even if he ends up with the Cowboys it won't save their season because I get the feeling they are going to be a bad team. Plus, we get the Cowboys tomorrow so zero effect and then we get them at home later in the year. If Dallas wants him, they could have him
secondly, I think this may open up the door for Dez Bryant to be back in the NFL with the Browns.
Physically, he's as talented as any WR in the league. But the kid can't keep his head straight (never mind the injury stuff). A team will take a chance on him, but I don't think he'll ever keep out of trouble.
Though I admit I thought that the Browns would cut bait with Antonio Callaway before Josh Gordon.
Physically, he's as talented as any WR in the league. But the kid can't keep his head straight (never mind the injury stuff). A team will take a chance on him, but I don't think he'll ever keep out of trouble.
Though I admit I thought that the Browns would cut bait with Antonio Callaway before Josh Gordon.
Who is clamoring for bringing him in? I certainly am not. I'm just curious regarding his status as a FA or subject to waivers.
Well if he's an RFA next year, I believe he's just like a guy in his 3rd year and likely will go thru waivers, IMO.
I just looked up his contract on Spotrac out of curiosity. He served 2 full year suspension and an additional 4 game suspension in another season. What a trainwreck. I do believe he doesn't have the full 4 years of accrued service and will be subject to waivers.
Some team will take a shot on him. You can't teach speed. Unfortunately, he will likely relapse with his substance abuse. I trust DG, Mara, and Tisch would not entertain taking such a risk. Gordon's next infraction I believe is a permanent ban.
brought him in, it would be the polar opposite of what DG has done so far.
These are the type of guys you take a chance on IMO. He's young and probably a top 3 talent at WR. Just don't lock him in to a long term deal. Try to win for a year or two with him and then move on. Barkley, Odell, Gordon, Shepard & Engram is ridiculous.
Drafted him in Cleveland. I wonder if he'd go after him in NY. We can hope and pray!!
If we hope and pray for a guy that can't stay on the field the past 3 years, God will probably just tell us 'haven't you had enough of those guys already?'
Who is clamoring for bringing him in? I certainly am not. I'm just curious regarding his status as a FA or subject to waivers.
Well if he's an RFA next year, I believe he's just like a guy in his 3rd year and likely will go thru waivers, IMO.
I just looked up his contract on Spotrac out of curiosity. He served 2 full year suspension and an additional 4 game suspension in another season. What a trainwreck. I do believe he doesn't have the full 4 years of accrued service and will be subject to waivers.
Some team will take a shot on him. You can't teach speed. Unfortunately, he will likely relapse with his substance abuse. I trust DG, Mara, and Tisch would not entertain taking such a risk. Gordon's next infraction I believe is a permanent ban.
He will be a free agent. Not subject to waivers per Joel Corry.
brought him in, it would be the polar opposite of what DG has done so far.
These are the type of guys you take a chance on IMO. He's young and probably a top 3 talent at WR. Just don't lock him in to a long term deal. Try to win for a year or two with him and then move on. Barkley, Odell, Gordon, Shepard & Engram is ridiculous.
Yes Gordon would surely excel in NYC where there are no temptations for regression.
He hasn't failed a test but the absence at the start of TC and the "I pulled a hammy at a promo shoot" add up to something. He's bullshitting. The Browns have resources and they're close to him, they wouldn't be pulling the trigger now unless they knew something. I wouldn't touch him and I'd be legitimately surprised if he ends up anywhere but Dallas.
brought him in, it would be the polar opposite of what DG has done so far.
Hes young ? Hes 28 and he hasnt been able to stay clean since 2014
These are the type of guys you take a chance on IMO. He's young and probably a top 3 talent at WR. Just don't lock him in to a long term deal. Try to win for a year or two with him and then move on. Barkley, Odell, Gordon, Shepard & Engram is ridiculous.
Im usually not the type to suggest signing big name players but Gordon is a different story. This is an elite talent with substance abuse problems. Going to a stable organization like the Giants could be just what he needs. Dallas will surely go hard for him which is another reason to bring him in. The Giants want to win another championship with Eli so giving him a weapon like Gordon will certainly help.
All true. But this type of personality being around the temptations of NYC seems very risky...
Exactly. Fer Chrissakes if he's like that in Cleveland what the heck would folks expect to happen in NYC?
The new team will get his existing contract salary and use that as a Try before Buy scenario. Giving up a 7th is better than nothing. And it also lets the Browns off the hook for his salary. Apparently despite the years of suspensions, he has the bare minimum requirement to be a vested veteran. As such a veteran is entitled to collect the year's salary as termination pay (once in their career).
trying to weed players with bad attitudes off the team. Why is it you think they should now add a guy who is essentially being let go because of his attitude and his problems?
Let Dallas or Cincinnatti have him. He has world's of talent, but this is not the kind of guy who turns a team around for the better.
Hue Jackson's coaching acumen could not straighten that crackhead out.
He didn't have time, he was too busy reminding Haley and the other assistants that he was the man in charge not them. They need to hear it constantly because nobody understands how on earth this guy wasn't fired after last season.
But:
1. Who knows if he still has it
2. He is a locker room cancer
3. He could be a coach killer
This Giants had a very detrimental team culture last season. DG and PS have been working hard to change that. I don't see them bringing in a player who has been a problem his entire career. This team still has a long way to go and I think Gordon would be a step backwards.
at the cost of a late round pick and 790,000 salary.
Yeah if attitude and culture was something you dont care about. Its not a matter of asset allocation, its a matter of fucking up chemistry for a guy whos proven to be unreliable. DG just got through getting rid of these types of players.
at the cost of a late round pick and 790,000 salary.
Yeah if attitude and culture was something you dont care about. Its not a matter of asset allocation, its a matter of fucking up chemistry for a guy whos proven to be unreliable. DG just got through getting rid of these types of players.
I care about culture but acquiring him will come with no guaranteed money other than the prorated portion of his contract. So if he misbehaves once cut him. If he is becoming a problem cut him. The draft pick offered could be conditional on him being on the roster for a set number of games.
at the cost of a late round pick and 790,000 salary.
Yeah if attitude and culture was something you dont care about. Its not a matter of asset allocation, its a matter of fucking up chemistry for a guy whos proven to be unreliable. DG just got through getting rid of these types of players.
I care about culture but acquiring him will come with no guaranteed money other than the prorated portion of his contract. So if he misbehaves once cut him. If he is becoming a problem cut him. The draft pick offered could be conditional on him being on the roster for a set number of games.
That really isnt how this works. It it was every team in the nfl would be interested in him. It sends a really poor message to clean house of bad attitudes and players with shitty work ethics only to reach out and get one of the most problematic players in the game.
while also try to get compensation for him? Doesnt make sense.
Place I was never a substance abuser, nor did he relapse, nor did he get essentially kicked out of the league. If he was simply a guy that didnt get along with the HC then Id be all for it, but hes an extremely immature and isnt dependable.
That really isnt how this works. It it was every team in the nfl would be interested in him. It sends a really poor message to clean house of bad attitudes and players with shitty work ethics only to reach out and get one of the most problematic players in the game.
The Giants did this with Will Hill, he had an issue with weed. The Giants gave him a couple chances and then got rid of him. He wasn't an issue in the lockerroom despite several off the field issues in college.
If the Giants were going to trade for Gordon they would first likely require a discussion with him to see where he is at mentally. Gordon has to know that this might be his last chance in the NFL. Spending his entire career in Cleveland that was a disaster and unstable place certainly wasn't helping him. Sure NYC has temptations but the Giants are a completely different organization. Tyree beat his demons and could theoretically help Gordon.
Chances are the Giants won't show interest but it was just a suggestion. If you disagree fine.
while also try to get compensation for him? Doesnt make sense.
Place I was never a substance abuser, nor did he relapse, nor did he get essentially kicked out of the league. If he was simply a guy that didnt get along with the HC then Id be all for it, but hes an extremely immature and isnt dependable.
So I guess you have all the answers. I do not. I will let the GM make the call.
but you made a comparison to Plax which is ridiculous.
the comparison was to being late to practice and milking an injury which is exactly what Plaxico was accused of.
if Gordon missed a test it has nothing to do with CLE, it's the league who would suspend him. missing a test is a violation of the substance abuse program.
Gordon is hoping for a trade to Dallas or SF. I don't know why he would want to go to Dallas. Dez did not like playing with Prescott because Prescott struggles mightily throwing it downfield which happens to be Gordon's strength.
Dez is also toast. As much as I dont like Prescott, Dez wasnt good at his job anymore and it had more to do with him being done than Prescott not being a good QB.
Dez is also toast. As much as I dont like Prescott, Dez wasnt good at his job anymore and it had more to do with him being done than Prescott not being a good QB.
If he gets traded he will get paid the same regardless. If he wants to go to a team to put up big numbers to make bank in free agency I wouldn't pick Prescott as one of my top choices.
my point is that JJ likes talented players and has been willing to ignore problematic scenarios. If he goes there, plays well, and bolsters the passing game even a tiny bit, I wouldnt put it past JJ to give him a lot of money.
my point is that JJ likes talented players and has been willing to ignore problematic scenarios. If he goes there, plays well, and bolsters the passing game even a tiny bit, I wouldnt put it past JJ to give him a lot of money.
I wouldn't either, Pete Carroll is another option. Carroll has frequently brought in players with off the field concerns and made it work.
Well if he's an RFA next year, I believe he's just like a guy in his 3rd year and likely will go thru waivers, IMO.
secondly, I think this may open up the door for Dez Bryant to be back in the NFL with the Browns.
Though I admit I thought that the Browns would cut bait with Antonio Callaway before Josh Gordon.
Though I admit I thought that the Browns would cut bait with Antonio Callaway before Josh Gordon.
Gordon seems like a prime target for the Bengals.
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Who is clamoring for bringing him in? I certainly am not. I'm just curious regarding his status as a FA or subject to waivers.
Well if he's an RFA next year, I believe he's just like a guy in his 3rd year and likely will go thru waivers, IMO.
I just looked up his contract on Spotrac out of curiosity. He served 2 full year suspension and an additional 4 game suspension in another season. What a trainwreck. I do believe he doesn't have the full 4 years of accrued service and will be subject to waivers.
Some team will take a shot on him. You can't teach speed. Unfortunately, he will likely relapse with his substance abuse. I trust DG, Mara, and Tisch would not entertain taking such a risk. Gordon's next infraction I believe is a permanent ban.
These are the type of guys you take a chance on IMO. He's young and probably a top 3 talent at WR. Just don't lock him in to a long term deal. Try to win for a year or two with him and then move on. Barkley, Odell, Gordon, Shepard & Engram is ridiculous.
If we hope and pray for a guy that can't stay on the field the past 3 years, God will probably just tell us 'haven't you had enough of those guys already?'
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Who is clamoring for bringing him in? I certainly am not. I'm just curious regarding his status as a FA or subject to waivers.
Well if he's an RFA next year, I believe he's just like a guy in his 3rd year and likely will go thru waivers, IMO.
I just looked up his contract on Spotrac out of curiosity. He served 2 full year suspension and an additional 4 game suspension in another season. What a trainwreck. I do believe he doesn't have the full 4 years of accrued service and will be subject to waivers.
Some team will take a shot on him. You can't teach speed. Unfortunately, he will likely relapse with his substance abuse. I trust DG, Mara, and Tisch would not entertain taking such a risk. Gordon's next infraction I believe is a permanent ban.
He will be a free agent. Not subject to waivers per Joel Corry.
He will be a free agent. Not subject to waivers per Joel Corry.
Not doubting you but that's odd. A player needs a minimum of 6 games to accrue a season credit. Gordon only has 2 of them.
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brought him in, it would be the polar opposite of what DG has done so far.
These are the type of guys you take a chance on IMO. He's young and probably a top 3 talent at WR. Just don't lock him in to a long term deal. Try to win for a year or two with him and then move on. Barkley, Odell, Gordon, Shepard & Engram is ridiculous.
Yes Gordon would surely excel in NYC where there are no temptations for regression.
Not if hes traded which it sounds like he will be
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But a player signed during the season, their contract isn't guaranteed? Seems like a low risk, high reward if you brought him in for a season. IMO
Not if hes traded which it sounds like he will be
That's true and a smart move by CLE if they are looking to move on.
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brought him in, it would be the polar opposite of what DG has done so far.
Hes young ? Hes 28 and he hasnt been able to stay clean since 2014
These are the type of guys you take a chance on IMO. He's young and probably a top 3 talent at WR. Just don't lock him in to a long term deal. Try to win for a year or two with him and then move on. Barkley, Odell, Gordon, Shepard & Engram is ridiculous.
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Im usually not the type to suggest signing big name players but Gordon is a different story. This is an elite talent with substance abuse problems. Going to a stable organization like the Giants could be just what he needs. Dallas will surely go hard for him which is another reason to bring him in. The Giants want to win another championship with Eli so giving him a weapon like Gordon will certainly help.
All true. But this type of personality being around the temptations of NYC seems very risky...
Exactly. Fer Chrissakes if he's like that in Cleveland what the heck would folks expect to happen in NYC?
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Teams already calling the Browns, who league sources believe are far more likely to trade Josh Gordon than release him.
Let Dallas or Cincinnatti have him. He has world's of talent, but this is not the kind of guy who turns a team around for the better.
He didn't have time, he was too busy reminding Haley and the other assistants that he was the man in charge not them. They need to hear it constantly because nobody understands how on earth this guy wasn't fired after last season.
1. Who knows if he still has it
2. He is a locker room cancer
3. He could be a coach killer
This Giants had a very detrimental team culture last season. DG and PS have been working hard to change that. I don't see them bringing in a player who has been a problem his entire career. This team still has a long way to go and I think Gordon would be a step backwards.
Yeah if attitude and culture was something you dont care about. Its not a matter of asset allocation, its a matter of fucking up chemistry for a guy whos proven to be unreliable. DG just got through getting rid of these types of players.
No thanks.
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at the cost of a late round pick and 790,000 salary.
Yeah if attitude and culture was something you dont care about. Its not a matter of asset allocation, its a matter of fucking up chemistry for a guy whos proven to be unreliable. DG just got through getting rid of these types of players.
I care about culture but acquiring him will come with no guaranteed money other than the prorated portion of his contract. So if he misbehaves once cut him. If he is becoming a problem cut him. The draft pick offered could be conditional on him being on the roster for a set number of games.
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at the cost of a late round pick and 790,000 salary.
Yeah if attitude and culture was something you dont care about. Its not a matter of asset allocation, its a matter of fucking up chemistry for a guy whos proven to be unreliable. DG just got through getting rid of these types of players.
I care about culture but acquiring him will come with no guaranteed money other than the prorated portion of his contract. So if he misbehaves once cut him. If he is becoming a problem cut him. The draft pick offered could be conditional on him being on the roster for a set number of games.
That really isnt how this works. It it was every team in the nfl would be interested in him. It sends a really poor message to clean house of bad attitudes and players with shitty work ethics only to reach out and get one of the most problematic players in the game.
At some point the talent and character lines intersect inversely and the more talent a player has the less character you can tolerate.
Not sure where Gordon is at this time.
If he checks the physical and mental boxes and the Giants believe they're in "win now" mode I think you can take the risk.
Every team can explain it by taking the pov of "we're going to fix Josh Gordon" and that cuts you some slack from the players, media and fans.
I do not have any insight into his physical and mental condition so I trust the GM to make this call.
We found out after the fact Plaxico was habitually late to meetings and missed many.
He was (in part) the difference between a championship or not.
Also, I don't know if any of us can make the judgment of where a player is mentally based on what a team leaks.
Place I was never a substance abuser, nor did he relapse, nor did he get essentially kicked out of the league. If he was simply a guy that didnt get along with the HC then Id be all for it, but hes an extremely immature and isnt dependable.
That really isnt how this works. It it was every team in the nfl would be interested in him. It sends a really poor message to clean house of bad attitudes and players with shitty work ethics only to reach out and get one of the most problematic players in the game.
The Giants did this with Will Hill, he had an issue with weed. The Giants gave him a couple chances and then got rid of him. He wasn't an issue in the lockerroom despite several off the field issues in college.
If the Giants were going to trade for Gordon they would first likely require a discussion with him to see where he is at mentally. Gordon has to know that this might be his last chance in the NFL. Spending his entire career in Cleveland that was a disaster and unstable place certainly wasn't helping him. Sure NYC has temptations but the Giants are a completely different organization. Tyree beat his demons and could theoretically help Gordon.
Chances are the Giants won't show interest but it was just a suggestion. If you disagree fine.
Place I was never a substance abuser, nor did he relapse, nor did he get essentially kicked out of the league. If he was simply a guy that didnt get along with the HC then Id be all for it, but hes an extremely immature and isnt dependable.
So I guess you have all the answers. I do not. I will let the GM make the call.
the comparison was to being late to practice and milking an injury which is exactly what Plaxico was accused of.
if Gordon missed a test it has nothing to do with CLE, it's the league who would suspend him. missing a test is a violation of the substance abuse program.
We dont agree on this, its all good. Dont really care about it, hell never be a giant.
Dez is also toast. As much as I dont like Prescott, Dez wasnt good at his job anymore and it had more to do with him being done than Prescott not being a good QB.
Dez is also toast. As much as I dont like Prescott, Dez wasnt good at his job anymore and it had more to do with him being done than Prescott not being a good QB.
If he gets traded he will get paid the same regardless. If he wants to go to a team to put up big numbers to make bank in free agency I wouldn't pick Prescott as one of my top choices.
I wouldn't either, Pete Carroll is another option. Carroll has frequently brought in players with off the field concerns and made it work.