not sure whose followed this.
Browns kicker (Gonzalez) missed 2xp's and 2 FG's in the second half yesterday and missed at least one FG in OT last week that would have won the game.
Carlson for MIN missed 2 FG's in OT, he was the first kicker taken in the 2018 draft I believe.
Dan Bailey's phone line should be blazing.
Hey, at least the Giants don't have a kicking issue. Yet.
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Browns and Vikings both have now waived their former kickers Zane Gonzalez and Daniel Carlson, per sources.
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So the Giants do have a "kicking" issue.
To me......that was a slam dunk.
Real nice bump for the Vikes.....he'll be lethal indoors.
Wasn't Bailey just cut September 1?
What do you mean teams passed on him?
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definitely worth a flier and can’t be worse but a lot of teams passed on him this offseason.
If you mean over the last two weeks then ok but he was a Cowboy all offseason.
Wasn't Bailey just cut September 1?
What do you mean teams passed on him?
Not true, Bailey turned down several teams because he was waiting for the right opportunity.
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DON'T. DRAFT. KICKERS. EVER! I don't give a shit if they're the second coming of Lou Groza.
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Maybe if you have 12 picks. But if you have 7 picks in the Draft, why waste one on a PK?
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Just do it Rds 6 or 7. Drafting a kicker in the 1st or 2nd round if you're not the corpse of Al Davis has gone out of style.
Maybe if you have 12 picks. But if you have 7 picks in the Draft, why waste one on a PK?
If you have someone who you believe will be a good kicker for the next 5 years, why not? Most 6th or 7th round draft picks are crapshoots that don't last on the roster for very long anyway.
Meanwhile, the Vikings are going to pay Bailey a pretty penny. If they had spent a 6th getting a good kicker in (not saying there was one, just if), they'd probably shave over a million if not more from their cap spend this season.
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Just do it Rds 6 or 7. Drafting a kicker in the 1st or 2nd round if you're not the corpse of Al Davis has gone out of style.
Maybe if you have 12 picks. But if you have 7 picks in the Draft, why waste one on a PK?
If you have a Gostkowski a 4th round pick is better spent on him than anyone the Giants have drafted in the 4th round in a decade. Since Barry Cofield in 2006.
Look at the draft success chart sometime.
People way overvalue draft picks. I'd use anything 5th or later on a K easy. I wouldn't use a 2nd on one. or a 1st - that's crazy.
3rd maybe, if this kicker was special in some way, but 4th or later. sure.
The only time it looks bad is when the kicker sucks, like Aguayo.
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Carlson had a brother in the NFL??
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Carlson had a brother in the NFL??
Nah, not the NFL...yet. His brother is the PK at Auburn.
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Just do it Rds 6 or 7. Drafting a kicker in the 1st or 2nd round if you're not the corpse of Al Davis has gone out of style.
Maybe if you have 12 picks. But if you have 7 picks in the Draft, why waste one on a PK?
If you have a Gostkowski a 4th round pick is better spent on him than anyone the Giants have drafted in the 4th round in a decade. Since Barry Cofield in 2006.
Look at the draft success chart sometime.
People way overvalue draft picks. I'd use anything 5th or later on a K easy. I wouldn't use a 2nd on one. or a 1st - that's crazy.
3rd maybe, if this kicker was special in some way, but 4th or later. sure.
The only time it looks bad is when the kicker sucks, like Aguayo.
Not even, PJ.
Mike Nugent was a second rounder of the Jets and only spent 3 years with the team.
Jake Elliott was a fifth rounder of the Bengals and didn't even make the 53-man roster (he's done pretty good for the Eagles though).
Harrison Butker didn't even play a game for the Panthers, who drafted him in the seventh round
Zach Hocker was a seventh rounder...never played for the team that drafted him.
Nate Freese didn't even last a year on the team that drafted him in the seventh round.
Caleb Sturgis was a fifth rounder and only lasted two seasons with the team that drafted him.
Roberto Aguayo...yep.
Zane Gonzalez...yep.
Daniel Carlson...yep
Not a lot, but the point is you should be trying to fill out your roster as the draft goes on. Take guys who have potential; guys who would've gone higher had it not been for injuries or off-the-field stuff; guys who will contribute on Special Teams and worth developing. There's no need to waste it on a PK.
what do you think the hit rate is on drafted kickers? 50%? And of course there are outliers like Nugent and Aguayo - who I said I did not support, but IMO 4th round and later the success rate on a K is greater than almost any other position. 7th round, to jcn's point is almost a no-brainer, kicker makes more sense than almost any other position, problem is the best kicker for that draft are no longer around by the 7th and my guess is only a couple - three kickers are drafted each year.
of course the impact of those other positions is greater if you hit, but most of the time you don't.
For reference again, here is a 10-year study on draft success by round and position. Success is simply defined by starting more than 50% of your games with no subjectivity placed on quality. Of course kickers can't be included based on that criteria, but it's a data point.
So, if you're telling me in the 4th round I can take a DB who has an 11% chance of becoming "successful" or a K with a 50% chance, I don't fault a team for taking a K.
Historic Success Chart
The numbers show us the following outline for finding consistent starters:
1st Round - OL (83%) LB (70%) TE (67%) DB (64%) QB (63%) WR (58%) RB (58%) DL (58%)
2nd Round - OL (70%) LB (55%) TE (50%) WR (49%) DB (46%) QB (27%) DL (26%) RB (25%)
3rd Round - OL (40%) TE (39%) LB (34%) DL (27%) WR (25%) DB (24%) QB (17%) RB (16%)
4th Round - DL (37%) TE (33%) OL (29%) LB (16%) WR(12%) DB (11%) RB (11%) QB (8%)
5th Round - TE (32%) DB (17%) WR (16%) OL (16%) DL (13%) RB (9%) LB (4%) QB (0%)
6th Round - TE (26%) OL (16%) DL (13%) WR (9%) DB (8%) RB (6%) LB (5%) QB (0%)
7th Round - DB (11%) OL (9%) QB (6%) WR (5%) DL (3%) LB (2%) RB (0%) TE (0%)