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For anyone searching for delusional optimism....

lawguy9801 : 9/17/2018 3:54 pm
First two games of 2007....as the Giants learned and adjusted to Spagnuolo's new defensive scheme, they got torched against the Cowboys and were non-competitive and got blown out at home by Green Bay.

They also looked lost for the first three quarters at Washington the following week, before the famous goal line stand turned the tide.

I bring this up not to say that this team has Super Bowl level talent - only that with a new coaching staff (as with the 07 defense under Spagnuolo), it sometimes takes a little while to adjust to a new coaching scheme.

I don't think this team is headed back for 3-13. I am optimistic (perhaps unrealistically so) that the OL will begin to play better and learn from their mistakes.

Am I delusional? Maybe. Do I even believe what I'm writing? Eh - somewhat. But if anyone here wants to cling to anything, we can start with this team's relatively recent history.

Flame away.

They had an O Line  
Young Elijah : 9/17/2018 3:55 pm : link
And a defense. And leaders that played with heart. I could probably keep going, but I wont.
Thanks lawguy  
exiled : 9/17/2018 3:55 pm : link
Post more often
The only metric you stated about being optimistic is ...  
Boy Cord : 9/17/2018 3:57 pm : link
... that they will be better than 3-13. Based on that, no, you are not delusional. If you think they are making the playoffs then yes, you are delusional.
RE: The only metric you stated about being optimistic is ...  
lawguy9801 : 9/17/2018 3:59 pm : link
In comment 14081855 Boy Cord said:
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... that they will be better than 3-13. Based on that, no, you are not delusional. If you think they are making the playoffs then yes, you are delusional.


I think I said 7-9 before the year started. Looking increasingly unlikely.
It is an insult to that  
rocco8112 : 9/17/2018 4:01 pm : link
team to compare to this group. Only thing that is the same is the uniform.
This team lacks the leadership  
Les in TO : 9/17/2018 4:12 pm : link
Of the 2007 version
That team didn't have a fatal flaw  
BillT : 9/17/2018 4:13 pm : link
This team does and it's hard to believe it's going to get better. Further, we just lost a starter.
Leadership  
Josh in the City : 9/17/2018 4:18 pm : link
the 2007 team had a ton of it and they got their teammates to buy in and work their asses off the right the ship. This team is much different. And honestly, I no longer believe in Eli. And not so much b/c I think he doesn't have the talent any longer. It's because I think his mental makeup is fractured and he non longer keeps his eyes down the field long enough to make the necessary plays. That, and the oline doesn't have enough talent to fix their problems. This team is toast.
I also do not think the team is as bad as they looked last night...  
EricJ : 9/17/2018 4:28 pm : link
but this is not a playoff team. They will land somewhere between 4-8 wins.
Not comparing the two teams  
lawguy9801 : 9/17/2018 4:29 pm : link
as I clearly said above...

But I'm curious to see what we were saying on BBI after the Packers game in 2007.

It looks like BBI's archives go back to 2007, but I can't quickly search for those threads.
4 out of the last 5 years  
arniefez : 9/17/2018 5:32 pm : link
the Giants started 0-2 and didn't make the playoffs. This year will be 5 out 6. NFL percentage for teams starting out 0-2 and making the playoffs is under 12%. But 2007!
I too am hoping  
mrvax : 9/17/2018 5:39 pm : link
the new Oline comes together fast. We should see improvements each week. If not, we get to pick real low again!
It's too soon to give up on the team entirely  
81_Great_Dane : 9/17/2018 5:44 pm : link
but we have seen too many years of lousy football to be very optimistic.

I lived through the 70s, it's not as bad as that yet, but: I keep saying that every year, and then the Giants have another lousy year. Put enough lousy years together in a row and yeah, it's like the 70s.

Gettleman was supposed to be the new George Young, and Shurmur the new Ray Perkins. We'll see. All that presumes that John Mara is the new Wellington Mara, in a good way. (Having grown up in that era, I never had the warm feelings most Giants had for Wellington Mara, much as fans now in their teens and 20s are likely to lack warm feelings for John Mara and Steve Tisch.)
RE: It's too soon to give up on the team entirely  
lawguy9801 : 9/17/2018 6:12 pm : link
In comment 14082034 81_Great_Dane said:
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but we have seen too many years of lousy football to be very optimistic.

I lived through the 70s, it's not as bad as that yet, but: I keep saying that every year, and then the Giants have another lousy year. Put enough lousy years together in a row and yeah, it's like the 70s.

Gettleman was supposed to be the new George Young, and Shurmur the new Ray Perkins. We'll see. All that presumes that John Mara is the new Wellington Mara, in a good way. (Having grown up in that era, I never had the warm feelings most Giants had for Wellington Mara, much as fans now in their teens and 20s are likely to lack warm feelings for John Mara and Steve Tisch.)


Wellington Mara was inept at football operations, at one point was drafting players based on their writeups in Street and Smith's draft preview, and generally ran the franchise into the ground, ultimately necessitating the NFL imposing George Young as GM to avoid further embarrassment to one of the NFL's flagship franchises.
It’s really hard  
darren in pdx : 9/17/2018 6:22 pm : link
to not be discouragedand expect yet another 0-6 start..I’d be amazed and happy if the offense can turn it around but it hasn’t happened in seven years..
RE: That team didn't have a fatal flaw  
BestFeature : 9/17/2018 8:40 pm : link
In comment 14081887 BillT said:
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This team does and it's hard to believe it's going to get better. Further, we just lost a starter.


To be fair the defense looked like a fatal floor that year.
RE: RE: That team didn't have a fatal flaw  
BestFeature : 9/17/2018 8:42 pm : link
In comment 14082348 BestFeature said:
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In comment 14081887 BillT said:


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This team does and it's hard to believe it's going to get better. Further, we just lost a starter.



To be fair the defense looked like a fatal floor that year.


Flaw.
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