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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/16/2018 10:52 pm
Yuck.
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RE: C'mon ...  
short lease : 9/16/2018 11:17 pm : link
In comment 14079372 short lease said:
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This close .... 20 - 13!



Yea ...right. Same with last weeks final score. We never had momentum, we were never in control of the game.
RE: I called this one early in the week......  
Rflairr : 9/16/2018 11:17 pm : link
In comment 14079361 Simms11 said:
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Oline sucks, Dallas much better then folks think. Dak can throw better then people thought. I just don’t understand how people could dismiss this Dallas team given the circumstances.


Dallas is awful. Marineli just kicked Shurmur’s ass. And he knows how to rattle Eli. Eli hasn’t been good against Dallas since he’s been their DC
The brass and front office grossly over estimated  
GiantFanInTX : 9/16/2018 11:18 pm : link
Eli Manning and the o line. Had Eli had an off year I could understand it, but he’s been pretty bad for 3+ seasons now. It is time to move on after this season. In fact, lauletta should start by week 8. Let’s see what he’s got. There was no way the giants were filling the holes in one off season.
RE: I called this one early in the week......  
FStubbs : 9/16/2018 11:18 pm : link
In comment 14079361 Simms11 said:
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Oline sucks, Dallas much better then folks think. Dak can throw better then people thought. I just don’t understand how people could dismiss this Dallas team given the circumstances.


Dallas is mediocre at best. This team is just horrific.

THe showing against Jacksonville was because there wasn't any film on Shurmur's Giants' approach/strategies yet.
When do we admit Eli is a big part of the problem?  
The_Boss : 9/16/2018 11:18 pm : link
When we’re 0-6?

It’s also scary that DG and Shurm both thought Eli has a lot left in the tank after evaluating him last year. He is toast.
I Just don't see blaming Eli here  
PatersonPlank : 9/16/2018 11:18 pm : link
No time, no holes, OL still a work in progress. Can't pick up normal stunts and any kind of blitz. No QB could function out there.
Probably right regarding Simms  
bceagle05 : 9/16/2018 11:19 pm : link
but Phil was released off a playoff season - 3-13 is another story. It's a real shame all around.
A Weekly Giants game used to be an event,  
RottenApple : 9/16/2018 11:19 pm : link
now it’s just a burden.
This defense is playing just like last season....  
Doomster : 9/16/2018 11:20 pm : link
It will get to the point where they will just start to go through the motions because the offense can't score......another shitshow season....
RE: I Just don't see blaming Eli here  
Rflairr : 9/16/2018 11:20 pm : link
In comment 14079392 PatersonPlank said:
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No time, no holes, OL still a work in progress. Can't pick up normal stunts and any kind of blitz. No QB could function out there.


Your QB is just as important as the OL when it comes to blitzes.
RE: Bookmark this link...  
jcn56 : 9/16/2018 11:20 pm : link
In comment 14079236 Tesla said:
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so you can refer to it weekly. A GIF to remember - ( New Window )


But wait, he uses cute nicknames like Hog Mollies! And he hates nerds! And all that math, why the hell would anyone use math in sports?

This organization needed to flush the toilet - clean slate. New GM, new way of thinking, new scouts, new coaches. A fair evaluation of the roster with a rebuild based on that new approach.

What did we get instead? Two retreads, and the return of a formula that has been losing for years - an immobile pocket QB and an OL that couldn't block for Usain Bolt.

With an opportunity to pick from a list of promising college QBs in the deepest QB draft in years, we picked a RB 2nd overall - and made him one of the highest paid RBs in the league - on a team that can't block for shit and needed a QB at the latest within a year or two.

It would be fucking hysterical if it weren't so sad.
It Will Take More Than 1 Year  
Trainmaster : 9/16/2018 11:20 pm : link
to fix the Hell Hole that Reese and Ross left this franchise in.
Marinelli?  
bc4life : 9/16/2018 11:21 pm : link
It's the OLine - they kept running the same blitzes and Giants never figured out a way to make them pay.

OLine was a joke tonight - and Giants missed Vernon.

They actually played better against a much better DLine last week.
The line  
mattyblue : 9/16/2018 11:21 pm : link
sucked, but Eli doesn’t look good the rare occasion he has time
Watching Elliot and Prescott get interviewed  
St. Jimmy : 9/16/2018 11:21 pm : link
really drove home how easy it is t o write this team. I didn't give a fuck and was more surprised that Elliot has a nose ring.
RE: I called this one early in the week......  
Greg from LI : 9/16/2018 11:21 pm : link
In comment 14079361 Simms11 said:
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Oline sucks, Dallas much better then folks think. Dak can throw better then people thought. I just don’t understand how people could dismiss this Dallas team given the circumstances.


No. Dallas is dogshit. The Giants are simply that much worse.
RE: RE: I called this one early in the week......  
jcn56 : 9/16/2018 11:21 pm : link
In comment 14079383 FStubbs said:
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In comment 14079361 Simms11 said:


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Oline sucks, Dallas much better then folks think. Dak can throw better then people thought. I just don’t understand how people could dismiss this Dallas team given the circumstances.



Dallas is mediocre at best. This team is just horrific.

THe showing against Jacksonville was because there wasn't any film on Shurmur's Giants' approach/strategies yet.


I doubt it was that, they probably just figured with Fournette out it was easy enough to play a very conservative game and let the Giants beat themselves, which they did.
RE: This defense is playing just like last season....  
RottenApple : 9/16/2018 11:22 pm : link
In comment 14079400 Doomster said:
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It will get to the point where they will just start to go through the motions because the offense can't score......another shitshow season....


Exactly. Jenkins will be quitting very shortly.
I’m wondering how Zeke would look behind our Oline?  
Simms11 : 9/16/2018 11:22 pm : link
I didn’t see anything special from him. His Oline opened things up for him.

Barkley had to dance around just o get a few yards. Oline still a work in progress. Solder also not getting it done on the left side. We paid a lot of money for him.
RE: RE: Eli  
AcidTest : 9/16/2018 11:23 pm : link
In comment 14079370 AcesUp said:
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is definitely part of the problem. As someone said. bad OL play is rampant, but other QBs are still more effective because they are mobile. The Giants overestimated how much they fixed the OL, and how important that was for Eli to be effective.



It's not just mobility. It's poise. Eli is shellshocked.


Agreed. He has no confidence.
RE: Giants were faced with the same exact scenario in '03-'04  
Mr. Bungle : 9/16/2018 11:23 pm : link
In comment 14079353 bceagle05 said:
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and chose a path that led to a decade of contention and two championships. I'll never understand why they didn't follow the same blueprint.

Because there was no sentimentality involved in moving on from Kerry Collins.
What would this offense do without Barkley?  
Doomster : 9/16/2018 11:23 pm : link
I know it's hard to imagine, but it would be worse....
Look on the bright side ...  
short lease : 9/16/2018 11:23 pm : link
Philly and Washington lost today. All of a sudden we don't look so bad ....
Game was over  
ryanmkeane : 9/16/2018 11:23 pm : link
when you punt on 4th and inches past midfield down 7. Just took the energy out of the game honestly
RE: It Will Take More Than 1 Year  
jcn56 : 9/16/2018 11:24 pm : link
In comment 14079410 Trainmaster said:
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to fix the Hell Hole that Reese and Ross left this franchise in.


Fuck that noise - Reese is gone, and the excuse went with him.

Gettleman paid big bucks to Solder and Omameh, drafted Hernandez early in the 2nd, and they all look like shit thus far. And just for shits and giggles, he brought in Clay, whose best move for the team was getting injured (not that I'd wish it on him, I'd rather just cut him) and paid Stewart $3m to be a giant, fork wielding corpse.
Paralyzed by the past  
Sean : 9/16/2018 11:24 pm : link
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It’ll be another week of...  
bw in dc : 9/16/2018 11:24 pm : link
Eli still has it. He just needs ten more seconds...from the Eli Apologists.

That last drive was encouraging...by the Optimists.

Shurmur was the right hire...by the McAdoo is Satan crowd...

Barkley was the best pick ever...by the style over substance crowd.

OBJ was still worth the money...by the OBJ makes the best one handed catches crowd...

Am I missing anything?
RE: RE: Giants were faced with the same exact scenario in '03-'04  
Danny Kanell : 9/16/2018 11:24 pm : link
In comment 14079369 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:
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In comment 14079353 bceagle05 said:


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and chose a path that led to a decade of contention and two championships. I'll never understand why they didn't follow the same blueprint.



Maras tied to Eli. It's almost as if Johnny Boy didn't want a replay of how Simms left.


Man, I think you nailed it and I can’t believe I hadn’t thought about that.
New name "The Hog Follies"  
micky : 9/16/2018 11:24 pm : link
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Good to know  
crick n NC : 9/16/2018 11:25 pm : link
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RE: RE: I called this one early in the week......  
Simms11 : 9/16/2018 11:25 pm : link
In comment 14079421 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 14079361 Simms11 said:


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Oline sucks, Dallas much better then folks think. Dak can throw better then people thought. I just don’t understand how people could dismiss this Dallas team given the circumstances.



No. Dallas is dogshit. The Giants are simply that much worse.


Don’t agree. Dallas Defense is much better then ours. They can pressure the QB with their front 4, they have solid LBers and now their secondary is decent too. Offensively, they are very average and their RPOmate our lunch tonight, but I wouldn’t call them shit. League average perhaps, but much better then this shitshow we have anyway
RE: RE: What was the point of drafting Barkley if you're not going to use him?  
Vanzetti : 9/16/2018 11:27 pm : link
In comment 14079259 rocco8112 said:
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He was featured a lot on screes and passes, the one scoring drive the team had he was the main reason it happened along with the one long pass to Latimer.



I don't remember too many screens. Maybe I'm forgetting one or two but most of the passes to Barkley were swing passes.
So far not much has paid off with the new regime  
moespree : 9/16/2018 11:28 pm : link
The coach makes the same strange in game decisions as McAdoo, has poor clock management like McAdoo and calls a similarly shitty game like McAdoo. And have any of the decisions Dave Gettleman made been successful yet?

So far there is no difference. So far, Reese/McAdoo = Gettleman/Shurmur
RE: .  
RodneyHampton : 9/16/2018 11:28 pm : link
AGREE!! Complete waste of talented skills players. No winning with OBJ and Barkley will be an EPIC FAIL.

ELI is the common FACTOR of the dumpster fire
On paper we win  
Jimmy Googs : 9/16/2018 11:28 pm : link
Right Eric?

Kind of at a loss for words right now.  
j_rud : 9/16/2018 11:29 pm : link
Another season of this shit is gonna be hard to take.
RE: New name  
short lease : 9/16/2018 11:29 pm : link
In comment 14079458 micky said:
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Mog Follies, Polly wogs, Folies bergere, etc .... take your pick.
"Win Now team", etc.  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/16/2018 11:29 pm : link
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Having Sam Darnold on the roster  
Mike from Ohio : 9/16/2018 11:29 pm : link
and Wayne Glamman at RB would not have changed the outcome of this game. The draft pick was not the wrong move. Putting Erik Flowers at RT and starting Omameh and Halapio are the issue. You can score points when guys have free runs as the QB and ball carrier.

This line is dreadful and nothing on offense will work until it is fixed.
RE: I Just don't see blaming Eli here  
RodneyHampton : 9/16/2018 11:30 pm : link
In comment 14079392 PatersonPlank said:
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No time, no holes, OL still a work in progress. Can't pick up normal stunts and any kind of blitz. No QB could function out there.


ELI is not good. I LOVE the guy and his two titles. HE IS DONE.
RE: When do we admit Eli is a big part of the problem?  
bluepepper : 9/16/2018 11:31 pm : link
In comment 14079387 The_Boss said:
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When we’re 0-6?

It’s also scary that DG and Shurm both thought Eli has a lot left in the tank after evaluating him last year. He is toast.

Did they? Or did they understand that the ownership wanted Eli back and so they played along. Both were just glad to get second shots in their roles. Figured they'd make the best of it and probably convinced themselves it could work.
RE: Kind of at a loss for words right now.  
jcn56 : 9/16/2018 11:31 pm : link
In comment 14079492 j_rud said:
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Another season of this shit is gonna be hard to take.


Getting it out of the can early helps. If they lose the next one, then you still have all of fall to enjoy the good weather and other, actual competitive football games on TV.

Hopefully, in the meanwhile someone at Giants HQ can help Mara dislodge his head from his ass and make a good move for a change.
RE: I called this one early in the week......  
RodneyHampton : 9/16/2018 11:32 pm : link
In comment 14079361 Simms11 said:
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Oline sucks, Dallas much better then folks think. Dak can throw better then people thought. I just don’t understand how people could dismiss this Dallas team given the circumstances.


I dismissed them because I am a CLOWN like the GIANTS.
OL talent  
AcesUp : 9/16/2018 11:32 pm : link
Something to think about. The panthers have lost Norwell to FA (All Pro) and Trai Turner (Pro Bowl), Matt Kalil (Big $$ FA) and Daryl Williams (Pro Bowler) to injury since last year. I watched that entire game today and their offense was significantly better than ours. The titans lost their top 3 OTs to injury this year...they won. We're not the only team dealing with OL issues, we're just the only team that can't overcome them.
RE: Having Sam Darnold on the roster  
jcn56 : 9/16/2018 11:33 pm : link
In comment 14079501 Mike from Ohio said:
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and Wayne Glamman at RB would not have changed the outcome of this game. The draft pick was not the wrong move. Putting Erik Flowers at RT and starting Omameh and Halapio are the issue. You can score points when guys have free runs as the QB and ball carrier.

This line is dreadful and nothing on offense will work until it is fixed.


Maybe not. But I keep hearing that Barkley's inability to gain yardage is due to the OL, so there was no point in drafting him either when you consider the career longevity of a RB.

Meanwhile, draft a mobile QB and it eases the pressure on the OL, not to mention you could have had him sit behind Eli for a year and made the OL a two year project (Mahomes sat behind Smith and seems to be just fine).
RE: I called this one early in the week......  
DavidinBMNY : 9/16/2018 11:33 pm : link
In comment 14079361 Simms11 said:
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Oline sucks, Dallas much better then folks think. Dak can throw better then people thought. I just don’t understand how people could dismiss this Dallas team given the circumstances.
Dak is great when there is no pass rush. Better team won today. Yes their WR core is weak but our OL is weaker.
Look  
Andrew in Austin : 9/16/2018 11:33 pm : link
I love Eli - but some of the hits he took tonight have to have him still hearing footsteps with the game being over. Not sure at this age and after several seasons of crap OLs he is going to be able to see the game cleanly

*I* flinch now when I watch him get hit . . . I sincerely would love to see him go out w/ a good season, but this is just brutal

OL, QB, pass rush all need a massive rebuild . . .
Eli  
AcidTest : 9/16/2018 11:33 pm : link
can still play, but for a team with a better OL.
It's not just passing on Darnold  
Go Terps : 9/16/2018 11:33 pm : link
Paying Beckham was also really fucking stupid. We've averaged 21 PPG since we drafted him. And now less money to invest where it's sorely needed.

We can't get him the ball. So what's the point?

It's just been mistake after mistake for years.
RE: You gotta lower your expectations  
DavidinBMNY : 9/16/2018 11:34 pm : link
In comment 14079373 Oscar said:
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Makes this stuff go down easier. The Giants are a bad team AND a poorly run team. Once you accept that it’s easy to deal with the losses.

Probably will have another shot at a QB this year, maybe they should make the right decision this time.
They are aggressively scouting qbs. They need OL just as bad.
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