hopeful for this season, just expecting a competitive team..but seen this story too many times since 2012. Season already feels like its over, so unless they pull a 2007 next week, I'm not going to waste my time. I don't think Eli is bad, but he's not good enough to overcome the weaknesses anymore and it's pretty clear now he's not going to be a solution. Barkley is definitely special, but I don't understand how the fuck they don't get the ball to Beckham..it's frustrating and boring to watch.
RE: What is frustrating is they have some good talent in key positions Â
so its not a wasted pick, and in truth no one knows how the QB class from this draft will be. But, this feels like a rock bottom type of loss tonight. Eli taking that kill shot running the ball in an impotent manner. He does not look like a play maker anymore on this team and it kills me to say it. I do not want to see him get beaten week in and week out.
This o line is a joke and the Giants must lead league in rushes for loss and is Barkley did not have that shake and bake stuff it would be worse.
This team may not win more than four five games though, maybe less, so hopefully there are some QB's coming out this year.
This team sucks and is still likely bottom three in league
DG was the safe pick. Shurmur the safe pick. Keeping Eli and taking Barkley was the safer course, and did not alienate the fans who still idolize Eli. It’s all been conservative and safe and it has set back the Giants. Eli did not have 3 good years left 2 years ago. It’s pathetic.
After last year was wrong:
GM
Coach
Sticking with Eli
Player acquisitions
Etc
Forget 30 points, these guys can’t put up 20 on a consistent basis. Might be the worst offensive team in football. And they have Beckham and a guy the GM said was touched by God!
I knew we were fucked when I heard Gettleman mocking analytics in one of his draft pressers. We're stuck in a bygone era, and it starts at the top. You have to be out of your mind at this point to think we'll fix this with Eli at the helm.
more that things change, the more they stay the same."
We made a lot of changes to the OL, but it's still basically the same. We still can't pick up simple blitzes and stunts, and get no push on the LOS in the run game. I'm beginning to think the Solder and Omameh contracts were a mistake. Even with a new GM and coach, this team still can't find good OL.
Eli is David Carr at this point. He's taken too much of a beating to be effective. He's totally immobile, and therefore needs a nearly perfect OL to be effective. We don't have anywhere near that level of OL play.
As I said, I think Lauletta will play at some point this year, and this may well be Eli's last season with the Giants.
What was the point of drafting Barkley if you're not going to use him? Â
4 carries in the first half? Are you for real with that? We re-sign Odell to a huge contract, we only pass to him twice.
Shephard, Engram, Latimer, were nonexistent. Shurmer NEEDS to justify his playcalling. We should demand to know how they prepared for this game and what their offensive philosophy was for this game.
Might as well start Lauletta next week against Houston. Can't be worse than what we already are, the worst team in the NFC.
RE: Staring to get wary that every decision they made Â
After last year was wrong:
GM
Coach
Sticking with Eli
Player acquisitions
Etc
Forget 30 points, these guys can’t put up 20 on a consistent basis. Might be the worst offensive team in football. And they have Beckham and a guy the GM said was touched by God!
So far I'd say they have literally nothing else.
I'm not sure if Eli still has it or not. He made some good plays in this game, but ...
But it's not in the way that everybody is evaluating him, it's mental. He's had such shit on the OL for years that his internal clock is completely fucked. The OL sucks, no question. However, bad OL play is rampant in the league and he's as bad as they come in dealing with it today. He's not the same guy that stared down the niners rush in 2012.
4 carries in the first half? Are you for real with that? We re-sign Odell to a huge contract, we only pass to him twice.
Shephard, Engram, Latimer, were nonexistent. Shurmer NEEDS to justify his playcalling. We should demand to know how they prepared for this game and what their offensive philosophy was for this game.
Might as well start Lauletta next week against Houston. Can't be worse than what we already are, the worst team in the NFC.
ya have you seen arizona play? they are WAY worse.
giants have some serious issues, but truth is its a LONG season
I almost feel bad for these guys are going to get crushed Â
Every week from the media about shit snowballing, when are you gonna win, going thru the motions, etc....but fuck ‘em. This was their plan. It was the wrong one as many here, myself included, pointed out.
more that things change, the more they stay the same."
We made a lot of changes to the OL, but it's still basically the same. We still can't pick up simple blitzes and stunts, and get no push on the LOS in the run game. I'm beginning to think the Solder and Omameh contracts were a mistake. Even with a new GM and coach, this team still can't find good OL.
Eli is David Carr at this point. He's taken too much of a beating to be effective. He's totally immobile, and therefore needs a nearly perfect OL to be effective. We don't have anywhere near that level of OL play.
As I said, I think Lauletta will play at some point this year, and this may well be Eli's last season with the Giants.
Could it be the scouts?
Or maybe the VP of Player Evaluation ... hmm ...
RE: What was the point of drafting Barkley if you're not going to use him? Â
4 carries in the first half? Are you for real with that? We re-sign Odell to a huge contract, we only pass to him twice.
Shephard, Engram, Latimer, were nonexistent. Shurmer NEEDS to justify his playcalling. We should demand to know how they prepared for this game and what their offensive philosophy was for this game.
Might as well start Lauletta next week against Houston. Can't be worse than what we already are, the worst team in the NFC.
He was featured a lot on screes and passes, the one scoring drive the team had he was the main reason it happened along with the one long pass to Latimer.
In terms of hand offs or running the ball, I assume the guys in the booth are watching the o line get obliterated on all power type running plays. Not just stood up, or a run for no gain, but destroyed like little girls.
This may play into the play calling decisions.
RE: RE: What was the point of drafting Barkley if you're not going to use him? Â
4 carries in the first half? Are you for real with that? We re-sign Odell to a huge contract, we only pass to him twice.
Shephard, Engram, Latimer, were nonexistent. Shurmer NEEDS to justify his playcalling. We should demand to know how they prepared for this game and what their offensive philosophy was for this game.
Might as well start Lauletta next week against Houston. Can't be worse than what we already are, the worst team in the NFC.
ya have you seen arizona play? they are WAY worse.
giants have some serious issues, but truth is its a LONG season
We might have said Dallas was way worse before today.
RE: RE: What was the point of drafting Barkley if you're not going to use him? Â
4 carries in the first half? Are you for real with that? We re-sign Odell to a huge contract, we only pass to him twice.
Shephard, Engram, Latimer, were nonexistent. Shurmer NEEDS to justify his playcalling. We should demand to know how they prepared for this game and what their offensive philosophy was for this game.
Might as well start Lauletta next week against Houston. Can't be worse than what we already are, the worst team in the NFC.
ya have you seen arizona play? they are WAY worse.
giants have some serious issues, but truth is its a LONG season
I’d rather be 0-2 and WAY worse as you say with a 22 year old QB waiting in the wings.
RE: RE: RE: What was the point of drafting Barkley if you're not going to use him? Â
4 carries in the first half? Are you for real with that? We re-sign Odell to a huge contract, we only pass to him twice.
Shephard, Engram, Latimer, were nonexistent. Shurmer NEEDS to justify his playcalling. We should demand to know how they prepared for this game and what their offensive philosophy was for this game.
Might as well start Lauletta next week against Houston. Can't be worse than what we already are, the worst team in the NFC.
ya have you seen arizona play? they are WAY worse.
giants have some serious issues, but truth is its a LONG season
I’d rather be 0-2 and WAY worse as you say with a 22 year old QB waiting in the wings.
Exactly. You can build a team around Rosen. What the fuck are we gonna build around? We need a whole line of Pro Bowlers just to be competitive.
RE: RE: RE: What was the point of drafting Barkley if you're not going to use him? Â
4 carries in the first half? Are you for real with that? We re-sign Odell to a huge contract, we only pass to him twice.
Shephard, Engram, Latimer, were nonexistent. Shurmer NEEDS to justify his playcalling. We should demand to know how they prepared for this game and what their offensive philosophy was for this game.
Might as well start Lauletta next week against Houston. Can't be worse than what we already are, the worst team in the NFC.
ya have you seen arizona play? they are WAY worse.
giants have some serious issues, but truth is its a LONG season
I’d rather be 0-2 and WAY worse as you say with a 22 year old QB waiting in the wings.
Dead franchise.
Dead man walking QB.
Brain dead management who fucked up the most important draft pick in decades.
Dead 2018 season.
Fuck this entire franchise. Another wasted season and summer hasn’t even ended yet.
That's about the size of it. In the past three years this franchise has had two enormous opportunities to chart the course of the future. The 2016 cap space and then this offseason - everything they did was wrong. Everything.
is definitely part of the problem. As someone said. bad OL play is rampant, but other QBs are still more effective because they are mobile. The Giants overestimated how much they fixed the OL, and how important that was for Eli to be effective.
The blew the most important draft pick in decades Â
And the forthcoming QB class is supposedly not as good as this past one. I think Barkley is great and I don't even think some of the accolades they gave him were unfair, but he was not the correct pick for the Giants. This was a tremendous mistake, but they made it and now they have to deal with it.
Giants were faced with the same exact scenario in '03-'04 Â
Oline sucks, Dallas much better then folks think. Dak can throw better then people thought. I just don’t understand how people could dismiss this Dallas team given the circumstances.
RE: Giants were faced with the same exact scenario in '03-'04 Â
is definitely part of the problem. As someone said. bad OL play is rampant, but other QBs are still more effective because they are mobile. The Giants overestimated how much they fixed the OL, and how important that was for Eli to be effective.
It's not just mobility. It's poise. Eli is shellshocked.
Oline sucks, Dallas much better then folks think. Dak can throw better then people thought. I just don’t understand how people could dismiss this Dallas team given the circumstances.
Dallas is awful. Marineli just kicked Shurmur’s ass. And he knows how to rattle Eli. Eli hasn’t been good against Dallas since he’s been their DC
The brass and front office grossly over estimated Â
Eli Manning and the o line. Had Eli had an off year I could understand it, but he’s been pretty bad for 3+ seasons now. It is time to move on after this season. In fact, lauletta should start by week 8. Let’s see what he’s got. There was no way the giants were filling the holes in one off season.
Oline sucks, Dallas much better then folks think. Dak can throw better then people thought. I just don’t understand how people could dismiss this Dallas team given the circumstances.
Dallas is mediocre at best. This team is just horrific.
THe showing against Jacksonville was because there wasn't any film on Shurmur's Giants' approach/strategies yet.
When do we admit Eli is a big part of the problem? Â
so you can refer to it weekly. A GIF to remember - ( New Window )
But wait, he uses cute nicknames like Hog Mollies! And he hates nerds! And all that math, why the hell would anyone use math in sports?
This organization needed to flush the toilet - clean slate. New GM, new way of thinking, new scouts, new coaches. A fair evaluation of the roster with a rebuild based on that new approach.
What did we get instead? Two retreads, and the return of a formula that has been losing for years - an immobile pocket QB and an OL that couldn't block for Usain Bolt.
With an opportunity to pick from a list of promising college QBs in the deepest QB draft in years, we picked a RB 2nd overall - and made him one of the highest paid RBs in the league - on a team that can't block for shit and needed a QB at the latest within a year or two.
It would be fucking hysterical if it weren't so sad.
Oline sucks, Dallas much better then folks think. Dak can throw better then people thought. I just don’t understand how people could dismiss this Dallas team given the circumstances.
No. Dallas is dogshit. The Giants are simply that much worse.
RE: RE: I called this one early in the week...... Â
Oline sucks, Dallas much better then folks think. Dak can throw better then people thought. I just don’t understand how people could dismiss this Dallas team given the circumstances.
Dallas is mediocre at best. This team is just horrific.
THe showing against Jacksonville was because there wasn't any film on Shurmur's Giants' approach/strategies yet.
I doubt it was that, they probably just figured with Fournette out it was easy enough to play a very conservative game and let the Giants beat themselves, which they did.
RE: This defense is playing just like last season.... Â
I didn’t see anything special from him. His Oline opened things up for him.
Barkley had to dance around just o get a few yards. Oline still a work in progress. Solder also not getting it done on the left side. We paid a lot of money for him.
is definitely part of the problem. As someone said. bad OL play is rampant, but other QBs are still more effective because they are mobile. The Giants overestimated how much they fixed the OL, and how important that was for Eli to be effective.
It's not just mobility. It's poise. Eli is shellshocked.
Agreed. He has no confidence.
RE: Giants were faced with the same exact scenario in '03-'04 Â
to fix the Hell Hole that Reese and Ross left this franchise in.
Fuck that noise - Reese is gone, and the excuse went with him.
Gettleman paid big bucks to Solder and Omameh, drafted Hernandez early in the 2nd, and they all look like shit thus far. And just for shits and giggles, he brought in Clay, whose best move for the team was getting injured (not that I'd wish it on him, I'd rather just cut him) and paid Stewart $3m to be a giant, fork wielding corpse.
Oline sucks, Dallas much better then folks think. Dak can throw better then people thought. I just don’t understand how people could dismiss this Dallas team given the circumstances.
No. Dallas is dogshit. The Giants are simply that much worse.
Don’t agree. Dallas Defense is much better then ours. They can pressure the QB with their front 4, they have solid LBers and now their secondary is decent too. Offensively, they are very average and their RPOmate our lunch tonight, but I wouldn’t call them shit. League average perhaps, but much better then this shitshow we have anyway
RE: RE: What was the point of drafting Barkley if you're not going to use him? Â
He was featured a lot on screes and passes, the one scoring drive the team had he was the main reason it happened along with the one long pass to Latimer.
I don't remember too many screens. Maybe I'm forgetting one or two but most of the passes to Barkley were swing passes.
So far not much has paid off with the new regime Â
The coach makes the same strange in game decisions as McAdoo, has poor clock management like McAdoo and calls a similarly shitty game like McAdoo. And have any of the decisions Dave Gettleman made been successful yet?
So far there is no difference. So far, Reese/McAdoo = Gettleman/Shurmur
and Wayne Glamman at RB would not have changed the outcome of this game. The draft pick was not the wrong move. Putting Erik Flowers at RT and starting Omameh and Halapio are the issue. You can score points when guys have free runs as the QB and ball carrier.
This line is dreadful and nothing on offense will work until it is fixed.
It’s also scary that DG and Shurm both thought Eli has a lot left in the tank after evaluating him last year. He is toast.
Did they? Or did they understand that the ownership wanted Eli back and so they played along. Both were just glad to get second shots in their roles. Figured they'd make the best of it and probably convinced themselves it could work.
Another season of this shit is gonna be hard to take.
Getting it out of the can early helps. If they lose the next one, then you still have all of fall to enjoy the good weather and other, actual competitive football games on TV.
Hopefully, in the meanwhile someone at Giants HQ can help Mara dislodge his head from his ass and make a good move for a change.
Oline sucks, Dallas much better then folks think. Dak can throw better then people thought. I just don’t understand how people could dismiss this Dallas team given the circumstances.
I dismissed them because I am a CLOWN like the GIANTS.
Something to think about. The panthers have lost Norwell to FA (All Pro) and Trai Turner (Pro Bowl), Matt Kalil (Big $$ FA) and Daryl Williams (Pro Bowler) to injury since last year. I watched that entire game today and their offense was significantly better than ours. The titans lost their top 3 OTs to injury this year...they won. We're not the only team dealing with OL issues, we're just the only team that can't overcome them.
and Wayne Glamman at RB would not have changed the outcome of this game. The draft pick was not the wrong move. Putting Erik Flowers at RT and starting Omameh and Halapio are the issue. You can score points when guys have free runs as the QB and ball carrier.
This line is dreadful and nothing on offense will work until it is fixed.
Maybe not. But I keep hearing that Barkley's inability to gain yardage is due to the OL, so there was no point in drafting him either when you consider the career longevity of a RB.
Meanwhile, draft a mobile QB and it eases the pressure on the OL, not to mention you could have had him sit behind Eli for a year and made the OL a two year project (Mahomes sat behind Smith and seems to be just fine).
Oline sucks, Dallas much better then folks think. Dak can throw better then people thought. I just don’t understand how people could dismiss this Dallas team given the circumstances.
Dak is great when there is no pass rush. Better team won today. Yes their WR core is weak but our OL is weaker.
I love Eli - but some of the hits he took tonight have to have him still hearing footsteps with the game being over. Not sure at this age and after several seasons of crap OLs he is going to be able to see the game cleanly
*I* flinch now when I watch him get hit . . . I sincerely would love to see him go out w/ a good season, but this is just brutal
OL, QB, pass rush all need a massive rebuild . . .
I couldn’t watch past mid way through 1Q. I know it’s tough to isolate a lineman’s performance because they certainly do not perform in a vacuum, it did he look better than last week? Is he looking like a big overpay?
wait until next year...that Omameh sucks too, dare I say John Jerry is better. It's tough enough for a guy like
Flowers to try and make a transition to RT, when the new
RG seems clueless on stunts, wow.
I still think they should have drafted a QB.
Apparently I am not alone on that subject reading the comments, so I won't belabor the point.
The thing with Eli is that he needs the O-Line to be nearly flawless in pass-blocking in order to succeed. If he has to move from the pocket and improvise because of pressure, he doesn't know what to do and panics.
Covered up how poor an owner John Mara actually is. For years he didn't have to make any big decisions because he had a well coached team with a QB in his prime. And these two things coincided with him taking over as owner. When things started to go south and he had to make big decisions for the first time...it has been one mistake after another. The truth is, he's not shown himself to be a very good owner. This is pretty dangerous territory the Giants are now in long-term.
I couldn’t watch past mid way through 1Q. I know it’s tough to isolate a lineman’s performance because they certainly do not perform in a vacuum, it did he look better than last week? Is he looking like a big overpay?
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Slightly better than last week, but not much.
He was an overpay from the beg., just what teams do
when they are desperate.
The thing with Eli is that he needs the O-Line to be nearly flawless in pass-blocking in order to succeed. If he has to move from the pocket and improvise because of pressure, he doesn't know what to do and panics.
Agreed. Everything has to be nearly perfect, which is proof that he's at or near the end.
We’ve done enough of it over the last 7 years. What infuriates me though is what exactly are we “building” to? With a 37 year old QB who very well might be shot?
OL gets overpowered, and has too many problems with speed rushers, but the biggest concern is the communication issues that lead to missed blitz pick ups and stunts.
It’s also scary that DG and Shurm both thought Eli has a lot left in the tank after evaluating him last year. He is toast.
What some of the fans here fail to recognize is that Eli’s lack of mobility greatly affects how teams play him. On obvious passing downs rushers are coming FULL TILT after Eli. Very few QBs see all out rushers like Eli because rushers know Eli can’t get away from them. It’s not like Rodgers, Stafford, Luck, Wilson, or 80% of other QBs where guys have to have controlled rushes as not to give up scrambling lanes. Teams know that moment Eli has to move that they have the advantage. There is no consequence for selling all out against Eli.
somebody said, the Giants are the Knicks. They've been rebuilding for years, but are no better based on their moves.
Untrue. The Giants have been band-aiding one year after the other, believing that with Eli they had a secure shot at another title, having won 2 already.
Since 2011, that hope has keep them right at the brink, refusing to make major, wholesale changes. They decide to fire TC? They give McAdoo the job. They can Reese? They give the nod to Gettleman.
Everything has been with the belief that they're just a few tweaks here or there from the promised land, and the results prove that they're extremely wrong.
RE: This has made me realize that Coughlin and Eli in his prime Â
Covered up how poor an owner John Mara actually is. For years he didn't have to make any big decisions because he had a well coached team with a QB in his prime. And these two things coincided with him taking over as owner. When things started to go south and he had to make big decisions for the first time...it has been one mistake after another. The truth is, he's not shown himself to be a very good owner. This is pretty dangerous territory the Giants are now in long-term.
Disagree. He is an excellent owner. Je is just an atrocious head of football operations. He should fire himself from.that role.
4 carries in the first half? Are you for real with that? We re-sign Odell to a huge contract, we only pass to him twice.
Shephard, Engram, Latimer, were nonexistent. Shurmer NEEDS to justify his playcalling. We should demand to know how they prepared for this game and what their offensive philosophy was for this game.
Might as well start Lauletta next week against Houston. Can't be worse than what we already are, the worst team in the NFC.
Actually that goes to the cardinals they have scored 6 points in 2 games losing 34 to 0 today.
RE: And if there's any basis to player evaluation, the OL Â
is about to get worse with the loss of Halapio. Going purely by the fact that he's the backup on the depth chart.
Let that one sink in for a minute.
Actually Greco didn’t look too bad, but this might be an opportunity now for a guy like Pulley. Greco is the back up at Center and Guard and so, I think it might be Pulley now.
I think we believed that being "close" versus Jax on the offensive side, we'd really start clicking versus Dallas.
But Jax didn't have game film on what the Giants/Shurmur were going to do, so they played it straight up and applied pretty good pressure with their talent.
Tonight...Dallas figured they would test the Giants with pressure - and I feel the Giants felt Dallas would lay back - and Dallas was simply all over them.
Going forward, the Giants are going to be blitzed like tonight until they prove they can stop it.
They miss Vernon and hopefully Carter grows up quick. They're not egtting mush pass rush from Martin Barwin has a few miles left - but he's a speller, not a starter at this point
They miss Vernon and hopefully Carter grows up quick. They're not egtting mush pass rush from Martin Barwin has a few miles left - but he's a speller, not a starter at this point
Fuck Vernon and barwins getting shaken out of his shoes. Just another eagle taken by the giants who had a fork in his back
They miss Vernon and hopefully Carter grows up quick. They're not egtting mush pass rush from Martin Barwin has a few miles left - but he's a speller, not a starter at this point
Ehhh..those two INTs were exactly easy. The defense recovered and played decently after those first two drives, but the lack of sacks - and pressure - was most disappointing to me.
Any offensive production would have made this a ball game.
Barwin had a knockdown, almost pick and knocked a pass down last week. He's made some plays - but he's not a starter at this point.
If anything, they might want to mix some caution with that aggressive direction the defense is heading. Some of the plays they are giving up is due to team's taking advantage of theri aggression.
Lost in the offensive mess, the defense finished the night with no sacks, no tackles for a loss, only two pass defenses, and no turnovers.
It is not like Dallas was going up and down the field on us they held Elliot to 78 on 17 carries and Dak had 160 yards in which 64 came on one play. The defense kept the game close and it was the offense that didn't take advantage.
Barwin had a knockdown, almost pick and knocked a pass down last week. He's made some plays - but he's not a starter at this point.
If anything, they might want to mix some caution with that aggressive direction the defense is heading. Some of the plays they are giving up is due to team's taking advantage of theri aggression.
They’ll be winless whenever he shows up. He’ll be a huge help in getting all his close but no cigar pressures/sacks then. Another FA loser.
I don't remember the last time I ever saw a stat line where a defense had zero tackles for a loss, zero sacks, zero turnovers, and just 2 pass defenses.
The offense lost this game, but the defense didn't help.
I don't remember the last time I ever saw a stat line where a defense had zero tackles for a loss, zero sacks, zero turnovers, and just 2 pass defenses.
The offense lost this game, but the defense didn't help.
The stats may not be appealing but this wasn't on the defense. Hell the Giants even won the time of possession. It wasn't pretty by the defense, but after that first td they settled down. Had the offense actually showed up in the first two games the Giants would have wins. A running game would do wonders for both sides of the ball
WTF is with Jenkins? 2nd time he gets torched on the 1st series of the game by a nobody.
OLine blows, but the safety or slot blitz was what got them last night. I turned it off at halftime, but up til then Flowers was easily handling Lawrence. Omameh was the weak link, Sad to say, but Jerry need to start.
Buck up boys, they'll be in position for the "Franchise" QB come may. Then draft 3 OL after.
Another season of this shit is gonna be hard to take.
Agree. Rooting for draft picks last year wasn't fun but unless something drastically changes, it looks like that's what I'll be doing again this season! SMFH
WTF is with Jenkins? 2nd time he gets torched on the 1st series of the game by a nobody.
OLine blows, but the safety or slot blitz was what got them last night. I turned it off at halftime, but up til then Flowers was easily handling Lawrence. Omameh was the weak link, Sad to say, but Jerry need to start.
Buck up boys, they'll be in position for the "Franchise" QB come may. Then draft 3 OL after.
Correction one Olineman and 2 Dlineman one of which will get hurt smh
that's not what they did - they know he's not the future but weren't sold on any of the QBs in this year's draft.
It's early, but judging by the first couple of games, the scouts and management should be fired if they weren't sold on this QB class. Next year's class is significantly less impressive. They will have to wait two years to have a shot at a franchise-quality QB, and then they will need to have one of the first two picks.
He wasn't in the league last year because even CLEVELAND fired his ass! I posted about him last week and there was a reason that the Browns got rid of him. He is a horrible O Line coach and for whatever reason, he's now the G's sorrowful addition.
It's the NFL, not Harvard. O Linemen do as good Marines do. They do what they're told and it was painfully present last night that they weren't taught how to pick up stunts that haven't worked since the 1970s.
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that's not what they did - they know he's not the future but weren't sold on any of the QBs in this year's draft.
It's early, but judging by the first couple of games, the scouts and management should be fired if they weren't sold on this QB class. Next year's class is significantly less impressive. They will have to wait two years to have a shot at a franchise-quality QB, and then they will need to have one of the first two picks.
Depending on who comes out there are potentially a couple of pretty good QB prospects. It's not as deep a class, but it's not totally lacking in prospects.
I said on several occasions that the Giants will regret Â
I don't believe MGMT went with Barkley because they believe Eli is a superstar. I don't think they believe he can carry the team like he once could.
I think they went Barkley because they think Eli can win if there is a running game. I agree with that. I don't think it has to be the best running game in the league. I think any running game at all would make a huge difference.
RE: I said on several occasions that the Giants will regret Â
Lost in the offensive mess, the defense finished the night with no sacks, no tackles for a loss, only two pass defenses, and no turnovers.
Bingo. This league is about making plays. Sacks, picks, strips. Giving up a couple of TD's, a bunch of punts gets you a participation trophy.
and yet, Dallas only scored 20 and was given 3 points with the turnover. Considering how bad the offense was and that they had no splash plays, they held up surprisingly well.
It all begins and ends up front. The line can’t run block.... Â
and and the clock is running so quickly in Eli’s head, that he rushes even on the rare occasions he gets time. You won’t have to worry about Eli too much longer anyway, because I really believe this line is going to get him hurt this year.
On the other side of the ball, 0 sacks, 0 tackles for loss. No impact players over on that side of the ball.
not picking up stunts or getting movement for the run. Barkley was hit in the backfield every single play. If he wasn't so good, he would have had negative total yards. Eli had no time or pocket to throw. Feels SO HOPELESS!
RE: RE: I said on several occasions that the Giants will regret Â
drafting Barkley and passing on Josh Allen. My opinion has not changed.
Not just Allen. They had their choice of 3 guys. They blew it and now they have to own it.
And regarding Barkley: he’s probably not cracking 1000 yards this year. Not exactly “touched by the hand of God” stuff.
None of the QBs they passed on have the track records of great NFL QBs. They didn't pass on Andrew Luck-type prospects. Heck, they didn't even pass on Eli/Rivers/Big Ben level prospects. Maybe one of them (or all three) will be great, but the odds are against it. Drafting a QB just because you need one even though they're not the right one is how teams end up in QB purgatory, not because they played another past his sell-by date.
As for this game, I didn't think the Giants were going to win anyway, but to see it play out was extremely disheartening. If it wasn't for the Cardinals, the Giants would be the worst team in the NFL. They are just seriously talent and depth deficient in so many areas. The offensive line was somehow worse than it was in the opener. They looked like they hadn't practiced all week... perhaps all summer. They've been non-competitive through 2 weeks. Eli Manning may be shot, but it's so hard to analyze that independent of an o-line that looks worse than anything else I see in the NFL.
The defense was okay at best. Giving up a TD to a struggling offense in 3 plays to start the game was a major kick in the nuts. Their effort is good, but they lack talent in the front 7 with the notable exception of Snacks. Ogletree has been a net negative so far (EE ran him over multiple times) and guys like Kareem Martin and Barwin should be bench guys, not starters. How many times can they fall for the run option? (Oh great, we have Deshaun Watson next week.) Eli Apple was playing well again, so of course he got hurt. Riley appears to be the next in a long line of free safeties who're free of talent. His angles are terrible and he's missing tackles.
I know it's just two weeks, but I'm not sure what exactly Pat Shurmur is bringing to the table. They looked almost exactly the same in Dallas last season (without Odell or Barkley) with the guy who supposedly couldn't coach.
Dead man walking QB.
Brain dead management who fucked up the most important draft pick in decades.
Dead 2018 season.
Fuck this entire franchise. Another wasted season and summer hasn’t even ended yet.
All horrendous teams have some talent.
Which to blueblood's point, makes them the Knicks.
This o line is a joke and the Giants must lead league in rushes for loss and is Barkley did not have that shake and bake stuff it would be worse.
This team may not win more than four five games though, maybe less, so hopefully there are some QB's coming out this year.
This team sucks and is still likely bottom three in league
Have you seen the remaining schedule? It's very early, but you see any wins anywhere right now?
GM
Coach
Sticking with Eli
Player acquisitions
Etc
Forget 30 points, these guys can’t put up 20 on a consistent basis. Might be the worst offensive team in football. And they have Beckham and a guy the GM said was touched by God!
We made a lot of changes to the OL, but it's still basically the same. We still can't pick up simple blitzes and stunts, and get no push on the LOS in the run game. I'm beginning to think the Solder and Omameh contracts were a mistake. Even with a new GM and coach, this team still can't find good OL.
Eli is David Carr at this point. He's taken too much of a beating to be effective. He's totally immobile, and therefore needs a nearly perfect OL to be effective. We don't have anywhere near that level of OL play.
As I said, I think Lauletta will play at some point this year, and this may well be Eli's last season with the Giants.
Shephard, Engram, Latimer, were nonexistent. Shurmer NEEDS to justify his playcalling. We should demand to know how they prepared for this game and what their offensive philosophy was for this game.
Might as well start Lauletta next week against Houston. Can't be worse than what we already are, the worst team in the NFC.
GM
Coach
Sticking with Eli
Player acquisitions
Etc
Forget 30 points, these guys can’t put up 20 on a consistent basis. Might be the worst offensive team in football. And they have Beckham and a guy the GM said was touched by God!
So far I'd say they have literally nothing else.
I'm not sure if Eli still has it or not. He made some good plays in this game, but ...
I was laughed at a few weeks ago for saying I'm more excited about the Knicks' future than the Giants' future. We're in the abyss.
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Shephard, Engram, Latimer, were nonexistent. Shurmer NEEDS to justify his playcalling. We should demand to know how they prepared for this game and what their offensive philosophy was for this game.
Might as well start Lauletta next week against Houston. Can't be worse than what we already are, the worst team in the NFC.
ya have you seen arizona play? they are WAY worse.
giants have some serious issues, but truth is its a LONG season
We made a lot of changes to the OL, but it's still basically the same. We still can't pick up simple blitzes and stunts, and get no push on the LOS in the run game. I'm beginning to think the Solder and Omameh contracts were a mistake. Even with a new GM and coach, this team still can't find good OL.
Eli is David Carr at this point. He's taken too much of a beating to be effective. He's totally immobile, and therefore needs a nearly perfect OL to be effective. We don't have anywhere near that level of OL play.
As I said, I think Lauletta will play at some point this year, and this may well be Eli's last season with the Giants.
Could it be the scouts?
Or maybe the VP of Player Evaluation ... hmm ...
Shephard, Engram, Latimer, were nonexistent. Shurmer NEEDS to justify his playcalling. We should demand to know how they prepared for this game and what their offensive philosophy was for this game.
Might as well start Lauletta next week against Houston. Can't be worse than what we already are, the worst team in the NFC.
He was featured a lot on screes and passes, the one scoring drive the team had he was the main reason it happened along with the one long pass to Latimer.
In terms of hand offs or running the ball, I assume the guys in the booth are watching the o line get obliterated on all power type running plays. Not just stood up, or a run for no gain, but destroyed like little girls.
This may play into the play calling decisions.
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4 carries in the first half? Are you for real with that? We re-sign Odell to a huge contract, we only pass to him twice.
Shephard, Engram, Latimer, were nonexistent. Shurmer NEEDS to justify his playcalling. We should demand to know how they prepared for this game and what their offensive philosophy was for this game.
Might as well start Lauletta next week against Houston. Can't be worse than what we already are, the worst team in the NFC.
ya have you seen arizona play? they are WAY worse.
giants have some serious issues, but truth is its a LONG season
We might have said Dallas was way worse before today.
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4 carries in the first half? Are you for real with that? We re-sign Odell to a huge contract, we only pass to him twice.
Shephard, Engram, Latimer, were nonexistent. Shurmer NEEDS to justify his playcalling. We should demand to know how they prepared for this game and what their offensive philosophy was for this game.
Might as well start Lauletta next week against Houston. Can't be worse than what we already are, the worst team in the NFC.
ya have you seen arizona play? they are WAY worse.
giants have some serious issues, but truth is its a LONG season
I’d rather be 0-2 and WAY worse as you say with a 22 year old QB waiting in the wings.
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4 carries in the first half? Are you for real with that? We re-sign Odell to a huge contract, we only pass to him twice.
Shephard, Engram, Latimer, were nonexistent. Shurmer NEEDS to justify his playcalling. We should demand to know how they prepared for this game and what their offensive philosophy was for this game.
Might as well start Lauletta next week against Houston. Can't be worse than what we already are, the worst team in the NFC.
ya have you seen arizona play? they are WAY worse.
giants have some serious issues, but truth is its a LONG season
I’d rather be 0-2 and WAY worse as you say with a 22 year old QB waiting in the wings.
Exactly. You can build a team around Rosen. What the fuck are we gonna build around? We need a whole line of Pro Bowlers just to be competitive.
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4 carries in the first half? Are you for real with that? We re-sign Odell to a huge contract, we only pass to him twice.
Shephard, Engram, Latimer, were nonexistent. Shurmer NEEDS to justify his playcalling. We should demand to know how they prepared for this game and what their offensive philosophy was for this game.
Might as well start Lauletta next week against Houston. Can't be worse than what we already are, the worst team in the NFC.
ya have you seen arizona play? they are WAY worse.
giants have some serious issues, but truth is its a LONG season
I’d rather be 0-2 and WAY worse as you say with a 22 year old QB waiting in the wings.
^This.
Dead man walking QB.
Brain dead management who fucked up the most important draft pick in decades.
Dead 2018 season.
Fuck this entire franchise. Another wasted season and summer hasn’t even ended yet.
That's about the size of it. In the past three years this franchise has had two enormous opportunities to chart the course of the future. The 2016 cap space and then this offseason - everything they did was wrong. Everything.
Dead man walking QB.
Brain dead management who fucked up the most important draft pick in decades.
Dead 2018 season.
Fuck this entire franchise. Another wasted season and summer hasn’t even ended yet.
+1
/sarcasm off.
20-13 does not tell the true story.
Maras tied to Eli. It's almost as if Johnny Boy didn't want a replay of how Simms left.
It's not just mobility. It's poise. Eli is shellshocked.
Probably will have another shot at a QB this year, maybe they should make the right decision this time.
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and chose a path that led to a decade of contention and two championships. I'll never understand why they didn't follow the same blueprint.
Maras tied to Eli. It's almost as if Johnny Boy didn't want a replay of how Simms left.
That's exactly what happened.
Yea ...right. Same with last weeks final score. We never had momentum, we were never in control of the game.
Dallas is awful. Marineli just kicked Shurmur’s ass. And he knows how to rattle Eli. Eli hasn’t been good against Dallas since he’s been their DC
Dallas is mediocre at best. This team is just horrific.
THe showing against Jacksonville was because there wasn't any film on Shurmur's Giants' approach/strategies yet.
It’s also scary that DG and Shurm both thought Eli has a lot left in the tank after evaluating him last year. He is toast.
Your QB is just as important as the OL when it comes to blitzes.
But wait, he uses cute nicknames like Hog Mollies! And he hates nerds! And all that math, why the hell would anyone use math in sports?
This organization needed to flush the toilet - clean slate. New GM, new way of thinking, new scouts, new coaches. A fair evaluation of the roster with a rebuild based on that new approach.
What did we get instead? Two retreads, and the return of a formula that has been losing for years - an immobile pocket QB and an OL that couldn't block for Usain Bolt.
With an opportunity to pick from a list of promising college QBs in the deepest QB draft in years, we picked a RB 2nd overall - and made him one of the highest paid RBs in the league - on a team that can't block for shit and needed a QB at the latest within a year or two.
It would be fucking hysterical if it weren't so sad.
OLine was a joke tonight - and Giants missed Vernon.
They actually played better against a much better DLine last week.
No. Dallas is dogshit. The Giants are simply that much worse.
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Oline sucks, Dallas much better then folks think. Dak can throw better then people thought. I just don’t understand how people could dismiss this Dallas team given the circumstances.
Dallas is mediocre at best. This team is just horrific.
THe showing against Jacksonville was because there wasn't any film on Shurmur's Giants' approach/strategies yet.
I doubt it was that, they probably just figured with Fournette out it was easy enough to play a very conservative game and let the Giants beat themselves, which they did.
Exactly. Jenkins will be quitting very shortly.
Barkley had to dance around just o get a few yards. Oline still a work in progress. Solder also not getting it done on the left side. We paid a lot of money for him.
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is definitely part of the problem. As someone said. bad OL play is rampant, but other QBs are still more effective because they are mobile. The Giants overestimated how much they fixed the OL, and how important that was for Eli to be effective.
It's not just mobility. It's poise. Eli is shellshocked.
Agreed. He has no confidence.
Because there was no sentimentality involved in moving on from Kerry Collins.
Fuck that noise - Reese is gone, and the excuse went with him.
Gettleman paid big bucks to Solder and Omameh, drafted Hernandez early in the 2nd, and they all look like shit thus far. And just for shits and giggles, he brought in Clay, whose best move for the team was getting injured (not that I'd wish it on him, I'd rather just cut him) and paid Stewart $3m to be a giant, fork wielding corpse.
That last drive was encouraging...by the Optimists.
Shurmur was the right hire...by the McAdoo is Satan crowd...
Barkley was the best pick ever...by the style over substance crowd.
OBJ was still worth the money...by the OBJ makes the best one handed catches crowd...
Am I missing anything?
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and chose a path that led to a decade of contention and two championships. I'll never understand why they didn't follow the same blueprint.
Maras tied to Eli. It's almost as if Johnny Boy didn't want a replay of how Simms left.
Man, I think you nailed it and I can’t believe I hadn’t thought about that.
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Oline sucks, Dallas much better then folks think. Dak can throw better then people thought. I just don’t understand how people could dismiss this Dallas team given the circumstances.
No. Dallas is dogshit. The Giants are simply that much worse.
Don’t agree. Dallas Defense is much better then ours. They can pressure the QB with their front 4, they have solid LBers and now their secondary is decent too. Offensively, they are very average and their RPOmate our lunch tonight, but I wouldn’t call them shit. League average perhaps, but much better then this shitshow we have anyway
He was featured a lot on screes and passes, the one scoring drive the team had he was the main reason it happened along with the one long pass to Latimer.
I don't remember too many screens. Maybe I'm forgetting one or two but most of the passes to Barkley were swing passes.
So far there is no difference. So far, Reese/McAdoo = Gettleman/Shurmur
ELI is the common FACTOR of the dumpster fire
Mog Follies, Polly wogs, Folies bergere, etc .... take your pick.
This line is dreadful and nothing on offense will work until it is fixed.
ELI is not good. I LOVE the guy and his two titles. HE IS DONE.
It’s also scary that DG and Shurm both thought Eli has a lot left in the tank after evaluating him last year. He is toast.
Did they? Or did they understand that the ownership wanted Eli back and so they played along. Both were just glad to get second shots in their roles. Figured they'd make the best of it and probably convinced themselves it could work.
Getting it out of the can early helps. If they lose the next one, then you still have all of fall to enjoy the good weather and other, actual competitive football games on TV.
Hopefully, in the meanwhile someone at Giants HQ can help Mara dislodge his head from his ass and make a good move for a change.
I dismissed them because I am a CLOWN like the GIANTS.
This line is dreadful and nothing on offense will work until it is fixed.
Maybe not. But I keep hearing that Barkley's inability to gain yardage is due to the OL, so there was no point in drafting him either when you consider the career longevity of a RB.
Meanwhile, draft a mobile QB and it eases the pressure on the OL, not to mention you could have had him sit behind Eli for a year and made the OL a two year project (Mahomes sat behind Smith and seems to be just fine).
*I* flinch now when I watch him get hit . . . I sincerely would love to see him go out w/ a good season, but this is just brutal
OL, QB, pass rush all need a massive rebuild . . .
We can't get him the ball. So what's the point?
It's just been mistake after mistake for years.
Probably will have another shot at a QB this year, maybe they should make the right decision this time.
Thanks for the 2 SBs and SB but you are done...
Flowers to try and make a transition to RT, when the new
RG seems clueless on stunts, wow.
I still think they should have drafted a QB.
Apparently I am not alone on that subject reading the comments, so I won't belabor the point.
The thing with Eli is that he needs the O-Line to be nearly flawless in pass-blocking in order to succeed. If he has to move from the pocket and improvise because of pressure, he doesn't know what to do and panics.
Duds
1) Omameh
2) Spence
3) Jenkins
4) the rest of the OL
5) The pass rush
Studs
... manning 2 for 2 on 4th and 1 :-)
Letting Beckham walk?
Drafting Darnold?
This would have been your game plan?
Anything else?
I'd love to know the FA you would have spent the $$$$ on in the past 3-4 years?
I get your a "don't over pay for the name" guy? However, we had holes across the board. Who would you bring in?
Slightly better than last week, but not much.
He was an overpay from the beg., just what teams do
when they are desperate.
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can still play, but for a team with a better OL.
The thing with Eli is that he needs the O-Line to be nearly flawless in pass-blocking in order to succeed. If he has to move from the pocket and improvise because of pressure, he doesn't know what to do and panics.
Agreed. Everything has to be nearly perfect, which is proof that he's at or near the end.
Omameh has beena disappointment.
Hopefully, they do something this week to fix or at least slow the leaks.
That last drive was encouraging...by the Optimists.
Shurmur was the right hire...by the McAdoo is Satan crowd...
Barkley was the best pick ever...by the style over substance crowd.
OBJ was still worth the money...by the OBJ makes the best one handed catches crowd...
Am I missing anything?
I think that sums it up. I’ll also add in if Eli only had 10 more hall of famers around him on offense.
3-16 over the last 19 with 35 straight games under 30 points. Yet they went all in on s 3-13 team with a 37 year old declining qb.
This is comical to even argue what has to happen...
Let that one sink in for a minute.
It’s also scary that DG and Shurm both thought Eli has a lot left in the tank after evaluating him last year. He is toast.
What some of the fans here fail to recognize is that Eli’s lack of mobility greatly affects how teams play him. On obvious passing downs rushers are coming FULL TILT after Eli. Very few QBs see all out rushers like Eli because rushers know Eli can’t get away from them. It’s not like Rodgers, Stafford, Luck, Wilson, or 80% of other QBs where guys have to have controlled rushes as not to give up scrambling lanes. Teams know that moment Eli has to move that they have the advantage. There is no consequence for selling all out against Eli.
Untrue. The Giants have been band-aiding one year after the other, believing that with Eli they had a secure shot at another title, having won 2 already.
Since 2011, that hope has keep them right at the brink, refusing to make major, wholesale changes. They decide to fire TC? They give McAdoo the job. They can Reese? They give the nod to Gettleman.
Everything has been with the belief that they're just a few tweaks here or there from the promised land, and the results prove that they're extremely wrong.
That last drive was encouraging...by the Optimists.
Shurmur was the right hire...by the McAdoo is Satan crowd...
Barkley was the best pick ever...by the style over substance crowd.
OBJ was still worth the money...by the OBJ makes the best one handed catches crowd...
Am I missing anything?
I stopped reading after your first line of ignorance.
Shephard, Engram, Latimer, were nonexistent. Shurmer NEEDS to justify his playcalling. We should demand to know how they prepared for this game and what their offensive philosophy was for this game.
Might as well start Lauletta next week against Houston. Can't be worse than what we already are, the worst team in the NFC.
Actually that goes to the cardinals they have scored 6 points in 2 games losing 34 to 0 today.
Let that one sink in for a minute.
Actually Greco didn’t look too bad, but this might be an opportunity now for a guy like Pulley. Greco is the back up at Center and Guard and so, I think it might be Pulley now.
Lost in the offensive mess, the defense finished the night with no sacks, no tackles for a loss, only two pass defenses, and no turnovers.
Lost in the offensive mess, the defense finished the night with no sacks, no tackles for a loss, only two pass defenses, and no turnovers.
Bingo. This league is about making plays. Sacks, picks, strips. Giving up a couple of TD's, a bunch of punts gets you a participation trophy.
But Jax didn't have game film on what the Giants/Shurmur were going to do, so they played it straight up and applied pretty good pressure with their talent.
Tonight...Dallas figured they would test the Giants with pressure - and I feel the Giants felt Dallas would lay back - and Dallas was simply all over them.
Going forward, the Giants are going to be blitzed like tonight until they prove they can stop it.
and move Hernandez over I know that he would be making a
Transition but you never know maybe that’s the move to try
At this time I mean they need to do something .......
They miss Vernon and hopefully Carter grows up quick. They're not egtting mush pass rush from Martin Barwin has a few miles left - but he's a speller, not a starter at this point
They miss Vernon and hopefully Carter grows up quick. They're not egtting mush pass rush from Martin Barwin has a few miles left - but he's a speller, not a starter at this point
Fuck Vernon and barwins getting shaken out of his shoes. Just another eagle taken by the giants who had a fork in his back
They miss Vernon and hopefully Carter grows up quick. They're not egtting mush pass rush from Martin Barwin has a few miles left - but he's a speller, not a starter at this point
Ehhh..those two INTs were exactly easy. The defense recovered and played decently after those first two drives, but the lack of sacks - and pressure - was most disappointing to me.
Any offensive production would have made this a ball game.
Barwin had a knockdown, almost pick and knocked a pass down last week. He's made some plays - but he's not a starter at this point.
If anything, they might want to mix some caution with that aggressive direction the defense is heading. Some of the plays they are giving up is due to team's taking advantage of theri aggression.
First one would have been a helluva play - Deayon should have pulled that in.
Lost in the offensive mess, the defense finished the night with no sacks, no tackles for a loss, only two pass defenses, and no turnovers.
It is not like Dallas was going up and down the field on us they held Elliot to 78 on 17 carries and Dak had 160 yards in which 64 came on one play. The defense kept the game close and it was the offense that didn't take advantage.
Barwin had a knockdown, almost pick and knocked a pass down last week. He's made some plays - but he's not a starter at this point.
If anything, they might want to mix some caution with that aggressive direction the defense is heading. Some of the plays they are giving up is due to team's taking advantage of theri aggression.
They’ll be winless whenever he shows up. He’ll be a huge help in getting all his close but no cigar pressures/sacks then. Another FA loser.
The offense lost this game, but the defense didn't help.
The offense lost this game, but the defense didn't help.
The stats may not be appealing but this wasn't on the defense. Hell the Giants even won the time of possession. It wasn't pretty by the defense, but after that first td they settled down. Had the offense actually showed up in the first two games the Giants would have wins. A running game would do wonders for both sides of the ball
Elliott has only 78 yards - 1 pass play = about 40% of their passing yards.
no sacks - but a lot of hurries
There really are only about two really good OLs. So he’s fucked
WTF is with Jenkins? 2nd time he gets torched on the 1st series of the game by a nobody.
OLine blows, but the safety or slot blitz was what got them last night. I turned it off at halftime, but up til then Flowers was easily handling Lawrence. Omameh was the weak link, Sad to say, but Jerry need to start.
Buck up boys, they'll be in position for the "Franchise" QB come may. Then draft 3 OL after.
Agree. Rooting for draft picks last year wasn't fun but unless something drastically changes, it looks like that's what I'll be doing again this season! SMFH
WTF is with Jenkins? 2nd time he gets torched on the 1st series of the game by a nobody.
OLine blows, but the safety or slot blitz was what got them last night. I turned it off at halftime, but up til then Flowers was easily handling Lawrence. Omameh was the weak link, Sad to say, but Jerry need to start.
Buck up boys, they'll be in position for the "Franchise" QB come may. Then draft 3 OL after.
Correction one Olineman and 2 Dlineman one of which will get hurt smh
It's early, but judging by the first couple of games, the scouts and management should be fired if they weren't sold on this QB class. Next year's class is significantly less impressive. They will have to wait two years to have a shot at a franchise-quality QB, and then they will need to have one of the first two picks.
It's the NFL, not Harvard. O Linemen do as good Marines do. They do what they're told and it was painfully present last night that they weren't taught how to pick up stunts that haven't worked since the 1970s.
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that's not what they did - they know he's not the future but weren't sold on any of the QBs in this year's draft.
It's early, but judging by the first couple of games, the scouts and management should be fired if they weren't sold on this QB class. Next year's class is significantly less impressive. They will have to wait two years to have a shot at a franchise-quality QB, and then they will need to have one of the first two picks.
Depending on who comes out there are potentially a couple of pretty good QB prospects. It's not as deep a class, but it's not totally lacking in prospects.
I think they went Barkley because they think Eli can win if there is a running game. I agree with that. I don't think it has to be the best running game in the league. I think any running game at all would make a huge difference.
Not just Allen. They had their choice of 3 guys. They blew it and now they have to own it.
And regarding Barkley: he’s probably not cracking 1000 yards this year. Not exactly “touched by the hand of God” stuff.
...era is over with the Giants.
We may see Eli starting every game this year (and maybe next year as well), but that's not the MVP Eli Manning of two Super Bowls.
It's a very sad facsimile.
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a train wreck...
Lost in the offensive mess, the defense finished the night with no sacks, no tackles for a loss, only two pass defenses, and no turnovers.
Bingo. This league is about making plays. Sacks, picks, strips. Giving up a couple of TD's, a bunch of punts gets you a participation trophy.
and yet, Dallas only scored 20 and was given 3 points with the turnover. Considering how bad the offense was and that they had no splash plays, they held up surprisingly well.
On the other side of the ball, 0 sacks, 0 tackles for loss. No impact players over on that side of the ball.
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drafting Barkley and passing on Josh Allen. My opinion has not changed.
Not just Allen. They had their choice of 3 guys. They blew it and now they have to own it.
And regarding Barkley: he’s probably not cracking 1000 yards this year. Not exactly “touched by the hand of God” stuff.
None of the QBs they passed on have the track records of great NFL QBs. They didn't pass on Andrew Luck-type prospects. Heck, they didn't even pass on Eli/Rivers/Big Ben level prospects. Maybe one of them (or all three) will be great, but the odds are against it. Drafting a QB just because you need one even though they're not the right one is how teams end up in QB purgatory, not because they played another past his sell-by date.
As for this game, I didn't think the Giants were going to win anyway, but to see it play out was extremely disheartening. If it wasn't for the Cardinals, the Giants would be the worst team in the NFL. They are just seriously talent and depth deficient in so many areas. The offensive line was somehow worse than it was in the opener. They looked like they hadn't practiced all week... perhaps all summer. They've been non-competitive through 2 weeks. Eli Manning may be shot, but it's so hard to analyze that independent of an o-line that looks worse than anything else I see in the NFL.
The defense was okay at best. Giving up a TD to a struggling offense in 3 plays to start the game was a major kick in the nuts. Their effort is good, but they lack talent in the front 7 with the notable exception of Snacks. Ogletree has been a net negative so far (EE ran him over multiple times) and guys like Kareem Martin and Barwin should be bench guys, not starters. How many times can they fall for the run option? (Oh great, we have Deshaun Watson next week.) Eli Apple was playing well again, so of course he got hurt. Riley appears to be the next in a long line of free safeties who're free of talent. His angles are terrible and he's missing tackles.
I know it's just two weeks, but I'm not sure what exactly Pat Shurmur is bringing to the table. They looked almost exactly the same in Dallas last season (without Odell or Barkley) with the guy who supposedly couldn't coach.
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Eli still has it. He just needs ten more seconds...from the Eli Apologists.
That last drive was encouraging...by the Optimists.
Shurmur was the right hire...by the McAdoo is Satan crowd...
Barkley was the best pick ever...by the style over substance crowd.
OBJ was still worth the money...by the OBJ makes the best one handed catches crowd...
Am I missing anything?
I stopped reading after your first line of ignorance.
It's always easier to just attack others than to discuss the issues, really there is one main issue, there is NO O-line.
Lost in the offensive mess, the defense finished the night with no sacks, no tackles for a loss, only two pass defenses, and no turnovers.
Yet still had only given up 13 points going into the 4th qtr. And 3 of those points were from Eli’s turnover at the 30. They aren’t the problem.
Coughlin would use this to motivate this sorry franchise to crush NE!
Coughlin would use this to motivate this sorry franchise to crush NE!
What we saw last night were the same Giants team that existed under McAdoo, and the same Giants team that existed the last few years under Coughlin.
A lot of people seem to forget how ill prepared and undisciplined this team was the last few years under TC.