Shurmur and Gettleman as talent evaluators and team builders seem completely lost. This may be the least talented 53 man roster in the NFL. Half the players on the field look like they couldn’t start in the CFL.
They discarded guys who could play (Jones, Adams) and guys who didn’t fit their mold (Webb) and kept players with lower ceilings and/or or skills. They gave away potential assets and decided to use the waiver wire as their primary means of filling out the roster. Not one of these guys has made a play and the PR looks like the worst player in the NFL. The free agent decisions look awful and we are already without a 3rd round pick for 2019.
We have no cap space, limited drafft picks, no qb of the future, no OL, no roster depth and, worst of all, no plan. The franchise was at a cross-road and the decision was made to turn around and go back. Not even listening to trade offers at #2 was insanely idiotic considering how many holes this team has.
This experiment needs to end. A young, fresh GM needs to be brought in to do a real rebuild. Analytics, positional value and asset management are extremely important in today’s NFL. You cannot succeed with a GM that doesn’t believe in - and actively makes fun of - them.
QB Hell
And this is a fireable offense. Everyone involved with that decision has to go
I don’t think my expectation of having someone run the team who has respect for and incorporates analytics an asset management is too much
It takes time to turn over any roster, it's going to take 2-3 offseasons to really put their stamp on this team.
That would be the case for any new regime.
It takes time to turn over any roster, it's going to take 2-3 offseasons to really put their stamp on this team.
That would be the case for any new regime.
But they didn’t choose to do that. They chose to go all in. The team needs to fully commit to a rebuild and this crew has shown already they are not the group to do it
It takes time to turn over any roster, it's going to take 2-3 offseasons to really put their stamp on this team.
That would be the case for any new regime.
Sadly you are correct which means however Barkley and Beckham will likely languish in the meantime while they retool the OL, reload the defense with younger talent in spots and find the next QB.
What were we supposed to expect, another 3-13 season? If so, why the hell didn't we draft a QB again?
For those of you who didn’t like any of the 2018 QBs, you are wrong- because the move should always be to start your rebuild with a future franchise qb- but then the move should have been to trade back and accumulate multiple first round picks to plug holes. Also in doing so the Giants could have accumulated multiple picks to have future assets to either trade up for a qb after other holes had been filled or to continue to accumulate future picks.
In no world was the right move to take a running back, you literally do not touch that position until everything else is in working order. As you saw last night, a running back has so limited effect in a franchise so broken in not only the most important position in the game, but also the o line that it is beyond reason and refute to say that was a good pick.
Now the giants are left as a broken franchise without future assets. There is no direction in this organization.
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Given that path, it's going to take time to tear down what was left behind, and some of it has to be carried over because over the CBA, draft rules, salary cap, etc.
It takes time to turn over any roster, it's going to take 2-3 offseasons to really put their stamp on this team.
That would be the case for any new regime.
But they didn’t choose to do that. They chose to go all in. The team needs to fully commit to a rebuild and this crew has shown already they are not the group to do it
I think fans are mistaken believing they chose to go all in.
They chose Eli for this season and potentially 2019, and did their best to build around him AND start assembling a new foundation. It takes time, it will include some misses and bad decisions.
I don't disagree that DG was a limited perspective hire that probably felt safe to ownership in a difficult spot.
It takes time to turn over any roster, it's going to take 2-3 offseasons to really put their stamp on this team.
That would be the case for any new regime.
37 year old QB.
It takes time to turn over any roster, it's going to take 2-3 offseasons to really put their stamp on this team.
That would be the case for any new regime.
We just got stamped last evening...
Then what was the point of going all in on s 37 year old qb and drafting a running back. Why not accumulate more assets in a trade down if you didn’t like the QBs?
But, I think a lot of fan expectations were and are too high, at this point in time.
I hope this is true, but I can totally see them overreaching for a QB next year. Are those prospects as good as Darnold. Doubt it.
The reality is that Eli is finished. He was finished last year. I note that the topic of Eli's continued viability as an NFL quarterback is only controversial among Giants fans. Go talk to football fans in your life who are not Giants fans or turn on a television and watch analysis from non-Giants experts. The verdict is unanimous and it is supported by every single numerical metric for evaluating a quarterback under the sun. This should tell you something.
Does the Giants offensive line suck the big one? Absolutely. However, do the Giants have an unprecedentedly terrible offensive line that eliminates even the possibility of scoring 20 points in a football game (forget 30, we haven't done that in more than two seasons)? Of course not. Other teams have bad offensive lines, but they have quarterbacks who can make plays. They don't have a statue back there throwing passes where it looks like the film has been doctored to show the ball moving through the air in slow motion. They don't have a quarterback where every third and more than 5+ must be conceded by throwing a dump off pass. If you were watching any other team and any other quarterback in the league perform this way, you would see the truth clear as day.
An extremely reactionary fanbase basically nullified the organization's correct decision to move on from Eli last year. The outrage was so extreme, the feelings were so hurt, and the panties were so bunched up that John Mara had to fire everyone, pretend he wasn't part of the decision (he clearly was), and then double down on Eli again this year. Well, we may go 3-13 again this year with no encouraging future to look forward to at the present, but at least the Giants are going to go down with Eli - best friends forever. In the end, we know its not about winning football games anyway - it's about the friends we make along the way.
you trade down. period. and if this staff didnt like any of the QBs they should not be involved with football.
Quantity does not ensure quality, thus the philosophy of best player available.
OL sorely needs to be rebuilt.
No pass rush.
Weak pass coverage skills in secondary.
The big question facing this franchise is do they have the people in the organization to accomplish a rebuild in the next 2 to 3 years??? Don't know if they do !!!!
Going to be a long season after suffering through the last 5 years of average to bad football. Remember the 70's!!!!
Patrick Mahomes Reportedly Was Giants Draft Target Before Chiefs Traded Up - ( New Window )
OL sorely needs to be rebuilt.
No pass rush.
Weak pass coverage skills in secondary.
The big question facing this franchise is do they have the people in the organization to accomplish a rebuild in the next 2 to 3 years??? Don't know if they do !!!!
Going to be a long season after suffering through the last 5 years of average to bad football. Remember the 70's!!!!
2 years??? Try 2 weeks...
The reality is that Eli is finished. He was finished last year. I note that the topic of Eli's continued viability as an NFL quarterback is only controversial among Giants fans. Go talk to football fans in your life who are not Giants fans or turn on a television and watch analysis from non-Giants experts. The verdict is unanimous and it is supported by every single numerical metric for evaluating a quarterback under the sun. This should tell you something.
Does the Giants offensive line suck the big one? Absolutely. However, do the Giants have an unprecedentedly terrible offensive line that eliminates even the possibility of scoring 20 points in a football game (forget 30, we haven't done that in more than two seasons)? Of course not. Other teams have bad offensive lines, but they have quarterbacks who can make plays. They don't have a statue back there throwing passes where it looks like the film has been doctored to show the ball moving through the air in slow motion. They don't have a quarterback where every third and more than 5+ must be conceded by throwing a dump off pass. If you were watching any other team and any other quarterback in the league perform this way, you would see the truth clear as day.
An extremely reactionary fanbase basically nullified the organization's correct decision to move on from Eli last year. The outrage was so extreme, the feelings were so hurt, and the panties were so bunched up that John Mara had to fire everyone, pretend he wasn't part of the decision (he clearly was), and then double down on Eli again this year. Well, we may go 3-13 again this year with no encouraging future to look forward to at the present, but at least the Giants are going to go down with Eli - best friends forever. In the end, we know its not about winning football games anyway - it's about the friends we make along the way.
This is correct, although I still think the OL is a bigger problem than Eli. They can't pick up and block simple stunts and blitzes. Any QB would suffer behind them, but Eli is completely immobile. He's 37. He's taken a pounding behind porous OL for years. He's done.
Quantity does not ensure quality, thus the philosophy of best player available.
Yeah but fairly obvious we had to or have to cluster up picks and get a bunch Olineman in draft. Cannot keep going with expensive FAs to do job and do it poorly.
Quantity is a potential path.
If the Giants really wanted Mahomes, they would have traded for him. This is the team that traded a #1, #3, and a #5 for Eli when they could have just stayed at #4 and taken Ben R.
I'm fine picking Barkley, but his career will be stunted until the OL is fixed. And there is a credible case that if the Giants were going to pass on all the QBs, then they should have traded down and taken Nelson.
But my bigger problem is that the Giants never trade down in any round. Reese never did, and I don't think DG has ever done so either. Their last trade down was by Accorsi to take Kiwi.
when your team is full of holes, trading down is a sound strategy. Gettleman seems to be just as arrogant as Reese when it comes to the draft.
the "philosophy" of BPA relates to not drafting for need. You can still trade down and take the BPA.
I'm more a fan of trading down on day three. Most of those picks don't work out anyway, so getting a few more increases your chances. We don't need five seventh round picks, but a few extra would allow us to select players who as UDFAs could sign with any team.
they have signed 10 players off waivers! I'd take my chances with more picks. Gettleman's refusal to even listen to trade offers was absolutely criminal.
Correct. And that starts with the QB.
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that's what wins in the NFL today.
Correct. And that starts with the QB.
If you believe in one.
Of course.
The only risk-free thing in the NFL I know of is that we won't score 20 points in a game...
The fans who say we should've picked a QB without any other input are off base unless they can lay out why a QB was the best choice. If your draft board says QB is a positional reach and you're forcing it, that makes little sense.
I was touting Darnold for 18 months before that draft, and he was my pick at #2. Keep that in your mind as we debate. But, if the regime felt otherwise then time will tell who's right or wrong.
Has Rosen played a down yet?