Eli Manning is taking way too much...

But this OL play is just pure trash. And it doesn't seem like it ever gets better.

But let�s not dance around it: Eli looks shot and is/has been a major part of the problem. I�m tired of the excuses for this guy. He�s making $20 million and playing like a damn journeyman.

compounds the problem of the OL. Even Tom Brady can move little bit. Eli can't move at all.

Eli totally under the bus because the line sucks, but I saw at least three times he took for ever to get the ball to Barkley in the flat and by that time a LB and a corner were on Barkley. Just read a couple articles that said the same thing.

But the main blame is the line. Marinelli just blitzed every down and got away with it,

...is finding soft spots within a dynamically changing pocket while keeping his eyes downfield.

Last night, there were no soft spots.

Just five offensive linemen playing soft; playing dumb; and playing like complete horseshit.

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Eli totally under the bus because the line sucks, but I saw at least three times he took for ever to get the ball to Barkley in the flat and by that time a LB and a corner were on Barkley. Just read a couple articles that said the same thing. But the main blame is the line. Marinelli just blitzed every down and got away with it,

Offensive line looked like they didn�t know their blocking assignments. Eli couldn�t read the blitz pre snap either. Offensive line isn�t great but Eli has been a bottom of the league QB for 3 seasons also everybody outside of being a Giants fan see�s Eli as trash.

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Eli totally under the bus because the line sucks, but I saw at least three times he took for ever to get the ball to Barkley in the flat and by that time a LB and a corner were on Barkley. Just read a couple articles that said the same thing. But the main blame is the line. Marinelli just blitzed every down and got away with it,

He also definitely missed Barkley in the end zone wide open. Eli is a besieged QB who is in survival mode. So much so that -- when the random play occurs when he DOES have some time -- he misfires.

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In comment 14080076 section125 said: Quote: Eli totally under the bus because the line sucks, but I saw at least three times he took for ever to get the ball to Barkley in the flat and by that time a LB and a corner were on Barkley. Just read a couple articles that said the same thing. But the main blame is the line. Marinelli just blitzed every down and got away with it, Offensive line looked like they didn�t know their blocking assignments. Eli couldn�t read the blitz pre snap either. Offensive line isn�t great but Eli has been a bottom of the league QB for 3 seasons also everybody outside of being a Giants fan see�s Eli as trash.

As soon as it ended last night a friend texted me �as soon as it was evident Eli was coming back for 2018, the rest of the NFC laughed�...he�s a Bear fan. So yeah, Eli is definitely not looked upon highly by many.

Lee and Jaylon Smith.... he was not scoring on the 3rd down play. He was open sure, but he was not going to score.

Name a QB who would have been able to operate under those circumstances last night?

Nothing is EVER Eli's fault....

It�s not Eli�s fault. It�s the fault of management trying to build a win now team around an immobile 37 year old QB with no offensive line. The line wasn�t going to get fixed this year. Probably not next year either.

At some point Eli needs to carry them and win a game. He hasn�t done that in a very long time.

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Name a QB who would have been able to operate under those circumstances last night?

We say this every game and all offseason when discussing the QB position. He�s not good enough anymore. He�s 37. He�s taking a beating, I agree. But he�s also not seeing open guys and when he does, he�s misfiring. Most times he�s dumping it off quickly just to protect himself.

we should win this game

And we also would have a breakout offensive day

And we would also score over 30 points

It must have been toilet paper...

Eli is missing guys when he is standing in the pocket for 5-6 seconds. Sigh...

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Nothing is EVER Eli's fault....

No its ALWAYS Eli's fault.

Eli. That impotent scramble up thr middle when he took the kill shot was fucking sad. Last night seemed like a rock bottom loss. The new coach looked like a deer in fucking headlights on the sideline, helpless to solve any problems on O. Eli looked like dog shit since he is getting pounded. This team must lead the league in rushes for loss.

I keep reading the whole league has a bad o line l, well why can't our guys smell a fucking sack or TFL.


This team is garbage and this season is basically over. Eli will get beat to pulp and never give up trying to lead this joke of a team. What a way for a legend to go out. Do the Giants even Crack four wins?


I think they pick top four again and Eli is cut after the week 17 loss.

Getting completely destroyed behind the worst O line in the league. They simply cannot block at all. No time to throw to Odell, no running game etc. A RB that ever single evaluator will tell you is special yet gets 28 yards on 11 carries. He is young and fast, yet still can�t operate behind this line. It is truly amazing.

For the third or fourth time when playing the Cowboys in the last few years continued last night to not read the defense properly and did not adjust the playcall or help the line call in terms of protection.

People kept pointing out how the stunts were being run and run again. That�s not just OL and coaching issues it�s also expecting a 20m veteran QB to know what the hell to do in a game.

Eli was just as responsible for the loss last night as everyone else. Enough with the apologists and blame going everywhere else. He also rushed a few passes and continues to stink making screen throws. If his confidence is broken and he�s mentally drained due to bad OL play then he needs to retire after this year.

Eli is finished as a higher end quality QB and the league knows it. The Giants are living in denial and it�s cost us a season here, again. You don�t build a team and limit an offense around an aging QB with poor mobility, declining downfield accuracy when your Oline needs to be rebuilt.

I think Gettleman convinced himself he could pull a Denver Broncos/Elway like run for two years, or maybe John Mara did.

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For the third or fourth time when playing the Cowboys in the last few years continued last night to not read the defense properly and did not adjust the playcall or help the line call in terms of protection. People kept pointing out how the stunts were being run and run again. That�s not just OL and coaching issues it�s also expecting a 20m veteran QB to know what the hell to do in a game. Eli was just as responsible for the loss last night as everyone else. Enough with the apologists and blame going everywhere else. He also rushed a few passes and continues to stink making screen throws. If his confidence is broken and he�s mentally drained due to bad OL play then he needs to retire after this year. Eli is finished as a higher end quality QB and the league knows it. The Giants are living in denial and it�s cost us a season here, again. You don�t build a team and limit an offense around an aging QB with poor mobility, declining downfield accuracy when your Oline needs to be rebuilt. I think Gettleman convinced himself he could pull a Denver Broncos/Elway like run for two years, or maybe John Mara did.

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Getting completely destroyed behind the worst O line in the league. They simply cannot block at all. No time to throw to Odell, no running game etc. A RB that ever single evaluator will tell you is special yet gets 28 yards on 11 carries. He is young and fast, yet still can�t operate behind this line. It is truly amazing.

I agree with you, but eventually it is what it is and Eli as QB of this team has been losing so much and been getting his ass kicked so much, eventually we have to admit the dream is over.

Eli will likely have a losing career record after this joke of a season is done. Just wish this front office had the stones to come to this conclusion before the draft. I hope there are some QBS coming out this year. Giants should have a top four pick. P

and both of these are continually disrupted by bad pass pro and impotent run blocking. Could a younger and more mobile QB have better results? Maybe. And maybe they'd go the way of RGIII and many others who went down and never returned.

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Nothing is EVER Eli's fault....

I, for one, would never make that claim, and over the years I have excoriated Eli's play on several occasions. But nothing will work with this offensive line -- QB; RB; WR. They are all failing with the five guys we have upfront.

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In comment 14080123 map7711 said: Quote: Getting completely destroyed behind the worst O line in the league. They simply cannot block at all. No time to throw to Odell, no running game etc. A RB that ever single evaluator will tell you is special yet gets 28 yards on 11 carries. He is young and fast, yet still can�t operate behind this line. It is truly amazing. I agree with you, but eventually it is what it is and Eli as QB of this team has been losing so much and been getting his ass kicked so much, eventually we have to admit the dream is over. Eli will likely have a losing career record after this joke of a season is done. Just wish this front office had the stones to come to this conclusion before the draft. I hope there are some QBS coming out this year. Giants should have a top four pick. P

3-13 will push his regular season winning % below .500.
4-12 is exactly .500 (115-115)

The Giants held TB to 14 & 17 points because of pressures. In 2011 they had the greatest offense the league has ever seen. Yet pressure made them average. No one was saying, wow TB really shit the bed. No, they were giving the G men D line all the credit making TB average. And we�re talking about maybe the greatest QB to ever play. If not the greatest, then top three at the very least. Again, never seen a QB getting bum rushed pretty much ever single play and it�s his fault.

...go back to last night's game and compare the time Dak had in the pocket versus Eli.

The contrast is absolutely shocking.

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In comment 14080096 micky said: Quote: Nothing is EVER Eli's fault.... No its ALWAYS Eli's fault.

If you say so

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...is finding soft spots within a dynamically changing pocket while keeping his eyes downfield. Last night, there were no soft spots. Just five offensive linemen playing soft; playing dumb; and playing like complete horseshit.

Could not agree more. Eli is not a runner, but he can move around the pocket. Problem is - there is no pocket.

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...go back to last night's game and compare the time Dak had in the pocket versus Eli. The contrast is absolutely shocking.

This is true, but Eli looked so very bad kast night. He only looked like a pro in garbage time.

This team will not be good for a long time. Eli' s legacy and body will get pounded, I can't believe he might have a losing career record after this season.

up.

The line is terrible, but Eli makes it worse. He can't evade pressure in the way other QBs can. He used to be able to slip and slide in the pocket, but not anymore. The only thing he can do is have the ball come out quickly, and often that leads to poor throws. He doesn't have the athleticism to throw on the move. His deep ball also never connects anymore.

Eli is not a good QB anymore and has been in decline since 2015.

New OL, New Coaches, and an entirely new offense. Yet the same results. One constant, you figure it out.

First TC took the hit for Reese' failures, then it was McAdoo, then Reese was canned. This is Eli's 3rd offensive minded head coach since the SB and the offense gets worse and worse. They should have made a clean sweep by firing Reese when they fired TC but it has been one scapegoat after another blaming someone else but never the QB. You build sustained success with a GM, and HC, and a QB. When they finally made a clean sweep of FO and HC last year, they should have done it completely and started over and that includes the QB who hasn't won in forever. That's what you do when you win 3 games after years of shitty play.

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New OL, New Coaches, and an entirely new offense. Yet the same results. One constant, you figure it out.

The new OL was as shitty as the last one. Eli was getting to the last step in his drop and two Cowboys were on him. You have to be mobile to play like that and Eli is not.

sure why this is always made into a black/white argument.

Eli Manning's weakness is his mobility, so behind a porous OL, he's looking poor. He's being second-guessed for "missing" open players because he's basically been reduced to throwing to his first read, and because he's getting constant pressure, if somebody does break free, he can't see it because he's already bailing from the pocket or trying to dump things off.

There has to be blame given to Eli there. But the expectations that if he misses a WR that was the 3rd option in a play is horseshit, because by the time he's onto that progression, he's got a guy or two bearing down on him.

What's really tough is that this OL just has to be average for us to make plays. And they aren't. Every single lineman missed assignments last night. Collinsworth pointed out time and again how it wasn't a complex scheme - just basic stunts and we saw replays where Hernandez, Omameah and Flowers all missed poorly on different plays. Halapio looked decent, then left with an air cast on his leg. Solder looked serviceable out there, but he can't do everything by himself, and frankly, he's been just average.

The dilemma we face from a roster construction standpoint is that we've had several years of missing on the OL, so we are forced to overpay for a T and a G in the offseason.

It really boils down to getting a line. If you can, Barkley will be a game-changer. That's why the QB debate is frustrating to see it being rehashed every week.

So many people are calling Barkley a "win now" move. But any move is worthless if DG can't rebuild the OL. That will be his priority in the offseason I believe. I just hope some miracle gets these guys to gel, because the NFC East is a poor division right now. Very poor.

We have a line that can't block and a QB that is completely impotent in the face of a pass rush. You don't go as long as we have and look as completely helpless as we have on offense without it being a compound problem.

Eli will be slinging it all around and making plays.

Cool... now I feel better.

Let�s put that in place next year...

Its hard, but you have to access Eli as if you weren't a Giants fan. If all of us were Chiefs fans, it would be easier for us to admit that, at his peak, Eli was just a "good" QB. It would also be easier to admit that he is holding the team back.

Its just not that we struggle to win games! We struggle to get first downs. We struggle to get third and short.

Seems like we are the only team in the league who starts with 1st and 10...and then its 2nd and 12, 3rd and 19...punt. I just don't get it

Also, I don't understand why, on 3rd and 6, we throw the ball 2 yards and hope for the best. Doesn't matter the distance, we always throw it short and pray

But back to Eli, he's just done. Doesn't have "it" anymore

I was all for the Barkley pick, like most. Looking back, QB wouldve been the best, long term solution. Cause we are going to be trash for the next 5 years and crying the same song....all this talent, how are we 5-11

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So all we need is an average line now and Jimmy Googs : 8:22 am : link : reply Eli will be slinging it all around and making plays. Cool... now I feel better. Let�s put that in place next year...

Actually, it seems you feel pretty fucking wonderful right now. You get to create threads saying Eli is done and come off as pretty fucking happy that it has played out that way.

If we can just add in a slam on Stewart and a "Hand of God" comment, you might ejaculate into your wheaties.

the rude will never go away though...

about gun control. Nobody wins and just as f*cking annoying.

Eli Manning might not be prime-Eli any longer but I�m of firm belief that he would be just fine if we didn�t have a Swiss cheese OL.

There are some people who have so much disdain for Eli that they conveniently omit that notion. The good old �no more excuses for Eli� crowd. Frankly, it�s just ignorance. And you can�t fight stupid.

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about gun control. Nobody wins and just as f*cking annoying. Eli Manning might not be prime-Eli any longer but I�m of firm belief that he would be just fine if we didn�t have a Swiss cheese OL. There are some people who have so much disdain for Eli that they conveniently omit that notion. The good old �no more excuses for Eli� crowd. Frankly, it�s just ignorance. And you can�t fight stupid.

but, how many teams in the league have an A+ OLine? Not alot! And the teams with subpar Olines are still putting up 20+ points every week.

what gives

In comment 14080279 riceneggs said:

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In comment 14080269 PhiPsi125 said: Quote: about gun control. Nobody wins and just as f*cking annoying. Eli Manning might not be prime-Eli any longer but I�m of firm belief that he would be just fine if we didn�t have a Swiss cheese OL. There are some people who have so much disdain for Eli that they conveniently omit that notion. The good old �no more excuses for Eli� crowd. Frankly, it�s just ignorance. And you can�t fight stupid. but, how many teams in the league have an A+ OLine? Not alot! And the teams with subpar Olines are still putting up 20+ points every week. what gives

Why go to extremes? We have a D- at best offensive line. Why cant wehope for a C or B-. No one said we needed an A+ offensive line. But we cant run the ball either. Is that on Eli as well?

In comment 14080279 riceneggs said:

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In comment 14080269 PhiPsi125 said: Quote: about gun control. Nobody wins and just as f*cking annoying. Eli Manning might not be prime-Eli any longer but I�m of firm belief that he would be just fine if we didn�t have a Swiss cheese OL. There are some people who have so much disdain for Eli that they conveniently omit that notion. The good old �no more excuses for Eli� crowd. Frankly, it�s just ignorance. And you can�t fight stupid. but, how many teams in the league have an A+ OLine? Not alot! And the teams with subpar Olines are still putting up 20+ points every week. what gives

I�d give anything for a �subpar� OL. What the giants have is way worse. I watch a lot of games on Sunday. There is no comparison to what the Giants strut out there. And well documented on the broadcast last night.

I don�t think that ANYONE was expecting prime Eli this year. He�s 37 years old. We get it. But he�s more than capable to succeed. I�m mean, it�s possible I could be wrong (just like people on the other side of the argument) but how do we find out? The OL is that bad.

that Elliot and Dak had to run between was astounding. And that�s without their best Offensive linesman. I was quite envious.

Behind this line. When every WR is covered, and EVERY DL is in the QB�s face when the ball is hiked, what�s he gonna do? Is BARKLEY immobile? Because he sure got stuffed for a loss SEVERAL times! I admit that a more mobile QB may have made a couple of plays with his feet but we need more than a couple of plays. Everyone here is so shell-shocked that they are ready to throw in the towel after a couple of losses. Week one we looked pretty good. This week the Cowboys were ready for us and took full advantage of the OL (and DL) issues. I still believe in this team and all they need to do is work together as a unit. But BBI will continue to blame E and act like the sky is falling. I�m gonna give it a couple more games before I feel defeated. The Jags just dropped the Pats with ease yesterday. EASE. Nobody is giving up on them. Couple bad breaks. We�ll be back.

with Eli. But you're kidding yourself if you watched last night's game and think that he wasn't one of the main reasons they lost. He can barely move back there. I watched a majority of QBs on Sunday roll out, evade pressure, step up into the pocket.

Eli isn't doing that anymore. He's just not that good right now.

to be fair, QB's can step up into the pocket when the edges start to collapse. It is hard to do anything when the pressure comes straight up the middle. That's what was happening with the stunts, and why the stunts proved so disruptive.

Eli couldn't step up, and he actually did a decent job moving laterally to buy time - but those plays up the middle just blow everything up.

much you can do when the opponents defense is abusing your protection all night. No, Eli is not the most mobile QB. But the amount of hyperbole in this place is at epic levels.

I watched a lot of games on Sunday. And you are kidding yourself if you say that other teams have OLs just as bad. It�s just not true.