said:
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Im usually not the type to suggest signing big name players but Gordon is a different story. This is an elite talent with substance abuse problems. Going to a stable organization like the Giants could be just what he needs. Dallas will surely go hard for him which is another reason to bring him in. The Giants want to win another championship with Eli so giving him a weapon like Gordon will certainly help.



All true. But this type of personality being around the temptations of NYC seems very risky...

Exactly. Fer Chrissakes if he's like that in Cleveland what the heck would folks expect to happen in NYC?
He seemed odd  
SomeFan : 9/16/2018 6:20 am : link
in his interviews on HKs. Wouldnt touch him with a barge pole.
trading Gordon?  
Steve in South Jersey : 9/16/2018 6:48 am : link
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Teams already calling the Browns, who league sources believe are far more likely to trade Josh Gordon than release him.
With a trade, the Browns avoid having to pay Gordon his salary.  
Diver_Down : 9/16/2018 8:01 am : link
The new team will get his existing contract salary and use that as a Try before Buy scenario. Giving up a 7th is better than nothing. And it also lets the Browns off the hook for his salary. Apparently despite the years of suspensions, he has the bare minimum requirement to be a vested veteran. As such a veteran is entitled to collect the year's salary as termination pay (once in their career).
The Giants just spent an offseason  
Mike from Ohio : 9/16/2018 8:57 am : link
trying to weed players with bad attitudes off the team. Why is it you think they should now add a guy who is essentially being let go because of his attitude and his problems?

Let Dallas or Cincinnatti have him. He has world's of talent, but this is not the kind of guy who turns a team around for the better.
Shocking  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 9/16/2018 9:14 am : link
Hue Jackson's coaching acumen could not straighten that crackhead out.
Reports are saying  
WillVAB : 9/16/2018 9:59 am : link
Dallas or 49ers.
RE: Shocking  
Jay on the Island : 9/16/2018 10:05 am : link
In comment 14075982 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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Hue Jackson's coaching acumen could not straighten that crackhead out.

He didn't have time, he was too busy reminding Haley and the other assistants that he was the man in charge not them. They need to hear it constantly because nobody understands how on earth this guy wasn't fired after last season.
Great talent (at one point)  
Beer Man : 9/16/2018 10:08 am : link
But:
1. Who knows if he still has it
2. He is a locker room cancer
3. He could be a coach killer

This Giants had a very detrimental team culture last season. DG and PS have been working hard to change that. I don't see them bringing in a player who has been a problem his entire career. This team still has a long way to go and I think Gordon would be a step backwards.
Place your bets on Dallas  
Peppers : 9/16/2018 10:11 am : link
The Cowboys have shown the most interest.
It's worth the gamble IMO  
Jay on the Island : 9/16/2018 11:29 am : link
at the cost of a late round pick and 790,000 salary.
RE: It's worth the gamble IMO  
UConn4523 : 9/16/2018 11:45 am : link
In comment 14076110 Jay on the Island said:
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at the cost of a late round pick and 790,000 salary.


Yeah if attitude and culture was something you dont care about. Its not a matter of asset allocation, its a matter of fucking up chemistry for a guy whos proven to be unreliable. DG just got through getting rid of these types of players.
He is his own worst enemy  
JonC : 9/16/2018 11:56 am : link
that rarely translates well to "team".

No thanks.
RE: RE: It's worth the gamble IMO  
Jay on the Island : 9/16/2018 11:58 am : link
In comment 14076121 UConn4523 said:
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at the cost of a late round pick and 790,000 salary.



Yeah if attitude and culture was something you dont care about. Its not a matter of asset allocation, its a matter of fucking up chemistry for a guy whos proven to be unreliable. DG just got through getting rid of these types of players.

I care about culture but acquiring him will come with no guaranteed money other than the prorated portion of his contract. So if he misbehaves once cut him. If he is becoming a problem cut him. The draft pick offered could be conditional on him being on the roster for a set number of games.
he's played 10 games in 4 years  
Banks : 9/16/2018 12:05 pm : link
He's still young, but I'm not convinced he is the talent he was back in 2013.
RE: RE: RE: It's worth the gamble IMO  
UConn4523 : 9/16/2018 12:15 pm : link
In comment 14076135 Jay on the Island said:
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at the cost of a late round pick and 790,000 salary.



Yeah if attitude and culture was something you dont care about. Its not a matter of asset allocation, its a matter of fucking up chemistry for a guy whos proven to be unreliable. DG just got through getting rid of these types of players.


I care about culture but acquiring him will come with no guaranteed money other than the prorated portion of his contract. So if he misbehaves once cut him. If he is becoming a problem cut him. The draft pick offered could be conditional on him being on the roster for a set number of games.


That really isnt how this works. It it was every team in the nfl would be interested in him. It sends a really poor message to clean house of bad attitudes and players with shitty work ethics only to reach out and get one of the most problematic players in the game.
To me it depends  
pjcas18 : 9/16/2018 12:26 pm : link
what kind of condition he's in physically and mentally, and what CLE wants for him as well as how the Giants legit view this season.

At some point the talent and character lines intersect inversely and the more talent a player has the less character you can tolerate.

Not sure where Gordon is at this time.

If he checks the physical and mental boxes and the Giants believe they're in "win now" mode I think you can take the risk.

Every team can explain it by taking the pov of "we're going to fix Josh Gordon" and that cuts you some slack from the players, media and fans.

I do not have any insight into his physical and mental condition so I trust the GM to make this call.
Hes done in Cleveland because hes always late  
UConn4523 : 9/16/2018 12:31 pm : link
and they think hes faking an injury and/or relapsed. That couldnt be any further away from being mentally ready.
RE: Hes done in Cleveland because hes always late  
pjcas18 : 9/16/2018 12:34 pm : link
In comment 14076149 UConn4523 said:
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and they think hes faking an injury and/or relapsed. That couldnt be any further away from being mentally ready.


We found out after the fact Plaxico was habitually late to meetings and missed many.

He was (in part) the difference between a championship or not.

Also, I don't know if any of us can make the judgment of where a player is mentally based on what a team leaks.

Why would they leak that  
UConn4523 : 9/16/2018 12:36 pm : link
while also try to get compensation for him? Doesnt make sense.

Place I was never a substance abuser, nor did he relapse, nor did he get essentially kicked out of the league. If he was simply a guy that didnt get along with the HC then Id be all for it, but hes an extremely immature and isnt dependable.
RE: RE: RE: RE: It's worth the gamble IMO  
Jay on the Island : 9/16/2018 12:44 pm : link
In comment 14076142 UConn4523 said:
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That really isnt how this works. It it was every team in the nfl would be interested in him. It sends a really poor message to clean house of bad attitudes and players with shitty work ethics only to reach out and get one of the most problematic players in the game.

The Giants did this with Will Hill, he had an issue with weed. The Giants gave him a couple chances and then got rid of him. He wasn't an issue in the lockerroom despite several off the field issues in college.

If the Giants were going to trade for Gordon they would first likely require a discussion with him to see where he is at mentally. Gordon has to know that this might be his last chance in the NFL. Spending his entire career in Cleveland that was a disaster and unstable place certainly wasn't helping him. Sure NYC has temptations but the Giants are a completely different organization. Tyree beat his demons and could theoretically help Gordon.

Chances are the Giants won't show interest but it was just a suggestion. If you disagree fine.
RE: Why would they leak that  
pjcas18 : 9/16/2018 12:47 pm : link
In comment 14076157 UConn4523 said:
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while also try to get compensation for him? Doesnt make sense.

Place I was never a substance abuser, nor did he relapse, nor did he get essentially kicked out of the league. If he was simply a guy that didnt get along with the HC then Id be all for it, but hes an extremely immature and isnt dependable.


So I guess you have all the answers. I do not. I will let the GM make the call.
Of course I dont  
UConn4523 : 9/16/2018 1:12 pm : link
but you made a comparison to Plax which is ridiculous.
RE: Of course I dont  
pjcas18 : 9/16/2018 1:18 pm : link
In comment 14076187 UConn4523 said:
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but you made a comparison to Plax which is ridiculous.


the comparison was to being late to practice and milking an injury which is exactly what Plaxico was accused of.

if Gordon missed a test it has nothing to do with CLE, it's the league who would suspend him. missing a test is a violation of the substance abuse program.
Of course its a Cleveland issue  
UConn4523 : 9/16/2018 1:22 pm : link
a pending suspension could effect trade negotiations.

We dont agree on this, its all good. Dont really care about it, hell never be a giant.
It definitely doesn't sound like a suspension  
Jay on the Island : 9/16/2018 1:41 pm : link
Gordon is hoping for a trade to Dallas or SF. I don't know why he would want to go to Dallas. Dez did not like playing with Prescott because Prescott struggles mightily throwing it downfield which happens to be Gordon's strength.
Because he wants to go where hed get paid  
UConn4523 : 9/16/2018 2:18 pm : link
and Dallas is as likely as any to pay for talent.

Dez is also toast. As much as I dont like Prescott, Dez wasnt good at his job anymore and it had more to do with him being done than Prescott not being a good QB.
RE: Because he wants to go where hed get paid  
Jay on the Island : 9/16/2018 2:50 pm : link
In comment 14076289 UConn4523 said:
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and Dallas is as likely as any to pay for talent.

Dez is also toast. As much as I dont like Prescott, Dez wasnt good at his job anymore and it had more to do with him being done than Prescott not being a good QB.

If he gets traded he will get paid the same regardless. If he wants to go to a team to put up big numbers to make bank in free agency I wouldn't pick Prescott as one of my top choices.
I realize he plays on thsibyears salary  
UConn4523 : 9/16/2018 3:06 pm : link
my point is that JJ likes talented players and has been willing to ignore problematic scenarios. If he goes there, plays well, and bolsters the passing game even a tiny bit, I wouldnt put it past JJ to give him a lot of money.
RE: I realize he plays on thsibyears salary  
Jay on the Island : 9/16/2018 3:16 pm : link
In comment 14076384 UConn4523 said:
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my point is that JJ likes talented players and has been willing to ignore problematic scenarios. If he goes there, plays well, and bolsters the passing game even a tiny bit, I wouldnt put it past JJ to give him a lot of money.

I wouldn't either, Pete Carroll is another option. Carroll has frequently brought in players with off the field concerns and made it work.
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