I’ve always been optimistic about the Giants. Always.
Tonight I tried to muster up that ol’ faith and excitement for them but the reality of what we are right now cannot be overcome by the rosiest of rose-colored glasses. Whenever we’ve had success in the past, we’ve had an offensive line that could impose their will when they played cohesively. That is just not there now and there is little hope for it to change this season.
It’s depressing.
What I envision happening is another low-win season and another high draft choice next year. This time we grab the best QB available in the draft and more offensive linemen. I love Eli but he is the wrong fit for this team right now. He’d be better off being a plug-in on a fortified team who is a QB away from SB contention like Peyton was to the Broncos.
Rebuilding is fine but it just sucks knowing we haven’t a season again this year.
maybe i'll get under 10 in 2018?
out here the early games are great, I can watch the game at 10 and still get in 18 before it gets dark
No need, there are still 3 other teams to root against every week.
I didn't expect a championship run this season. Or a winning season for that matter. But a non-competitive effort against a shitty Dallas team, in which they were totally outclassed? Not to mention the fact that areas we paid good money to improve are still broken? I wasn't prepared for either of those.
Jonathan Fucking Stewart.
It is? :)
I am still amazed at the fake GM search process and how little the overwhelming majority of BBI cared.
It was one of the most bizarre things I've ever seen at Jints Central. And that's saying something...
This team keeps thinking it just needs to tweak things in the offseason.
The Jacksonville loss didn't concern me. The Dallas loss is defcon level. We just got our asses kicked by a team that shouldn't be able to kick anyone's ass.
It's not like we can even make a switch at QB now. Alex Tanney is the back-up and we ditched the guy with any chance of really playing in 2018 (Davis Webb - regardless of how you felt about him).
You're right, Eric. My main concern is who decided passing on a QB was the smart play? Was it DSG or Mara? I am sick to my stomach that we passed on all of these guys, and the future at this point is Kyle Lauletta or a QB to be named, when we could have had Darnold, Allen, or Rosen, all of whom were top 10 picks.
We are getting a front row seat to what life is like in the NFL when you have a great RB but no QB to lead the team. Yes, I get that we need OL help, but this is not just about the OL.
That said, you and I were in complete agreement that we ran a fake GM search, hired a candidate that was always going to be the guy. We refuse to break from the organization under any circumstances, and we hired a GM who is either dumb enough to not know we are not a win now team or is simply naive enough to believe otherwise.
Every time I see a tweet emasculating the Giants for taking Barkley instead of a QB, my stomach drops. I really don't know if I'm going to get over it. What's worse is we have no plan for replacing Eli either, and our coach admitted as much.
We're looking for yet another season being over by October 1st.
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It's hard to not come to the belief that John Mara is over his head.
It is? :)
I am still amazed at the fake GM search process and how little the overwhelming majority of BBI cared.
It was one of the most bizarre things I've ever seen at Jints Central. And that's saying something...
Agreed completely.
This team keeps thinking it just needs to tweak things in the offseason.
The Jacksonville loss didn't concern me. The Dallas loss is defcon level. We just got our asses kicked by a team that shouldn't be able to kick anyone's ass.
It's not like we can even make a switch at QB now. Alex Tanney is the back-up and we ditched the guy with any chance of really playing in 2018 (Davis Webb - regardless of how you felt about him).
We're looking for yet another season being over by October 1st.
Let's try this again:
You're right, Eric. My main concern is who decided passing on a QB was the smart play? Was it DSG or Mara? I am sick to my stomach that we passed on all of these guys, and the future at this point is Kyle Lauletta or a QB to be named, when we could have had Darnold, Allen, or Rosen, all of whom were top 10 picks.
We are getting a front row seat to what life is like in the NFL when you have a great RB but no QB to lead the team. Yes, I get that we need OL help, but this is not just about the OL.
That said, you and I were in complete agreement that we ran a fake GM search, hired a candidate that was always going to be the guy. We refuse to break from the organization under any circumstances, and we hired a GM who is either dumb enough to not know we are not a win now team or is simply naive enough to believe otherwise.
Every time I see a tweet emasculating the Giants for taking Barkley instead of a QB, my stomach drops. I really don't know if I'm going to get over it. What's worse is we have no plan for replacing Eli either, and our coach admitted as much.
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It's hard to not come to the belief that John Mara is over his head.
It is? :)
I am still amazed at the fake GM search process and how little the overwhelming majority of BBI cared.
It was one of the most bizarre things I've ever seen at Jints Central. And that's saying something...
The fans have embraced the views of ownership, they became reluctant/resistant to change. Gettleman represented another opportunity to possibly recapture the magic of the 07-11 runs. Just as is the case with Eli, to those folks it was a return to the football that brought two trophies.
Unfortunately, that was wishful thinking.
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There is no qb worth grabbing in 2019. This is where teams get into major trouble because they start reaching for qbs just to have one. Rather than reaching for one in 2019 to get a Blake Bortles, Ryan Tannehill, Christian Pinder, Blaine Gabbert clone, the Giants are much better off trading back and accumulating picks for the 2020 or 2021 draft, which should feature somwxlegit franhcise qb prospects. Of course this all could have been dealt with by taking one of the highly regarded qbs from 2018, but that ship has long since sailed.
sept 16 and there are no qbs worth taking in draft. where did you hear that? weshouldhavetakendarnold.com/forums ?
justin herbert is a pretty solid prospect
its still pretty early as we are three weeks into college season, but there will be 2-4 first-second round talents
Herbert is a maybe, he’s very talented. Thing is, he comes from that spread offense that tend to have a much steeper NFL learning curve. He’s very similar to Mariota. I actually liked Mariota a lot coming out and thought he could be one of the of the next great NFL qbs, he has all of the NFL tools and intelligence. But he is still taking his lumps, and hasn’t put it all together yet. If he does put it all together he could be special. Herbert I think is going to be a similar case.
You say it’s sept 16th, but by this time we usually know the hot qb prospects, and outside of Herbert, I just don’t see it. Guys like lock and Finley are very much mid round prospects, which is why they each went back for another year, in hopes of raising their profiles. Neither is exciting.
Now if Saquon ends up being a Hall of Fame RB and the other QBs "just guys", then the Giants made the right decision.
But we're not going to hear the end of that already tiresome debate for years to come.
The problem is, Eli looks shot. And our #2 is Alex Fucking Tanney. Wow.
Exactly!! Agree 100%
This team keeps thinking it just needs to tweak things in the offseason.
The Jacksonville loss didn't concern me. The Dallas loss is defcon level. We just got our asses kicked by a team that shouldn't be able to kick anyone's ass.
It's not like we can even make a switch at QB now. Alex Tanney is the back-up and we ditched the guy with any chance of really playing in 2018 (Davis Webb - regardless of how you felt about him).
We're looking for yet another season being over by October 1st.
Giving up Webb for Tanney. And several other questionable decisions like trading Jones, as if you have an abundance of good OL, has me thinking Gettleman is the one over his head. Clay over Sharp? Signing Stewart? Curtis Riley?? Hiring Shurmur
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There is no qb worth grabbing in 2019. This is where teams get into major trouble because they start reaching for qbs just to have one. Rather than reaching for one in 2019 to get a Blake Bortles, Ryan Tannehill, Christian Pinder, Blaine Gabbert clone, the Giants are much better off trading back and accumulating picks for the 2020 or 2021 draft, which should feature somwxlegit franhcise qb prospects. Of course this all could have been dealt with by taking one of the highly regarded qbs from 2018, but that ship has long since sailed.
sept 16 and there are no qbs worth taking in draft. where did you hear that? weshouldhavetakendarnold.com/forums ?
justin herbert is a pretty solid prospect
its still pretty early as we are three weeks into college season, but there will be 2-4 first-second round talents
Herbert is a maybe, he’s very talented. Thing is, he comes from that spread offense that tend to have a much steeper NFL learning curve. He’s very similar to Mariota. I actually liked Mariota a lot coming out and thought he could be one of the of the next great NFL qbs, he has all of the NFL tools and intelligence. But he is still taking his lumps, and hasn’t put it all together yet. If he does put it all together he could be special. Herbert I think is going to be a similar case.
You say it’s sept 16th, but by this time we usually know the hot qb prospects, and outside of Herbert, I just don’t see it. Guys like lock and Finley are very much mid round prospects, which is why they each went back for another year, in hopes of raising their profiles. Neither is exciting.
Well said. I think Herbert is clearly QB1 as of tonight and has the most potential of any of the top guys, but he probably won't be ready right away based on the offense he's coming from. He has a huge test against Stanford on Saturday. I'm definitely going to watch that game closely.
I'm also pretty high on Will Grier, but he may have similar concerns to Lauletta (namely the lack of arm strength).
Someone not mentioned who could have a meteoric rise: Tyree Jackson of Buffalo. He's similar to Josh Allen in the sense that they're big, athletic guys with rockets for arms (Jackson is 6'7, 245 pounds, but don't be fooled. The kid is VERY athletic.) I haven't seen Jackson play this year (not like Buffalo is must-see TV), but I intend to study him deeply.
The fans have embraced the views of ownership, they became reluctant/resistant to change. Gettleman represented another opportunity to possibly recapture the magic of the 07-11 runs. Just as is the case with Eli, to those folks it was a return to the football that brought two trophies.
Unfortunately, that was wishful thinking.
Mara is comfortable in his box.
He tried to go out of it with the McAdoo hire. That was a very un-Mara like move.
But when that didn't go as planned, and there was the public backlash over the Eli benching - which is fascinating to me because I believe Mara was 100% complicit in that move, but I digress - Mara dove right back into the comfort of his box.
So the first call he made from his box was to a life long member of his box - Ernie Accorsi. And, predictably, Accorsi wasted no time convincing Mara to hire another life long member of the box - Dave Gettleman.
I tell you what, if this ship isn't righted, and the season goes just as sideways as last year, Mars is going to have an anxiety attack thinking about Cessna's flying over the stadium...
Now if Saquon ends up being a Hall of Fame RB and the other QBs "just guys", then the Giants made the right decision.
But we're not going to hear the end of that already tiresome debate for years to come.
The problem is, Eli looks shot. And our #2 is Alex Fucking Tanney. Wow.
The problem with that analysis is you can't say based on how things turn out, they made the right choice. DSG and the higher ups in the organization are charged with doing what is best for the both the short term and long term of the franchise. You cannot convince me that the people in charge care a lick about the long term viability of our team. DSG is already old, and he knows he doesn't have a ton of time left. Heck, he may have known he had cancer at that point.
Our failure to break from the organization and get a fresh, outside look at things is tiresome. Virtually anyone other than DSG would have taken the QB, because any independent analysis could have told them that Eli was no longer good. And when you pick at #2, you need to pick the QB. Why is it that four teams in the top 10 selected QBs (two traded up, and one - the Browns - passed on Barkley for the QB). I refuse to believe that our GM and our scouts are so far advanced from the other teams that we just couldn't see what others did - that some, if not all, of these GMs are franchise guys.
Then we cut Webb for Tanney. This administration seems more intent on gutting the team of players from the old regime than putting a winning team together. it's ridiculous. And if you think it's going to take until October 1 to lay this team to rest, you're being generous. After next week, we'll know they are done.
And when you look at our next five games, it would be an upset if we are any better than 1-6 after that stretch. And if that is where we stand, we should bench Eli and start Lauletta. Because we better take the time this year - unlike what we did last year - to get a long look at the young QB on this team to determine whether we need a new one.
Now if Saquon ends up being a Hall of Fame RB and the other QBs "just guys", then the Giants made the right decision.
But we're not going to hear the end of that already tiresome debate for years to come.
The problem is, Eli looks shot. And our #2 is Alex Fucking Tanney. Wow.
The Rams took Gurley the year before they took Goff so there is some hope.
I'm used to it by now.
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There is no qb worth grabbing in 2019. This is where teams get into major trouble because they start reaching for qbs just to have one. Rather than reaching for one in 2019 to get a Blake Bortles, Ryan Tannehill, Christian Pinder, Blaine Gabbert clone, the Giants are much better off trading back and accumulating picks for the 2020 or 2021 draft, which should feature somwxlegit franhcise qb prospects. Of course this all could have been dealt with by taking one of the highly regarded qbs from 2018, but that ship has long since sailed.
sept 16 and there are no qbs worth taking in draft. where did you hear that? weshouldhavetakendarnold.com/forums ?
justin herbert is a pretty solid prospect
its still pretty early as we are three weeks into college season, but there will be 2-4 first-second round talents
Who wants a "pretty solid prospect"? I want a stud, and they are not available in this upcoming draft. You can argue that it's early for that kind of certainty, but if you have followed these QBs for the last year or two, it's not early. Herbert bird-dogs his WRs, and I don't think he has the talent to be more than a Ryan Tannehill clone. Tannehill's pretty good, but he's not carrying a team to the SB.
And Eric you are very disappointing too with your hysterics...
Many here, myself included, called it as soon as Goodell announced Barkley. They were fucked. That was their plan. They were dead fucking wrong. Now they have to live with their decision. It’s evident Eli is shot. There is no “next guy” to play when we’re in “just end the season” mode in November and December. The Cardinals are probably the worst team in the NFC. I’d rather be in their position though. Because as bad as they are, and they’re putrid, at least they have a guy waiting in the wings (Rosen).
Enjoy watching him get hit in the backfield????
Fantasy Football gets you people to watch every game, one of the best scams of all time.
Coughlin was let go by NY Giants and he basically hung around the facilities an entire year waiting for be offered a job upstairs
but Giants could never offer TC a position because Chirs Mara already has that job
So Coughlin goes to Jags and rebuilds their franchise instead ---
For all those who think Eli is still good -- if Giants cut Eli tomorrow
Do you think any team would sign him for 20 millions dollars a year?
This is the problem.. Giants should have sat down with Eli two years ago and said -- you mean a lot to franchise but if you want to continue to be our QB you need to take a serious pay cut so we can sign players to make up for your diminished skills
Nowadays, it is.
This team needs a young GM with NO prior ties to this franchise. We need fresh thinking in the worst way.
No one believed that Geno Smith was going to be a Giant after last year, and so everyone was rightfully pissed that we sat our long term franchise QB for some bum because our lame duck coach thought it was a good idea.
So I wonder if that somehow sort of spiraled into "Eli is our guy no matter what" and not drafting a QB as a successor because of the blowback from that situation. I mean, I hope that's not true, but considering how much they've put into trying to make this team competitive around Eli and not embracing rebuilding, I really wonder.
Now if Saquon ends up being a Hall of Fame RB and the other QBs "just guys", then the Giants made the right decision.
But we're not going to hear the end of that already tiresome debate for years to come.
The problem is, Eli looks shot. And our #2 is Alex Fucking Tanney. Wow.
This. All of this. I am a huge fan of Eli Manning, and I also think Saquon is going to be an amazing, possibly HOF caliber player. I still absolutely believe taking a QB was the right move.
QBs are just so much more important than literally any other position on the football field that Saquon will have to be a HOF level player and Darnold, Rosen, and Allen will all have to be mediocre at best to justify that selection. It will be a bad pick if any of them even end up a solid 2nd tier QB, semi regular Pro Bowl level QB since the impact on winning or losing a game is so much greater than ANY RB in today's game.
You sit Eli down at some point and tell him you're taking a QB at 2. The job is his this season, though the young guy is going to get some snaps if games get out of hand (down multiple scores late). Year two and moving forward will be an open QB competition, may the best QB win.
If any of that was unacceptable to Eli, he would have been traded (preferably) or released. I love Eli. He's probably my favorite player of alltime, but it's a business too and you have to prepare for the future.
This team keeps thinking it just needs to tweak things in the offseason.
The Jacksonville loss didn't concern me. The Dallas loss is defcon level. We just got our asses kicked by a team that shouldn't be able to kick anyone's ass.
It's not like we can even make a switch at QB now. Alex Tanney is the back-up and we ditched the guy with any chance of really playing in 2018 (Davis Webb - regardless of how you felt about him).
We're looking for yet another season being over by October 1st.
Many pro sports teams get caught in that "We just need to tweak" delusion. I can understand trying to tweak one season because the alternative is acceptance that a prolonged rebuild is the reality.
What really sucks is that Barkley's best years are going to be spent on rebuilding team. Hind-sight is indeed 20-20 and we should have taken a QB.
It's been rough being a Giant and Met fan these last few years.
This team keeps thinking it just needs to tweak things in the offseason.
The Jacksonville loss didn't concern me. The Dallas loss is defcon level. We just got our asses kicked by a team that shouldn't be able to kick anyone's ass.
It's not like we can even make a switch at QB now. Alex Tanney is the back-up and we ditched the guy with any chance of really playing in 2018 (Davis Webb - regardless of how you felt about him).
We're looking for yet another season being over by October 1st.
Or, is it attendance/money? OBJ, Barkley and Eli are stars. People spend money on stars - tickets, jerseys, etc.
Mara is in over his head, he needs to step away and let someone manage the team. Is Gettleman the guy? Could be, but he is also one of their cronies.
We don't know yet, we are only 2 games in. In one of them, they were hanging in there with one of the best teams in the league (J.Ville)...missed opportunities to win.
In the other, they were beaten soundly...even though the score was only 20-13 in the end.
The story has yet to be written...not a good start overall. I'm not hopeful unless they learn how to block.
On to Houston next week, but their pass rush is even meaner than Dallas. Their young QB might feast on our secondary and run the same plays as Dak with his legs. Ugh.
Praying for Manning's health.
In comment 14079816 Eric from BBI said:
This team keeps thinking it just needs to tweak things in the offseason.
The Jacksonville loss didn't concern me. The Dallas loss is defcon level. We just got our asses kicked by a team that shouldn't be able to kick anyone's ass.
It's not like we can even make a switch at QB now. Alex Tanney is the back-up and we ditched the guy with any chance of really playing in 2018 (Davis Webb - regardless of how you felt about him).
We're looking for yet another season being over by October 1st.