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The OL is no better now than it was last year.

AcidTest : 9/17/2018 9:18 am
Solder and Omameh were signed. Solder is now the highest paid OL in the NFL. Halapio replaced Jones. Hernandez was pick #34. Flowers was moved to RT.

But the OL is still abysmal. They still can’t pick up simple blitzes and stunts, are repeatedly beaten by speed rushers, and get no push in the run game. They never control the LOS. Eli’s complete immobility of course just magnifies these problems.

Right now, teams can get pressure and stop our running game with just four or five DL. That means they can drop six or seven defenders into coverage to take away our weapons. So Eli throws a lot of checkdowns and dump offs, which really lengthens the field. We need 10 plays just to get into FG range. That was exactly the problem last year.

We have to hope that these problems are mostly because of a lack of cohesion and chemistry, and will therefore lessen as the OL continue playing together. The problem with that argument is that a lack of cohesion and chemistry doesn’t seem to affect the OL of other teams. The problem is also quite pronounced.

But even if the OL starts to play better as the season progresses, it likely won’t happen quickly enough to prevent the Giants from being a 10 loss team. Eli will be pummeled in the interim. OBJ, Barkley, and our other weapons will also be less effective. And that is the best case scenario.

Eli is now David Carr. He is shellshocked to the point where he misses receivers even when he has no pressure. I think there is a very high likelihood Lauletta will play by the end of the year. The Giants won't want Eli to end his career being pummeled, and will need some real film of Lauletta as they go into the offseason.
we get no push  
Giants86 : 9/17/2018 9:20 am : link
he goes back to pass and I get this sense of dread. They cannot run block either. Its sad. Going to be a long year.
All 100% accurate  
BigBlue4You09 : 9/17/2018 9:21 am : link
Good post
I pray they gel and improve.  
Jim in Forest Hills : 9/17/2018 9:21 am : link
Simply not a professional product right now, unwatchable. Also dont want to to see Eli sustain injury and/or become check down Charlie.
Lauletta needs to get up to speed  
NewBlue : 9/17/2018 9:21 am : link
Real quick
The season  
crick n NC : 9/17/2018 9:23 am : link
Has a long way to go. As a fan the season is about more than wins and losses. You'll see players and units get better or worse, you see changes coaches make to schemes. If you can focus on more than just wins and losses it makes watching the season more tolerable.
RE: Lauletta needs to get up to speed  
Jay on the Island : 9/17/2018 9:24 am : link
In comment 14080445 NewBlue said:
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Real quick

Yeah a rookie from Richmond is going to do amazing behind a porous offensive line!
RE: I pray they gel and improve.  
TyreeHelmet : 9/17/2018 9:33 am : link
In comment 14080444 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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Simply not a professional product right now, unwatchable. Also dont want to to see Eli sustain injury and/or become check down Charlie.


I’m afraid it’s way too late for the check down Charlie part....
Eli shell-shock  
gmenatlarge : 9/17/2018 9:34 am : link
He sure looked like it last night, after 3 straight years of playing behind the worst O-line in football who wouldn't be. It has definitely affected his play to the point where he has difficulty managing a simple dump-off.
So many rants I wanted to make last night  
Dinger : 9/17/2018 9:37 am : link
but everytime I started it felt futile. This post is the root cause of the problems. The OL. If they had drafted a QB, everyone would be calling for him here. But the OL would get him trashed as well. Then you'f have half the fan based pissed that they took Eli out and half pissed that the rookie QB wasn't given a fair shot. So you'f have a shitty offensive line AND a QB controversy. I am an Eli fan and I support him, but at this point the team seems to be making no progress. As much as I like Eli, I think you have to bring in Lauletta and give him some time. We aren't 'winning anything now' so I think that 'mode' should be turned off. There is too much to do on out O-Line.
Collinsworth said it best last night  
sshin05 : 9/17/2018 9:38 am : link
the Giants o line were falling for stunts and twists as opposed to being physically beat for the most part.
We lack Identity  
jvm52106 : 9/17/2018 9:48 am : link
in the passing game and the running game. We play way too finesse of an offense but with guys up front who are not fleet footed pass pro blockers or great pulling and trapping run blockers. We have a very poor mix of scheme and player.

BTW, OBJ may have been shutdown some last night but where the fuck was SS? The Giants can't make it obvious that they are throwing to Barkley on almost every down and ELi can't start watching the pressure (before the snap occurs). I saw two different times last night where he seemed to freeze and wait to be hit and then nothing happened and he then tried to relocate receivers and was sacked. He clearly is a guy who has seen a LOT of combat and is hearing and seeing things that will come, before they actually get there.
So far Omameh and Halapio  
Beer Man : 9/17/2018 9:55 am : link
have not proven to be upgrades over what we already had (and the bar was set very low). Flowers is not an OT, as he is incapable of blocking in space. He should have been placed at RG the day the Giants drafted him, and left there. Now its too late. Another team will probably figure that out next year. Solder is an upgrade at LT, he is very capable, but not upper echelon; which wouldn't be a problem if he wasn't paid as though he was (I guess that happens when your former GM screwed up so many drafts and put the team in a situation where they have pay premiums for average FAs). The jury is still out on Hernandez as he is a rookie in only his second game (and playing like it). So we are now into year 5 of rebuilding the OL, and not much has improved.
The left side is much better  
since1925 : 9/17/2018 10:03 am : link
The stink follows Flowers around.
RE: Lauletta needs to get up to speed  
PatersonPlank : 9/17/2018 10:16 am : link
In comment 14080445 NewBlue said:
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Real quick


What the hell could any rookie do back there, besides throw more interceptions.
This is completely true  
Heisenberg : 9/17/2018 10:19 am : link
And yet, I'm still surprised that the line isn't better.
RE: Collinsworth said it best last night  
bluepepper : 9/17/2018 10:26 am : link
In comment 14080535 sshin05 said:
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the Giants o line were falling for stunts and twists as opposed to being physically beat for the most part.

Yes, last week it was physical last night it was mental or lack of prep. But that's how bad teams/bad players roll. If it's not one thing it's another. They just find a way.
RE: I pray they gel and improve.  
EricJ : 9/17/2018 10:32 am : link
In comment 14080444 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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Gel


LOL.. I just love that over used word when it comes to describing the OL improvements needed. They can do all of the gelling on earth but the reality is that the DL is going through them as if they were made of Jello. When you are pushed back into the QB and the RB routinely, then your problem is that the guy lining up in front of you is simply stronger and a better football player at their position than you are.

The only thing that changes this is different players.
RE: The left side is much better  
EricJ : 9/17/2018 10:33 am : link
In comment 14080666 since1925 said:
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The stink follows Flowers around.


Really?... because Solder and Hernandez got beaten over and over last night.
RE: We lack Identity  
NikkiMac : 9/17/2018 1:20 pm : link
In comment 14080592 jvm52106 said:
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in the passing game and the running game. We play way too finesse of an offense but with guys up front who are not fleet footed pass pro blockers or great pulling and trapping run blockers. We have a very poor mix of scheme and player.

BTW, OBJ may have been shutdown some last night but where the fuck was SS? The Giants can't make it obvious that they are throwing to Barkley on almost every down and ELi can't start watching the pressure (before the snap occurs). I saw two different times last night where he seemed to freeze and wait to be hit and then nothing happened and he then tried to relocate receivers and was sacked. He clearly is a guy who has seen a LOT of combat and is hearing and seeing things that will come, before they actually get there.


You want to know where SS was ? he was playing outside where he doesn’t belong ,in the 4 th quarter they moved him back to slot receiver where he does belong and he started to catch some passes .... they seemed to be better with Latimer outside Imo
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