“No player in NFL history had ever caught 14 or more passes while gaining less than 90 yards until Barkley on Sunday night.”
Barkley had 11 for 28 rushing the ball.
Yes he had 18 for 106 yards in week 1 but we also know that 68 of it came one amazing but singular play. Meaning the other 17 carries went for 36 yards.
I know everyone is in a rush to find any sign of hope. But 11 for 28. 14 for 80 in receiving. 17 for 36 yds and 2 for 22 in receiving is just almost making plays. Its really been one play. The rest of his touches are a combined 44 touches for a total of 166 yards for a 3.77 yards per touch including receiving yards.
he certainly looks the part so far and he is almost making plays. But its really been just 1 so far.
So lets not put a gold jacket on him just yet and see how the Giants can better utilize him.
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If the play resulted from the blitzing, it would actually result in one less defender to deal with because they would be by the QB who just dumped off the ball.
But it's looking like he was the wrong pick for this particular football team.
We still don't block well. We have a 37 year old QB who isn't going to win games on his shoulders anymore.
I really thought things would be different this year. I feel stupid for buying in. Last night was just completely fucking demoralizing.
But it's looking like he was the wrong pick for this particular football team.
We still don't block well. We have a 37 year old QB who isn't going to win games on his shoulders anymore.
I really thought things would be different this year. I feel stupid for buying in. Last night was just completely fucking demoralizing.
Et Tu Arca? You’ve made up your mind with 14 left to play, my friend?
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He's really, really good. He constantly makes the first guy miss and gets pluses on plays that are guaranteed minuses for many other RB's. He's doing all he can right now.
But it's looking like he was the wrong pick for this particular football team.
We still don't block well. We have a 37 year old QB who isn't going to win games on his shoulders anymore.
I really thought things would be different this year. I feel stupid for buying in. Last night was just completely fucking demoralizing.
Et Tu Arca? You’ve made up your mind with 14 left to play, my friend?
I'd like to be wrong - and I will continue to watch and hope that I will be.
But I'm not sure how any of us can expect things to change much. We can't score points. How many more weapons do we need? How many more offensive linemen do we need to draft or sign?
If our offense is built around the idea that it will take perfect protection and execution just to get a positive play on the board, I think it's going to be a really long, shitty season.
I think the FO miscalculated - or at least it looks that way so far.
This looks like the same crappy football team we've been watching for a while now.
But I'm not sure how any of us can expect things to change much. We can't score points. How many more weapons do we need? How many more offensive linemen do we need to draft or sign?
If our offense is built around the idea that it will take perfect protection and execution just to get a positive play on the board, I think it's going to be a really long, shitty season.
I think the question is how many years of adding weapons does it take to realize that none of it matters without at least average line play? Can we at least have a middle ground that lies somewhere between "perfect protection" and surrendering 6 sacks a game before we pile on our QB?
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But I'm not sure how any of us can expect things to change much. We can't score points. How many more weapons do we need? How many more offensive linemen do we need to draft or sign?
If our offense is built around the idea that it will take perfect protection and execution just to get a positive play on the board, I think it's going to be a really long, shitty season.
I think the question is how many years of adding weapons does it take to realize that none of it matters without at least average line play? Can we at least have a middle ground that lies somewhere between "perfect protection" and surrendering 6 sacks a game before we pile on our QB?
The problem is assuming all 6 sacks are the fault of the OL and absolving Eli of all blame for any sack taken.
"Average" OL play may not even be good enough at this point.
How much more do you want the Giants to invest in the OL and how many more years are you prepared to pay Eli while they do it?
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But I'm not sure how any of us can expect things to change much. We can't score points. How many more weapons do we need? How many more offensive linemen do we need to draft or sign?
If our offense is built around the idea that it will take perfect protection and execution just to get a positive play on the board, I think it's going to be a really long, shitty season.
I think the question is how many years of adding weapons does it take to realize that none of it matters without at least average line play? Can we at least have a middle ground that lies somewhere between "perfect protection" and surrendering 6 sacks a game before we pile on our QB?
My prediction of strongly vying for the playoffs has ALWAYS been predicated on being reasonably healthy and AT LEAST an average or better OL play. Obviously, if that doesn’t improve, we are in trouble
I said in another thread that I am almost always a "wait and see" guy - but I think I've waited and seen enough.
Last night was a really important temperature check for this team I thought. And it couldn't have gone much worse.
All we heard all week was how prepared they were for "Jerry World" and "Dallas Week"
If Janoris Jenkins can't cover Tavon Austin, he should stop chirping.
Our DB's shouldn't be challenging ANY QB to beat them right now. We haven't proven jack shit.
I'm tired of watching the same movie over and over again hoping for a different ending.
Could we get back into the mix here and turn it around? Sure. And I am hoping we do.
But last night took just about all of the wind out of my sails.
Dallas isn't a good team right now and we were just completely beaten by them on every level from execution to coaching.
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and certainly the issues you raise have not been lost on me. It’s just you’re one of the terrific posters that rarely “knee-jerks,” especially after just a few games. Disappointed and pissed? Sure. I’m far from happy. Just has never been your m.o. Just a little (a lot?) surprised, that’s all.. In the scheme of things, no biggie.
I said in another thread that I am almost always a "wait and see" guy - but I think I've waited and seen enough.
Last night was a really important temperature check for this team I thought. And it couldn't have gone much worse.
All we heard all week was how prepared they were for "Jerry World" and "Dallas Week"
If Janoris Jenkins can't cover Tavon Austin, he should stop chirping.
Our DB's shouldn't be challenging ANY QB to beat them right now. We haven't proven jack shit.
I'm tired of watching the same movie over and over again hoping for a different ending.
Could we get back into the mix here and turn it around? Sure. And I am hoping we do.
But last night took just about all of the wind out of my sails.
Dallas isn't a good team right now and we were just completely beaten by them on every level from execution to coaching.
Ok, you and my buddy jcn (who feels like you) are entitled to your views..
Just a few games? The Giants are 3-16 in their last 19. Since 2013 they're 33-49. Eli Manning's record as a starter at the end of 2011 was 69-50. Now it's 111-105.
What's it going to take? At what point is it OK to criticize what we're seeing and to not give them the benefit of the doubt? It's the question I've been asking all offseason:
How is any Giant fan not furious?
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and certainly the issues you raise have not been lost on me. It’s just you’re one of the terrific posters that rarely “knee-jerks,” especially after just a few games. Disappointed and pissed? Sure. I’m far from happy. Just has never been your m.o. Just a little (a lot?) surprised, that’s all.. In the scheme of things, no biggie.
Just a few games? The Giants are 3-16 in their last 19. Since 2013 they're 33-49. Eli Manning's record as a starter at the end of 2011 was 69-50. Now it's 111-105.
What's it going to take? At what point is it OK to criticize what we're seeing and to not give them the benefit of the doubt? It's the question I've been asking all offseason:
How is any Giant fan not furious?
Because, those past records are immaterial given the new regime who are ONLY 2 games in, even if the 0-2 start and present performance appears to be or is similar. I will give the new OL guys a chance to mesh and our coaches a chance to turn things around, before I opine definitively. Regardless, past performance, even recent ones, has zero to do with the present set-up, especially after just 2 games. I will be much more patient that that. But, that’s just me
But that the fact that the offense is bad as ever despite his play just shows that RB do not have the impact they once had.
If you have a shaky QB like Bortles or Dak building around a great RB and great run blocking OL makes sense. Also Gurley with young Goff makes sense.
But guys like Brady and Rogers don't need a great RB. They just need a guy who is decent.
An offense that cannot score points and cannot win football games without a top 5 defense like we saw in 2016.
There's only one guy on the offense that has been here since things started going downhill, and while it's not going to be fair for him to take all of the blame here - I think it's pretty clear that we're chasing a pot of gold that isn't on the other side anymore.
The Giants have been in catch up mode for years now. Covering up bad drafting with overpaid players. Continuing to "go for it" in years where they simply don't have the roster to do it.
The best execs are ahead of the curve and don't spend all of their offseason's trying to keep pace with everyone else.
It feels like we're still trying to construct a team to compete in the NFL from 10 years ago.
A lot has changed in a short time.
I don't get that line of thinking. I don't know why people try to rationalize down his accomplishments. If you take away Barry Sanders' long TD runs, he'd probably have a similar YPC. That's what makes these guys who they are. And I can guarantee that if this o-line can provide any run blocking at all, Barkley would be much better than 17 for 36.
It's akin to those who try to diminish Eli and say "without the two SB wins he's an average QB". Well guess what, he has those two so he's one of the best post-season QBs in history.
I just don't understand people who try to diminish the best players on their own team.
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I don't get that line of thinking. I don't know why people try to rationalize down his accomplishments. If you take away Barry Sanders' long TD runs, he'd probably have a similar YPC. That's what makes these guys who they are. And I can guarantee that if this o-line can provide any run blocking at all, Barkley would be much better than 17 for 36.
It's akin to those who try to diminish Eli and say "without the two SB wins he's an average QB". Well guess what, he has those two so he's one of the best post-season QBs in history.
I just don't understand people who try to diminish the best players on their own team.
If Saquon Barkley consistently makes 68 yard TD runs then I wont.
But so far this is just one play out of 45. The other 44 touches have been less than stellar.
Look, everyone’s pissed and rightfully so. But I don’t think going after the team’s best players is the best tact. You know, the guys who have the unique ability to turn nothing into something at the drop of a hat.
What I’m more flabbergasted about is the coaching, specifically the o-line. First last week with Flowers thinking Campbell is a speed rusher, then based on Solder’s comments after last nights game. Don’t these guys get scouting reports? Hopefully it’s a matter of “learning a new system” but something needs to turn quickly because this is embarrassing.
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and certainly the issues you raise have not been lost on me. It’s just you’re one of the terrific posters that rarely “knee-jerks,” especially after just a few games. Disappointed and pissed? Sure. I’m far from happy. Just has never been your m.o. Just a little (a lot?) surprised, that’s all.. In the scheme of things, no biggie.
Just a few games? The Giants are 3-16 in their last 19. Since 2013 they're 33-49. Eli Manning's record as a starter at the end of 2011 was 69-50. Now it's 111-105.
What's it going to take? At what point is it OK to criticize what we're seeing and to not give them the benefit of the doubt? It's the question I've been asking all offseason:
How is any Giant fan not furious?
I guess I’m not furious because I saw this coming as far back as the spring. The entire operation is at fault: from the owners right down to the guys who suck the farts out of the seats at MetLife. From the sham GM search, to the uninspiring hiring of Shurmer, going all in on Eli, etc., it just feels like all we are doing is spinning our wheels among the “traditional” league bottom feeders like Cleveland, Arizona, Detroit, and the Bills. I hate to say this but I will never believe this team has turned a corner until they move on from Eli.
According to BBI, that's all Eli's fault. He needs to magically summon better protections.