Go on the record: is this season over?

before JAX. I admit that this now looks optimistic.

but then fall to 1-6 after that. Same record as last year after 7 games.

More of the same bullshit football.

It's still early. Some lightbulbs may go on.

I do hope Eli & Saquon survive the growing pains on the OL.

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I think best case is 7&9, worse case is 3&13, most likely 5 and 11.

6-10 originally. That was optimistic

and they have to scrap to reach six at the tail end of the season.

If it means no important December or January games...then yes it's over.

They might go 1-15

No chance at playoffs.

I thought they were a long shot to contend this year for a playoff spot. Now it looks like barring a dramatic improvement and cinderella story combined, they’ll be picking in the Top 5 of the draft.

Their schedule is tough to begin with and they don’t match up well against their own divisional opponents.

I think 4-12 or 5-11 is being optimistic even.

In comment 14081469 moespree said:

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If it means no important December or January games...then yes it's over.

I'll start settling for important OCTOBER games @ this rate.

I think it's too soon to bail on that.

One thing Collinsworth correctly pointed out last night was that the team's OL troubles were more mental than physical. At least that allows for the possibility that they can turn it around a bit before the season's over.

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I predicted 5-11 before JAX. I admit that this now looks optimistic.

so did I !!!

14-2

jokes aside...lets go one week at a time...houston is a beatable team...OL HAS to play better...
if that happens we may actually be able to score.

realistically if this team falls and has around 7 losses at mid point, they need to give lauletta a shot. i know he isnt ready, but we need to start building for the future and that includes seeing this kid in game action. whether he sruggles or not makes no difference, we will be taking an OT and QB with first two picks

the impetus is on them to fix the OL, and more broadly the offense. The last regime (Mcadoo/Reese) did a lot worse in their attempts than the previous regime (Coughlin/Gilbride). Shurmur/DG still have a chance to stabilize this season and win 8+ games. It will take an excellent coaching effort to do that, but that's what you need to win in the NFL most of the time. Either those guys are capable of fixing it or they're not.

Also can't lose sight of the defensive issues. Everyone seems confident in Betcher but I'm less confident in the potential of the defensive talent level vs. the offense. They need to find a style of defense that can consistently impact the game. Playing undisciplined and giving up dink/dunk drives without turnovers and negative plays for the offense is a recipe isn't going to cut it.

not because they are 0-2, but because they are a miserable, awful, boring team that is built to lose.

never thought making the playoffs was a possibility this season. I expected 8-8 or 9-7 but it looks like it's just last year allover again. Overmatched on O and D line with Eli fading into retirement.

OBJ and Saquon are dynamic and exciting but I don't think we see them hit their potential with Eli as QB. Statuesque QBs do not exist in 2018 with the exception of TB12. and Eli is no Brady.

The Giants are playing for the first pick in the draft.

The story line of this being a win now year has really distorted the state of the Giants. Not sure if this was a media invention or a fan one that just took legs and grew. Regardless, it was always way off target and for many created a false sense of expectations for the Giants.

THIS IS YEAR 1 OF AT LEAST A 2 YEAR REBUILD.

I know, some BBI posters advocate their is no such thing as a rebuilding the NFL and that it is always "Win Now". What a bunch of horse hockey pucks that thinking amounts to.

The previous front office created such a talent void, that a 2 year reload / rebuild is absolutely essential. You could not correct all of the broken pieces on 1 year.

Once again, the OL is the teams Achilles' heel and makes all other positions on offense look putrid. Some on BBI still don't get just how much the OL impacts the QB, RB, WRs and TEs and all offensive schemes. For those of you who don't understand that, please continue to rant on that Eli is the blame. Some ignorance cannot be corrected.

Back to the original question. 8-8 is still likely, and the second half of the season will look much better than the first. No playoffs in 2018. that was never a realistic goal. However the improved play in the second half of the season will make believers out of some that the 2018 NYG could be a playoff team.

For the playoffs, look to 2019.

i expect a lot of fight. 6-10? hopefully theyre in trade-up range for the QB they like come draft time.

If they can somehow beat Houston on the road I’ll feel ok again but if not it’s definitely over.

However, I didn't think they were a playoff team coming into the season.

If the Giants win 4 games this year I will be pleasantly surprised. And I don't think that's necessarily a disaster for the organization. It's ok. This is a process.

In comment 14081474 Sammo85 said:

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I thought they were a long shot to contend this year for a playoff spot. Now it looks like barring a dramatic improvement and cinderella story combined, they’ll be picking in the Top 5 of the draft. Their schedule is tough to begin with and they don’t match up well against their own divisional opponents. I think 4-12 or 5-11 is being optimistic even.

Every time I heard or read someone say "the Giants will never draft as high as 2 ever again" I cringed. I'm shell shocked as a fan much like Eli is as a QB so to me it was always all too fathomable to have another disaster like last year. We're well on our way.

unless Lauletta is the second coming of Tom Brady.

no way we even approach a .500 record...

I thought this had the makings of a circa .500 team. I was prepared for anywhere between 6-10 to 9-7 at absolute best neighborhood. I'm now having trouble imagining them winning even 4 games.

...then, yes, it's quite over.

In comment 14081502 Ceez2.0 said:

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In comment 14081474 Sammo85 said: Quote: I thought they were a long shot to contend this year for a playoff spot. Now it looks like barring a dramatic improvement and cinderella story combined, they’ll be picking in the Top 5 of the draft. Their schedule is tough to begin with and they don’t match up well against their own divisional opponents. I think 4-12 or 5-11 is being optimistic even. Every time I heard or read someone say "the Giants will never draft as high as 2 ever again" I cringed. I'm shell shocked as a fan much like Eli is as a QB so to me it was always all too fathomable to have another disaster like last year. We're well on our way.

Could be worse I suppose, I'm sure Browns and Bills fans won't have sympathy.

and say that this season is over. What's the worst that can happen to me? I'm wrong and we go on a tear and have a great season?! Oh shucks, now I can't be happy we are having a good season! Yea right. It would be awesome to have to come on here and say I was wrong!


But lets' be real, anyone that thinks we are a tweak here or there from being a contender is out of their mind, or probably very young.

but if they remain relatively healthy, I can see them doing better after the bye. Perhaps a 5-3 type finish?! I'm thinking, with some improvement along the Oline that they can get to 7 wins this year.

were not high to begin with. I did however hope they would at least be fun to watch on offense.

on the 3rd play of the 2nd game.

Fucking pathetic.

Blow hard for Bosa!!!!!

The Texans are not good either. And the Saints are a very strange team after a shootout loss to Tampa than a grind it out win with Cleveland, which they were very lucky to W.

I wouldn't be so quick to pencil those games in as Ls just yet...

an 8-8 season, but after last night, I think we are seeing a repeat of last season. Who knows where we will find our next W. The locker room won't be as bad, but the play on the field will be extremely ugly on offense.

In comment 14081518 The_Boss said:

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on the 3rd play of the 2nd game. Fucking pathetic. Blow hard for Bosa!!!!!

If they have the #1 pick and use it on Bosa or any non-QB I will personally drive to Met Life Stadium (from Florida) and shove my remote control right up Gettleman's ass.

Nailed it.

In comment 14081528 allstarjim said:

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In comment 14081518 The_Boss said: Quote: on the 3rd play of the 2nd game. Fucking pathetic. Blow hard for Bosa!!!!! If they have the #1 pick and use it on Bosa or any non-QB I will personally drive to Met Life Stadium (from Florida) and shove my remote control right up Gettleman's ass.

By all accounts, the QB's who will be available for the next draft are bums. Don't panic and reach for one. The time to take a QB was 5 months ago. That train left the station.

5-11
4-12

but the starting schedule certainly didn't do us any favors. Going against the league's best D at home and then two consecutive road games in Texas... that's pretty tough sledding, and not the best way for a new regime to help their team build confidence. And with the ridiculous home game/road game alternation we've got going on, it just seems unlikely we'll be able to build and sustain momentum.

I don't have much faith that we'll be able to entirely avoid the sort of overall melt down that occurred last year. Hopefully the silver lining is that the front office know what to do NEXT year, but I am not confident.

to be basically assured a victory...yeah its over.

In comment 14081528 allstarjim said:

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In comment 14081518 The_Boss said: Quote: on the 3rd play of the 2nd game. Fucking pathetic. Blow hard for Bosa!!!!! If they have the #1 pick and use it on Bosa or any non-QB I will personally drive to Met Life Stadium (from Florida) and shove my remote control right up Gettleman's ass.

Unfortunately, there is no qb worth a top 5 pick in this years class at this juncture. At someone posted in another thread, the best qb in the 2018 class would have been the 5th best in 2018 Which is why all of us change folks were screaming for a qb last year at 2. The play in 2018 is to trade back and accumulate assets to make a run at a qb in 2020 or 2021 which should be much better classes.

Also to go on record, not only is this season lost, I fear 2019 may be as well.

predicting 6-10. Doubling last years win total.

The Giants have dodged a huge bullet -- they are thankfully bad enough to not end the season 7-9 and on the outside of the top 10 in the draft.

If there is a QB who they want they should be in striking distance to be in-place or move up to grab him.

My biggest fear was clawing out an average season, thankfully that doesn't look likely.

It does suck Manning is going to have to get his ass kicked weekly on his way, he surely deserves better.

In comment 14081521 bw in dc said:

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The Texans are not good either. And the Saints are a very strange team after a shootout loss to Tampa than a grind it out win with Cleveland, which they were very lucky to W. I wouldn't be so quick to pencil those games in as Ls just yet...

Those teams weren't playing the giants. The cowboys exposed this O-line for the sham that they are. In this copycat NFL the giants will see heavy blitzing from now on till they prove they can handle it. Which it doesn't look like they can! So 3-13 or possibly worse.

In comment 14081528 allstarjim said:

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In comment 14081518 The_Boss said: Quote: on the 3rd play of the 2nd game. Fucking pathetic. Blow hard for Bosa!!!!! If they have the #1 pick and use it on Bosa or any non-QB I will personally drive to Met Life Stadium (from Florida) and shove my remote control right up Gettleman's ass.

that any season we go into with Eli as our quarterback is a lost season. I've seen absolutely nothing that would make me think differently, and a whole lot that makes me think that statement was 100% accurate (unfortunately).

In comment 14081535 The_Boss said:

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In comment 14081528 allstarjim said: Quote: In comment 14081518 The_Boss said: Quote: on the 3rd play of the 2nd game. Fucking pathetic. Blow hard for Bosa!!!!! If they have the #1 pick and use it on Bosa or any non-QB I will personally drive to Met Life Stadium (from Florida) and shove my remote control right up Gettleman's ass. By all accounts, the QB's who will be available for the next draft are bums. Don't panic and reach for one. The time to take a QB was 5 months ago. That train left the station.

Agreed, the play here is to trade back in 2019 and accumulate picks for a run at one of the qbs in 2020 or 2021. It also would probably wouldn’t hurt to me terrible again in 2019.

I predicted 7-9. I think 4-12 is more like it. Terrible o-line, poor quarterback play, no pass rush, zero depth at cornerback. Ugly team.

Giants will be 2-2 after these next 2 games