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adamg : 9/17/2018 4:23 pm
That stuck out to me as particularly wrong headed yet also emblematic of many views expresses here on BBI in the last 24 hours:

In comment 14079113 BestFeature said:
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But Eli quit on this team plain and simple.


I couldn't disagree more with the statement. But I think those who do agree with it constitute a vocal minority on the board.

I think B hit the nail on the head last night immediately after the game even with just the title of his thread: The Offensive Line. That is the source of all the ruin this team is facing right now. I don't think the season is over yet, but it depends solely on that group of guys coming together, which in the face of the Halapio injury seems more and more unlikely.

I'm glad to hear the OL is a strong class coming up in the next draft, because I think we'll need to take at least two of them in the first few rounds.

That said, this narrative of blaming Eli just seems to miss the real problem with the team, which is that we're built from the outside in and not vice versa. Gettlemen seems to be changing that perspective in the front office, but that alone is not going to overcome our deficiencies over the course of one night or over one offseason. It's not the end of the world for Giants football. We're just a work in progress.
It's funny..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/17/2018 4:26 pm : link
because you see shit like that posted regularly.

And ironically, as the game is wrapping up, there was a shot of Eli and Collinsworth says, "There's a guy who hasn't given up. He's still out there fighting".

But it goes back to the bizarre phenomenon that on a Giants site, so many have outward disgust for Eli.

Best Feature just being one of many morons.
It's getting hard to watch  
Joey in VA : 9/17/2018 4:29 pm : link
Honestly. He's gotten chucked around plenty and gotten up to fight and win, the issue now is that he doesn't have the players to win and he's not the same QB who can will his team to win. He doesn't have the OL he needs, but he's ducking for cover more regularly than he ever has. It's not quitting, it's wanting to be able to live to fight another play only to see a jail break again.
One thing Eli never,  
section125 : 9/17/2018 4:30 pm : link
ever does is quit. We may not like the dumpoffs, short passes or other issues, but he should never be accused of quitting.
Statements like that would encourage me to just ignore Best Feature  
MadPlaid : 9/17/2018 4:31 pm : link
If that is what he thinks, then he isn't thinking at all.
you  
Les in TO : 9/17/2018 4:32 pm : link
can certainly argue he has happy feet, PTSD or the yips, but to say he has quit is completely unfair. he is not jay cutler or vontae davis.
I've never seen Eli Manning  
McNally's_Nuts : 9/17/2018 4:34 pm : link
quit. That's a dumb statement.

Dude is out there getting his behind whipped and he's still trying to win the game.
In the heat of the moment people say things  
Mike from Ohio : 9/17/2018 4:36 pm : link
out of emotions, not reason. Nobody sensible can question that Eli is out there busting his ass to get this team a win. His skills may be on the decline, but his effort and professionalism are not.

It's best to just avoid the emotional comments, and that is 95% of the game threads which is why I never open them.
Good thread.  
jogo1 : 9/17/2018 4:36 pm : link
There's a segment of BBI posters who actively appear to be rooting against the guy. A vocal minority, but it's there.
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christian : 9/17/2018 4:39 pm : link
Those comments are fully intended to get the rise out of a certain type of poster, and they always, always do.
RE: ...  
adamg : 9/17/2018 4:41 pm : link
In comment 14081943 christian said:
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Those comments are fully intended to get the rise out of a certain type of poster, and they always, always do.
I don't think it's just trolling.
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AcesUp : 9/17/2018 4:41 pm : link
That's the furthest from the truth.
RE: It's getting hard to watch  
mrvax : 9/17/2018 4:46 pm : link
In comment 14081924 Joey in VA said:
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Honestly. He's gotten chucked around plenty and gotten up to fight and win, the issue now is that he doesn't have the players to win and he's not the same QB who can will his team to win. He doesn't have the OL he needs, but he's ducking for cover more regularly than he ever has. It's not quitting, it's wanting to be able to live to fight another play only to see a jail break again.


Exactly. This causes Eli to rush and lose some accuracy and maybe even miss an open receiver that he didn't have time enough to scan for.
RE: Statements like that would encourage me to just ignore Best Feature  
mrvax : 9/17/2018 4:47 pm : link
In comment 14081928 MadPlaid said:
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If that is what he thinks, then he isn't thinking at all.


He is a really dimwitted poster.
RE: It's getting hard to watch  
nyblue56 : 9/17/2018 5:08 pm : link
In comment 14081924 Joey in VA said:
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Honestly. He's gotten chucked around plenty and gotten up to fight and win, the issue now is that he doesn't have the players to win and he's not the same QB who can will his team to win. He doesn't have the OL he needs, but he's ducking for cover more regularly than he ever has. It's not quitting, it's wanting to be able to live to fight another play only to see a jail break again.


But isn't that what has been drilled in him for years now since 2013. Live to fight another day. take the sack. avoid the turnover at all cost. stop trying to do too much. we cant have it both ways. he is either a gunslinger or not.
Eli played scared plain and simple  
BestFeature : 9/17/2018 5:14 pm : link
Maybe he didn't quit and just doesn't have it anymore. In the end is doesn't matter. I mean, do you want to me to harp on the O-line which is the worst in football? Sure, it's absolutely brutal. But the BEST we could have hoped for this year for the O-line was average. And that's what I was hoping for. But we were supposed to hope for more from Eli. And game 1, my hopes were up, he played pretty well. But honestly last game showed he was done. He barely attempted passes beyond 5 yards, even when he had time, which admittedly was rare. I think I posted that the last drive when he had 0 urgency and was still dinking and dunking it down 3 scores. Mind you our chances of winning at that point were probably 1 in a million. Whatever you want to call it, he was awful. I flat out don't care why he looked how he looked. And the O-line excuse while valid only goes so far. Maybe it's unfair and he just absolutely doesn't have it anymore and is just a bad player now. In the end the results are the same.
And yes I realize it's hard to throw bombs against a prevent defense  
BestFeature : 9/17/2018 5:18 pm : link
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RE: It's getting hard to watch  
djm : 9/17/2018 5:20 pm : link
In comment 14081924 Joey in VA said:
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Honestly. He's gotten chucked around plenty and gotten up to fight and win, the issue now is that he doesn't have the players to win and he's not the same QB who can will his team to win. He doesn't have the OL he needs, but he's ducking for cover more regularly than he ever has. It's not quitting, it's wanting to be able to live to fight another play only to see a jail break again.


I want to swap out any and all comments I made today and replace them with this. Maybe add a few more fucks and shits and we’re good.
RE: Good thread.  
Jim in Tampa : 9/17/2018 5:45 pm : link
In comment 14081940 jogo1 said:
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There's a segment of BBI posters who actively appear to be rooting against the guy. A vocal minority, but it's there.

Sorry, but this is B.S. Plain and simple.

Many of us have been football fans and Giants fans for quite some time.

Just because posters are making comments that Eli hasn't played well for a while, is not playing well now, that he may be done, that the Giants should have taken a QB to replace this now 37 yr old QB when they had the chance, etc. does not mean we are "rooting against the guy".

I (and others like me) are rooting every bit as hard for Eli and the Giants as all the BBIers who think that any criticism of Eli means that you are an "Eli hater" or a "Jets troll".

Many here simply refuse to see what type of player Eli is in 2018 and want to blame everything on the OL.

Also, when will people learn not to re-post comments made on game threads? Sure there's some stupid shit said every game, but most of those are "heat of the game" posts that don't need to be highlighted.
RE: RE: Good thread.  
jcn56 : 9/17/2018 5:51 pm : link
In comment 14082035 Jim in Tampa said:
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In comment 14081940 jogo1 said:


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There's a segment of BBI posters who actively appear to be rooting against the guy. A vocal minority, but it's there.


Sorry, but this is B.S. Plain and simple.

Many of us have been football fans and Giants fans for quite some time.

Just because posters are making comments that Eli hasn't played well for a while, is not playing well now, that he may be done, that the Giants should have taken a QB to replace this now 37 yr old QB when they had the chance, etc. does not mean we are "rooting against the guy".

I (and others like me) are rooting every bit as hard for Eli and the Giants as all the BBIers who think that any criticism of Eli means that you are an "Eli hater" or a "Jets troll".

Many here simply refuse to see what type of player Eli is in 2018 and want to blame everything on the OL.

Also, when will people learn not to re-post comments made on game threads? Sure there's some stupid shit said every game, but most of those are "heat of the game" posts that don't need to be highlighted.


+1 - you can count on one hand the dimwits who think he's scared or has quit. And then there's everyone else, including those that think he might be done but can still respect all he's done for the franchise as well as the fact that he's still trying really damn hard to win.
For the record I was defending Eli and the team against the incessant  
BestFeature : 9/17/2018 6:04 pm : link
negativity on this board all week because Eli looked to be back to being an above average quarterback. I wanted to draft Darnold but defended the Barkley pick mostly because I thought Barkley was that good but also because I thought Eli still had it. I spent a whole day arguing with people at a party that Eli in his career is a good QB and now he's still a decent QB. People called me an Eli homer. So don't tell me that I want the guy to fail.
Eli  
Reale01 : 9/17/2018 6:08 pm : link
I think Eli is watching the line a bit. He is missing open players that he could have hit by waiting a split second. You can see it in the film. I can't say I blame him or think that anyone else would do better.
The argument  
mattyblue : 9/17/2018 6:51 pm : link
For and against Eli has gotten ridiculous. People have opinions and that is totally fine, but the truth isn’t that he is awesome and has not declined at all, nor is it that he’s feeble and afraid and completely incapable. The truth is somewhere in the middle. As a whole this team looks bad.
I thought that guy who posted that Eli quit was just trolling.  
81_Great_Dane : 9/17/2018 8:33 pm : link
I figure, ignore him.

As for Eli, I love the guy, but I don't see how any pocket passer can thrive on this team as currently constituted.
It's pretty simple  
B in ALB : 9/17/2018 9:43 pm : link
Ignore Best Feature when discussing football on BBI. He has little to no clue what's going on out there based on his posts.

Eli has never quit on this team. It's such an absurd notion that it's not even worth pondering for even a few seconds.
RE: It's getting hard to watch  
Matt M. : 9/17/2018 11:02 pm : link
In comment 14081924 Joey in VA said:
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Honestly. He's gotten chucked around plenty and gotten up to fight and win, the issue now is that he doesn't have the players to win and he's not the same QB who can will his team to win. He doesn't have the OL he needs, but he's ducking for cover more regularly than he ever has. It's not quitting, it's wanting to be able to live to fight another play only to see a jail break again.
Well said. I still don't think he's lost anything and I don't even agree with most that he is gun shy. I just see jailbreak after jailbreak, as you say, getting into the backfield seemingly with the snap. That is disrupting virtually every running play and putting most passing plays at risk. It isn't a play here or there; it is most of the offensive plays.
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