Barkley was the right choice

And we don’t have a QB. No he wasn’t.

This oline with a rookie QB and Gallman/Stewart as our RB’s would have been laughable.

In comment 14079277 BigBlue4You09 said:

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This oline with a rookie QB and Gallman/Stewart as our RB’s would have been laughable.

Yes, and this isn't laughable.

Maybe a rookie QB is drafted for more than their first season?

Darnold or Rosen who just turned 21, may play 15-20 years in this league.

barkley was definitely the safe pick and for a franchise that has struggled for a little while, an almost sure thing is necessary.

we are gonna be in striking distance of a QB the next two seasns probably

right choice. My concern is that I have not seen many RB's, if any that plant as hard and as often as he does. That concerns me because bad things can happen when planting so often.

In comment 14079292 twostepgiants said:

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Maybe a rookie QB is drafted for more than their first season? Darnold or Rosen who just turned 21, may play 15-20 years in this league.

This

Barkly is the player that they said we were getting. They failed at their online choices so far. That is a longer process.

Every week? It’s only 2 weeks but the team might somehow be worse than last year. And I wouldn’t be surprised if he fails to crack 1000 yards on the year either. All while Eli looks completely cooked.

for the Giants to ever get a QB was in the 2018 Draft. There are more drafts to come, trades to make, free agents to sign.

Whether or not they made the right decision, this wasn't the only chance to get a QB. They got a player who looks great. Let's just be happy with that, for now.

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I'm still not convinced of the greatness of any of the QBs (including the wunderkind in Florham Park), but I am and always have been convinced that Saquon Barkley will be a special player in the NFL and the best RB prospect since Adrian Peterson.

ever actually seen Sanders play?

Barkley might end up a good back - but aside from that one play against Jax, what have you seen that makes you think he's in the same universe as Sanders? That guy single handedly carried a shit team in every game he played. Tonight, all we kept hearing about was how bad Barkley's blocking was.

I understand that this concept is difficult to understand on BBI, but drafting a qb wasn’t about 2018, it was about the next 15 years. Drafting Barkley was about this year and next. They don’t look even remotely close to competitive with Barkley. You have an o line who can block and a qb who can’t throw, and they take a running back.

Your post is immediately disregarded. Sorry.

What good is a RB, if your OL wasn’t good

From Evan Silva says it all, and he’s 100% right.

@evansilva
#Giants had a chance to spike their organizational trajectory & carve out a competitive advantage with a franchise QB on a 5-year rookie deal. Instead, they settled for a washed QB & the 6th-highest-paid RB in NFL.

In comment 14079340 lax counsel said:

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I understand that this concept is difficult to understand on BBI, but drafting a qb wasn’t about 2018, it was about the next 15 years. Drafting Barkley was about this year and next. They don’t look even remotely close to competitive with Barkley. You have an o line who can block and a qb who can’t throw, and they take a running back.

so last year was the only year they would have a chance to get a qb?

so you would rather of had them draft a guy they were not sure about over a player that could be a hall of fame talent?

you draft best player available, thisnpast draft was not their only chance to get a qb

In comment 14079338 jcn56 said:

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ever actually seen Sanders play? Barkley might end up a good back - but aside from that one play against Jax, what have you seen that makes you think he's in the same universe as Sanders? That guy single handedly carried a shit team in every game he played. Tonight, all we kept hearing about was how bad Barkley's blocking was.

Barry Sanders was my favorite back to watch. He made thankgsgiving worth it. I loved watching the lions any chance I could get no mater how bad the game was. I didn't say he was in the same universe. I said I haven't seen cuts made like he makes since Sanders. I do think though he is going to be great.

Yeah they look like shit blah blah blah. Like Dicksworth said, sorry Collinsworth, they look like a lot of guys that haven't played together long. Which some haven't.

I firmly believe they will get better as the season goes on. Maybe they'll make the payoffs. Maybe not but I'll never give up on my team.

In comment 14079362 Josh in the City said:

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From Evan Silva says it all, and he’s 100% right. @evansilva #Giants had a chance to spike their organizational trajectory & carve out a competitive advantage with a franchise QB on a 5-year rookie deal. Instead, they settled for a washed QB & the 6th-highest-paid RB in NFL.

He also thinks Sashi Brown was a good GM and the fall guy for the Browns. Yes, he ACTUALLY THOUGHT THE BROWNS DRAFTED WELL UNDER SASHI BROWN.

In comment 14079363 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 14079340 lax counsel said: Quote: I understand that this concept is difficult to understand on BBI, but drafting a qb wasn’t about 2018, it was about the next 15 years. Drafting Barkley was about this year and next. They don’t look even remotely close to competitive with Barkley. You have an o line who can block and a qb who can’t throw, and they take a running back. so last year was the only year they would have a chance to get a qb? so you would rather of had them draft a guy they were not sure about over a player that could be a hall of fame talent? you draft best player available, thisnpast draft was not their only chance to get a qb

You must be from the “it’s easy to get your next franchise qb, they grow on trees crowd.” Also, please don’t bring up the 2019 draft for qbs so those of us with actual knowledge of the qb position and college football don’t have to jump down your throat.

was literally the lone bright spot on offense tonight. If the Giants stop trying to let Eli be 2011 Eli and make him manage the game by protecting the ball and staying ahead of the downs they will be a better football team. Eli needs protection to operate in the NFL now, something the Giants can not do. Get out of shotgun and run down hill, if Eli can't operate an offense from under center then he's no better than a rookie QB at this point. Its extremely hard to ask a RB to run out of shotgun all game

a lot jerseys. So that’s good for Mara.

Fans of teams in the division agreed this was a bad pick. Jet fans were ecstatic with the pick.

In comment 14079292 twostepgiants said:

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Maybe a rookie QB is drafted for more than their first season? Darnold or Rosen who just turned 21, may play 15-20 years in this league.

Rosen and Darnold won't last 15-20 years behind this line. You see what has happened to RG3 and Luck?

In comment 14079385 lax counsel said:

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In comment 14079363 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 14079340 lax counsel said: Quote: I understand that this concept is difficult to understand on BBI, but drafting a qb wasn’t about 2018, it was about the next 15 years. Drafting Barkley was about this year and next. They don’t look even remotely close to competitive with Barkley. You have an o line who can block and a qb who can’t throw, and they take a running back. so last year was the only year they would have a chance to get a qb? so you would rather of had them draft a guy they were not sure about over a player that could be a hall of fame talent? you draft best player available, thisnpast draft was not their only chance to get a qb You must be from the “it’s easy to get your next franchise qb, they grow on trees crowd.” Also, please don’t bring up the 2019 draft for qbs so those of us with actual knowledge of the qb position and college football don’t have to jump down your throat.

there are different ways to get a qb other than just the draft...

and who said it was easy? and who said any qb from this draft will be a franchise qb?

Darnold. It doesn't matter who the pick is if the OL can't block or pass protect. A more mobile QB would be able to avoid some of that pressure, but would still be running for his life on most plays.

I'm beginning to think that rebuilding the OL should have begun by trading down and taking Nelson. Barkley is a special player, but even his awesome talent might not be enough to compensate for this OL. A bad OL could waste his talent just like it wasted Eli's.

In comment 14079399 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 14079385 lax counsel said: Quote: In comment 14079363 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 14079340 lax counsel said: Quote: I understand that this concept is difficult to understand on BBI, but drafting a qb wasn’t about 2018, it was about the next 15 years. Drafting Barkley was about this year and next. They don’t look even remotely close to competitive with Barkley. You have an o line who can block and a qb who can’t throw, and they take a running back. so last year was the only year they would have a chance to get a qb? so you would rather of had them draft a guy they were not sure about over a player that could be a hall of fame talent? you draft best player available, thisnpast draft was not their only chance to get a qb You must be from the “it’s easy to get your next franchise qb, they grow on trees crowd.” Also, please don’t bring up the 2019 draft for qbs so those of us with actual knowledge of the qb position and college football don’t have to jump down your throat. there are different ways to get a qb other than just the draft... and who said it was easy? and who said any qb from this draft will be a franchise qb?

They’ll just sign the next great free agent qb that hit the open market every year !! Nick Foles here we come!! Please just stop.

And could also still have been the wrong choice. QB and running back are basically on opposite ends of the spectrum in terms of value. A good QB is so much more important than even a great running back.

They made a huge, huge mistake not drafting Darnold. It will be a famous what if, moreso because he went to the Jets.

evaluated all the QB's available there and felt that none of them was near a sure thing. They felt Barkley was. As I contended a few weeks ago their bet was that if they can improve the O-line with these weapons that either Eli or a guy like Lauletta could succeed. The same peopel that say you don't just take a franchise QB for 1 season have to realize that you don't put together this young talent at the skill positions for 1 season. Maybe their hope is to add a big time OT this off season. That makes the team a lot better. Sure adding a franchise QB does too but there's more than one way t build things. A lot of NFL personel people loved the Lauletta pick.

In comment 14079440 lax counsel said:

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In comment 14079399 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 14079385 lax counsel said: Quote: In comment 14079363 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 14079340 lax counsel said: Quote: I understand that this concept is difficult to understand on BBI, but drafting a qb wasn’t about 2018, it was about the next 15 years. Drafting Barkley was about this year and next. They don’t look even remotely close to competitive with Barkley. You have an o line who can block and a qb who can’t throw, and they take a running back. so last year was the only year they would have a chance to get a qb? so you would rather of had them draft a guy they were not sure about over a player that could be a hall of fame talent? you draft best player available, thisnpast draft was not their only chance to get a qb You must be from the “it’s easy to get your next franchise qb, they grow on trees crowd.” Also, please don’t bring up the 2019 draft for qbs so those of us with actual knowledge of the qb position and college football don’t have to jump down your throat. there are different ways to get a qb other than just the draft... and who said it was easy? and who said any qb from this draft will be a franchise qb? They’ll just sign the next great free agent qb that hit the open market every year !! Nick Foles here we come!! Please just stop.

so teams have not found their future qb in free agency?

not all franchise qbs are top 5 picks...

You realize this is opinion and not fact....right?

Barkley is a great player, he is fun to watch. Problem is, the motivation behind this choice seems to be rooted in the misguided notion that this team was ready to contend now.

is the player we expected.

A no-doubt-about-it impact player. With Beckham and Engram, he's the a guy/position we don't need to worry about for the next 5 years.

This game sucked ass but Barkley looked outstanding. And he's just getting started. His jump cuts and movement with the strength and quicks will pay off big time for us.

Eli? It's close to the end.

It's only 2 games in 2018 but he's running out of time. He has to play better in the next 3 games. If he doesn't, its over for the year, and we find a our next QB soon. Probably in round 1 next year.

In comment 14079470 joeinpa said:

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You realize this is opinion and not fact....right? Barkley is a great player, he is fun to watch. Problem is, the motivation behind this choice seems to be rooted in the misguided notion that this team was ready to contend now.

see thisnis where i have a problem with the decision...

i have no problem taking barkley but eli was not the answer anymore, he can not move...

the problem with keep eli the giants will not move on from him

In comment 14079467 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 14079440 lax counsel said: Quote: In comment 14079399 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 14079385 lax counsel said: Quote: In comment 14079363 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 14079340 lax counsel said: Quote: I understand that this concept is difficult to understand on BBI, but drafting a qb wasn’t about 2018, it was about the next 15 years. Drafting Barkley was about this year and next. They don’t look even remotely close to competitive with Barkley. You have an o line who can block and a qb who can’t throw, and they take a running back. so last year was the only year they would have a chance to get a qb? so you would rather of had them draft a guy they were not sure about over a player that could be a hall of fame talent? you draft best player available, thisnpast draft was not their only chance to get a qb You must be from the “it’s easy to get your next franchise qb, they grow on trees crowd.” Also, please don’t bring up the 2019 draft for qbs so those of us with actual knowledge of the qb position and college football don’t have to jump down your throat. there are different ways to get a qb other than just the draft... and who said it was easy? and who said any qb from this draft will be a franchise qb? They’ll just sign the next great free agent qb that hit the open market every year !! Nick Foles here we come!! Please just stop. so teams have not found their future qb in free agency? not all franchise qbs are top 5 picks...

Please list all of the teams who have found their legit decade long franchise qbs in free agency.

yeah, he makes the first guy miss, but then he gets tackled by a DB or loses his balance. A lot of East-West running, also, without turning it upfield. I don't notice him running over anyone like Elliot can. Take away the one long run, and his stats are ordinary at best.

The good news?

You're wrong.

In comment 14079362 Josh in the City said:

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From Evan Silva says it all, and he’s 100% right. @evansilva #Giants had a chance to spike their organizational trajectory & carve out a competitive advantage with a franchise QB on a 5-year rookie deal. Instead, they settled for a washed QB & the 6th-highest-paid RB in NFL.

Wow if Roto worlds resident fantasy guru says so it has to be true

were pathetic. Yet, I saw what this guy can do. He really is amazing. If only we had a mediocre Oline or a FB that could really block. I can dream, right?

In comment 14079292 twostepgiants said:

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Maybe a rookie QB is drafted for more than their first season? Darnold or Rosen who just turned 21, may play 15-20 years in this league.

Here is a counter thought: future drafts will have QBs. And we will likely pick early in at least the next one.

In comment 14079682 santacruzom said:

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In comment 14079292 twostepgiants said: Quote: Maybe a rookie QB is drafted for more than their first season? Darnold or Rosen who just turned 21, may play 15-20 years in this league. Here is a counter thought: future drafts will have QBs. And we will likely pick early in at least the next one.

Not all those future drafts will have the same quality of QBs. '18 was pointed to for years in advance as being one of the deepest in terms of quality. What happens if '19 doesn't have anyone worthy of selection?

In comment 14079362 Josh in the City said:

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From Evan Silva says it all, and he’s 100% right. @evansilva #Giants had a chance to spike their organizational trajectory & carve out a competitive advantage with a franchise QB on a 5-year rookie deal. Instead, they settled for a washed QB & the 6th-highest-paid RB in NFL.

That guy clearly doesn't know the cost of cutting Eli Manning this year.

May actually be better to have a rookie QB on a five year deal beginning NEXT year, and just play the rookie.

In comment 14079688 jcn56 said:

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In comment 14079682 santacruzom said: Quote: In comment 14079292 twostepgiants said: Quote: Maybe a rookie QB is drafted for more than their first season? Darnold or Rosen who just turned 21, may play 15-20 years in this league. Here is a counter thought: future drafts will have QBs. And we will likely pick early in at least the next one. Not all those future drafts will have the same quality of QBs. '18 was pointed to for years in advance as being one of the deepest in terms of quality. What happens if '19 doesn't have anyone worthy of selection?

You never quite know who's going to develop into an early first rounder talent, and then you never know who is going to exceed expectations set by a QBs college career.

I'm pretty confident a very good QB will arise from the 2019 class, like one or more has in most recent years that weren't initially thought of as great QB classes.

In comment 14079505 Bill in UT said:

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yeah, he makes the first guy miss, but then he gets tackled by a DB or loses his balance. A lot of East-West running, also, without turning it upfield. I don't notice him running over anyone like Elliot can. Take away the one long run, and his stats are ordinary at best.

Wtf game did you watch

Barkley was the lone bright spot, looks great so far.

Some don't watch or don't know what they're watching.

He looked good in game 1. MUCH better in game 2.

When do you think that will happen again?

until we see who the next Giants QB of the future is. I love Eli, and all he’s done, but I can’t watch him anymore. You need at least a little mobility in today’s game and he has less than none.

I was adamant on here about Darnold for months leading up to the draft but I’m rooting like hell for Saquon everytime he touches the ball. I thought all along they should’ve taken a quarterback but I’m going to reserve judgement until we see who they bring in here next. It could all still work out. I have to keep telling myself this to make me feel better about the future.

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