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David Carr

moaltch : 9/17/2018 12:45 pm
was a somewhat mobile qb coming out of college, but when the Texans o-line got him sacked 76 times his rookie year, he was never the same guy. I wouldn't consider putting a young qb behind the Giants' line right now.
I wouldn't consider putting  
Doomster : 9/17/2018 12:47 pm : link
a 37 year qb behind this line either....

Oh.....
Agreed  
RobCarpenter : 9/17/2018 12:47 pm : link
I'd redshirt Lauletta this year and give him an offseason and camp to compete. Assuming that Eli's play continues to decline this season and the Giants decide it's time to move on from Eli, that is.

Rushing QBs into starting roles doesn't do anyone any good.
He was on Dan this AM  
mattlawson : 9/17/2018 12:48 pm : link
5 years of playing behind a shit line will make anyone look like carr
agreed  
UESBLUE : 9/17/2018 12:48 pm : link
i thought Carr was going to be a major NFL QB for yrs coming out of college
RE: Agreed  
superspynyg : 9/17/2018 12:55 pm : link
In comment 14081267 RobCarpenter said:
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I'd redshirt Lauletta this year and give him an offseason and camp to compete. Assuming that Eli's play continues to decline this season and the Giants decide it's time to move on from Eli, that is.

Rushing QBs into starting roles doesn't do anyone any good.


We have to see what he can do at the end of the season. I believe the oline will get better...not much..but better.

One of the GiMts mistKes last season was NOT putting Webb in to see what he can do. Instead we went into the offseason thinking that Webb could be the answer. He was not. We might have gone Qb at 2.

If we do have another top 5 tehen we would be prime position to get the best Qb in the draft (if there is one). We know that Clev, AZ, and. Buffalo will not take a Qb so our chances if there is a guy to grab one where we draft or trade up for one will be good.
The trouble with that is that football is a team game  
NYRiese : 9/17/2018 1:09 pm : link
Plug a hole here spring a leak there.
Problem is the Giants have several holes.
David Carr was not an NFL QB  
pjcas18 : 9/17/2018 1:22 pm : link
Randall Cunningham was sacked 72 times in his first year as a starter, he didn't turtle and become a career backup QB.

Lauletta is not an NFL QB either. At least not yet, so that's more why I wouldn't start him behind this line, but blaming the sacks on Carr is convenient.

I'm not going to pretend I know this is true or not, but from what I've read David Carr held on to the ball a ridiculously long amount of time contributing to a lot of those sacks.
RE: RE: Agreed  
RobCarpenter : 9/17/2018 2:13 pm : link
In comment 14081304 superspynyg said:
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In comment 14081267 RobCarpenter said:


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I'd redshirt Lauletta this year and give him an offseason and camp to compete. Assuming that Eli's play continues to decline this season and the Giants decide it's time to move on from Eli, that is.

Rushing QBs into starting roles doesn't do anyone any good.



We have to see what he can do at the end of the season. I believe the oline will get better...not much..but better.

One of the GiMts mistKes last season was NOT putting Webb in to see what he can do. Instead we went into the offseason thinking that Webb could be the answer. He was not. We might have gone Qb at 2.

If we do have another top 5 tehen we would be prime position to get the best Qb in the draft (if there is one). We know that Clev, AZ, and. Buffalo will not take a Qb so our chances if there is a guy to grab one where we draft or trade up for one will be good.


I know this isn't a popular opinion but the front office and coaches simply didn't value any of the QBs as much as they valued Barkley. Playing Webb had nothing to do with that decision if Barkley was available at #2.

In any event I'm hopeful that an OT is the BPA when they pick next year in the first round. Because that is by far the biggest weakness on this team and they will need a RT.
RE: David Carr was not an NFL QB  
GeofromNJ : 9/17/2018 6:01 pm : link
In comment 14081390 pjcas18 said:
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I'm not going to pretend I know this is true or not, but from what I've read David Carr held on to the ball a ridiculously long amount of time contributing to a lot of those sacks.

I noticed this when he played for the Giants. He seemed to always wait for the receiver to come open and then fire the ball as opposed to throwing a pass in advance of the receiver's break. This limitation of his, coupled with his tendency to pull down the ball and take off when he didn't see the receiver come open contributed to the high number of sacks and QB tackles
Carr was a mess from the get go  
Dave in PA : 9/17/2018 6:03 pm : link
He was a sidearm passer and the Texans tried to turn his motion over the top. Just really lousy scouting and planning by Houston with that pick.
2002 was noted for being exceptionally light at qb  
Banks : 9/17/2018 7:45 pm : link
during the season, Carr was viewed as a possible first round pick. Harrington was considered a high to mid second pick, but as always when the season ends the QB prospects get overvalued. Neither player should have been that high and expectations were a bit much. Carr was a heck of an athlete, but he played poor competition and as mentioned, he had poor throwing mechanics. I don't think he would have been a success anywhere, but going to the texans ensured that.
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