A Mobile QB may help, but....

would give himself 5 Zack Martins......

I thought Jerry was a waste of $3 mill, now I hope he replaces Omameh who is a bigger waste of $3 mill per. At least Jerry can pass block.

not paying the king's ransom for Solder, too...We would be in the same boat, regardless, with cheaper guys. Omameh, Solder and Jon Stewart were bad deals.

Looks very old and very slow. I think the pats New what they were doing. He’s getting burned by speed rushers and I heard he’s a slow starter so I guess I’ll wait but my patience is running thin. Omameh looks like a waste of allocated money. Flowers is what he is. He honestly isn’t even the weak link. Eli 100 percent is scared out of him mind. He’s she’ll shocked. An older qb doesn’t come out of that. It’s over sadly and the giants failed him miserably for a good portion of his career. A shame.

Bad coaching. Bad GM. No weapons. Horrid OL. Injuries. At some point the common denominator among all these years is one person. That one guy is making $20 million a year. That same guy has been playing to the level of a bottom 5-10 QB. Enough already.

Move flowers back to LT move solder to RT Omameh back where he is comfortable at LG and take your chances with The rookie at RG ......why are they going out of they’re way to keep Hernandez at LG .........can’t hurt screw Solder and his I only play Left tackle stuff ..... If these guys truly are close off the field why don’t the OLine agree to Change do anything to help the team ......at this point it can’t get any worse

mobile or not, 100% agree

The debate or issue is "How the hell did they think to put Eli behind it?"

What kind of short term, long term strategy is that?

In comment 14080064 The_Boss said:

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Bad coaching. Bad GM. No weapons. Horrid OL. Injuries. At some point the common denominator among all these years is one person. That one guy is making $20 million a year. That same guy has been playing to the level of a bottom 5-10 QB. Enough already.

Agree and disagree. The GM is the one who doubled down on Eli. The opportunity for a clean break was right in front of his face. The GM spent the picks and cash on this shit line. The GM makes fun of analytics and wastes assets. So it’s fair to criticize both Eli and the GM and coach and OL and most importantly, OWNERSHIP.

but decision making is starting to be another. Eli is seemingly missing opportunities b/c of bad decisions (taking the check down, for example, when the bigger play is available if he waited another beat; missing the open receiver b/c he is locked in another).

and back to your opening point, having a QB who can keep the D honest with his legs is pretty important. Just look at how Miami iced the game against the Jets yesterday. Or Dak (as lousy as he was otherwise) on the final TD drive that put us away.

In comment 14080235 LG in NYC said:

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and back to your opening point, having a QB who can keep the D honest with his legs is pretty important. Just look at how Miami iced the game against the Jets yesterday. Or Dak (as lousy as he was otherwise) on the final TD drive that put us away.

I am not going to disagree with your mobility aspect because it has merit. What bothers me is people here want to have QBs like Dallas (Dak), Miami (Tannehill), Jacksonville (Bortles) - these QBs suck ass. They are not good. I dont want a qb who sucks but because he is mobile.

It would be great to find a Rodgers or Wilson - but they are so very rare.

Bortles sucks any longer.

There is a fantastic team around him, for sure, but he is doing his part now. He was key in the beating of NE yesterday.

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In comment 14080235 LG in NYC said: Quote: and back to your opening point, having a QB who can keep the D honest with his legs is pretty important. Just look at how Miami iced the game against the Jets yesterday. Or Dak (as lousy as he was otherwise) on the final TD drive that put us away. I am not going to disagree with your mobility aspect because it has merit. What bothers me is people here want to have QBs like Dallas (Dak), Miami (Tannehill), Jacksonville (Bortles) - these QBs suck ass. They are not good. I dont want a qb who sucks but because he is mobile. It would be great to find a Rodgers or Wilson - but they are so very rare.

I think the QBs of the future will be more mobile, like Wentz, Luck, Wilson, Darnold, players who can move AND throw well. Players who scramble to pass but have enough juice to threaten a team by running. These players also get hurt doing this as evidenced by Luck, Wentz, etc. I think the critical window is to win the SB within those 5 years of the rookie deal, because you can load up everywhere else.

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Bortles sucks any longer. There is a fantastic team around him, for sure, but he is doing his part now. He was key in the beating of NE yesterday.

Bortles is still not good. Beating a NE defense isnt what it used to be. See Nick Foles in the SB.

but there are a bunch of other solid, mobile QB's that you didn't name... Cousins, Mahomes, Wentz, Cam, Goff... come to mind off the bat.

I am not saying these guys are all headed to the HOF but they bring an combo of mobility and traditional QB play to the table that Eli doesn't.

He would have suffered a multiple year ending injury by now.

18 friggin pressure game one and 6 sacks.

we are debating what kind of QB we don’t want while everybody being listed is winning games, or at least moving the ball.

In comment 14080263 LG in NYC said:

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but there are a bunch of other solid, mobile QB's that you didn't name... Cousins, Mahomes, Wentz, Cam, Goff... come to mind off the bat. I am not saying these guys are all headed to the HOF but they bring an combo of mobility and traditional QB play to the table that Eli doesn't.

You mentioned some pretty good QBs but they have huge warts too.

Goff isnt much of a runner and hes playing behind a pretty good OL too!
Wentz/Watson already have major injuries.
Cam is less accurate than Eli.
Cousins I want to like, but there is something that prevents him from taking the next step.
Mahomes looks great but again.... is it him or the system/players?

I am not saying any of those guys are worse than Eli. What I am saying is they may provide something as far as more mobility than Eli - but there are pretty big risks with them as well.

I dont know. Forget about my feelings for Eli for a second. Seeing guys come through the line unblocked is just alarming cause it happens MULTIPLE times a game. Its just poor.

I guess the question for me is this: Is our OLine really the worst OLine in the league? because we are so inept on Offense despite pretty significant weapons that either our OLine is historically bad and literally no QB could be productive behind them, or OLine is just not great and Eli is part of the problem (in that his warts are making the OLine look worse than they are).

we are BAD on offense... downright putrid... Can NOT score points. And we have been going on 2 years now... while other teams (even losing teams) seem to find a way to occasionally score points and win games. So something is really wrong with the Giants O.

I mean, we only gave up 20 points each of the last 2 weeks... hit on just a couple of plays that were there for the taking and we could be 2-0. Maybe not a dominant 2-0 but at least we would be 2-0.

Personally I think we have a really toxic combo of a shell-shocked, immobile QB whose decision making and timing is off along with an OLine that is mediocre on it's best day. The jury is still out on the coaching staff so who knows if they are helping or hurting.

But I know we have changed literally almost every other facet of the team around Eli and are still getting the same results. at some point one wonders if Eli is causing some of this as well.

tonight. They are in the running for worst in the league.

players are all NFL QBs, albeit not the best.

The OL is a bigger problem than Eli, but his complete immobility is part of the reason the offense is so moribund. I'm not blaming him. Just stating it as a fact. He was never very mobile, but compensated with good pocket presence and feet. Now he has neither. He's 37, and has taken a beating. He can't extend plays or escape pressure.

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He would have suffered a multiple year ending injury by now. 18 friggin pressure game one and 6 sacks.

Try picturing a rookie QB with no Barkley playing behind that line last night.

when he tries to move around I just see rushers getting by the linemen and crushing Eli and so I think the Oline has more to do with the ineptitude then Eli.