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2019 draft eligible QBs

BestFeature : 9/17/2018 1:12 am
First of all, Deshaun Watson and everyone's favorite Patrick Mahomes came from a draft that everyone said sucked for QBs. So let's not make any proclamations yet for the 2019 draft. Any ideas who can be a contender in 2019 to be drafted high? I heard Herbert and Grier, anyone else?
Kyle  
SHO'NUFF : 9/17/2018 1:16 am : link
Shurmur
There are a few guys  
Anakim : 9/17/2018 1:18 am : link
But I personally believe that as of now, Justin Herbert is #1 and Will Grier is #2. I have concerns about Grier's arm strength though (like Lauletta). Not a fan of Stidham, Finley or Thorson. Drew Lock is a maybe.



If you want someone who can have a meteoric rise, look north. There's a 6'7, 245 pound QB in Buffalo named Tyree (cool name, right?) Jackson. He has a howitzer for an arm and is very athletic. If you liked Josh Allen, you're gonna love Tyree Jackson.
Heading into the year, I actually thought Herbert was a better QB  
Anakim : 9/17/2018 1:26 am : link
prospect than Darnold. He suffered a broken collarbone last year, so he missed many games, but I think he has a ton of potential. He's also had three different head coaches in three years.

He won't be ready right away because of the system he runs at Oregon, but if he has the tools to be really damn good.

Herbert is gonna have his best test of the season on Saturday night against Stanford. It's going to be aired on NBC.
Here's a thread on him by a Draft guru. It's a shame that his receivers are shit this year. - ( New Window )
RE: There are a few guys  
BestFeature : 9/17/2018 1:30 am : link
In comment 14079956 Anakim said:
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But I personally believe that as of now, Justin Herbert is #1 and Will Grier is #2. I have concerns about Grier's arm strength though (like Lauletta). Not a fan of Stidham, Finley or Thorson. Drew Lock is a maybe.



If you want someone who can have a meteoric rise, look north. There's a 6'7, 245 pound QB in Buffalo named Tyree (cool name, right?) Jackson. He has a howitzer for an arm and is very athletic. If you liked Josh Allen, you're gonna love Tyree Jackson.


I personally don't like Josh Allen, haha. Though maybe he the next big thing I don't know.
RE: Heading into the year, I actually thought Herbert was a better QB  
BestFeature : 9/17/2018 1:30 am : link
In comment 14079963 Anakim said:
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prospect than Darnold. He suffered a broken collarbone last year, so he missed many games, but I think he has a ton of potential. He's also had three different head coaches in three years.

He won't be ready right away because of the system he runs at Oregon, but if he has the tools to be really damn good.

Herbert is gonna have his best test of the season on Saturday night against Stanford. It's going to be aired on NBC. Here's a thread on him by a Draft guru. It's a shame that his receivers are shit this year. - ( New Window )


I've read that some people think he has a slow release, what say you?
Still a ways to go...  
bw in dc : 9/17/2018 1:34 am : link
I like Stidham but he wilted against LSU at home. That was not a good outing.

Grier has really grown on me. He’s the real deal. I see a better pro prospect version of Mayfield. I could see him easily in the top five discussion come February.
This is the year to get a tackle in the first  
BigBlue4You09 : 9/17/2018 1:39 am : link
Lots of studs
RE: This is the year to get a tackle in the first  
bw in dc : 9/17/2018 1:41 am : link
In comment 14079981 BigBlue4You09 said:
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Lots of studs


Both crops of OL and DL are very deep.
I like Greir (spelling) QB from WV  
GoBlue6599 : 9/17/2018 1:46 am : link
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RE: RE: This is the year to get a tackle in the first  
BigBlue4You09 : 9/17/2018 1:50 am : link
In comment 14079984 bw in dc said:
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Lots of studs



Both crops of OL and DL are very deep.


Yup, good for us
Have to watch  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 9/17/2018 6:32 am : link
Herbert, but initial impression is not good. Bird-dogs his receivers. Highlights are against Portland State and Bowling Green -- really? But he is worth watching through the rest of the season. My iggest concern right now is that this management group can't ID a good QB if they thought this last group was not worth the #2 pick. Two games in, it seems pretty clear they were wrong.
None of the above  
The_Boss : 9/17/2018 6:33 am : link
Which naturally means they will panic and reach for one inside the top 5.
Herbert, Finley, Lock and Grier  
jeff57 : 9/17/2018 6:48 am : link
are probably the best of the bunch. I don’t think any are as good as Darnold, Rosen and Mayfield.
RE: Herbert, Finley, Lock and Grier  
The_Boss : 9/17/2018 6:50 am : link
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are probably the best of the bunch. I don’t think any are as good as Darnold, Rosen and Mayfield.


They’re not even close.
Wolverine  
Hilary : 9/17/2018 6:51 am : link
Shea Patterson is an excellent QB used to playing behind an awful line.
_________  
I am Ninja : 9/17/2018 7:01 am : link
we are gonna be lost in the woods for a long time.
Jonah Williams, OT from  
barens : 9/17/2018 7:38 am : link
Alabama...
QBs  
Archer : 9/17/2018 7:54 am : link
Other than Tua the QB class is underwhelming
This does not appear to be a strong QB draft
The top 4-5 last year are better than any QB eligible for the draft

The strength of the draft is defensive and offensive linemen

Last year was the year to select s QB

RE: QBs  
GiantGrit : 9/17/2018 7:57 am : link
In comment 14080187 Archer said:
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Other than Tua the QB class is underwhelming
This does not appear to be a strong QB draft
The top 4-5 last year are better than any QB eligible for the draft

The strength of the draft is defensive and offensive linemen

Last year was the year to select s QB


I believe Tua is a true sophmore. Not draft eligible.
Yes  
jeff57 : 9/17/2018 8:04 am : link
He and Fromm will be eligible for the 2020 draft.
Wait until 2020...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 9/17/2018 8:16 am : link



As for this year, I like Drew Lock a lot. He has wonderful arm strength and throws a terrific deep ball, but he's not a particularly good athlete.

Will Grier is a player who I think can be very good as a non-first round pick.
I think someone has to come out of nowhere  
Jim in Forest Hills : 9/17/2018 8:18 am : link
there is a kid in COlorado named Montez I thought looked terrific. No idea if he has a pro skill set. But there will be a Josh Allen player from somewhere.

In any case, this does appear to be a deep draft in OL which is good. Giants should be able to take the top OL at this pace.
RE: RE: Herbert, Finley, Lock and Grier  
Jim in Tampa : 9/17/2018 8:21 am : link
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are probably the best of the bunch. I don’t think any are as good as Darnold, Rosen and Mayfield.



They’re not even close.

And I think this was the point of the "We should have drafted a QB" group.

Not only did it seem unlikely that the Giants would be drafting near the top of the draft again (although that does seem a lot more likely now) the thought was that even if they did, the QBs this year were not thought to be on par with the top 4 QBs from this most recent draft.

But I hear there are plenty of ways to get a franchise QB. Maybe the Giants' plan is to stockpile 6 RD picks so that they have a better shot at drafting the next Brady.
RE: Jonah Williams, OT from  
Anakim : 9/17/2018 9:30 am : link
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Alabama...


I love Jonah Williams, but I bet DG likes Greg Little of Ole Miss more. He's bigger, so he fits the Hog Mollie mold.
Dwayne Haskins  
Kyle in NY : 9/17/2018 9:51 am : link
is playing himself into the first round discussion. Draft eligible sohpomore
RE: Dwayne Haskins  
bw in dc : 9/17/2018 10:29 am : link
In comment 14080605 Kyle in NY said:
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is playing himself into the first round discussion. Draft eligible sohpomore


Throws a terrific ball. Solid throwing mechanics.

But it’s hard to get a read on him - yet - because that oline for Ohio State has been really good so far in pass protection. He is getting a lot of time to throw.
As of now  
Jay on the Island : 9/17/2018 11:28 am : link
I like Grier and Lock the most. My concern with Grier is that he will be 24 in April. I like Lock also as he has a great arm and he can extend plays with his legs. Daniel Jeremiah compared Lock to Mahomes. Herbert is very talented but he seems like a project.
RE: RE: Dwayne Haskins  
barens : 9/17/2018 11:33 am : link
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is playing himself into the first round discussion. Draft eligible sohpomore



Throws a terrific ball. Solid throwing mechanics.

But it’s hard to get a read on him - yet - because that oline for Ohio State has been really good so far in pass protection. He is getting a lot of time to throw.


Last year, when he had to step into the Michigan game, they were getting pressure, but he does stand strong in the pocket. Not quite sure how his mobility is, but I don't doubt his ability to perform under pressure.
RE: As of now  
bw in dc : 9/17/2018 11:33 am : link
In comment 14080986 Jay on the Island said:
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I like Grier and Lock the most. My concern with Grier is that he will be 24 in April. I like Lock also as he has a great arm and he can extend plays with his legs. Daniel Jeremiah compared Lock to Mahomes. Herbert is very talented but he seems like a project.


Why the concern with Grier being 24 next April?
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Kyle in NY : 9/17/2018 11:41 am : link
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is playing himself into the first round discussion. Draft eligible sohpomore



Throws a terrific ball. Solid throwing mechanics.

But it’s hard to get a read on him - yet - because that oline for Ohio State has been really good so far in pass protection. He is getting a lot of time to throw.



Last year, when he had to step into the Michigan game, they were getting pressure, but he does stand strong in the pocket. Not quite sure how his mobility is, but I don't doubt his ability to perform under pressure.


He has enough mobility to escape when needed. He's not a running QB but he can move when necessary.

TCU played him very tough on Saturday. Receivers were dropping passes and seemingly every snap was low. He still put up 330 yards and 2 TD. He sees the field very well, has great anticipation and can throw receivers open. In addition to having a lot of arm talent. I think he's going to be in the mix by the end of the season in a somewhat weak QB class
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Jay on the Island : 9/17/2018 12:41 pm : link
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I like Grier and Lock the most. My concern with Grier is that he will be 24 in April. I like Lock also as he has a great arm and he can extend plays with his legs. Daniel Jeremiah compared Lock to Mahomes. Herbert is very talented but he seems like a project.



Why the concern with Grier being 24 next April?

I just worry about older players because many of them are just great college players because they are playing against younger kids. His age isn't a huge red flag it is just something to consider in the evaluation process. Grier does check off a lot of boxes for me.
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