This goes beyond the who Barkley over a QB in this draft, which has been beaten to death.
He traded a 4th round pick in this past draft for Ogletree and his enormous contract. Does anyone here think he is worth that contract so far?
He significantly misevaluated and severely overpaid Omameh.
He drafted McIntosh who won't play all year due to a health issue which they claim they were aware of, when we are supposed to be trying to "win now"
He traded next years 3rd rounder for Beal who had a known shoulder issue and is out for the year.
Johnathan Stewart....
Let me reach here sean. You wanted Darnold. Am I even close to being right? 😎
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I see no long term plan.
Let me reach here sean. You wanted Darnold. Am I even close to being right? 😎
2 games? 3-16 over the last 19, 35 straight games under 30 points. Since the second half of 2012 one of the worst record in football. DG was more of the same, not a change. Tell us again how it’s onmy 2 games.
And the comment that part of the reason he drafted Barkely was because Stewart hasn't lost anything is deeply concerning.
Not to mention his open mocking of the use of analytics in football or the concept of positional value.
The guy was out of football for 2 years...did he even get a sniff from any other team?
Yes, I'm deeply concerned about putting the fate of the franchise in Gettleman's hands.
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I see no long term plan.
Let me reach here sean. You wanted Darnold. Am I even close to being right? 😎
Barkley is fun to watch and a no doubt a helluva talent. But if we are going to stumble through a 7-9 season, it is very hard to watch this with a 37 year old QB in the twilight of his career.
It would be much more tolerable if we had a rookie QB going through growing pains. The moves DG made put pressure on to win this year.
You're evaluating DG based on things that happened here when he worked for another franchise? That seems well beyond dumb.
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I see no long term plan.
Let me reach here sean. You wanted Darnold. Am I even close to being right? 😎
Barkley is fun to watch and a no doubt a helluva talent. But if we are going to stumble through a 7-9 season, it is very hard to watch this with a 37 year old QB in the twilight of his career.
It would be much more tolerable if we had a rookie QB going through growing pains. The moves DG made put pressure on to win this year.
In my dreams we're 7-9
The coaching staff was completely unprepared and outmatched by the Cowboys yesterday.
I'm tired of watching it.
Barkley is a great player and I feel bad even saying anything as his effort is amazing, but you have to take a QB there. Eli is done and has been for a few years now. I know all about the line, but he also can't move and does not seem to be able to read defenses.
Last night was as upset as I have ever been as a giant fan.
who was terrible in Cleveland
reminder Shurmur is calling the plays on Offense and as I recalled McAdoo was raked over the coals on BBI for doing the same
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I see no long term plan.
Let me reach here sean. You wanted Darnold. Am I even close to being right? 😎
Barkley is fun to watch and a no doubt a helluva talent. But if we are going to stumble through a 7-9 season, it is very hard to watch this with a 37 year old QB in the twilight of his career.
It would be much more tolerable if we had a rookie QB going through growing pains. The moves DG made put pressure on to win this year.
I certainly don’t know, but let’s not forget or give up on Lauletta
Yup. Time to move out of the stone age and get a young staff and fresh plan.
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I see no long term plan.
Let me reach here sean. You wanted Darnold. Am I even close to being right? 😎
2 games? 3-16 over the last 19, 35 straight games under 30 points. Since the second half of 2012 one of the worst record in football. DG was more of the same, not a change. Tell us again how it’s onmy 2 games.
Lax, come on. The past records under a completely different regime means squat and shows no tendencies whatsoever, aside from the fact that we started 0-2.
Couldn't have been more on the money.
Something that many of the QB-now-or-bust posters miss the larger picture. The OL is a shambles- no one can win behind that line. The OL was terrible at the time of the draft and is now.
Many a talented young QB has had their career short-circuited behind a bad line and suffered long-term for it. Eli is a vet and unlike a rookie, will usually recognize the coverage and try to audible to something useful.
But, what I think a lot of the "draft a QB, any QB" group miss is that if Eli gets hurt or gets so beat up that he calls it a career, that has no long term impact on the franchise. It would just be the end of a borderline HOF QB's career.
On the other hand, if a rookie QB takes 60-70 sacks and ends up gun-shy the rest of his career, you have set the franchise back years trying to find another QB while rebuilding the OL.
The Giants have one building block in Hernandez. They MIGHT have one in Halapio. Solder will at least be functional for 2 years. The rest of the OL probably gets addressed this off-season in FA and the draft.
It is only when you have a functional, league average OL that you can draft a rookie or put an inexperienced QB (Lauletta) back there.
Thus, the Giants did the correct thing- they got the star RB- one who excels in several aspects- receiving, running and blocking. He may or may not help Eli this season, but that isn't his fault. A RB is used to being hit- in fact, it is part of the job description. His career won't be hurt by teams loading 8 guys in the box and madly rushing in. In fact, he might break one or two runs a game to keep them honest and off the QB.
Put all that together, with this terrible OL and less-than-average team, and you have a top 5 pick in 2019. THAT is when you draft your QB.
When the new QB comes in, whomever he may be, he will have a rebuilt OL, a star RB, a star WR, a pretty good pass-catching TE and a decent slot WR.
I'm sorry the QB or bust group can't see the reality of this, but put down the draft guides and online hyperbole, and that is why the Giants made the right move in the draft.
He traded next years 3rd rounder for Beal who had a known shoulder issue and is out for the year.
The GM's job is to build a team. A strong team. Hopefully trying to get the best out of today while having the team continually strong in the future.
Those two moves should start to chip away at the overused narrative of "win now", but instead they are used as examples of bad moves? I don't get it.When the Cowboys drafted Jaylin Smith, people gushed over the future potential, and I'm pretty sure they don't look at things as a rebuild. Teams don't. They look at things as a fluid construction of the team.
Winnable? With their season on the line at home? My ass. Houston might shut the NYG out.
I just explained to you why your opinion is a mistake. Look above.
Watson is going to have a field day with Will Fuller and DeAndre Hopkins next week.
Over/under for sacks by JJ Watt...3.5
And if that’s the case and the organization were to decide to move on from Eli in the meantime, I would rather take a chance on a veteran stop gap than draft a QB high next year
I agree 100% and have been trying to get this point across for years now. This 'win now' approach by ownership has crippled the franchise for 6 years and at this point will take at least 3 more years to recover from, assuming they buy into a full rebuild.
I believe ownership is too involved in the on-field decision-making process. I think one reason Reese was retained for longer than he should have been was bc he willingly took the heat for many personal decisions that were pushed by ownership. I'm afraid Gettleman was hired under a similar premise.
Agree 100%... Gotta give DG another offseason to rebuild the roster
Pugh with Patrick Omameh
Darkwa with Jonathan Stewart
Rodgers-Cromartie with BW Webb
Andrew Adams with Curtis Riley
Made Nate Solder the highest paid OT, he's been average, at best and Ereck Flowers is still starting.
Want to question the decision to stick with Eli? Fine. But citing trading a 4th round pick for Ogletree as a bad decision doesn’t make sense.
He also traded over the hill JPP and his bloated contract for the pick that turned into BJ Hill.
I’d say those moves show Gettleman hasn’t lost his fastball.
Let’s see what the OL looks like on opening day 2019. It was always a 2 year rebuild.
But lets also understand that the entire line is basically a new unit. All 5 starters are either new players or have switched positions or both. Omameh was playing LG last year, Flowers LT, Halapio was a back up OG, not a starting Center. Hernandez is a rookie and Solder is the best of the bunch.
Add to that a new offense with new terminology and you are getting what we are seeing. Add to the fact that skill players are lining up in the wrong spot then the play gets in late and Eli doesn't have enough time to change protections.
These problems have little to do with DG. He needed to hire a new coach, revamp the roster and specifically the O Line. It will take time to jell.
Wow.
His moves suggest he didn’t even believe that about the roster
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a huge mistake.
I just explained to you why your opinion is a mistake. Look above.
No, because the QB would not have had to start this season. Also if the QB had been Darnold or Allen, they would have been far more mobile than Manning. The line stinks, but Manning can’t move.
Winnable game? Giants are gettibg seven and I think that is generous. Texas should be favored by ten.
After last night, I have zero confidence the Giants can go on the road and beat anyone.
Maybe Rutgers.
But lets also understand that the entire line is basically a new unit. All 5 starters are either new players or have switched positions or both. Omameh was playing LG last year, Flowers LT, Halapio was a back up OG, not a starting Center. Hernandez is a rookie and Solder is the best of the bunch.
Add to that a new offense with new terminology and you are getting what we are seeing. Add to the fact that skill players are lining up in the wrong spot then the play gets in late and Eli doesn't have enough time to change protections.
These problems have little to do with DG. He needed to hire a new coach, revamp the roster and specifically the O Line. It will take time to jell.
Excuses, they are pros and must play. Also, mental errors are one thing, but they get whipped up front on power runs too. Just physically dominated. This has been going on for years and shows no signs of stopping.
Tucker Fredrickson might have been worse and others
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and moaning after 2 games. There's a winnable game in Houston on Sunday. I'm fairly certain Shurmur and Gettleman are concerned about that.
Winnable? With their season on the line at home? My ass. Houston might shut the NYG out.
And you know they’re going to play this game as they’re super bowl because I believe they are on a 8 game losing streak ..... watch out
At Houston - Watt, Merciless, Clowney...makes Dallas look tame
New Orleans
At Carolina
Eagles - With Wenz
At Atlanta
Redskins
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I see no long term plan.
Let me reach here sean. You wanted Darnold. Am I even close to being right? 😎
Barkley is fun to watch and a no doubt a helluva talent. But if we are going to stumble through a 7-9 season, it is very hard to watch this with a 37 year old QB in the twilight of his career.
It would be much more tolerable if we had a rookie QB going through growing pains. The moves DG made put pressure on to win this year.