How long until we sit Eli?

he's the only NFL QB on the roster this year.

1. I don't think the Giants expected to be this bad. If so, maybe they would have made a different decision regarding Webb, but I think they already know that he's a lost cause. Webb was so far from an NFL QB.

2. I think the Giants are in too deep and will continue with Eli for a few more weeks at least. If we are 0-6 or 1-7, I think it happens.

1.) Eli is done
2.) Webb sucks
Hate to admit it - but the truth hurts.

In comment 14081013 Keith said:

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If we are 0-6 or 1-7, I think it happens.

...if they bench him, what happens?

Eli needs to go to the bench.

That can be week 10 or Week 7, but 7 losses is my number

In comment 14081007 arniefez said:

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he's the only NFL QB on the roster this year.

unfortunately I think this is the case.

Would love to see Laulettea get some PT if the season continues like this but I doubt that happens.

In comment 14081020 Josh in the City said:

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In comment 14081013 Keith said: Quote: If we are 0-6 or 1-7, I think it happens. ...if they bench him, what happens?

They throw in Kyle Lauletta and see what he has for the remainder of the season. If (when) he fails, they take a QB early in 2019

That’s an embarassing thing to say. McAdoo was and is a complete clown.

In comment 14081013 Keith said:

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1. I don't think the Giants expected to be this bad. If so, maybe they would have made a different decision regarding Webb, but I think they already know that he's a lost cause. Webb was so far from an NFL QB. 2. I think the Giants are in too deep and will continue with Eli for a few more weeks at least. If we are 0-6 or 1-7, I think it happens.

If we go 0-4 it is time to think about KL ... BUT then you risk the chance of ruining him as well ... Thinking bug picture you let Eli take the beating ... get another top 5 pick and go from there ...

to what end? What possible good can come from starting Alex Tanney?

And if not Tanney, then Lauletta? Whose last pass that counted was thrown against the likes of William and Mary

???

Talk about a good way to give a young QB permanent David Carr syndrome - something that Eli is already suffering from (understandably so).

In comment 14081007 arniefez said:

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he's the only NFL QB on the roster this year.

with what I saw last night he might end up getting hurt rather soon

If Lauletta stinks up the joint worse than Eli, then what do you do? Go back to Eli? It can't be done.

Eli will only sit of he gets hurt, and Eli would NEVER let Eli get hurt...it's actually part of his problem, the way he plays

wasn't and still isn't an assclown.
He totally is. He handled the entire situation completely wrong.
BUT - it still doesn't change the fact that he was right about Eli and Webb.
What about Eli's game tells you he was wrong?
What about Webb makes you think he can play?

In comment 14081033 I Love Clams Casino said:

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If Lauletta stinks up the joint worse than Eli, then what do you do? Go back to Eli? It can't be done. Eli will only sit of he gets hurt, and Eli would NEVER let Eli get hurt...it's actually part of his problem, the way he plays

I guess you missed the 1 yard scamper last night

sit at all this season. We might see Lauletta in garbage time in week 17. MAYBE... I fully expect the Giants to be 1-7 or 2-6 at week 8. Won't matter though. After what happened last season, even if the coaching staff WANTED to bench Eli, they won't.

Neither Gettleman or Shurmur would have got the job if they questioned his ability

1)Spare a Giant great further embarrasment-very real consideration by the way

2)ensure a top 5 pick

3)see what this player has

#1 is very real-they want to respect manning, do not let him end his tenure on a terrible squad getting nailed in the head repeatedly

if the team is 0-6 or 1-8 or something of the sort. Which is coming, btw.

think if the team is 0-7, 1-8, or something similar, they will switch to Lauletta. They will need some film of Lauletta in real games before heading into the offseason, presumably with a very high pick. They won't make the same mistake they made with Webb. But if they do so, Eli is likely done with the Giants. The irony is that the decision may not be theirs, because Eli may well be pummeled to the point where he ends up on IR, or at least having to miss a few games. And if we're out of contention, there is no way they would play Tanney instead of Lauletta.

In comment 14081018 Dnew15 said:

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1.) Eli is done 2.) Webb sucks Hate to admit it - but the truth hurts.

Fuck McAdoo. He was Rodgers' coffee guy and didn't know his ass from his elbow. If he ever gets another job in the NFL, it will be as a position coach getting coffee for someone who doesn't need his coaching "abilities."

there will be no rescue operation by the fans this time..........so dont get this line of thinking.

We still got a game tonight, but here we are in Week 2 discussing when Eli is going to hit the bench.

I hate this organization right now. This is embarrassing.

In comment 14081042 ron mexico said:

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In comment 14081033 I Love Clams Casino said: Quote: If Lauletta stinks up the joint worse than Eli, then what do you do? Go back to Eli? It can't be done. Eli will only sit of he gets hurt, and Eli would NEVER let Eli get hurt...it's actually part of his problem, the way he plays I guess you missed the 1 yard scamper last night

2 of 'em actually...saw them....doesn't really help

off the Jets practice squad? At least he knows the offensive system.

last year, I doubt there will be as much vitrol thrown Shumur and Gettleman’s way.

In comment 14081061 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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We still got a game tonight, but here we are in Week 2 discussing when Eli is going to hit the bench. I hate this organization right now. This is embarrassing.

Amazing that we are at this point, it's like the off-season never happened and we are continuing the 3-13 skid, pathetic.

He can run around and maybe be successful behind this mess of an offensive line...buy some time...throw on the run....

and if you don't happen to like Kapernicke, you can watch him try to play behind this OL and take the beating Eli takes.

continues like this, Eli may retire at half time of the next game.

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The other guy is the spot starter. If we get to the point where the season is lost, you play the developmental guy to see what you have so you can draft accordingly. Just like last year....oh wait.

..and Tanney just isn't better than Eli.

I don't think Eli sits this year unless he gets hurt to be quite honest.

If the record is bad, but the OL seems to come around then maybe...but I don't really see it even then.

We've gotta wait to see how the entire 2018 season goes.

...are completely incompatible. Eli's the last QB that should be behind that OL.

in DGs philosophy. The OL is at least a 2 year rebuild. Looking at Omameh's contract, there isn't a large allocation of resources in the future. Omameh might be part of the future, but he was a building block in the short term. Flowers will be replaced next year either via the draft or FA. Depending on the progress of Halapio/Greco will determine whether a center is drafted to develop/start or whether a FA is brought in to start.

In the meantime, DG saw competent QB play in the Eagles game and this past offseason was used to bolster his team building philosophy. With an improving OL over the course of the season and an actual running game, Eli will be evaluated at the end of the season. If the evaluation supports the idea that Eli has years left and the evaluation isn't compromised by mitigating factors such as entire WR corp injured like last season or a raging dumpster fire of an OL where Eli is running for his life, then Eli will either finish out his contract or even an extension.

Dumpster fires like last night will have no bearing on Eli's evaluation. DG is smarter than that. So for those that are in the camp of finding Eli's replacement, you should be rooting for all the surrounding components to do their job so that if a decline is evident in Eli's skillset, it is evidently clear with no excuses what needs to be done this offseason to transition from Eli. But be careful, because if everyone is doing their job (no excuses) and Eli demonstrates his competency, it very well might lead to an extension.

later tomorrow, and simply ask his permission if its okay to start him in games until they think they want a change and then pull him.

That way Eli is not embarrassed...

He wasn't totally off base concerning Eli, Webb etc.
He was very high on Mahomes also.

The Giants have nobody to put out there. Alex Tanney is, well, Alex Tanney, and Lauletta is way too green.

Barring an injury to Eli, he's there this year, for the duration.

off the Jet's practice squad and then when he becomes the greatest QB ever to play the game the Jet's announcers during the pre season games can say how they had him and we plucked him off their practice squad.

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half a season, anyway, to see if the OL can start to gel as a unit. If this lasts past midseason, put Lauletta in.

this year. Going to be terrible watching him get hit all the time. He'll tough it out too.

is terrible. anyone think Barkley is slow because he was getting hit on every play before getting out of the backfield. Think about that when you say Eli can not move

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In comment 14081068 Josh in the City said:

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off the Jets practice squad? At least he knows the offensive system.

Um, no. I can't imagine how "amped up" Webb would be to start an actual game that counts.

Eli has the job unless he gets hurt. There is literally no point to bench him for Tanney. That's a rehash of the Geno Smith strategy and I'm sure Shurmur would love to ask McAdoo when he's serving him a Big Mac how that worked out.

So we are back to Lauletta in the place of Davis Webb. Lauletta was a developmental pick. Unless he shows a ton in practice and understanding in the film room, I don't think he's seeing the field this year. He was given plenty of reps in the Patriots pre-season finale and we saw some good and lots bad.

At the end of the day, Mara made clear the moment he will consider switching off Eli, if/when the Giants are eliminated from post season contention. It's week 2. We are a very very long way from the Giants benching Eli and I'd be shocked if it happens this year unless we see an 0-7 or 0-8 thing.

In comment 14081157 Mr. Bungle said:

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In comment 14081068 Josh in the City said: Quote: off the Jets practice squad? At least he knows the offensive system. Um, no. I can't imagine how "amped up" Webb would be to start an actual game that counts.

Could it be any fucking worse than Tanney?

In comment 14081104 Jimmy Googs said:

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later tomorrow, and simply ask his permission if its okay to start him in games until they think they want a change and then pull him. That way Eli is not embarrassed...

Pretty sure that’s sarcasm. But didn’t MacAdoo try that last year?

He is going to need to deal with Lauletta playing in garbage time late in the year if the horrendous play (by the entire team, not just Eli) continues.

Barring a dramatic turnaround -- We are going nowhere. If we are way out of contention, we need to see what we have in Lauletta. Eli needs to accept that...

Is not getting benched, the backlash from the fan base last year is exactly why the giants are in their current state, which is to say no present and a very bleak long term outlook. Sad to say, but Mcadoo was right.

we already know what we have in Lauletta.....and of course, he is much better than those other 5 we passed on...

He certainly has declined in terms of pocket awareness and seems spooked by the trash protection, but his arm strength still seems there. I've felt all year that if he gets time to let plays develop you can win with him and I hold the same opinion now.

In comment 14081078 GiantBlue said:

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He can run around and maybe be successful behind this mess of an offensive line...buy some time...throw on the run.... and if you don't happen to like Kapernicke, you can watch him try to play behind this OL and take the beating Eli takes.

He can't run an NFL offense. You want him making protection calls and making hot reads?