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This lost was on the defense and the OL not Eli...

nyblue56 : 9/16/2018 11:42 pm
Some of the expectations of Eli is ridiculous. The game plan was not smart as well. Most QBs not name Aaron Rodgers would have an issue with the OL tonight. The defense had too many missed tackles and brain freezes.
Of course it wasn't  
joeinpa : 9/16/2018 11:42 pm : link
it never is.
6 sacks  
bc4life : 9/16/2018 11:43 pm : link
multiple hits and couldn't run block - lot for any QB to overcome
some people  
Vanzetti : 9/16/2018 11:44 pm : link
just see what they want to see

D gave up two drives to start but basically completely shut Dallas down for most of the game until Apple went down and they just lost their legs from having an offense that did nothing
Oline gave up 6 sacks and couldn’t run block to  
Simms11 : 9/16/2018 11:47 pm : link
save their lives. Defense gave up the big play on first drive for TD and a few QB keepers. Other then that, they weren’t terrible, but they also did not pressure Dak at all. Even if OV can get back on the field will that be enough of pass rush? I think Bett her did ok given the circumstances.
The problem isn't that Eli  
MagicManning : 9/16/2018 11:50 pm : link
didn't win the game or have great stats. The problem is he looked lost, he is the starting QB and leader of this team. He needs to be better, he has reverted back to the guy Tiki Barber saw 12+ years ago. A guy who looks timid and scared, I'm not one for a QB yelling and screaming but show some life out there. Step onside toes and maybe things will start happening. I felt like if you asked Eli what happened after the game he would shrug his shoulders and say "theres always tomorrow". When in fact "There is no tomorrow!"
I love Eli but stop making excuses  
j_rud : 9/16/2018 11:51 pm : link
Its goddamn ridiculous already. I'm not going to pretend i can put a percentage on it his play has been a substantial part of this team scoring 2 TDs. One of which came on a crazy individual effort by a RB, and the other in garbage time.
The defense didn't give up a thing after they gave up between  
BestFeature : 9/16/2018 11:53 pm : link
the second drive and the last, wtf are you smoking? Literally, the Cowboys had one big play and two nice drives. They also had 3 points gifted to them by the offense. If you don't want to blame Eli fine, but don't say that this was on the defense. That's a fucking joke.
name me a QB  
Paulie Walnuts : 9/16/2018 11:57 pm : link
that could win with this OL tonight?

RE: Of course it wasn't  
montanagiant : 9/16/2018 11:58 pm : link
In comment 14079607 joeinpa said:
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it never is.

So enlighten us how it was his fault
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I'll wait but we both know you can't answer this..
Wait the defense gave up 160 passing yards  
Larry in Pencilvania : 9/17/2018 12:03 am : link
And 64 came on one play. Given the circumstances they did ok. Once Apple went out Webb got picked on but nothing bad. The problem is there no pass rush what so ever. The lack of a running game also hurt the Giants at the end because you could see they were gassed.

Another sloppy game where poor offensive line play resulted in no running game and a mediocre passing attack. This is a bad team
Eli was outperformed by arguably every other QB  
cwillm : 9/17/2018 12:03 am : link
Who started a game this week. Including Blaine Gabbert and rookies Darnold and Allen. Spare me the stats. If you want to quote me Elis garbage time yardage and TD that's fine, but let's not be delusional.

Other teams have o-lines that suck too. Other teams have injuries and less weapons at the skill positions.
RE: name me a QB  
Larry in Pencilvania : 9/17/2018 12:04 am : link
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that could win with this OL tonight?


Sam Darnold
RE: Eli was outperformed by arguably every other QB  
montanagiant : 9/17/2018 12:05 am : link
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Who started a game this week. Including Blaine Gabbert and rookies Darnold and Allen. Spare me the stats. If you want to quote me Elis garbage time yardage and TD that's fine, but let's not be delusional.

Other teams have o-lines that suck too. Other teams have injuries and less weapons at the skill positions.

What did Eli do wrong?
RE: RE: name me a QB  
Paulie Walnuts : 9/17/2018 12:08 am : link
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that could win with this OL tonight?




Sam Darnold
Saint Sam Darnold
RE: Wait the defense gave up 160 passing yards  
NikkiMac : 9/17/2018 12:13 am : link
In comment 14079726 Larry in Pencilvania said:
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And 64 came on one play. Given the circumstances they did ok. Once Apple went out Webb got picked on but nothing bad. The problem is there no pass rush what so ever. The lack of a running game also hurt the Giants at the end because you could see they were gassed.

Another sloppy game where poor offensive line play resulted in no running game and a mediocre passing attack. This is a bad team


Hate to say it but probably the worst team in the league right now .....
The game was 13-0  
St. Jimmy : 9/17/2018 12:20 am : link
for ever. The offense needs to score points.
RE: RE: Eli was outperformed by arguably every other QB  
cwillm : 9/17/2018 12:41 am : link
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Who started a game this week. Including Blaine Gabbert and rookies Darnold and Allen. Spare me the stats. If you want to quote me Elis garbage time yardage and TD that's fine, but let's not be delusional.

Other teams have o-lines that suck too. Other teams have injuries and less weapons at the skill positions.


What did Eli do wrong?


Nothing - he did nothing wrong. let's stay the course.
The defense Did not do as well as well as the stats might show....  
nyblue56 : 9/17/2018 12:45 am : link
They missed key tackles allowed long drives and allowed time and possessions to be shortened for the offense. As much as some of you want to say one player, Eli, is the issue, you clearly have to say the OL did not do its job. They can’t handle stunts. The RT is a liability. The RG is not far behind. If you want Eli to start throwing on the move or even attempt to throw a pass like the “miss” of Barkley in the end zone, then don’t complain about interceptions and too much gunslinger when he starts doing it.
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montanagiant : 9/17/2018 12:46 am : link
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Who started a game this week. Including Blaine Gabbert and rookies Darnold and Allen. Spare me the stats. If you want to quote me Elis garbage time yardage and TD that's fine, but let's not be delusional.

Other teams have o-lines that suck too. Other teams have injuries and less weapons at the skill positions.


What did Eli do wrong?



Nothing - he did nothing wrong. let's stay the course.

It's an easy question if you really think he blew it. Why can't you answer it?
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cwillm : 9/17/2018 12:57 am : link
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Who started a game this week. Including Blaine Gabbert and rookies Darnold and Allen. Spare me the stats. If you want to quote me Elis garbage time yardage and TD that's fine, but let's not be delusional.

Other teams have o-lines that suck too. Other teams have injuries and less weapons at the skill positions.


What did Eli do wrong?



Nothing - he did nothing wrong. let's stay the course.


It's an easy question if you really think he blew it. Why can't you answer it?


Here's my answer, montanagiant - he is completely immobile in the pocket, he was indecisive on numerous occasions tonight, lacks touch on short passes, and on multiple occasions tonight, IMO, made poor decisions such as throwing deep to Shep when double covered for a low % play opportunity numerous times.

He never got into any sort of rhythm. He is our quarterback. he scored three points during meaningful minutes tonight. there is no rhythm at all to the offense. What more needs to be explained, did you watch the game?
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montanagiant : 9/17/2018 1:12 am : link
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Who started a game this week. Including Blaine Gabbert and rookies Darnold and Allen. Spare me the stats. If you want to quote me Elis garbage time yardage and TD that's fine, but let's not be delusional.

Other teams have o-lines that suck too. Other teams have injuries and less weapons at the skill positions.


What did Eli do wrong?



Nothing - he did nothing wrong. let's stay the course.


It's an easy question if you really think he blew it. Why can't you answer it?



Here's my answer, montanagiant - he is completely immobile in the pocket, he was indecisive on numerous occasions tonight, lacks touch on short passes, and on multiple occasions tonight, IMO, made poor decisions such as throwing deep to Shep when double covered for a low % play opportunity numerous times.

He never got into any sort of rhythm. He is our quarterback. he scored three points during meaningful minutes tonight. there is no rhythm at all to the offense. What more needs to be explained, did you watch the game?

How was he indecisive when he had 2 secs to get rid of the ball?
You're full of shit, Shep was one on one and the ball hit him in the face mask, how much more accurate do you need?

See your problem is you have an agenda and no matter what you're going to fabricate shit to fit that agenda. To you it's more important to seem like you're correct even if it means it's a bunch of BS like you posted answering my question. In other words you suck as a fan and you know that
Regarding this quote from the OP...  
bw in dc : 9/17/2018 1:18 am : link
"Some of the expectations of Eli is ridiculous."

I just read an article this week about Eli and how is he revered by his teammates. And how everyone knows ownership thinks this team should compete for the playoffs and the Super Bowl. And Eli is that guy to lead the charge.

So those are the expectations of Eli and this team. Whether you like it or not...
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cwillm : 9/17/2018 1:26 am : link
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Who started a game this week. Including Blaine Gabbert and rookies Darnold and Allen. Spare me the stats. If you want to quote me Elis garbage time yardage and TD that's fine, but let's not be delusional.

Other teams have o-lines that suck too. Other teams have injuries and less weapons at the skill positions.


What did Eli do wrong?



Nothing - he did nothing wrong. let's stay the course.


It's an easy question if you really think he blew it. Why can't you answer it?



Here's my answer, montanagiant - he is completely immobile in the pocket, he was indecisive on numerous occasions tonight, lacks touch on short passes, and on multiple occasions tonight, IMO, made poor decisions such as throwing deep to Shep when double covered for a low % play opportunity numerous times.

He never got into any sort of rhythm. He is our quarterback. he scored three points during meaningful minutes tonight. there is no rhythm at all to the offense. What more needs to be explained, did you watch the game?


How was he indecisive when he had 2 secs to get rid of the ball?
You're full of shit, Shep was one on one and the ball hit him in the face mask, how much more accurate do you need?

See your problem is you have an agenda and no matter what you're going to fabricate shit to fit that agenda. To you it's more important to seem like you're correct even if it means it's a bunch of BS like you posted answering my question. In other words you suck as a fan and you know that


Man, there is no agenda. Die hard giants fan posting to a
giants message board at 1am in the morning after another Sunday night loss and just tired of 6 years now of this BS. but go on, keep preaching how I'm not a fan and there's nothing wrong with Eli or the direction of this team and let's stay the course and all will be good. Remove your head from ass and stop saying that I suck as a fan for stating the fucking obvious.
RE: Regarding this quote from the OP...  
nyblue56 : 9/17/2018 1:27 am : link
In comment 14079957 bw in dc said:
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"Some of the expectations of Eli is ridiculous."

I just read an article this week about Eli and how is he revered by his teammates. And how everyone knows ownership thinks this team should compete for the playoffs and the Super Bowl. And Eli is that guy to lead the charge.

So those are the expectations of Eli and this team. Whether you like it or not...


Then some of those teammates should do their job and protect him better, so he can do his job and make some more of those teammates look good.
Eli’s job is to figure it out...  
bw in dc : 9/17/2018 1:40 am : link
and lift the team with his play.

He’s 37 years old. He should be well into completing his PhD in quarterbacking. Instead, we continue to see a guy with his bachelors struggling to get his masters.
Dallas had 8 tackles for loss and 6 sacks.  
madgiantscow009 : 9/17/2018 1:43 am : link
If you guessed the Giant's had 0 and 0 you win!
RE: Eli’s job is to figure it out...  
montanagiant : 9/17/2018 2:17 am : link
In comment 14079983 bw in dc said:
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and lift the team with his play.

He’s 37 years old. He should be well into completing his PhD in quarterbacking. Instead, we continue to see a guy with his bachelors struggling to get his masters.

Give me an example of where he should have done something else. The only one I have gotten since asking that question is the moron above who lied about Shepard being in double coverage. Would love to see it
At this point, the way this  
chopperhatch : 9/17/2018 2:28 am : link
Is going, Eli continuing to be the franchise QB is hurting his legacy.
If you think this loss was on the defense  
Tuckrule : 9/17/2018 6:02 am : link
You don’t know what your watching. Idiot.
Defense played well  
mattnyg05 : 9/17/2018 6:07 am : link
Offensive line sucks, and Eli gives us no chance because of how bad the line is. It’s a really bad combination but it certainly is a combination. Unfortunately we have no idea if Eli is done or not because the line is so bad.
RE: I love Eli but stop making excuses  
micky : 9/17/2018 6:14 am : link
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Its goddamn ridiculous already. I'm not going to pretend i can put a percentage on it his play has been a substantial part of this team scoring 2 TDs. One of which came on a crazy individual effort by a RB, and the other in garbage time.


I know

The excuses is all they have
Since when is a decrepit OL  
dep026 : 9/17/2018 6:15 am : link
that cant run block either an excuse?
Eli was fooled by a number of blitzes  
Les in TO : 9/17/2018 6:29 am : link
Just did not anticipate who was coming and on the sack where he fumbled he was panicking with two seconds left on the play clock. Combined with the fact that his legs are encased in cement he was a sitting duck. He also had a bad case of happy feet and was playing hot potato, checking down too quickly with the ball even though there was no pressure. The offense generally looked overmatched but to say Eli as the field general was not a reason for the loss is absurd. New coaching new system new surrounding talent same tired excuses by his fanboys who swore this year that his critics would be eating a lot of shit for saying he was done.
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jeffusedtobeonwebtv : 9/17/2018 6:35 am : link
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and lift the team with his play.

He’s 37 years old. He should be well into completing his PhD in quarterbacking. Instead, we continue to see a guy with his bachelors struggling to get his masters.


Give me an example of where he should have done something else. The only one I have gotten since asking that question is the moron above who lied about Shepard being in double coverage. Would love to see it


On the Dallas 25 yard line he threw to Latimer for 4 yards while Beckham was all alone in the end zone. They ended that drive with a field goal instead of a touchdown.

If they had scored that touchdown, it would have been interesting when they got the ball back after the onsides kick and were only down 20-14 instead of 20-10.
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nyblue56 : 9/17/2018 7:34 am : link
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You don’t know what your watching. Idiot.


The defense did not play well. they had no sacks, very little pressure, and no tackles for losses. they allowed Dak to run and keep drives alive. the reason the score was not worse is because Dallas lacked playmakers in the passing game, despite the austin play. We never really stopped them as much as they stopped themselves on several drives. they had one key drives essentially stopped by holding penalties. go rewatch the game and focus on the D.
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nyblue56 : 9/17/2018 7:37 am : link
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and lift the team with his play.

He’s 37 years old. He should be well into completing his PhD in quarterbacking. Instead, we continue to see a guy with his bachelors struggling to get his masters.


Give me an example of where he should have done something else. The only one I have gotten since asking that question is the moron above who lied about Shepard being in double coverage. Would love to see it



On the Dallas 25 yard line he threw to Latimer for 4 yards while Beckham was all alone in the end zone. They ended that drive with a field goal instead of a touchdown.

If they had scored that touchdown, it would have been interesting when they got the ball back after the onsides kick and were only down 20-14 instead of 20-10.


OBJ came open as the pass was already thrown. that happens with many teams in the NFL. It happens to teams and QBs with horrible OLs quite often. i cluding to HOF QBs.
If Joe Montana got 18 pressures and 6 sacks  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 9/17/2018 8:42 am : link
In two games you know he had bad games.
RE: name me a QB  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 9/17/2018 8:52 am : link
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that could win with this OL tonight?


Patrick Maholmes
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dep026 : 9/17/2018 8:55 am : link
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lol. really?
It's 2017 all over again  
IIT : 9/17/2018 9:31 am : link
The Eli haters are going to pin this all on him.

But the truth is the line is terrible, was terrible last year, and has been terrible basically since 2011.

Remember that NFC championship game against San Fran when Eli was hammered again and again by their defense but kept getting up and coming until they won? This is what the haters want from Eli for 16 games year-in, year-out. No QB is doing that.

Since he can't, the haters believe that a rookie QB with mobility is going to magically elude the every down pass rush jailbreak and "buy time with his feet" before making long completions to OBJ while running for his life...

I think we can all agree that no QB, no matter how mobile, is going to have greater elusiveness than our new number one RB and he is struggling to get past scrimmage with this line.

It's an inconvenient truth because there is no quick fix here. It won't be a simple matter of switching the QB and the Giants are back in the playoffs. The line could arguably need three or more new starters and some capable depth. This team has not drafted and developed a competent starter since Pugh- and we let him walk. How long will it take them to find 3 or more? Well, hopefully Gettleman is better at recruiting them than Reese was but with Halapio going down last night, releasing Jones doesn't look very wise.

Eli is what he is, and his strengths and weaknesses are well documented. That front office was as familiar as anyone with them, but decided that a premiere running back would do more for the offense than trying to build a premiere line.

Guess what? We're going to get the same result we're getting now if we opt to plug a "premiere quarterback" in there instead of addressing the real problem.
The D wasn't that bad, although I suspect  
Section331 : 9/17/2018 9:37 am : link
a lot of that had to do with a mediocre Dallas O. The OL is terrible, but welcome to the NFL, very few teams have good OL play. That is the problem with Eli, he cannot extend plays. The game has changed, and teams can't afford statues at QB. Even less mobile guys like Brady and Phil Rivers are outstanding at moving within the pocket.

Eli is shellshocked. I get why, he's dealt with an abysmal OL for 7 years now, but once you start to hear footsteps and your eye level starts to fall, it's almost always over. How much of it is Eli's fault is immaterial, the Giants have to start looking for their next QB.
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AcesUp : 9/17/2018 9:48 am : link
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a lot of that had to do with a mediocre Dallas O. The OL is terrible, but welcome to the NFL, very few teams have good OL play. That is the problem with Eli, he cannot extend plays. The game has changed, and teams can't afford statues at QB. Even less mobile guys like Brady and Phil Rivers are outstanding at moving within the pocket.

Eli is shellshocked. I get why, he's dealt with an abysmal OL for 7 years now, but once you start to hear footsteps and your eye level starts to fall, it's almost always over. How much of it is Eli's fault is immaterial, the Giants have to start looking for their next QB.


This sums it up perfectly. It's not necessarily his fault but his problems extend beyond mobility. Eli was rushing his check-downs and staring down that pass rush from the opening snap last night. Teams typically have to pressure a QB for a few series to get them in that state, that's Eli's baseline right now. It's not his fault but that's unfortunately where we're at.
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PatersonPlank : 9/17/2018 10:14 am : link
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and lift the team with his play.

He’s 37 years old. He should be well into completing his PhD in quarterbacking. Instead, we continue to see a guy with his bachelors struggling to get his masters.


Give me an example of where he should have done something else. The only one I have gotten since asking that question is the moron above who lied about Shepard being in double coverage. Would love to see it



On the Dallas 25 yard line he threw to Latimer for 4 yards while Beckham was all alone in the end zone. They ended that drive with a field goal instead of a touchdown.

If they had scored that touchdown, it would have been interesting when they got the ball back after the onsides kick and were only down 20-14 instead of 20-10.


and that was because the 2 seconds of time he was allotted had run out and he was about to get hit. So he checked down, thats what he is supposed to do. If he got 5 seconds like every other QB he would have hit Beckham, and also Shepard later in the game. Thats why teams blitz, its a trade off. That is also why teams who blitz get burned if the OL can stop them. We cant. Some of you make it sound like Eli had all day back there. If he had taken the sack you'd blast him for that too, he is in a no win situation.
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